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How to repair plastic seal for liquids used in human consumption?
Apologies for being slightly OT, but you people know a lot.
I have a Hamilton Beach Brew Station Deluxe coffee machine. Great machine, but after 2 years heavy use, it has started to leak. The coffee pot is made with two pieces - bottom plate was inserted. There in lies the problem. Multiple heating and cooling cycles have cracked open this bottom seal causing the coffe to leak down inside, then out onto the counter top. What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? Doubt it, but need confirmation. How about acetone to rejoin the plastic? Anybody know the plastic used and the best way to reseal? |
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On Apr 10, 1:23*pm, Robert Macy wrote:
Apologies for being slightly OT, but you people know a lot. I have a Hamilton Beach Brew Station Deluxe coffee machine. *Great machine, but after 2 years heavy use, it has started to leak. *The coffee pot is made with two pieces - bottom plate was inserted. There in lies the problem. *Multiple heating and cooling cycles have cracked open this bottom seal causing the coffe to leak down inside, then out onto the counter top. What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? *Doubt it, but need confirmation. How about acetone to rejoin the plastic? Anybody know the plastic used and the best way to reseal? Buy a new pot on ebay or from the manufacturer. |
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How to repair plastic seal for liquids used in human consumption?
What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve
the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Silicone adhesives, as far as I know, are not particularly toxic in the first place, and I doubt a properly cured bond would leach. Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? Doubt it, but need confirmation. Superglue isn't stable. It can be weakened simply by contact with water. I'm inclined to agree with the poster who suggested buying a new pot. |
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How to repair plastic seal for liquids used in human consumption?
On Apr 11, 4:13*am, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Silicone adhesives, as far as I know, are not particularly toxic in the first place, and I doubt a properly cured bond would leach. Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? Doubt it, but need confirmation. Superglue isn't stable. It can be weakened simply by contact with water. I'm inclined to agree with the poster who suggested buying a new pot. not an option |
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How to repair plastic seal for liquids used in human consumption?
On Apr 10, 11:23*am, Robert Macy wrote:
Apologies for being slightly OT, but you people know a lot. I have a Hamilton Beach Brew Station Deluxe coffee machine. *Great machine, but after 2 years heavy use, it has started to leak. *The coffee pot is made with two pieces - bottom plate was inserted. There in lies the problem. *Multiple heating and cooling cycles have cracked open this bottom seal causing the coffe to leak down inside, then out onto the counter top. What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? This coffeemaker has a nonreplaceable 'pot' as part of its stationary assembly. The short answer: your crack has coffee residue inside it, only complete disassembly and cleaning to prep it for cementing will work. The kind of cement that works best, depends on the (unknown) formula of the original plastic. The manufacturer didn't find a reliable enough glue. Maybe RTV silicone would work; you have to ensure it wets the plastic, and assemble with no voids. There may be some tiny amount of catalyst (toxic) in the mix, but only a small amount of the 'skin' of the glue joint will be exposed to the liquid, so it'd be a microgram quantity... I'd rinse a few times before using, but not worry otherwise. Heck, copper is 'toxic' but all my piping is made of it. |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
wrote: On Apr 11, 4:13*am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Silicone adhesives, as far as I know, are not particularly toxic in the first place, and I doubt a properly cured bond would leach. Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? Doubt it, but need confirmation. Superglue isn't stable. It can be weakened simply by contact with water. I'm inclined to agree with the poster who suggested buying a new pot. not an option Short answer: GFGI Medium answer: A search of "food grade adhesive" turns up some likely candidates. This looks promising: http://www.emisupply.com/catalog/su5005-food-grade-silicone-hitemp-103oz-cartridge-p-2284.html -- Rich Webb Norfolk, VA |
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In article ,
Rich Webb wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy wrote: On Apr 11, 4:13*am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Silicone adhesives, as far as I know, are not particularly toxic in the first place, and I doubt a properly cured bond would leach. Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? Doubt it, but need confirmation. Superglue isn't stable. It can be weakened simply by contact with water. I'm inclined to agree with the poster who suggested buying a new pot. not an option Short answer: GFGI Go to a pet store and get a tube of aquarium seal. It's a silicone adhesive (which of itself is totally nontoxic), plus whatever is used for a catalyst won't harm fish, even after very long exposure in non-changing water. If it won't hurt them, it sure won't hurt you. Clean all the surfaces with something like a "green scrubber", and apply the silicone as a decent-thickness fillet. You can smooth the stuff with a finger wetted with mineral spirits (which will evaporate by the time the silicone is cured). Isaac |
