Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:


I find that to be true most of the time but it is often worth checking
things out. I recently bought a Citizen watch and checked Amazon but
found it at others. You can also see why I don't go to the mall any
more to shop at Zales and the like.

Jonashop $187
Amazon $278
Jet.com $218
Zales, on line or in store $375


Copy and paste the Amazon URL into camelcamelcamel.com

You'll get a price history (they don't track everything) and you can see
where the average price is and whether or not you're in a sudden uptick
in price.

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On 1/7/2017 9:32 AM, woodchucker wrote:
On 1/7/2017 10:05 AM, Leon wrote:
On 1/6/2017 6:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/6/2017 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:


Not to disparage you guys, but you are basically saying Sears should
have been able to predict the future. Everything would be better if
we could all do that. Sears did not predict the future so they did
not use their catalog business to become the major retail seller of
the future. If that is the logic you are using then we are all idiots
because we did not invent Apple before Jobs and Wozniak did in 1976.
Why didn't you know computers and mobile phones and online was the
future? Are you stupid? Who sitting here today knew that buying
stuff from home using a computer was the future? Shopping in stores
was out?


I think you hit the nail on the head.

Monday morning quarter backing is easy but non provable.

No, this is not Monday morning, it is 16 years too late. Amazon stated
in 1994. Sears let many Mondays pass and is still not an internet
presence. They (and many others) ignored what was going on around them.

Auto dealers were losing ground and finally caught on a few years back.
My last car was bought at a dealer in 15 minutes after using on line
sources to get the best price. I sat down with the salesman he made an
offer. I told him what the numbers had to be and he said "no". I
showed him the numbers on my phone and in two minutes he met the deal.
The horseless carriage was just a novelty, as was the telephone,
television and most every advance and new technology.

I think you might have just caught on to the car buying technique. I
bought our Chevy PU that way, in 1997. And I had the deal before I
walked in the dealership.

I still have to test drive the vehicle and go through closing, I wish
that only took 15 minutes.


I'm going to check out them new fax machines. I understand you can send
copies of things in minutes to another machine.

LOL.... I remember about 20 years ago wondering why FAX was still being
used over e-mail. Only now is Fax falling to e-mail and PDF's.


Fax has an advantage over email in that it's point to point.

Well sort'a. I'm sure the fax does not go directly from my house to
yours. It certainly goes through the local telephone office and or the
governments snoops offices that monitor phone calls.


So sending your SS # on a form is better done by Fax than email.

It's even more secure than a https form.

Certainly.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:29:22 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 6:34 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:52:47 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 3:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure out
"how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has moved
on and the real competition is the likes of Dollar General
(and, of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony earphones. Amazon
doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus shipping. I finally found them
online at Walmart for $14 and free shipping. Walmart knows whats up,
and if Amazon isn't careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.




Not everything purchased through Amazon is supplied or sold by Amazon.
There are thousands of retailers selling their goods on Amazon and they
ship direct from their stores, and they have all different prices and
many are not even in the ball park of being competitively priced.
But being aligned with Amazon, the (sheeple) public are convinced
they are getting the deal of the century - just because they bought it
online from Amazon - - - - - - .



This is true but it is staring you in the face most of the time. Often
you see the words, may be at a lower price by others. Click the link
and the pricing goes all over the spectrum.

The thing that's ****ing me off about Amazon is their search engine is
awful. It often pulls up similar but completely useless stuff. You
have to be _very_ careful that what you select is what you really
want.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:35:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 6:43 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/6/17 5:55 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 1/6/2017 4:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure out
"how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has moved
on and the real competition is the likes of Dollar General
(and, of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony earphones. Amazon
doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus shipping. I finally found them
online at Walmart for $14 and free shipping. Walmart knows whats up,
and if Amazon isn't careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.



I don't think so. I have a peeve with Amazon. Originally free shipping
over $25.. then they moved it to $35, and quickly thereafter to $49... I
understand the $35, but the $49 was not necessary. It was to make you
buy into PRIME.. and that's where my disdain lies. I understood when
they said in order for them to remain profitable they had to move to
$35.. That I got..


I bought Prime and will never look back.
I think I got my money's worth in the first month.
Worth every penny and more.



Me too, especially considering the Prime TV shows, not to mention the
second day free shipping. The free over "what ever amount" typically
took at least 5 days.

I learned to wait for Christmas when I was 6. ;-)

As I get older, time goes a lot faster, too.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:40:41 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 18:55:28 -0500, woodchucker
wrote:

On 1/6/2017 4:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure out
"how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has moved
on and the real competition is the likes of Dollar General
(and, of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony earphones. Amazon
doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus shipping. I finally found them
online at Walmart for $14 and free shipping. Walmart knows whats up,
and if Amazon isn't careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.



