What makes a $1200 vacuum different from a $300 vacuum? Why would any vac
cost more than an air conditioner?


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What makes a $1200 vacuum different from a $300 vacuum? Why would any vac
cost more than an air conditioner?

...................there's people out there stupid enough to pay it!

I paid $1200 for a Kirby. Its been reliable from day one til now 10 years
later.
The art of Vaccumming is how the Unit makes contact with the Floor/Carpet.
No one does that better then the Self-propelled Kirby.

L

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I paid $1200 for a Kirby. Its been reliable from day one til now 10
years later.
The art of Vaccumming is how the Unit makes contact with the
Floor/Carpet. No one does that better then the Self-propelled Kirby.

Thanks. I was considering Electrolux, which is in the same price range.

But why does it take that kind of money to make contact with the floor? I'm
trying to understand why the best value is the best value, considering the
wide disparity.


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I paid $1200 for a Kirby. Its been reliable from day one til now 10
years later.
The art of Vaccumming is how the Unit makes contact with the
Floor/Carpet. No one does that better then the Self-propelled Kirby.


Thanks. I was considering Electrolux, which is in the same price range.

But why does it take that kind of money to make contact with the floor? I'm
trying to understand why the best value is the best value, considering the
wide disparity.


I'm quite happy with my Hoover commercial vacuum that I bought for $10
at a bankruptcy sale.

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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:36:08 GMT, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

What makes a $1200 vacuum different from a $300 vacuum?
Why would any vac cost more than an air conditioner?

Or, more than my first car? :-)

(And, a person gets A LOT more use from either a car or an A/C.)

Tom Del Rosso wrote:
What makes a $1200 vacuum different from a $300 vacuum? Why would any vac
cost more than an air conditioner?




Build quality and marketing. You don't always get what you pay for, some
cheap vacuums are fine, a lot of them are poorly made though. If you
want a high end vacuum, look for a used one. Years ago I had a Kirby I
picked up used for $50, it was very well made and I never had a problem
with it, but it was very heavy and cumbersome, and connecting the hose
attachment to get corners was a hassle. I eventually got rid of it and
picked up a newer plastic Eureka for free, which once I tore it down and
cleaned out the clog has been a great vacuum. It's light enough that I
don't break my back lugging it up and down stairs, the hose is already
attached and just has a lever to engage it, and it picks up dirt as well
if not better than the Kirby I had. Probably won't last 100 years but
it's at least 15 years old and still working fine. I don't think I'd
ever buy a brand new vacuum anyway, it's so easy to find them secondhand
for free or nearly so, and often they're discarded simply because they
get clogged up or need a new belt.

Thanks. I was considering Electrolux, which is in the same price range.

But why does it take that kind of money to make contact with the floor? I'm
trying to understand why the best value is the best value, considering the
wide disparity.



Because people will pay for the name. Electrolux is like a Rolls Royce
or Harley Davidson, it's a status symbol, and while not necessarily a
bad product, it's certainly not the best value if you just want
something to do the job.

"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message
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What makes a $1200 vacuum different from a $300 vacuum? Why would any vac
cost more than an air conditioner?

Why do people pay too much for anything?

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Build quality and marketing. You don't always get what you pay for,
some cheap vacuums are fine, a lot of them are poorly made though. If
you want a high end vacuum, look for a used one. Years ago I had a
Kirby I picked up used for $50, it was very well made and I never had
a problem with it, but it was very heavy and cumbersome, and
connecting the hose attachment to get corners was a hassle. I
eventually got rid of it and picked up a newer plastic Eureka for
free, which once I tore it down and cleaned out the clog has been a
great vacuum. It's light enough that I don't break my back lugging it
up and down stairs, the hose is already attached and just has a lever
to engage it, and it picks up dirt as well if not better than the
Kirby I had. Probably won't last 100 years but it's at least 15 years
old and still working fine. I don't think I'd ever buy a brand new
vacuum anyway, it's so easy to find them secondhand for free or
nearly so, and often they're discarded simply because they get
clogged up or need a new belt.

