There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!

In article NnPae.1125342$Xk.378180@pd7tw3no,
"Noozer" wrote:
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.
Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.
Thanks!

A similar analogy would be the Germans looking for a gas that killed
only Jews :-)

Harry

"Noozer" wrote in message
news:NnPae.1125342$Xk.378180@pd7tw3no...
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find
a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in.
I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!


Grass is actually one of the harder things to kill.

All the solutions that I have used that would kill grass would kill all
plants that it contacted.

Spectracide grass and weed killer has a wide range of applications for one
purchase. You just vary the formula.


Colbyt

"Harry Everhart" wrote in message
...
In article NnPae.1125342$Xk.378180@pd7tw3no,
"Noozer" wrote:
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find
a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in.
I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.
Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering
what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.
Thanks!

A similar analogy would be the Germans looking for a gas that killed
only Jews :-)

So, Ornamec 170 is just an illusion?

http://www.wildseedfarms.com/ornamec_specs.htm

"Harry Everhart" wrote in message
...
In article NnPae.1125342$Xk.378180@pd7tw3no,
"Noozer" wrote:
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find
a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in.
I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.
Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering
what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.
Thanks!

A similar analogy would be the Germans looking for a gas that killed
only Jews :-)

Damn that is a stupid thing to say. Is it supposed to be funny?

Ortho has "grass be gone" that works, but not very well. Plan on repeated
applications.
It requires (or at least it did last time I used it) rubber gloves, not
plastic. Must be pretty nasty stuff.

"toller" wrote:
A similar analogy would be the Germans looking for a gas that killed
only Jews :-)

Damn that is a stupid thing to say. Is it supposed to be funny?

To me it was a funny analogy. I do not think that either item exists -
plants are plants. I am sorry that offended you. I kid the Germans :-)

I'm reminded of a friend of mine. His wife sent him to the store, and get a
jug of Bug B Gone. Dilute it and spray it on every plant in the garden.

Couple days later, they thought to read the label again. Account of all
their plants in the lawn were dying. You guessed it, grass be gone.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"toller" wrote in message
news Ortho has "grass be gone" that works, but not very well. Plan on repeated
applications.
It requires (or at least it did last time I used it) rubber gloves, not
plastic. Must be pretty nasty stuff.

Harry Everhart wrote in
:

"toller" wrote:
A similar analogy would be the Germans looking for a gas that killed
only Jews :-)

Damn that is a stupid thing to say. Is it supposed to be funny?

To me it was a funny analogy.

Damned nazi that you are!


I do not think that either item exists -
plants are plants. I am sorry that offended you. I kid the Germans :-)

Noozer wrote:
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!



How large are the areas you want to kill? If not huge, can mix some
Roundup and use a brush rather than a sprayer. I have done that to spot
treat tough weeds.

Harry Everhart wrote:
....


...plants are plants. ...

You obviously don't know much about plant biololgy/pathology either...

Stormin Mormon wrote:

I'm reminded of a friend of mine. His wife sent him to the store, and get a
jug of Bug B Gone. Dilute it and spray it on every plant in the garden.

Couple days later, they thought to read the label again. Account of all
their plants in the lawn were dying. You guessed it, grass be gone.
....

More likely "Weed-B-Gone", not "Grass...". The former is 2-4,D which is
broadleaf, the Grass-B-Gone is generally not deadly for
broadleaf--otherwise, there'd be no point whatever for it.

Norminn wrote:

Noozer wrote:
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!



How large are the areas you want to kill? If not huge, can mix some
Roundup and use a brush rather than a sprayer. I have done that to spot
treat tough weeds.

Roundup will kill everything which is not what was requested.

To OP--there was a thread here a just a couple weeks ago where I posted
a link to what are the available grass-specific herbicides. Depending
on state you may or may not be able to get most (any) of them other than
the Grass-B-Gone varieties.

A Google for the previous thread will lead you to that or a google on
grass-specific herbicides will lead you to all you can want to know.

Unless the area is small and the things you're trying to save are really
valuable, however, it may be simpler to just use Roundup and kill all
vegetation and then start over w/ the desired cover crop(s).

Noozer wrote:
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!