I don't think so. I have a peeve with Amazon. Originally free shipping
over $25.. then they moved it to $35, and quickly thereafter to $49... I
understand the $35, but the $49 was not necessary. It was to make you
buy into PRIME.. and that's where my disdain lies. I understood when
they said in order for them to remain profitable they had to move to
$35.. That I got..

I just keep adding stuff to my cart until it gets to the $49
threshold. It's really not that much money.



LOL, that strategy payed off for them in your case. ;~) I have been
tempted to do that on occasion and think to my self, am I really saving,
money and or time, by buying from Amazon if I spend more than I intended?

Not at all. It may take two weeks to fill the shopping cart. I also
put stuff I may want but don't need immediately on my lists. If I
need something quickly (very rarely), I'll add something from one of
the lists.

With Prime I buy only what I need at the time. If I make 3 separate
orders in one day they still ship for free.

No different, except that I may wait longer. Again, $49 isn't a lot
of money. Prime isn't free, either.

On 1/7/17 9:21 AM, woodchucker wrote:
On 1/7/2017 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 18:55:28 -0500, woodchucker
wrote:

On 1/6/2017 4:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure out
"how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has moved
on and the real competition is the likes of Dollar General
(and, of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony
earphones. Amazon doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus
shipping. I finally found them online at Walmart for $14 and
free shipping. Walmart knows whats up, and if Amazon isn't
careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.



I don't think so. I have a peeve with Amazon. Originally free
shipping over $25.. then they moved it to $35, and quickly
thereafter to $49... I understand the $35, but the $49 was not
necessary. It was to make you buy into PRIME.. and that's where
my disdain lies. I understood when they said in order for them
to remain profitable they had to move to $35.. That I got..

I just keep adding stuff to my cart until it gets to the $49
threshold. It's really not that much money.



LOL, that strategy payed off for them in your case. ;~) I have
been tempted to do that on occasion and think to my self, am I
really saving, money and or time, by buying from Amazon if I spend
more than I intended?

With Prime I buy only what I need at the time. If I make 3
separate orders in one day they still ship for free.


Are you really saving when you spend over $100 to join prime?


As you say, it depends on how and what you consume.
We probably made up for it twice just in shipping.
The music and TV streaming are worth that price for us which is really
what made us pull the trigger. My thinking was that we were already
spending at least $100 in shipping every year, so let's just pay it up
front and get all these other benefits on top.

What ended up happening is that we now look for excuses to buy stuff on
Amazon, which I'm certain was their intended purpose for it anyway. And
I don't mind a bit because for so many, many things, it's just a much
easier way to shop.


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On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:21:54 -0500, woodchucker
wrote:

On 1/7/2017 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 18:55:28 -0500, woodchucker
wrote:

On 1/6/2017 4:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure out
"how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has moved
on and the real competition is the likes of Dollar General
(and, of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony earphones. Amazon
doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus shipping. I finally found
them
online at Walmart for $14 and free shipping. Walmart knows whats up,
and if Amazon isn't careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.



I don't think so. I have a peeve with Amazon. Originally free shipping
over $25.. then they moved it to $35, and quickly thereafter to $49... I
understand the $35, but the $49 was not necessary. It was to make you
buy into PRIME.. and that's where my disdain lies. I understood when
they said in order for them to remain profitable they had to move to
$35.. That I got..

I just keep adding stuff to my cart until it gets to the $49
threshold. It's really not that much money.



LOL, that strategy payed off for them in your case. ;~) I have been
tempted to do that on occasion and think to my self, am I really saving,
money and or time, by buying from Amazon if I spend more than I intended?

With Prime I buy only what I need at the time. If I make 3 separate
orders in one day they still ship for free.


Are you really saving when you spend over $100 to join prime?
In my case I don't watch much TV, so I wouldn't benefit by the TV shows.

Most TV shows are available online, anyway. Our DVR often screws up
so we just go to the network's on demand site and watch. The only
down side is that fast-forward doesn't work.

I prefer to spend it in the shop. I guess my wife would watch, but my
high speed is limited to 6mb as I live out in the boonies.

We just got AT&T Uverse this year. Before that we had AT&T DSL
(*maybe* 6Mb but usually no more than 3Mb), so I feel your pain. BTW,
Uverse is far from perfect. It just stops for a few seconds, fairly
often. TV stuff is buffered enough that it isn't affected much but
streaming on the computer or audio has real problems.

I have noticed that with my son's Prime there are a lot of items that
are ineligible to add to your cart on prime.. meaning you have to add
more items before they will ship that on prime.. I would have to look
back on my purchases to around april last year, but I had to pad an
order for them to ship cerain things even through prime. Even though I
had spent enough, those items did not add to the total b4 shipping. WTF!!!

I do think the 2 day is nice, he ordered a bunch of stuff for Christmas
and had it shipped here. Often it came before 8:30 in the morn.
Sometimes b4 8.