Thanks. I don't want to clean up a used one though. The low-end Electrolux
model EL7020A is $320 and the low-end Hoovers and Sanyos (et al) about $150.
Consumer Reports says that Electrolux model is better on carpet than any
other at any price and I have thick carpet everywhere. (That's the reason
for getting a new one anyway.)


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What makes a $1200 vacuum different from a $300 vacuum? Why would any vac
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**First point:

I am not defending the pricing of Kirby cleaners, since they are obscenely
over-priced, however:

* They are manufactured in a first world nation. The costs of labour would
be many times higher than in (say) China).
* Most cheap air cons are made in China.
* They do employ some rather nifty features, such as a completely separate
motor and impeller. This ensures the motor never has to pass dust particles,
which can damage bearings and other stuff.
* Kirby sucks. It really pulls a very impressive vacuum.
* The Kirby bag system ensures that full vacuum occurs, regardless of how
full the bag becomes.
* The thing is substantially manufactured from (fairly expensive) aluminium
alloy, rather than plastic.
* Kirby is sold in a way which prevents discounts from being easily obtained
(here in Australia).

I owned a really nifty and quite powerful cleaner (2kW). A mate brought his
Kirby 'round and showed me just how inefficient my cleaner was. I waited for
a used Kirby to come my way and purchased it (for about 10% of the cost of a
new one). It is noisy, but it sure cleans crap off the floor.


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Meat Plow wrote:
On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:21:27 -0400, Larry P wrote:


I paid $1200 for a Kirby. Its been reliable from day one til now 10 years
later.
The art of Vaccumming is how the Unit makes contact with the Floor/Carpet.
No one does that better then the Self-propelled Kirby.

L


I bought a Hoover Elite upright around 14 years ago for $79.00 and I've
changed the belt twice for a couple bucks each. It vacuums just as well as
the Kirby my mom got suckered into buying. She doesn't even use it these
days, she went out and bought a Hoover Elite 4 years ago.


I've got a Kirby out in the garage someplace. It's not that good, IMHO.



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CJT wrote:
I've got a Kirby out in the garage someplace. It's not that good, IMHO.

As far as I can tell the main thing Kirby vacuums have going for them is
reliability. They last forever. They're bulky and heavy, though.

I have a cheap Dirt Devil upright vacuum and I wouldn't recommend it, at
least not to anyone with long hair. Stray hairs get wedged between the
plastic beater bar and its plastic bearings, jamming it. Then the belt
burns in half.

David Brodbeck wrote:

CJT wrote:
I've got a Kirby out in the garage someplace. It's not that good, IMHO.

As far as I can tell the main thing Kirby vacuums have going for them is
reliability. They last forever. They're bulky and heavy, though.

I have a cheap Dirt Devil upright vacuum and I wouldn't recommend it, at
least not to anyone with long hair. Stray hairs get wedged between the
plastic beater bar and its plastic bearings, jamming it. Then the belt
burns in half.


If I have to put up with that smell, I might as well go to the
racetrack. ;-)


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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:37:39 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
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"Larry P" wrote in message

I paid $1200 for a Kirby. Its been reliable from day one til now 10
years later.
The art of Vaccumming is how the Unit makes contact with the
Floor/Carpet. No one does that better then the Self-propelled Kirby.

Thanks. I was considering Electrolux, which is in the same price range.

But why does it take that kind of money to make contact with the floor? I'm
trying to understand why the best value is the best value, considering the
wide disparity.


Electrolux was sold and are now made in China = stay away!

I just picked up a Danish made $1,825.00 NILFisk cleanroom 4 gallon, 4
stage filters with HEPA filter (all clean & new) vacuum without
attachments for a sweet price on eBay. Very nice unit, all metal like
the old Electrolux canister units. None of this cheap plastic crap
made in China now a days for me.

http://www.pa.nilfisk-advance.com/pr...m_810_811.html

HEPA filters make the difference, the bigger the better and the more
expensive, and 4 stages of filtration means that the vacuum will keep
sucking at maximum cfm for a longer period.