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isw wrote in
]: In article , Rich Webb wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy wrote: On Apr 11, 4:13*am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Silicone adhesives, as far as I know, are not particularly toxic in the first place, and I doubt a properly cured bond would leach. Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? Doubt it, but need confirmation. ..... Go to a pet store and get a tube of aquarium seal. It's a silicone adhesive (which of itself is totally nontoxic), plus whatever is used for a catalyst won't harm fish, even after very long exposure in non-changing water. If it won't hurt them, it sure won't hurt you. Clean all the surfaces with something like a "green scrubber", and apply the silicone as a decent-thickness fillet. You can smooth the stuff with a finger wetted with mineral spirits (which will evaporate by the time the silicone is cured). Isaac In an aquarium, the sealant is not in contact with hot (near boiling) water. I would not rely on 'safe at room temperature' as an indication of 'safe at elevated temperatures' and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. -- bz 73 de N5BZ k please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an infinite set. |
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I would not rely on "safe at room temperature" as an
indication of "safe at elevated temperatures" and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. Then call GE ("We bring goo things to life") and ask. (Forgive me for trying to be clever, but if you don't get /that/ one...) |
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On Apr 12, 8:13*am, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: I would not rely on "safe at room temperature" as an indication of "safe at elevated temperatures" and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. Then call GE ("We bring goo things to life") and ask. (Forgive me for trying to be clever, but if you don't get /that/ one...) what did we do to deserve this PUNishment? |
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On Apr 11, 2:39*pm, Rich Webb wrote:
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy wrote: On Apr 11, 4:13*am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Silicone adhesives, as far as I know, are not particularly toxic in the first place, and I doubt a properly cured bond would leach. Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? Doubt it, but need confirmation. Superglue isn't stable. It can be weakened simply by contact with water. |
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Robert Macy wrote: On Apr 12, 8:13 am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: I would not rely on "safe at room temperature" as an indication of "safe at elevated temperatures" and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. Then call GE ("We bring goo things to life") and ask. (Forgive me for trying to be clever, but if you don't get /that/ one...) what did we do to deserve this PUNishment? Anyone working in electronics deserves lots of PUNishment. -- Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!' |
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bz wrote: isw wrote in ]: In article , Rich Webb wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy wrote: On Apr 11, 4:13*am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: What is the best way to reseal this junction, but preserve the requirement that the liquid in contact will be consumed by humans? Silicone adhesives, as far as I know, are not particularly toxic in the first place, and I doubt a properly cured bond would leach. Can food be placed in contact if I use superglue? Doubt it, but need confirmation. .... Go to a pet store and get a tube of aquarium seal. It's a silicone adhesive (which of itself is totally nontoxic), plus whatever is used for a catalyst won't harm fish, even after very long exposure in non-changing water. If it won't hurt them, it sure won't hurt you. Clean all the surfaces with something like a "green scrubber", and apply the silicone as a decent-thickness fillet. You can smooth the stuff with a finger wetted with mineral spirits (which will evaporate by the time the silicone is cured). Isaac In an aquarium, the sealant is not in contact with hot (near boiling) water. I would not rely on 'safe at room temperature' as an indication of 'safe at elevated temperatures' and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. You can rely on the known characteristics of silicone rubber. Isaac |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:13:55 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: I would not rely on "safe at room temperature" as an indication of "safe at elevated temperatures" and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. Then call GE ("We bring goo things to life") and ask. (Forgive me for trying to be clever, but if you don't get /that/ one...) I have some goo that I brougt to life once. Devoured an entire town of 200 people before I could get it stopped... bseg I think the OP needs to realize that there is no solution to his problem--he needs either to replace it or give up, there is likely no suitable repair method that will make even a semi-pernament repair, likely anything he does will fail in a few uses. And as you say, something safe at room temperature sure as shooting is likely to fail on all counts, including toxic byproducts, when heated! |
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:52:15 +0000 (UTC), bz