On 07 Jan 2017 10:36:28 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

wrote in
:

On 06 Jan 2017 23:54:16 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:


It's the same way with shoes. People keep insisting shoe sizes are
the same, but that just doesn't match my reality. I just sent back a
size 9 boot to trade for an 8.5, but I have a 9.5 shoe that fits
perfectly. The boots I'm wearing now are 10's.

If I had my way about it, the foot would be measured and the shoe
would be specified to fit the measurements of the foot. The
dimensions would be inches or centimeters, not whatever measurement
the manufacturer decided to use today. Now you know your 25.5cm by
7.76cm (length by max width across the ball of the foot) foot will
likely match a 26cmx8cm shoe.

That really doesn't work either. Width matters and even that doesn't
tell everything. I wear 6E shoes, not because my foot is
exceptionally wide, rather because my instep is very high. There are
very few shoe brands that leave enough material to get around my foot.

So we'll have to add a few numbers to the shoe designation. No matter
the system, there will always be people who have difficult feet to fit.
My intention is to be able to measure the foot using standardized units
rather than some number and a width code that means "doesn't not fit bad
enough to do something about it."

I think the numbers are standard, however the numbers you want to add,
aren't. These really change the fit.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:47:50 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 5:54 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
John McCoy wrote in
:


Probably worth noting (since we're all dudes here) that this
is something women have suffered with for years. No two makers
of ladieswear use quite the same set of sizes - my girlfriend
can be a 4, 6, or 8, a XS, S, or M, and never knows until she
starts trying stuff on.

John


It's the same way with shoes. People keep insisting shoe sizes are the
same, but that just doesn't match my reality. I just sent back a size 9
boot to trade for an 8.5, but I have a 9.5 shoe that fits perfectly. The
boots I'm wearing now are 10's.

If I had my way about it, the foot would be measured and the shoe would
be specified to fit the measurements of the foot.

You CAN have your foot measured and a boot or shoe made to fit but I
don't think you would want to pay the price, at least $500, add another
thousand for boots.

It still wouldn't fit. The measurements are incomplete.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:54:45 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 7:38 PM, Markem wrote:
Snip


concerned.

My remembrance of Sears from childhood was walk into the Golf Mill
anchor and getting warm roasted cashews.



I remember the popcorn smell in Sears.

I remember the smell in Harbor Freight, too. It's not popcorn! ;-)

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:05:54 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 6:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/6/2017 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:


Not to disparage you guys, but you are basically saying Sears should
have been able to predict the future. Everything would be better if
we could all do that. Sears did not predict the future so they did
not use their catalog business to become the major retail seller of
the future. If that is the logic you are using then we are all idiots
because we did not invent Apple before Jobs and Wozniak did in 1976.
Why didn't you know computers and mobile phones and online was the
future? Are you stupid? Who sitting here today knew that buying
stuff from home using a computer was the future? Shopping in stores
was out?


I think you hit the nail on the head.

Monday morning quarter backing is easy but non provable.

No, this is not Monday morning, it is 16 years too late. Amazon stated
in 1994. Sears let many Mondays pass and is still not an internet
presence. They (and many others) ignored what was going on around them.

Auto dealers were losing ground and finally caught on a few years back.
My last car was bought at a dealer in 15 minutes after using on line
sources to get the best price. I sat down with the salesman he made an
offer. I told him what the numbers had to be and he said "no". I
showed him the numbers on my phone and in two minutes he met the deal.
The horseless carriage was just a novelty, as was the telephone,
television and most every advance and new technology.

I think you might have just caught on to the car buying technique. I
bought our Chevy PU that way, in 1997. And I had the deal before I
walked in the dealership.

I still have to test drive the vehicle and go through closing, I wish
that only took 15 minutes.

Two of my employers (one I retired from and the other is my current
employer) have deals with all of the auto manufacturers, known as the
"X-Plan" (manufacturer emplyees get "A-Plan" and dealer employees get
a B-Plan, both of which are even better deals). Essentially, the
X-Plan deal is what the dealer pays for the car, including all dealer
incentives. If I select the plan, the dealer isn't part of the deal
anymore but is paid a fee by the manufacturer for the paperwork. Even
the sales person is paid by the manufacturer. The dealer can opt out
of the X-Plan but if they participate, they can't discriminate. Their
entire inventory is available. Well, in theory...


I'm going to check out them new fax machines. I understand you can send
copies of things in minutes to another machine.

LOL.... I remember about 20 years ago wondering why FAX was still being
used over e-mail. Only now is Fax falling to e-mail and PDF's.

There are legal reasons for this.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:09:23 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 11:06 PM, wrote:
Snip


When the future was already happening around them they still did
nothing. Yes, that is stupid. Even WalMart was late to the e-commerce
game and recently invested in (bought?) jet.com so they can catch up.
Check out the JC Penney web site to see a useless disaster. Sears is
just a link for items sold by others.

