A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely replace?
Nothing on the package about it.

"Toller" wrote in message
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A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely replace?
Nothing on the package about it.


How much did those hoses cost?

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Toller" wrote in message
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A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely
replace? Nothing on the package about it.


How much did those hoses cost?
$22 for a pair of 6' at HD.

On Feb 20, 4:07 pm, "Toller" wrote:
A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely replace?
Nothing on the package about it.

The PO of my house shut off the water to the washer whenever it was
not in use; he was very proud of the fact that it still had the same
rubber hoses that were there when he moved in 18 years earlier.

I replaced them anyway; but perhaps there's something to his method.

nate

The PO of my house shut off the water to the washer whenever it was
not in use; he was very proud of the fact that it still had the same
rubber hoses that were there when he moved in 18 years earlier.

I also do this, but only on the on the hot water line. Yes, they are
ball valves. I wouldn't do this if they were gate valves.

"Toller" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Toller" wrote in message
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A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely
replace? Nothing on the package about it.


How much did those hoses cost?


$22 for a pair of 6' at HD.


OK. There are 1825 days in 5 years. $22 / 1825 days = $0.0120547 per day.
That tells me they should be replaced every five years. Or, if they're going
to fail sooner, try and replace them the day before that happens.

Seriously...how can anyone answer this question? The crap's made in China,
right?

Toller wrote:
A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a
burst washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the
ones that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely
replace? Nothing on the package about it.

Yea the steel ones are just rubber inside. They are likely good for
some time longer like maybe 10 years. Even some of the non-steel ones are
looking good today.

I like the shutoffs that keep the water off except for a given time
after the button is pressed giving you enough time for a load of laundry.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

I like the shutoffs that keep the water off except for a given time
after the button is pressed giving you enough time for a load of laundry.

Unfortunately my shut off valves are under the laundry tub, at the back.
Impractical to get back there to push a button.

A couple years ago I got a box with dual valves for it, but without ripping
everything out there is no way to install it. One of these years...

Seriously...how can anyone answer this question? The crap's made in China,
right?
What do you suggest, replacing them when they fail?

Without sending sample out for chemical analysis there is no way to know
when your oil needs to be replaced. But you probably do it regularly. Same
idea.

On Feb 20, 3:07 pm, "Toller" wrote:
A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely replace?
Nothing on the package about it.


When I got my last house I added a set of shut off valves for the
washer. I suppose they are a ball valve , ? they just turn about 180
degrees. They are mounted just above the washer and clearly visible.

I had to relocate the electrical outlet the washer uses but that wasnt
much of a problem.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:30:52 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Toller" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Toller" wrote in message
...
A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely
replace? Nothing on the package about it.


How much did those hoses cost?


$22 for a pair of 6' at HD.


OK. There are 1825 days in 5 years. $22 / 1825 days = $0.0120547 per day.
That tells me they should be replaced every five years. Or, if they're going
to fail sooner, try and replace them the day before that happens.

Seriously...how can anyone answer this question? The crap's made in China,
right?


One day, at an office at a major seaport in California (where Chinese
imports are being inspected): One old, tired inspector looks into a
container and sees stuff he doesn't like (maybe he wished he could
afford the things). He writes "contents really are pathetic" on the
container. Other employees see this and thinks that's what they should
write on containers of Chinese goods. They are busy so they usually
just write the initials, CRAP.

Myths are often more "deluded imagination" than "great truth". Not
always.

"Harry" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:30:52 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Toller" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Toller" wrote in message
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A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a
burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the
ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely
replace? Nothing on the package about it.


How much did those hoses cost?


$22 for a pair of 6' at HD.


OK. There are 1825 days in 5 years. $22 / 1825 days = $0.0120547 per day.
That tells me they should be replaced every five years. Or, if they're
going
to fail sooner, try and replace them the day before that happens.

Seriously...how can anyone answer this question? The crap's made in China,
right?


One day, at an office at a major seaport in California (where Chinese
imports are being inspected): One old, tired inspector looks into a
container and sees stuff he doesn't like (maybe he wished he could
afford the things). He writes "contents really are pathetic" on the
container. Other employees see this and thinks that's what they should
write on containers of Chinese goods. They are busy so they usually
just write the initials, CRAP.

Myths are often more "deluded imagination" than "great truth". Not
always.


I just know what I find in packages. Worse, what you find packaged under a
certain brand today will probably be different next month or next year,
depending on which factory is chosen to make the stuff.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:07:29 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely replace?
Nothing on the package about it.

As I see it, the rubber hoses swell before they split/burst and the
steel braid keeps the hose from swelling. So the entire layer of
rubber would have to disintegrate in some spot before they would leak.

But I have no idea about your bigger question.

I'm going to go look for the ones that shut off in case of a leak,
especially if they are only 22 dollars. That's 44 for a pair or no?