wrote: Robert Macy wrote in news:cd57f5e4-cc4c-43c5-bdab- : On Apr 12, 8:13*am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: I would not rely on "safe at room temperature" as an indication of "safe at elevated temperatures" and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. Then call GE ("We bring goo things to life") and ask. (Forgive me for trying to be clever, but if you don't get /that/ one...) what did we do to deserve this PUNishment? sounds like a new flavor (the pun-ish mint) groan |
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And as you say, something safe at room temperature
sure as shooting is likely to fail on all counts, including toxic byproducts, when heated! I'm not sure about that. Silicones are highly stable, and the boiling point of water is hardly a high temperature. Many carbon-based organic compounds are stable at those temperatures. (Boiling pasta, for example, doesn't cause it to disintegrate.) |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in
: And as you say, something safe at room temperature sure as shooting is likely to fail on all counts, including toxic byproducts, when heated! I'm not sure about that. Silicones are highly stable, and the boiling point of water is hardly a high temperature. Many carbon-based organic compounds are stable at those temperatures. (Boiling pasta, for example, doesn't cause it to disintegrate.) but boiling pasta DOES 'denature' the chemicals making up the uncooked pasta. Cooked food is definitely different chemically from uncooked food. -- bz please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an infinite set. |
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On Apr 13, 5:07*am, PeterD wrote:
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:13:55 -0700, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: I would not rely on "safe at room temperature" as an indication of "safe at elevated temperatures" and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. Then call GE ("We bring goo things to life") and ask. (Forgive me for trying to be clever, but if you don't get /that/ one...) I have some goo that I brougt to life once. Devoured an entire town of 200 people before I could get it stopped... bseg I think the OP needs to realize that there is no solution to his problem--he needs either to replace it or give up, there is likely no suitable repair method that will make even a semi-pernament repair, likely anything he does will fail in a few uses. And as you say, something safe at room temperature sure as shooting is likely to fail on all counts, including toxic byproducts, when heated! I just don't belong to the the "throw away" philosophy group. Or, the 'if it doesn't work right, buy something different" group. What amazes me is that last group never asks for a refund for the first purchase, but is willing to just continually throw money at a problem. You're talking to a guy that spent three hours to fix an $8 hair dryer, which went on to work for longer than it did before the first breakdown. back to the coffe pot: no reason to trash all when a simple seal around the bottom will suffice. and Rich Webb's suggestion of using that Silicone Unlimited SU5005 RTV adhesive, FDA approved, good to 200C, costs $4.25 a tube sounds like it's worth trying. Thanks again, Rich. |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:01:50 -0700 (PDT), Robert Macy
wrote: On Apr 13, 5:07*am, PeterD wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:13:55 -0700, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: I would not rely on "safe at room temperature" as an indication of "safe at elevated temperatures" and would distrust any company that did so without extensive testing. Then call GE ("We bring goo things to life") and ask. (Forgive me for trying to be clever, but if you don't get /that/ one...) I have some goo that I brougt to life once. Devoured an entire town of 200 people before I could get it stopped... bseg I think the OP needs to realize that there is no solution to his problem--he needs either to replace it or give up, there is likely no suitable repair method that will make even a semi-pernament repair, likely anything he does will fail in a few uses. And as you say, something safe at room temperature sure as shooting is likely to fail on all counts, including toxic byproducts, when heated! I just don't belong to the the "throw away" philosophy group. Or, the 'if it doesn't work right, buy something different" group. What amazes me is that last group never asks for a refund for the first purchase, but is willing to just continually throw money at a problem. You're talking to a guy that spent three hours to fix an $8 hair dryer, which went on to work for longer than it did before the first breakdown. back to the coffe pot: no reason to trash all when a simple seal around the bottom will suffice. and Rich Webb's suggestion of using that Silicone Unlimited SU5005 RTV adhesive, FDA approved, good to 200C, costs $4.25 a tube sounds like it's worth trying. Thanks again, Rich. Roger that. Their blurb makes it sound like it can glue air to water but I suspect that you may need to roughen up or undercut the split gasket a bit to give it something to bite on to. I'm a fixer-upper also, but I will admit to a guilty pleasure if I can strip something for (potentially, maybe, someday) useful parts... -- Rich Webb Norfolk, VA |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:26:54 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: And as you say, something safe at room temperature sure as shooting is likely to fail on all counts, including toxic byproducts, when heated! I'm not sure about that. Silicones are highly stable, and the boiling point of water is hardly a high temperature. Many carbon-based organic compounds are stable at those temperatures. (Boiling pasta, for example, doesn't cause it to disintegrate.) Even if it doesn't fail, I would not want to trust it to not off-gas or release potentially toxic compounds. |
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