JCPenney has been a zombie for a decade or more. They were losing
money because people figured out that you don't buy anything there at
full price - wait for the sale. A new CEO decided to change that, so
get rid of all the sales. ...and the customers, too.


Strange how that did not work for JCP but works for BB&B. We never buy
anything at BB&B with out a 20% off coupon.

Ditto. The difference is that BBY paces customers with the coupons.
Also, there are *big* limitations on those coupons. Look at the
exclusions, sometime.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:13:21 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 9:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/6/2017 7:33 PM, wrote:

From past experience, B&D could be the death knell for Craftsman. The
only thing B&D does well is marketing.


According to the news they paid $900million for it


And while that might sound like a lot, I think 3 or 4 quarterly losses
out of the past 20 quarterly losses would eat that 900 million up.

Every town does not need multiple stores, get rid of the overages.
I'm sure Sears will still profit from Craftsman sales and probably not
as much but a store that is loosing money tends to stay that way and
mostly because of over saturation. I go to stores farther away as the
same brand that are closer stores very often.

Sears certainly isn't over-saturated in Atlanta. I think there are
only seven stores in the entire metro area (none in this area). Hell,
there are three HomeDepots and two Lowes within 15 miles of me. The
Lowes are all right across the street from the HDs, too. Oh, there
are two HFs in the same area. ;-)

On 1/7/17 10:21 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:54:45 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/6/2017 7:38 PM, Markem wrote: Snip


concerned.

My remembrance of Sears from childhood was walk into the Golf
Mill anchor and getting warm roasted cashews.



I remember the popcorn smell in Sears.

I remember the smell in Harbor Freight, too. It's not popcorn! ;-)


HA! Ain't that the truth.
That unique combined smell of rust prevention oil and Chinese rubber.
I bought a dolly from there once and made the mistake of keeping it in
the house overnight. It's a having a dog-- once it's in the house you
will never get ride of that smell. :-)


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On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:27:34 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 11:21 PM, wrote:
On 06 Jan 2017 03:41:11 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:


What value? Liability for rent I can see but the era of the mall is
over.

Going back some years we used to go to the mall a couple of times a
month to shop, maybe have lunch or at least a snack. I bet it has
been 3 years since I set foot in a mall, but less than a week since I
made a purchase on line. Sales on line are up 17% last year according
to NBC news.

Amazon also lets me place orders in my underwear. Macy's frowns upon
it.

Malls are now all about the shallow side of the human: cell phones,
clothes, etc. The stores that capture and captivate your attention are
rare. There used to be a Radioshack in every mall (you've got questions,
we've got cell phones!), as well as a KB Toys. Some still have
bookstores, but even they are going to standalone stores.

In Houston we still have a few malls that you would dare step foot into
but the enclosed shopping concept is loosing favor to the large strip
centers. The problem with malls is that you don't know where to park
and you cannot walk directly into the store you want to go to. A mall
is like going to Ikea.

Again, I think the difference is weather. In the North, mega-malls
are still popular because one can get out and walk in the Winter
without freezing. In the South, this isn't a problem even in the
Summer.

Don't understand your Ikea reference. We have a store but parking is
trivial. It's all in the basement levels of the store (two levels of
parking and two of store). We've only been there twice in the five
years we've been here (don't like driving on the streets in large
cities) but we just happened to be there a couple of weeks ago.

" wrote in
:

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 6:13:15 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

But K-Mart bought Sears. Double albatross. K-Mart was always a
discounter but maybe 10 or so years ago they seemed to carry cheaper,
lower quality merchandise.

I'm not positive exactly how the K-Mart Sears combination occurred.
Eddie Lampert the investor hedge fund manager bought one or the other.
Then decided to buy the other. Mainly for the real estate assets.
Not the retail sales. So you cannot say Sears or K-Mart bought the
other.

Basically the sequence of events was that K-Mart went bankrupt,
and Lampert bought a bunch of their debt for pennies on the
dollar, and converted that to equity to take control of the
company. At the same time K-Mart used the bankruptcy to get
out of a bunch of leases and other ongoing expenses, so when
they came out of bankruptcy their finances actually looked
pretty good (anyone who looked closely would see they had
little future, but for the moment it looked good).

Lampert then used K-Mart's now-good credit line and cash on
hand to buy Sears, and then restructured everything to make
Sears the dominant partner (at which point everyone realized
that K-Mart had no future, and had second thoughts about the
credit that had been extended to them).

At least, that's how I remember it - I had friends doing MBAs
at the time, and they studied it all pretty deeply.

John

On 1/7/2017 9:57 AM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 4:52 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/6/2017 3:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure out
"how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has moved
on and the real competition is the likes of Dollar General
(and, of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony earphones. Amazon
doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus shipping. I finally found them
online at Walmart for $14 and free shipping. Walmart knows whats up,
and if Amazon isn't careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.




Not everything purchased through Amazon is supplied or sold by Amazon.