Nope. You can selectively kill broad leaf plants
and not kill grass. There is nothing that will do
the reverse. Anything that kills grass will kill
broad leaf plants even quicker and at reduced
concentrations.

toller wrote:
"Harry Everhart" wrote in message
...

In article NnPae.1125342$Xk.378180@pd7tw3no,
"Noozer" wrote:

There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find
a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in.
I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.
Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering
what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.
Thanks!

A similar analogy would be the Germans looking for a gas that killed
only Jews :-)


Damn that is a stupid thing to say. Is it supposed to be funny?



Maybe insensitive to some, as the op is probably
thinking that selectively killing the grass can't
be done and assuming correctly that there is so
little difference between one human and another
that no gas could selective attack only one group.

To my knowledge there is little chance of killing
the grass and not damaging large groups of broad
leaf plants. I think the Ornamec is for
established bed and is used as pre emergent
(kills or prevents the germination of seeds)to
prevent new grass growth. This is non selective,
but if the broad leaf plants are already
growing it wouldn't affect them, just as it
wouldn't affect any grass this is already growing
there.

Noozer wrote:
"Harry Everhart" wrote in message
...

In article NnPae.1125342$Xk.378180@pd7tw3no,
"Noozer" wrote:

There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find
a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in.
I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.
Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering
what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.
Thanks!

A similar analogy would be the Germans looking for a gas that killed
only Jews :-)


So, Ornamec 170 is just an illusion?

http://www.wildseedfarms.com/ornamec_specs.htm


Suggest that you look very carefully at the ad.
Ornamec is apparently a pre-emergent (kills or
prevents germination of new seeds) and is used to
maintain grass free beds not selectively kill the
established grass.

"George E. Cawthon" wrote:

Noozer wrote:
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!


Nope. You can selectively kill broad leaf plants
and not kill grass. There is nothing that will do
the reverse. Anything that kills grass will kill
broad leaf plants even quicker and at reduced
concentrations.

That also is not true...I posted a response to the same question w/ some
of the alternatives a couple of weeks ago. Most, however, are
restricted and not available except for those w/ applicator licenses,
such as ag applicators.

Grass-B-Gone kills Bermuda growing in a bed of Gazanias selectively.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:27:24 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
wrote:

Noozer wrote:
There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!


Nope. You can selectively kill broad leaf plants
and not kill grass. There is nothing that will do
the reverse. Anything that kills grass will kill
broad leaf plants even quicker and at reduced
concentrations.

Duane Bozarth wrote:
Norminn wrote:

Noozer wrote:

There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!



How large are the areas you want to kill? If not huge, can mix some
Roundup and use a brush rather than a sprayer. I have done that to spot
treat tough weeds.


Roundup will kill everything which is not what was requested.

Last I checked, answers are allowed that are not specific to the vague
request. The OP suggested he had only isolated quantities of weed to
get rid of, so why spray the whole darn lawn? When a weed is tough, and
only small amounts, brushing on Roundup works very well.


To OP--there was a thread here a just a couple weeks ago where I posted
a link to what are the available grass-specific herbicides. Depending

Enlighten us - look in your "sent" folder )

on state you may or may not be able to get most (any) of them other than
the Grass-B-Gone varieties.

A Google for the previous thread will lead you to that or a google on
grass-specific herbicides will lead you to all you can want to know.

Unless the area is small and the things you're trying to save are really
valuable, however, it may be simpler to just use Roundup and kill all
vegetation and then start over w/ the desired cover crop(s).

Good old gasoline kills grass. Spray only the grass. If you have a
well, be careful about spraying unknown herbicides around the yard.
that goes for gasoline, too, of course. Have you tried burning with a
propane torch? Tiger torch is best. Sheild the good plants with a piece
of tin.

JohnK

Duane Bozarth wrote:
"George E. Cawthon" wrote:

Noozer wrote:

There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!



Nope. You can selectively kill broad leaf plants
and not kill grass. There is nothing that will do
the reverse. Anything that kills grass will kill
broad leaf plants even quicker and at reduced
concentrations.


That also is not true...I posted a response to the same question w/ some
of the alternatives a couple of weeks ago. Most, however, are
restricted and not available except for those w/ applicator licenses,
such as ag applicators.
\
Could be since new things come on the market all
the time and I don't know everything. Couldn't
find your response.

