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I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.

Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.

I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.


Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.


No, you need to target less than 4000W (3600W?). At 4800W, you're too
close to the edge. At the maximum line voltage the heater will draw
21A.

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On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:59:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:35:01 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, wrote
I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.

Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.

I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.


Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.



IIRC, you can only draw 80% of breaker capacity on a continuous load,
call it 3.5kw in round numbers (3.8 max).
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On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:42:43 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:59:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:35:01 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, wrote
I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.
Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.
I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.


Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.

No, you need to target less than 4000W (3600W?). At 4800W, you're too
close to the edge. At the maximum line voltage the heater will draw
21A.


Yes, the 4800w's that come corded have a 6-30P plug. Therefore, I'm going with this one - Cadet 4000-Watt Electric Garage Heater. It has a 6-20P plug, so it should work. Currently I'm using a 1500w office space heater and it works ok if a have it right next to me on the bench. I'm hoping at almost 3 times the wattage, this one will suffice. I don't need a sauna. Just warm enough to relax a little.
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On 12/28/2020 2:27 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:42:43 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:59:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:35:01 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, wrote
I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.
Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.
I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.

Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.

No, you need to target less than 4000W (3600W?). At 4800W, you're too
close to the edge. At the maximum line voltage the heater will draw
21A.


Yes, the 4800w's that come corded have a 6-30P plug. Therefore, I'm going with this one - Cadet 4000-Watt Electric Garage Heater. It has a 6-20P plug, so it should work. Currently I'm using a 1500w office space heater and it works ok if a have it right next to me on the bench. I'm hoping at almost 3 times the wattage, this one will suffice. I don't need a sauna. Just warm enough to relax a little.

and have the glue and paint to dry properly. At least that is the
problem I have when it is cold.
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 11:27:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:42:43 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:59:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:35:01 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, wrote
I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.
Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.
I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.

Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.

No, you need to target less than 4000W (3600W?). At 4800W, you're too
close to the edge. At the maximum line voltage the heater will draw
21A.


Yes, the 4800w's that come corded have a 6-30P plug. Therefore, I'm going with this one - Cadet 4000-Watt Electric Garage Heater. It has a 6-20P plug, so it should work. Currently I'm using a 1500w office space heater and it works ok if a have it right next to me on the bench. I'm hoping at almost 3 times the wattage, this one will suffice. I don't need a sauna. Just warm enough to relax a little.


You could use both. I might use an infrared heater where you tend to
work. I'll keep you (well, half of you) warm without sucking up too
much power.

I don't use a heater because my (walk out) basement only gets cold for
a few weeks out of the year (it's 58F now and may get down to about
50F). Once I get working a sweatshirt is good enough.


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On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 6:40:30 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 11:27:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:42:43 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:59:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:35:01 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, wrote
I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.
Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.
I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.

Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.
No, you need to target less than 4000W (3600W?). At 4800W, you're too
close to the edge. At the maximum line voltage the heater will draw
21A.


Yes, the 4800w's that come corded have a 6-30P plug. Therefore, I'm going with this one - Cadet 4000-Watt Electric Garage Heater. It has a 6-20P plug, so it should work. Currently I'm using a 1500w office space heater and it works ok if a have it right next to me on the bench. I'm hoping at almost 3 times the wattage, this one will suffice. I don't need a sauna. Just warm enough to relax a little.

You could use both. I might use an infrared heater where you tend to
work. I'll keep you (well, half of you) warm without sucking up too
much power.

I don't use a heater because my (walk out) basement only gets cold for
a few weeks out of the year (it's 58F now and may get down to about
50F). Once I get working a sweatshirt is good enough.


58? Probably won't see that around here for a while.

My daughter asked me to bring one specific tool when we went to visit for
Christmas. I brought it, but I made her use it.

https://i.imgur.com/0jyl2wv.jpg
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 18:52:53 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 6:40:30 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 11:27:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:42:43 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:59:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:35:01 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, wrote
I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.
Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.
I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.

Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.
No, you need to target less than 4000W (3600W?). At 4800W, you're too
close to the edge. At the maximum line voltage the heater will draw
21A.

Yes, the 4800w's that come corded have a 6-30P plug. Therefore, I'm going with this one - Cadet 4000-Watt Electric Garage Heater. It has a 6-20P plug, so it should work. Currently I'm using a 1500w office space heater and it works ok if a have it right next to me on the bench. I'm hoping at almost 3 times the wattage, this one will suffice. I don't need a sauna. Just warm enough to relax a little.

You could use both. I might use an infrared heater where you tend to
work. I'll keep you (well, half of you) warm without sucking up too
much power.

I don't use a heater because my (walk out) basement only gets cold for
a few weeks out of the year (it's 58F now and may get down to about
50F). Once I get working a sweatshirt is good enough.


58? Probably won't see that around here for a while.

My daughter asked me to bring one specific tool when we went to visit for
Christmas. I brought it, but I made her use it.

https://i.imgur.com/0jyl2wv.jpg


That works for me. The kid is still in VT. They had 32" a week or so
back. You can have that white s***. I'm done with it. The average
highs are in the 50s and 60s (lows in the 30s and 40s), November
through March, here. Nice weather.

I was referring to the basement temperature. There is insulation
between the unheated basement and the first floor but it's not a lot.
No point in it.
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On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 10:55:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 18:52:53 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 6:40:30 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 11:27:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:42:43 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:59:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:35:01 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, wrote
I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.
Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.
I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.

Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.
No, you need to target less than 4000W (3600W?). At 4800W, you're too
close to the edge. At the maximum line voltage the heater will draw
21A.