Amazon sells it for someone else. Some is stocked by Amazon, some is
not. It is all sold via Amazon.

Yes, but sold by and via are different. You mentioned that Amazon
doubled the price. Perhaps I should have understood that to say the the
price "on" Amazon doubled vs. Amazon doubled the price.



There are thousands of retailers selling their goods on Amazon and they
ship direct from their stores, and they have all different prices and
many are not even in the ball park of being competitively priced.

Yes, same as Walmart. I bought my earphones via Walmart but they were
sold by someone else. In other words, Walmart has figured it out, Sears
has not, and Amazon best watch their butt, or will be toast, just like
Sears. If Amazon lets their retailers sell stuff at twice the price
Walmart retailers charge, what do you think will happen?

Well actually Sears does the same, they show products sold by other
retailers. I was going to buy a Bosch laser measure and the retailer
selling through Sears web site was the least expensive. I still bought
from Amazon at a slightly higher price. I have heard of Amazon's
retailer, I have not heard of the retailer going through Sears.
there are 5 different retailers on this Sears site for Bosch laser measures.
http://www.sears.com/search=bosch%20laser%20measure


But Amazon has many prices on many of the same items, choose the
retailer that has the best price and a satisfaction rating for that
retailer you are most comfortable with.
IMHO the best of both worlds.


I once bought a lathe chuck from Amazon, when it came, it was in a
Harbor Freight box and had the Harbor Freight number on it. I stuck the
number in at HF site and up popped the exact same item for 30% less.
Made me chuckle as it was still cheap, but smart dude figured out to
list the item on Amazon and buy them at HF. He probably just ordered
from HF and had it sent to me, don't recall, but shows it pays not to
trust Amazon, not something a retailer should promote.


I can assure you that the HF chuck can be bought elsewhere and a price
less than HF. The part number may be slightly different but none the
less rolled off of the same factory line.

Back in the 70's through the early 80's I ran the parts departments for
a large Oldsmobile and Isuzu dealership. I bought genuine GM parts
directly from GM and through out side sources. I always paid less for
the same parts by buying from the outside sources that directly from GM.
And on top of that the out side sources bought directly from GM too.
I later went went to work as the GM of one of those outside sources.

On 07 Jan 2017 15:59:03 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:


I find that to be true most of the time but it is often worth checking
things out. I recently bought a Citizen watch and checked Amazon but
found it at others. You can also see why I don't go to the mall any
more to shop at Zales and the like.

Jonashop $187
Amazon $278
Jet.com $218
Zales, on line or in store $375


Copy and paste the Amazon URL into camelcamelcamel.com

You'll get a price history (they don't track everything) and you can see
where the average price is and whether or not you're in a sudden uptick
in price.

Good point. Also note that not everyone gets the same price on
Amazon. I read something a while back that the price can change based
on your shopping history, address, and even the browser you're using.

Jack wrote in news
I once bought a lathe chuck from Amazon, when it came, it was in a
Harbor Freight box and had the Harbor Freight number on it. I stuck
the number in at HF site and up popped the exact same item for 30%
less. Made me chuckle as it was still cheap, but smart dude figured
out to list the item on Amazon and buy them at HF.

This happens on Ebay all the time - people buy HF stuff and
sell it at a higher price. Apparently there's a big enough
market of people who've never been in a HF store or seen one
of their advertisements to make it profitable.

John

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 10:57:39 -0500, Jack wrote:

On 1/6/2017 4:52 PM, Leon wrote:
On 1/6/2017 3:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure out
"how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has moved
on and the real competition is the likes of Dollar General
(and, of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony earphones. Amazon
doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus shipping. I finally found them
online at Walmart for $14 and free shipping. Walmart knows whats up,
and if Amazon isn't careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.




Not everything purchased through Amazon is supplied or sold by Amazon.

Amazon sells it for someone else. Some is stocked by Amazon, some is
not. It is all sold via Amazon.

Well, duh!

There are thousands of retailers selling their goods on Amazon and they
ship direct from their stores, and they have all different prices and
many are not even in the ball park of being competitively priced.

Yes, same as Walmart. I bought my earphones via Walmart but they were
sold by someone else. In other words, Walmart has figured it out, Sears
has not, and Amazon best watch their butt, or will be toast, just like
Sears. If Amazon lets their retailers sell stuff at twice the price
Walmart retailers charge, what do you think will happen?

"Lets"?

I once bought a lathe chuck from Amazon, when it came, it was in a
Harbor Freight box and had the Harbor Freight number on it. I stuck the
number in at HF site and up popped the exact same item for 30% less.
Made me chuckle as it was still cheap, but smart dude figured out to
list the item on Amazon and buy them at HF. He probably just ordered
from HF and had it sent to me, don't recall, but shows it pays not to
trust Amazon, not something a retailer should promote.

If you "trust" any retailer, you're dumber than a stump. If they
misrepresent a product, shame on them. If you don't do your research,
shame on you.