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:55:58 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

I like the shutoffs that keep the water off except for a given time
after the button is pressed giving you enough time for a load of laundry.

Unfortunately my shut off valves are under the laundry tub, at the back.
Impractical to get back there to push a button.

A couple years ago I got a box with dual valves for it, but without ripping
everything out there is no way to install it. One of these years...


You're supposed to be a member of a tool-using species.
Use a stick. If a regular stick won't work, design
a special stick.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
OK. There are 1825 days in 5 years. $22 / 1825 days = $0.0120547 per day.
That tells me they should be replaced every five years. Or, if they're going
to fail sooner, try and replace them the day before that happens.

Seriously...how can anyone answer this question? The crap's made in China,
right?


I don't know. I got a good 15 years out of my last set of washing machine hoses
and they were made of rubber. I replaced them as the OP did about a year ago
with stainless steel ones from Lowes. The old ones never failed... I just
started to get nervous after reading a thread similar to this one.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

wrote:
The PO of my house shut off the water to the washer whenever it was
not in use; he was very proud of the fact that it still had the same
rubber hoses that were there when he moved in 18 years earlier.


I also do this, but only on the on the hot water line. Yes, they are
ball valves. I wouldn't do this if they were gate valves.


they're actually spigots, but I'm tempted to replace them with ball
valves since I have to do some neatening up in that area anyway (one of
the water lines is hanging away from the wall at some funky angle, and
it was apparently installed that way...)

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

"Toller" wrote in message
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Seriously...how can anyone answer this question? The crap's made in
China, right?
What do you suggest, replacing them when they fail?

Without sending sample out for chemical analysis there is no way to know
when your oil needs to be replaced. But you probably do it regularly.
Same idea.


Exactly, change them regularly, but even better have a shut off valve for
the washer supply and turn it off when not in use.

/snip


I just know what I find in packages. Worse, what you find packaged under a
certain brand today will probably be different next month or next year,
depending on which factory is chosen to make the stuff.


Now that is indeed true, and one of the problems with product consistency,
especially with any 'store' branded products!

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
wrote:
The PO of my house shut off the water to the washer whenever it was
not in use; he was very proud of the fact that it still had the same
rubber hoses that were there when he moved in 18 years earlier.


I also do this, but only on the on the hot water line. Yes, they are
ball valves. I wouldn't do this if they were gate valves.


they're actually spigots, but I'm tempted to replace them with ball valves
since I have to do some neatening up in that area anyway (one of the water
lines is hanging away from the wall at some funky angle, and it was
apparently installed that way...)

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

There are single valve shut offs made for just this purpose. Go for the
good one too, worth every extra penny IMHO. Why someone hasn't designed an
electronic one that 'communicates' with the washer to turn the valves on and
off when needed is beyond me......

"jackson" wrote in message
. ..
/snip


I just know what I find in packages. Worse, what you find packaged under
a
certain brand today will probably be different next month or next year,
depending on which factory is chosen to make the stuff.


Now that is indeed true, and one of the problems with product consistency,
especially with any 'store' branded products!


Right. I have 3 packages of theoretically identical wood screws from Home
Depot. Same package size, same UPC code, but purchased over a two year
period. There's a clear difference in the quality between the 3 packages.

Contrast: When I need stainless steel hardware that's really mint, I go to
West Marine and pay a hefty premium. No packaging, so I have idea where the
stuff comes from. But, it's consistent from one visit to the next, and it's
well made.

"Joseph Meehan" made the astonishing revealation that:

Toller wrote:
A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a
burst washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the
ones that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely
replace? Nothing on the package about it.

Yea the steel ones are just rubber inside. They are likely good for
some time longer like maybe 10 years. Even some of the non-steel ones are
looking good today.

I like the shutoffs that keep the water off except for a given time
after the button is pressed giving you enough time for a load of
laundry. --
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit


I've never seen those, if you could post a product name or link I would be
most appreciative, and perhaps others as well. TIA.

"mm" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:07:29 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely replace?
Nothing on the package about it.

As I see it, the rubber hoses swell before they split/burst and the
steel braid keeps the hose from swelling. So the entire layer of
rubber would have to disintegrate in some spot before they would leak.

Yes, that is how it seems to me; and that ought to take 25 years I should
think.

But I have no idea about your bigger question.

I'm going to go look for the ones that shut off in case of a leak,
especially if they are only 22 dollars. That's 44 for a pair or no?

No, $22 for the pair. They only shut off on big leaks, since they can't
tell small leaks from normal usage. But hey, it is the big leaks that are
most dangerous. 6' was only a dollar more.
I was tempted by a shutoff valve connected to water supply that shuts the
water off if sensors by the washing machine, water heater, etc. see water.
But there is not enough room between my main shut off and the T to the
washer for it, and I didn't want to deal with moving the main shutoff.
Someday.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:21:34 GMT, "Toller" wrote:


"mm" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:07:29 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a burst
washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the ones
that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely replace?
Nothing on the package about it.