Talk to someone who repairs them . When working right they are all the
same . Cheap ones are made of cheap plastic that can crack or break .

Bagless vacs fill your house with dust . I know some of you dont believe
this .. go ahead & dont .

Expensive vacs have better plastics & casings but not 3 and 4 hundred
dollars worth .

After owning a few upright vacuums i like the Oreck because it uses a
bag and has gobs of power and its small light and very easy to use in
general .
It is easy to repair . I got one at a yard sale for 35$ and replaced the
fan blade in it .

Try a local vacuum repair shop if you dont want to clean up a used one
as they usually have good rstored used ones at a savings .

This topic ``sucks``

murph1012 wrote:

HEPA filters make the difference, the bigger the better and the more
expensive, and 4 stages of filtration means that the vacuum will keep
sucking at maximum cfm for a longer period.


Then look at the Dyson. We have a DC-14 animal. It's an upright vacuum
clean that is designed to suck up animal hair and dander and NOT return
it. It also comes with a special unit that looks like a small upright
vacuum for for doing furniture.

It works very well, is very strong (about 1500 watts), does not use bags,
and comes apart easily to clean or remove obstructions. The only tool I've
needed in over a year was a coin to open the carpet/floor brush on the
bottom to remove junk that had collected there.

The other parts where things have gotten stuck, including a disposable
plastic knife and many Legos, have come off with a push of a button.

It empties by pusing a button which allows you to lift off the collection
container. You put it over a trash can and push another button. Two or
three times it has gotten long things, such as string etc caught in it
and I had to reach in an pull them out. The collection unit when placed
over a trash can is far away from anything that moves, so although I
was careful, is very safe.

The time we got the knife stuck in it, it got caught in a bend. We noticed
it because the motor shut off. I unplugged it, removed the bends until I
found the knife, cleaned it out and let it sit for a while. No damage.

If for some reason I were to move back to the U.S., I would have 240 volt
outlets installed so I could take it with me. I know they are sold in the
U.S. (Costco has a "cheaper" version made for them by Dyson), but still....

BTW the other thing I would want to bring with me is my Kenwood mixer.
It makes a Kitchen Aide look like underpowered cheap junk.

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Electrolux was sold and are now made in China = stay away!

I just picked up a Danish made $1,825.00 NILFisk cleanroom 4 gallon, 4
stage filters with HEPA filter (all clean & new) vacuum without
attachments for a sweet price on eBay. Very nice unit, all metal like
the old Electrolux canister units. None of this cheap plastic crap
made in China now a days for me.

http://www.pa.nilfisk-advance.com/pr...m_810_811.html

HEPA filters make the difference, the bigger the better and the more
expensive, and 4 stages of filtration means that the vacuum will keep
sucking at maximum cfm for a longer period.



A friend's shop has a Nilfisk vacuum cleaner, that thing is amazing.
It's about 4' tall and has a 3 phase induction motor of I think 2
horsepower. It's extremely quiet and very well made. Wish I could get a
smaller version of it for my garage at home, I hate those noisy
universal motors.

Ken G. wrote:
Talk to someone who repairs them . When working right they are all the
same . Cheap ones are made of cheap plastic that can crack or break .

Bagless vacs fill your house with dust . I know some of you dont believe
this .. go ahead & dont .

Expensive vacs have better plastics & casings but not 3 and 4 hundred
dollars worth .

After owning a few upright vacuums i like the Oreck because it uses a
bag and has gobs of power and its small light and very easy to use in
general .
It is easy to repair . I got one at a yard sale for 35$ and replaced the
fan blade in it .

Try a local vacuum repair shop if you dont want to clean up a used one
as they usually have good rstored used ones at a savings .

This topic ``sucks``



I forgot about those bagless things. I had one for a while, didn't have
too much of a dust problem but it would clog very easily and the suction
went way down long before the cannister was full. I had to empty it
about 30 times more often than I change the bag on my current vacuum so
it was no savings in convenience. Neat idea, but poor performance in
practice.

I had a roommate once with an Oreck, that was in fact very good, light
weight, powerful, not too noisy, felt solidly made and it never broke.