On 1/7/2017 10:17 AM, wrote:
Snip



Are you really saving when you spend over $100 to join prime?
In my case I don't watch much TV, so I wouldn't benefit by the TV shows.

Most TV shows are available online, anyway. Our DVR often screws up
so we just go to the network's on demand site and watch. The only
down side is that fast-forward doesn't work.

I prefer to spend it in the shop. I guess my wife would watch, but my
high speed is limited to 6mb as I live out in the boonies.

We just got AT&T Uverse this year. Before that we had AT&T DSL
(*maybe* 6Mb but usually no more than 3Mb), so I feel your pain. BTW,
Uverse is far from perfect. It just stops for a few seconds, fairly
often. TV stuff is buffered enough that it isn't affected much but
streaming on the computer or audio has real problems.

There may be a fix. ;~)
When we moved into the home we had build 6 years ago we switched to
Uverse TV, phone and internet.
Service was so unreliable that many on our block dropped Uverse when it
went out for the 3rd time for 4 straight days. We dropped the TV and
eventually the phone. The Uverse DVR does not work like most DVR's,
when the service goes down you loose use of recordings in addition to
the internet and phone.

Anyway I had a problem with our internet service through Uverse and the
repair guy come out to fix their problem. I mentioned that the TV often
stopped and he said it was the box on the outside of out house that was
the problem but they would not repair that. The box was only 5 years
old at the time. He did say that I could have the box replaced for free
if I simply upgraded my internet speed to above 24 gig IIRC. The faster
speeds required the latest versions of the "box". He indicated that I
could upgrade the speed for a month and change back to my previous
speed. He stressed that your contract dies not dictate the speed only
that you continue service. I was out of contract anyway but it was good
to know.
I did upgrade my speed to what they now call Fiber at 300 gig and the
box was replaced at no extra charge. Very fast and no more TV stopping
for a few seconds.
Unfortunately for us the internet being 20 times faster than our
previous speed is pretty much wasted unless checking my internet speed
on a speed test. If we download a TV show through DirecTV it takes a
long time still. You still have to wait a little while so that it
does not buffer. An On Demand movie might be faster.

Down loading large software updates or programs happens in a snap
however. And for a whole my up load was 300gig also they have throttled
that back to about 75. I don't see the difference between 300 and 75.
It is like trying to distinguish the difference between 1 second and a
quarter second.


Any way........ If you can get the newer box your hesitation may stop.









I have noticed that with my son's Prime there are a lot of items that
are ineligible to add to your cart on prime.. meaning you have to add
more items before they will ship that on prime.. I would have to look
back on my purchases to around april last year, but I had to pad an
order for them to ship cerain things even through prime. Even though I
had spent enough, those items did not add to the total b4 shipping. WTF!!!

I do think the 2 day is nice, he ordered a bunch of stuff for Christmas
and had it shipped here. Often it came before 8:30 in the morn.
Sometimes b4 8.

On 1/7/2017 9:54 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:


You CAN have your foot measured and a boot or shoe made to fit but I
don't think you would want to pay the price, at least $500, add
another thousand for boots.



I have a tape measure. Tell me how long and how wide your shoes are at key
points and I'll measure my own foot. Use inches or centimeters, at least
they're standardized the world over.

Puckdropper



;~) There is more to having a shoe/boot custom made than the
length/width of your foot.


I doubt a shoe maker will make a shoe from your measurements unless you
prepay and with no guarantee that the shoe will fit.

For a boot, the size of your calf is measured.

On 1/7/2017 10:57 AM, Jack wrote:




Not everything purchased through Amazon is supplied or sold by Amazon.

Amazon sells it for someone else. Some is stocked by Amazon, some is
not. It is all sold via Amazon.

There are thousands of retailers selling their goods on Amazon and they
ship direct from their stores, and they have all different prices and
many are not even in the ball park of being competitively priced.

Yes, same as Walmart. I bought my earphones via Walmart but they were
sold by someone else. In other words, Walmart has figured it out, Sears
has not, and Amazon best watch their butt, or will be toast, just like
Sears. If Amazon lets their retailers sell stuff at twice the price
Walmart retailers charge, what do you think will happen?

I once bought a lathe chuck from Amazon, when it came, it was in a
Harbor Freight box and had the Harbor Freight number on it. I stuck the
number in at HF site and up popped the exact same item for 30% less.
Made me chuckle as it was still cheap, but smart dude figured out to
list the item on Amazon and buy them at HF. He probably just ordered
from HF and had it sent to me, don't recall, but shows it pays not to
trust Amazon, not something a retailer should promote.


My wife wanted something from Wayfair. Price looked OK, but i checked
Amazon. It was $20 less and shipped from Wayfair.

On 1/7/2017 10:21 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:54:45 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 7:38 PM, Markem wrote:
Snip


concerned.