As I see it, the rubber hoses swell before they split/burst and the
steel braid keeps the hose from swelling. So the entire layer of
rubber would have to disintegrate in some spot before they would leak.

Yes, that is how it seems to me; and that ought to take 25 years I should
think.

But I have no idea about your bigger question.

I'm going to go look for the ones that shut off in case of a leak,
especially if they are only 22 dollars. That's 44 for a pair or no?

No, $22 for the pair. They only shut off on big leaks, since they can't
tell small leaks from normal usage. But hey, it is the big leaks that are
most dangerous. 6' was only a dollar more.

Well I've had water in my basment from about 10 sources, a total of
maybe 15 times. On mos**t occasions, the only things damaged were the
boxes I kept things in. Usually they are totally replaceable unless
they are the original box that something came in, with a picture on
the outside. I like to use those, and don't like it when they are
ruined.

**On one or two occasions it made it to the finished room next to the
laundry room, where it loosened the asphalt? tile. I could put that
down, but part of it was broken apparently, and when the mastic
failed, they came apart. Maybe 5 tiles. I hope to retrieve matching
tiles from under the loft bed, where boxes are piled, and replace
those tiles with plain brown or something.

I put a piece of 1x2 in the doorway floor to prevent future floods
into that room.

None of the leaks have been big leaks, so I guess I will look at what
you mention below.

I could probably make one myself, with just the electric valves, but
that is probably the biggest part of the price anyhow. We'll see.

I was tempted by a shutoff valve connected to water supply that shuts the
water off if sensors by the washing machine, water heater, etc. see water.
But there is not enough room between my main shut off and the T to the
washer for it, and I didn't want to deal with moving the main shutoff.
Someday.

Toller wrote:
I like the shutoffs that keep the water off except for a given
time after the button is pressed giving you enough time for a load
of laundry.
Unfortunately my shut off valves are under the laundry tub, at the
back. Impractical to get back there to push a button.

A couple years ago I got a box with dual valves for it, but without
ripping everything out there is no way to install it. One of these
years...

It can be remote mounted. Take a look at:

http://www.watts.com/pro/divisions/w...ntelliflow.asp http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/vide...186666,00.html Neither is exactly what I have seen, but maybe it is no longeravailable. However you may be able to use the information above.--Joseph Meehan Dia 's Muire duit

"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...
Toller wrote:
I like the shutoffs that keep the water off except for a given
time after the button is pressed giving you enough time for a load
of laundry.
Unfortunately my shut off valves are under the laundry tub, at the
back. Impractical to get back there to push a button.

A couple years ago I got a box with dual valves for it, but without
ripping everything out there is no way to install it. One of these
years...

It can be remote mounted. Take a look at:

http://www.watts.com/pro/divisions/w...ntelliflow.asp
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/vide...186666,00.html
Neither is exactly what I have seen, but maybe it is no longeravailable.
However you may be able to use the information above.--Joseph Meehan Dia
's Muire duit


That's pretty nice! I would have to replumb a bit to get the pipes to fit,
but it would be minor. Thanks.

"Toller" wrote in
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"mm" wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:07:29 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

A neighbor woke up to an inch of water on their first floor from a
burst washing machine hose. Got me to worrying.

I replaced mine with braided steel hoses; even splurged and got the
ones that shut off in case of a leak.

I know the rubber ones are supposed to be replace every 5 years, or
something like that; do the steel ones every have to be routinely
replace? Nothing on the package about it.

As I see it, the rubber hoses swell before they split/burst and the
steel braid keeps the hose from swelling. So the entire layer of
rubber would have to disintegrate in some spot before they would
leak.

Yes, that is how it seems to me; and that ought to take 25 years I
should think.

But I have no idea about your bigger question.

I'm going to go look for the ones that shut off in case of a leak,
especially if they are only 22 dollars. That's 44 for a pair or no?

No, $22 for the pair. They only shut off on big leaks, since they
can't tell small leaks from normal usage. But hey, it is the big
leaks that are most dangerous. 6' was only a dollar more.
I was tempted by a shutoff valve connected to water supply that shuts
the water off if sensors by the washing machine, water heater, etc.
see water. But there is not enough room between my main shut off and
the T to the washer for it, and I didn't want to deal with moving the
main shutoff. Someday.




Well considering they only pay those Chinese workers like 3 cents a day,
for $22 you should be able to get one of 'em to sit there and watch it
for about 2 years for any leak,,,

I turn it off, but I'm actually more concerned with the hose to
washing machine joint than the hose itself. The washing machine ends
are cheap plastic threads.