Thought of this while cooking breakfast. Note his policy. He only posts
links to ISO's if allowed.

http://www.linuxiso.org/

Used it a few times.

Highly recommend the use of Bittorent to download ISO images. Just leave
it running for a few hours after you are finished. Give other people a
chance to share your bandwidth since you shared someone else's bandwidth.

http://bittorrent.com/

Works great under Linux - haven't tried the Windows version. I think it
requires the Python language BTW -- at least it does on Linux.


Mike Marlow wrote:
Where are you guys getting Linux from? As well, any associated applications
such as Open Office or Star Office or whatever is commonly used today?

I've got a machine that has been just sitting around and not even on the
network for a while and I might just put it on and load it up. It's been so
long since I've looked at the Linux world that I don't even know what
everyone uses these days. Redhat? Purplecoat?


--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:07:48 -0500, Mike Marlow wrote:

Where are you guys getting Linux from? As well, any associated
applications such as Open Office or Star Office or whatever is commonly
used today?

I've got a machine that has been just sitting around and not even on the
network for a while and I might just put it on and load it up. It's been
so long since I've looked at the Linux world that I don't even know what
everyone uses these days. Redhat? Purplecoat?

I've been using Fedora (RedHat). You can download it at:

http://fedora.redhat.com/

It's a four CD distribution and includes a ton of apps such as OpenOffice.

- Doug

--

To escape criticism--do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." (Elbert Hubbard)

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 07:07:48 -0500, Mike Marlow wrote:
Where are you guys getting Linux from? As well, any associated applications
such as Open Office or Star Office or whatever is commonly used today?

I've got a machine that has been just sitting around and not even on the
network for a while and I might just put it on and load it up. It's been so
long since I've looked at the Linux world that I don't even know what
everyone uses these days. Redhat? Purplecoat?

I'd download a Knoppix live CD, gets you a bootable, runnable Linux
install, and if you have hardware incompatibilities, take the CD out
and you're back to where you were. Good way to try it out, test a
system for compatibility, and also a great way to fix a b0rken Windows
installation if you're ambitious.

knoppix.org is where I'd expect to get it. openoffice.org for the obvious,
and so on. Feel free to email me if you have specific questions, my
address does work.

Dave Hinz

In article ,
says...
I've got a machine that has been just sitting around and not even on the
network for a while and I might just put it on and load it up. It's been so
long since I've looked at the Linux world that I don't even know what
everyone uses these days. Redhat? Purplecoat?

If it's an old slow machine, most folks recommend Vector Linux, a
repackaged "friendlier" Slackware.

I haven't tried it yet, but intend to. I installed the latest Mandrake
on my old 233mhz Pentium, and it runs like molasses pours.

I did use Slackware in the past, but I was a professional programmer for
45 years or so. And I still did a fair amount of head scratching (and
shaking) before I got it to work.

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
I've got a machine that has been just sitting around and not even on the
network for a while and I might just put it on and load it up. It's
been so
long since I've looked at the Linux world that I don't even know what
everyone uses these days. Redhat? Purplecoat?

If it's an old slow machine, most folks recommend Vector Linux, a
repackaged "friendlier" Slackware.

I haven't tried it yet, but intend to. I installed the latest Mandrake
on my old 233mhz Pentium, and it runs like molasses pours.

I did use Slackware in the past, but I was a professional programmer for
45 years or so. And I still did a fair amount of head scratching (and
shaking) before I got it to work.


Thanks Larry and everyone else that replied. I was a Unix analyst for a lot
of years, a long time ago and always loved the environment, but for the same
reasons that I loved it, I'm somewhat reluctant to dabble with Linux now. I
just don't really care, or have the time to devote to messing with a machine
all of the time. I'm hearing that the Linux environment is not much better
than any of the Unix environments were 10 years ago - driver issues and all
the fun of searching around, finding them, debugging them, etc., much
smaller list of available applications, patch issues that rival Microsoft,
etc. It may well be a more secure environment, but I'm not sure I'm hearing
that Linux has really made it yet as a full featured environment.
--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
If it's an old slow machine, most folks recommend Vector Linux, a
repackaged "friendlier" Slackware.

I haven't tried it yet, but intend to. I installed the latest Mandrake
on my old 233mhz Pentium, and it runs like molasses pours.

I did use Slackware in the past, but I was a professional programmer for
45 years or so. And I still did a fair amount of head scratching (and
shaking) before I got it to work.



Thanks Larry and everyone else that replied. I was a Unix analyst for a lot
of years, a long time ago and always loved the environment, but for the same
reasons that I loved it, I'm somewhat reluctant to dabble with Linux now. I
just don't really care, or have the time to devote to messing with a machine
all of the time. I'm hearing that the Linux environment is not much better
than any of the Unix environments were 10 years ago - driver issues and all
the fun of searching around, finding them, debugging them, etc., much
smaller list of available applications, patch issues that rival Microsoft,
etc. It may well be a more secure environment, but I'm not sure I'm hearing
that Linux has really made it yet as a full featured environment.

The last few versions of Slackware don't seem to have that issue.
Version 7 was a little frustrating.

The current version - 10.1 seems to slick as a gooses' ...