My remembrance of Sears from childhood was walk into the Golf Mill
anchor and getting warm roasted cashews.



I remember the popcorn smell in Sears.

I remember the smell in Harbor Freight, too. It's not popcorn! ;-)



LOL, That is a unique smell created by a highly guarded secret.

On 1/7/2017 10:54 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Jack wrote in news
I once bought a lathe chuck from Amazon, when it came, it was in a
Harbor Freight box and had the Harbor Freight number on it. I stuck
the number in at HF site and up popped the exact same item for 30%
less. Made me chuckle as it was still cheap, but smart dude figured
out to list the item on Amazon and buy them at HF.

This happens on Ebay all the time - people buy HF stuff and
sell it at a higher price. Apparently there's a big enough
market of people who've never been in a HF store or seen one
of their advertisements to make it profitable.

John



Precisely and some people will pay extra just to avoid the HF store
smell.. ;~)

On 1/7/2017 11:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/7/2017 10:57 AM, Jack wrote:




Not everything purchased through Amazon is supplied or sold by Amazon.

Amazon sells it for someone else. Some is stocked by Amazon, some is
not. It is all sold via Amazon.

There are thousands of retailers selling their goods on Amazon and they
ship direct from their stores, and they have all different prices and
many are not even in the ball park of being competitively priced.

Yes, same as Walmart. I bought my earphones via Walmart but they were
sold by someone else. In other words, Walmart has figured it out, Sears
has not, and Amazon best watch their butt, or will be toast, just like
Sears. If Amazon lets their retailers sell stuff at twice the price
Walmart retailers charge, what do you think will happen?

I once bought a lathe chuck from Amazon, when it came, it was in a
Harbor Freight box and had the Harbor Freight number on it. I stuck the
number in at HF site and up popped the exact same item for 30% less.
Made me chuckle as it was still cheap, but smart dude figured out to
list the item on Amazon and buy them at HF. He probably just ordered
from HF and had it sent to me, don't recall, but shows it pays not to
trust Amazon, not something a retailer should promote.


My wife wanted something from Wayfair. Price looked OK, but i checked
Amazon. It was $20 less and shipped from Wayfair.

Rockler and Woodcraft do this too. ;~)

On 1/7/2017 10:37 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:13:21 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 9:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/6/2017 7:33 PM, wrote:

From past experience, B&D could be the death knell for Craftsman. The
only thing B&D does well is marketing.


According to the news they paid $900million for it


And while that might sound like a lot, I think 3 or 4 quarterly losses
out of the past 20 quarterly losses would eat that 900 million up.

Every town does not need multiple stores, get rid of the overages.
I'm sure Sears will still profit from Craftsman sales and probably not
as much but a store that is loosing money tends to stay that way and
mostly because of over saturation. I go to stores farther away as the
same brand that are closer stores very often.

Sears certainly isn't over-saturated in Atlanta. I think there are
only seven stores in the entire metro area (none in this area). Hell,
there are three HomeDepots and two Lowes within 15 miles of me. The
Lowes are all right across the street from the HDs, too. Oh, there
are two HFs in the same area. ;-)


It all depends on the location and the competition if you are over
saturated. IIRC in the Houston are there are only 5 large Sears stores
left. IMHO that is too many as the 3 closest to me are pretty much
empty every time I go in.
BUT In Houston there are also many like alternatives. Macy's, JCP and
none seem to be doing enough business to remain open. So that sector in
the Houston is overly saturated. Not to mention that there are probably
thousands of strip centers in the Houston metro area that offer almost
the same thing as the department stores like Sears.

On 1/7/2017 10:32 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:09:23 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 11:06 PM, wrote:
Snip


When the future was already happening around them they still did
nothing. Yes, that is stupid. Even WalMart was late to the e-commerce
game and recently invested in (bought?) jet.com so they can catch up.
Check out the JC Penney web site to see a useless disaster. Sears is
just a link for items sold by others.

JCPenney has been a zombie for a decade or more. They were losing
money because people figured out that you don't buy anything there at
full price - wait for the sale. A new CEO decided to change that, so
get rid of all the sales. ...and the customers, too.


Strange how that did not work for JCP but works for BB&B. We never buy
anything at BB&B with out a 20% off coupon.

Ditto. The difference is that BBY paces customers with the coupons.
Also, there are *big* limitations on those coupons. Look at the
exclusions, sometime.



I get BB&B 20% coupons every day through e-mail and the only limitation
I have run into is that the coupon is good for one item per coupon, most
of the time.

On 1/7/2017 10:44 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:27:34 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 11:21 PM, wrote:
On 06 Jan 2017 03:41:11 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:


What value? Liability for rent I can see but the era of the mall is
over.

Going back some years we used to go to the mall a couple of times a
month to shop, maybe have lunch or at least a snack. I bet it has
been 3 years since I set foot in a mall, but less than a week since I
made a purchase on line. Sales on line are up 17% last year according
to NBC news.