Ken G. wrote:
Bagless vacs fill your house with dust . I know some of you dont believe
this .. go ahead & dont .

Hm. One of the things I like best about our bagless vacuum is that it
doesn't fill the air with dust. It, and the Rainbow we bought used but
which doesn't seem to have much suction any more, are the best ones
we've ever had.

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Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Thanks. I was considering Electrolux, which is in the same price range.

But why does it take that kind of money to make contact with the floor? I'm
trying to understand why the best value is the best value, considering the
wide disparity.

Easy answer - go to the Library and look through the appropriate issue
of Consumer Reports. It will answer all these questions.

Bill Jeffrey

Hi!

Because people will pay for the name. Electrolux is like a Rolls Royce
or Harley Davidson, it's a status symbol, and while not necessarily a
bad product, it's certainly not the best value if you just want
something to do the job.

Depends on...I've found a number of their 1980s or so canister vacuums on
the curb and found most of them to have no problem at all. Sometimes I even
got the accessories. (That said, I do need a set of bearings that would be
suitable for use with one of their canister vacuums. I have one that the
front motor bearing is blown on. It runs but shrieks like the dickens and
makes everyone want to hide! I haven't been able to find replacements, not
even from Electrolux.)

Some years ago I picked up a positively ancient Electrolux canister from a
church sale. It couldn't be any newer than the 1950s. For $2 it wasn't a bad
deal at all. The broken latch on the lid was easily fixed. It is still
running along today. Getting the bags is no problem, as the container they
come in says "for all Electrolux canisters 1953 and newer"...pretty amazing.

I also have an Electrolux Epic upright (!!!) that is the only Electrolux
upright I have ever seen. It was tossed into the trash at work because of a
burned out power switch that made the handle get very hot in operation.
Somehow I think it will be going long after the vacuum that replaced it has
been retired. It seemed silly to let them toss it for what took me about
fifteen minutes to fix.

I don't know if their current products still last this long or not.

William

Depends on...I've found a number of their 1980s or so canister vacuums on
the curb and found most of them to have no problem at all. Sometimes I even
got the accessories. (That said, I do need a set of bearings that would be
suitable for use with one of their canister vacuums. I have one that the
front motor bearing is blown on. It runs but shrieks like the dickens and
makes everyone want to hide! I haven't been able to find replacements, not
even from Electrolux.)



Well when you can find them used for next to nothing then anything can
be a bargain, again they're not bad products, just vastly overpriced new.

Have you tried McMaster Carr? I got a bearing from them for the air pump
in my hot tub, it had sat full of water for months and the bearing was
shot but McMaster had something that fit perfectly.

William R. Walsh wrote:
Some years ago I picked up a positively ancient Electrolux canister from a
church sale. It couldn't be any newer than the 1950s. For $2 it wasn't a bad
deal at all. The broken latch on the lid was easily fixed. It is still
running along today. Getting the bags is no problem, as the container they
come in says "for all Electrolux canisters 1953 and newer"...pretty amazing.

Is that the art-deco one with the sleigh-style skis on the bottom? My
parents used to have one of those. They're pretty cool looking, a
genuine piece of industrial art. Looks like something The Rocketeer
would strap to his back.

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Well when you can find them used for next to nothing then anything can
be a bargain, again they're not bad products, just vastly overpriced
new.

Do you mean the $800+ models, or the $300-$350 models as well? The cheapest
available today is around $110, but the cheapest of anything is usually
worthless.


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"James Sweet" wrote in message
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Well when you can find them used for next to nothing then anything can
be a bargain, again they're not bad products, just vastly overpriced
new.


Do you mean the $800+ models, or the $300-$350 models as well? The cheapest
available today is around $110, but the cheapest of anything is usually
worthless.




Well I guess it depends on what other vacuums cost these days. I've
never in my life paid more than $50 for one and that was the Kirby I
quit using because it was too heavy and clumsy, the one I've had since
then was free. All is relative I suppose. It's a vacuum, I just need to
to clean, I don't need a status symbol.