Older machines can often be easier -- since the drivers are now well
understood. Even the AMD64 based server was not that bad though. Linux
on the AMD64 was a lot simpler than Windows Server 2003 (64 bit). It
runs Linux all the time. Easier install, fewer hassles.

Been in the tech business quite a while. Linux seems to be just fine
now. Five years ago Linux was pretty flaky. I am still more used to
Mainframe systems and their Multi-user OS than these new fangled PC's.

Each to their own.



--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

"Will" wrote in message
...


The last few versions of Slackware don't seem to have that issue.
Version 7 was a little frustrating.

The current version - 10.1 seems to slick as a gooses' ...

Older machines can often be easier -- since the drivers are now well
understood. Even the AMD64 based server was not that bad though. Linux
on the AMD64 was a lot simpler than Windows Server 2003 (64 bit). It
runs Linux all the time. Easier install, fewer hassles.

Been in the tech business quite a while. Linux seems to be just fine
now. Five years ago Linux was pretty flaky. I am still more used to
Mainframe systems and their Multi-user OS than these new fangled PC's.

Each to their own.


I know I'll regret this decision, but maybe I'll go ahead and take a look at
Slackware. I just know what will happen once I sit down and start screwing
with something like this...

--

-Mike-

In article ,
says...
I'm hearing that the Linux environment is not much better
than any of the Unix environments were 10 years ago - driver issues and all
the fun of searching around, finding them, debugging them, etc., much
smaller list of available applications, patch issues that rival Microsoft,
etc.

At the time I used Slackware at home, I was working on a SCADA system
that used SCO Unix and a traffic control system that used Venix (that
O/S I loved, but it died). Slackware wasn't any harder to set up and
maintain than SCO Unix, but I had to do more digging to find the
documentation I needed. And some of the "howto" docs were a little hard
to read.

I think the applications issue is less now. Linux has MSOffice
compatiblity and more than one CAD package. At least one of the
specialized model railroad (one of my hobbies) design CADs is available
for Linux.

And once you get Linux up and running, you won't have to reboot it every
time you turn around :-).

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

Mike:

Actually I think you will enjoy it thoroughly. If you plunge in then
welcome to the club. :-))

But I know what you mean. I have recompiled and tweaked the kernel for
the heck of it more than once... Probably a few hundred times actually...

If you like fooling with databases you can get Interbase, PostGress,
MySQL and Firebird ( http://ibphoenix.com/ ) (An interbase knockoff)


Mike Marlow wrote:
"Will" wrote in message
...


The last few versions of Slackware don't seem to have that issue.
Version 7 was a little frustrating.

The current version - 10.1 seems to slick as a gooses' ...

Older machines can often be easier -- since the drivers are now well
understood. Even the AMD64 based server was not that bad though. Linux
on the AMD64 was a lot simpler than Windows Server 2003 (64 bit). It
runs Linux all the time. Easier install, fewer hassles.

Been in the tech business quite a while. Linux seems to be just fine
now. Five years ago Linux was pretty flaky. I am still more used to
Mainframe systems and their Multi-user OS than these new fangled PC's.

Each to their own.



I know I'll regret this decision, but maybe I'll go ahead and take a look at
Slackware. I just know what will happen once I sit down and start screwing
with something like this...


--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

"jtpr" wrote ...
So, do you teach these boys that it's OK for mommy to steal? Do you
steal the clothes you put on their back and the food you fill their
bellies with? Why is it different with software?

If you're going to whine about your situation, look at your ethics
first.

She's psycho. People in other groups have been trying to encourage her to
get help.

jaime wrote:

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:45:38 -0600, Patriarch
wrote:


There are more than a few software people inhabiting this virtual space.
Hence, we often feel it is our livelihood being threatened.

Given the low cost and/or free software made available....

Patriarch

I can understand how you feel but there are many people out there who
cannot afford the high costs of many of these software programs.

Uh, what "low cost and/or free software" has "high costs"?


Bill Gates has made *billions* off of people for software it probably
cost him less to manufacture then what he retails it for.

Generally speaking, if one sells one's product at a price less than the cost
of manufacture, one goes broke in short order.

First, there are several free newsreaders available for Windows, including
Free Agent. Gravity is quite nice. Google "free Windows newsreader" and
you should get a number of hits. Second, this discussion started by
someone complaining of not having the 30 bucks to pay for full Agent. That
is hardly an onerous price. Third, if it's Microsoft that's bugging you,
they provide a number of ways to get their software at very good discounts
if you know the right hoops to jump through. For a thousand bucks or so
you can get _everything_ they make other than games and hardware, all with
multiple licenses. For 300 you can get ten seats of everything likely to
be useful for a small business, with three shipments of new or updated
stuff in the next year and after that for 200 a year you can continue to
get the quarterly shipments. You can get many of their developer tools for
a free download. If you're a legitimate nonprofit you can get XP for 25
bucks for the first seat and 18 for each of the next 50--more than that
contact Microsoft directly.

And if that's too much for you then there is Open Source.

**************************************
I'm *not* a bad person. I simply made the
mistake of getting involved with a *jack*ss*.
Is it a coincidence that he lives on a farm?
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)