For the average person and general mix of crass
and other plants, I believe the the response is
still "if it kills the grass it will kill or
severely damage the dicots.

Sorry, my response was a bit broad. There are
exceptions, e.g., dicots with heavily waxed leaves
that limit absorption of sprays. But the
exceptions are rather narrow.

nospambob wrote:
Grass-B-Gone kills Bermuda growing in a bed of Gazanias selectively.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:27:24 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
wrote:


Noozer wrote:

There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in. I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!



Nope. You can selectively kill broad leaf plants
and not kill grass. There is nothing that will do
the reverse. Anything that kills grass will kill
broad leaf plants even quicker and at reduced
concentrations.

"George E. Cawthon" wrote:
....
That also is not true...I posted a response to the same question w/ some
of the alternatives a couple of weeks ago. Most, however, are
restricted and not available except for those w/ applicator licenses,
such as ag applicators.
\
Could be since new things come on the market all
the time and I don't know everything. Couldn't
find your response.

For the average person and general mix of crass
and other plants, I believe the the response is
still "if it kills the grass it will kill or
severely damage the dicots.

Well, some of them aren't very new...I'd estimate maybe 20 years or
so.

Ortho "Grass-B-Gone" is probably the most prevalent in home centers,
etc.

A google will find much...

"George E. Cawthon" wrote:

Duane Bozarth wrote:
"George E. Cawthon" wrote:

....
Nope. You can selectively kill broad leaf plants
and not kill grass. There is nothing that will do
the reverse. Anything that kills grass will kill
broad leaf plants even quicker and at reduced
concentrations.


That also is not true...I posted a response to the same question w/ some
of the alternatives a couple of weeks ago. Most, however, are
restricted and not available except for those w/ applicator licenses,
such as ag applicators.
\
Could be since new things come on the market all
the time and I don't know everything. Couldn't
find your response.

For the average person and general mix of crass
and other plants, I believe the the response is
still "if it kills the grass it will kill or
severely damage the dicots.

OK, it was longer ago than I thought...in February(!)...

Here's the nub of the previous. There is good information from most of
the land grant universities as there is lots of research on herbicides
for ag use as well as from the major manufacturers (Dow, Monsanto,
etc.). As you note, many of these aren't available to the average
person, but as noted below the Ortho "Grass-B-Gone" is and is effective
w/ some restrictions/caveats (as is any herbicide, of course).

/Previous Post--
I know of two general classes of selective grass-effective
herbicides--there may be others more recent. Ortho is one common
home-owner-available brand name that markets at least one--

....

Aryloxyphenoxy Propionates (formerly Oxyphenoxy Acid Esters
Fusilade is the most widely used for postemergence control of both
perennial and annual grass weeds, over-the-top in broadleaved crops,
especially cotton and soybeans. (I believe this is the class in Ortho
Grass-B-Gone, but I'm not absolutely positive w/o looking it up).

Others of this same type are Whip, Acclaim, Verdict, Gallant, Hoelon
and
Assure.

Cyclohexanediones -- Poast and Select/Prism.

Addendum--These latter specific brands are restricted use. Whether
there are consumer-labelled products using the particular active
ingredients I don't know.
Since I have applicator license for ag use, I tend to forget which
are/aren't generally available.

Others of this same type are Whip, Acclaim, Verdict, Gallant, Hoelon
and Assure.

Are you sure this stuff will kill all types of grass? I know for a
fact Acclaim will not. In fact it's one of the best controls for
crabgrass. Used correctly, it will kill even mature crabgrass, while
leaving tall fescue, blue grass, etc unharmed.

I think the real problem here is the OP is vague as to what he's trying
to do. It's not clear what kind of grass is invading the plant areas,
ie is it a desirable lawn grass, or some undesirable grass, etc. There
is also no info as to what the other plants he wants to save are
either.

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
...
Noozer wrote:
"Harry Everhart" wrote in message
...

In article NnPae.1125342$Xk.378180@pd7tw3no,
"Noozer" wrote:

There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to
find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in.
I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get
and
and I always miss some.
Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering
what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.
Thanks!

A similar analogy would be the Germans looking for a gas that killed
only Jews :-)


So, Ornamec 170 is just an illusion?

http://www.wildseedfarms.com/ornamec_specs.htm
Suggest that you look very carefully at the ad. Ornamec is apparently a
pre-emergent (kills or prevents germination of new seeds) and is used to
maintain grass free beds not selectively kill the established grass.


and I quote...