Yes, the 4800w's that come corded have a 6-30P plug. Therefore, I'm going with this one - Cadet 4000-Watt Electric Garage Heater. It has a 6-20P plug, so it should work. Currently I'm using a 1500w office space heater and it works ok if a have it right next to me on the bench. I'm hoping at almost 3 times the wattage, this one will suffice. I don't need a sauna. Just warm enough to relax a little.
You could use both. I might use an infrared heater where you tend to
work. I'll keep you (well, half of you) warm without sucking up too
much power.

I don't use a heater because my (walk out) basement only gets cold for
a few weeks out of the year (it's 58F now and may get down to about
50F). Once I get working a sweatshirt is good enough.


58? Probably won't see that around here for a while.

My daughter asked me to bring one specific tool when we went to visit for
Christmas. I brought it, but I made her use it.

https://i.imgur.com/0jyl2wv.jpg

That works for me. The kid is still in VT. They had 32" a week or so
back. You can have that white s***. I'm done with it. The average
highs are in the 50s and 60s (lows in the 30s and 40s), November
through March, here. Nice weather.


Yep...that's the same storm that hit my daughter's area - central NY, 10 miles
north of the PA line. Reports say 40", she probably got mid-30". By the time
I showed up with the snow blower (4 days later) it had melted down/sunk a
bit so it doesn't look like that much, comparatively speaking.

Of course, the day I loaded the snow blower back into the trailer, the plows
came by to do their "street widening" runs. Knocked down the 5' piles at the
EOD and blocked me in and my daughter out. I had to unload the blower and
clear the EOD of the hardpacked, frozen blockage.


I was referring to the basement temperature. There is insulation
between the unheated basement and the first floor but it's not a lot.
No point in it.


Back here at home, it's 27°F outside, 60°F in my basement shop. It'll drop into
the low 50's if temps hit the teens. The shop is small enough that a 1500W
oil-filled space heater will warm it up nicely. After 30+ years, I've not seen any
indication of rust due to the fluctuating temps, so I'm counting my blessings for
that.
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 07:45:46 -0800 (PST), Dave Marulli
wrote:

On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 10:55:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 18:52:53 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 6:40:30 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 11:27:24 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:42:43 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 19:39:06 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 5:59:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 16:35:01 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:54:02 AM UTC-8, wrote
I don't see a problem with this as long as the current circuit is 10Ga
wiring with a 30A breaker. Note that the 6-30R is a 30A plug. This is
sort of circuit is a little unusual for a table saw, which are usually
connects to a 20A branch.


It is a 20A branch so I assume 12 gauge wire.
Not enough power. 5000W/240V = 21A
You need a 30A circuit. Your plug is rated for 30A. No way around
this one.

The 240 outlet happens to be right below the perfect spot to hang a heater. The heater cord would only have to be 7 feet at the most. I'm hoping to save a few bucks by not installing a new breaker, wire, and outlet.
I doesn't matter. You don't have enough power for it.

Perfect! Thanks for clarifying. Budget calls for a cheap solution, so I need to find something that is no more than 4800W. Someday I'll go big. For now I just need something that can take the chill off better than an office space heater.
No, you need to target less than 4000W (3600W?). At 4800W, you're too
close to the edge. At the maximum line voltage the heater will draw
21A.

Yes, the 4800w's that come corded have a 6-30P plug. Therefore, I'm going with this one - Cadet 4000-Watt Electric Garage Heater. It has a 6-20P plug, so it should work. Currently I'm using a 1500w office space heater and it works ok if a have it right next to me on the bench. I'm hoping at almost 3 times the wattage, this one will suffice. I don't need a sauna. Just warm enough to relax a little.
You could use both. I might use an infrared heater where you tend to
work. I'll keep you (well, half of you) warm without sucking up too
much power.

I don't use a heater because my (walk out) basement only gets cold for
a few weeks out of the year (it's 58F now and may get down to about
50F). Once I get working a sweatshirt is good enough.

58? Probably won't see that around here for a while.

My daughter asked me to bring one specific tool when we went to visit for
Christmas. I brought it, but I made her use it.

https://i.imgur.com/0jyl2wv.jpg

That works for me. The kid is still in VT. They had 32" a week or so
back. You can have that white s***. I'm done with it. The average
highs are in the 50s and 60s (lows in the 30s and 40s), November
through March, here. Nice weather.


Yep...that's the same storm that hit my daughter's area - central NY, 10 miles
north of the PA line. Reports say 40", she probably got mid-30". By the time
I showed up with the snow blower (4 days later) it had melted down/sunk a
bit so it doesn't look like that much, comparatively speaking.

Of course, the day I loaded the snow blower back into the trailer, the plows
came by to do their "street widening" runs. Knocked down the 5' piles at the
EOD and blocked me in and my daughter out. I had to unload the blower and
clear the EOD of the hardpacked, frozen blockage.


Yeah, I remember all that. I was in the Hudson valley for just short
of 20 years and Vermont for 14. There are a lot of reasons I'm no
longer in the NE but that's high on the list.

I was referring to the basement temperature. There is insulation
between the unheated basement and the first floor but it's not a lot.
No point in it.


Back here at home, it's 27F outside, 60F in my basement shop. It'll drop into
the low 50's if temps hit the teens. The shop is small enough that a 1500W
oil-filled space heater will warm it up nicely. After 30+ years, I've not seen any
indication of rust due to the fluctuating temps, so I'm counting my blessings for
that.


My shop will hit the low 50s, as well, but it's a walk-out so is only
about half below ground. The rest is stick built like the main
floors. In the summer it'll get into the low 80s without help. I
don't heat the space but I do have a small AC (1T, IIRC) and a
dehumidifier. I try to keep the humidity down to 50-55%. Electricity
is fairly cheap so it's not a big deal to run both at once. I have
too much cast iron to risk.


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