"Ornamec® 170 is a selective post emergence herbicide for the control of
annual and perennial grasses Ornamec® 170 does not control broadleaf weeds
or sedges (Nut grass).

Used as directed, Ornamec® 170 Grass Herbicide will eliminate unsightly,
protruding grasses from your existing wild flower project without injuring
transplants, emerging wild flower seedlings or established plants in full
bloom. (mixture ratio 8 to 10 ounces of Ornamec per gallon of water) Covers
up to 5,000 square feet.

Labeled for over-the-top application, Ornamec's active ingredient begins to
work within five days. Death of the grass is generally observed within two
to three weeks, depending on the grass species and environmental
conditions."

wrote:

Others of this same type are Whip, Acclaim, Verdict, Gallant, Hoelon
and Assure.

Are you sure this stuff will kill all types of grass? I know for a
fact Acclaim will not. In fact it's one of the best controls for
crabgrass. Used correctly, it will kill even mature crabgrass, while
leaving tall fescue, blue grass, etc unharmed.

I think the real problem here is the OP is vague as to what he's trying
to do. It's not clear what kind of grass is invading the plant areas,
ie is it a desirable lawn grass, or some undesirable grass, etc. There
is also no info as to what the other plants he wants to save are
either.

That's correct...some of these are also grass specie/type-specific.

I was only really addressing the question of selectivity between
"broadleaf" and "grasses" as being as someone here (I forget who now it
actually was) was uncertain it was even possible.

try Roundup or Finale

Duane Bozarth wrote:
wrote:

Others of this same type are Whip, Acclaim, Verdict, Gallant, Hoelon
and Assure.

Are you sure this stuff will kill all types of grass? I know for a
fact Acclaim will not. In fact it's one of the best controls for
crabgrass. Used correctly, it will kill even mature crabgrass, while
leaving tall fescue, blue grass, etc unharmed.

I think the real problem here is the OP is vague as to what he's trying
to do. It's not clear what kind of grass is invading the plant areas,
ie is it a desirable lawn grass, or some undesirable grass, etc. There
is also no info as to what the other plants he wants to save are
either.


That's correct...some of these are also grass specie/type-specific.

I was only really addressing the question of selectivity between
"broadleaf" and "grasses" as being as someone here (I forget who now it
actually was) was uncertain it was even possible.

I had a problem of grass growing in my English Ivy. Someone on this list
years ago advised me to use an over the top product called Poast. I
sprayed it around the ivy, rhodos, azaleas with no problem. Killed the
grass and had no affect on the other plants.


"Norminn" wrote in message
...


Duane Bozarth wrote:
Norminn wrote:

Noozer wrote:

There are a few areas where the grass is taking over and I'd like to
find a
way to spray out the grass without killing the other plants filling in.
I've
pretty much pulled all that I can, but some of it is difficult to get
and
and I always miss some.

Can someone suggest a spray that will kill grass only? Also wondering
what
other types of plants I should avoid spraying with this chemical.

Thanks!



How large are the areas you want to kill? If not huge, can mix some
Roundup and use a brush rather than a sprayer. I have done that to spot
treat tough weeds.


Roundup will kill everything which is not what was requested.

Last I checked, answers are allowed that are not specific to the vague
request. The OP suggested he had only isolated quantities of weed to get
rid of, so why spray the whole darn lawn? When a weed is tough, and only
small amounts, brushing on Roundup works very well.


To OP--there was a thread here a just a couple weeks ago where I posted
a link to what are the available grass-specific herbicides. Depending

Enlighten us - look in your "sent" folder )

on state you may or may not be able to get most (any) of them other than
the Grass-B-Gone varieties.

A Google for the previous thread will lead you to that or a google on
grass-specific herbicides will lead you to all you can want to know.

Unless the area is small and the things you're trying to save are really
valuable, however, it may be simpler to just use Roundup and kill all
vegetation and then start over w/ the desired cover crop(s).

AKManty wrote:

try Roundup or Finale
....

That's not the subject...those are non-selective. Please read the
thread...this is about the fourth or fifth time someone's jumped in and
totally ignored the question.