Amazon also lets me place orders in my underwear. Macy's frowns upon
it.

Malls are now all about the shallow side of the human: cell phones,
clothes, etc. The stores that capture and captivate your attention are
rare. There used to be a Radioshack in every mall (you've got questions,
we've got cell phones!), as well as a KB Toys. Some still have
bookstores, but even they are going to standalone stores.

In Houston we still have a few malls that you would dare step foot into
but the enclosed shopping concept is loosing favor to the large strip
centers. The problem with malls is that you don't know where to park
and you cannot walk directly into the store you want to go to. A mall
is like going to Ikea.

Again, I think the difference is weather. In the North, mega-malls
are still popular because one can get out and walk in the Winter
without freezing. In the South, this isn't a problem even in the
Summer.

You think? LOL In the south we do not relish going from from store in
100 degree heat. I really don't like to park anywhere except in front
of the store I want to go into.

I do see the mall as being a benefit when there is snow on the ground.
FWIW it was 19 degrees here this morning, while a norm for you northern
folks, you probably were not at 84 degrees earlier in the week or
expecting to be back near 80 on Wednesday. That is about a 120 degree
temp swing in a week.


Don't understand your Ikea reference. We have a store but parking is
trivial. It's all in the basement levels of the store (two levels of
parking and two of store). We've only been there twice in the five
years we've been here (don't like driving on the streets in large
cities) but we just happened to be there a couple of weeks ago.

Ikwa is not designed for the customer to walk in, go straight to what he
wants, and straight to the registers. Ikea's here pretty much force you
to walk through the whole store, a very convoluted path to get out.

wrote in
:

On 07 Jan 2017 10:36:28 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
So we'll have to add a few numbers to the shoe designation. No matter
the system, there will always be people who have difficult feet to
fit. My intention is to be able to measure the foot using
standardized units rather than some number and a width code that means
"doesn't not fit bad enough to do something about it."

I think the numbers are standard, however the numbers you want to add,
aren't. These really change the fit.

Sizes aren't standard. Maybe they are in certain sizes, but they are
most definitely not standardized in the length my foot is. It is all
across the board: one 9 boot was too long, but a 10 from another company
is correct. A 9.5 shoe is also right. Oh, and I've got a 10 from the
same company that's also the same length as the 9.5.

All I want is a system that's consistent or at the very least based upon
measuring the foot at key points so I can measure those key points on my
feet and buy a pair of shoes without the whole "will it fit?" game.

Puckdropper
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A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

On 1/7/2017 3:59 PM, Puckdropper wrote:

I think the numbers are standard, however the numbers you want to add,
aren't. These really change the fit.

Sizes aren't standard. Maybe they are in certain sizes, but they are
most definitely not standardized in the length my foot is. It is all
across the board: one 9 boot was too long, but a 10 from another company
is correct. A 9.5 shoe is also right. Oh, and I've got a 10 from the
same company that's also the same length as the 9.5.

All I want is a system that's consistent or at the very least based upon
measuring the foot at key points so I can measure those key points on my
feet and buy a pair of shoes without the whole "will it fit?" game.

Puckdropper


I've never found that variation. I'd been wearing the same size, 10 1/2
3E for decades across different brands of shoe and sneaker. You may
have some other attribute that causes your problem. Toe shape, arch,
instep are factors that shoe shape and style do not account for in sizing.

You also have to consider manufacturing tolerance and your normal body
variation during the day. A 1/8" variation is not out of the question.

On 1/7/2017 3:24 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/7/2017 3:59 PM, Puckdropper wrote:

I think the numbers are standard, however the numbers you want to add,
aren't. These really change the fit.

Sizes aren't standard. Maybe they are in certain sizes, but they are
most definitely not standardized in the length my foot is. It is all
across the board: one 9 boot was too long, but a 10 from another company
is correct. A 9.5 shoe is also right. Oh, and I've got a 10 from the
same company that's also the same length as the 9.5.

All I want is a system that's consistent or at the very least based upon
measuring the foot at key points so I can measure those key points on my
feet and buy a pair of shoes without the whole "will it fit?" game.

Puckdropper


I've never found that variation. I'd been wearing the same size, 10 1/2
3E for decades across different brands of shoe and sneaker. You may
have some other attribute that causes your problem. Toe shape, arch,
instep are factors that shoe shape and style do not account for in sizing.

You also have to consider manufacturing tolerance and your normal body
variation during the day. A 1/8" variation is not out of the question.


I have seen the size differences. I wear a 12.
In a Nacona boot, a 10 1/2

On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 00:16:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 18:09:06 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:44:02 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

I don't know how much real estate Sears owns, but mall space is
usually leased. They may have more liability to the end of the lease
that what the space is worth.

Today Sears directly owns virtually no real estate, since
they restructured most of it into an REIT (which they still
mostly own, so indirectly they own the real estate). I have
read that around 1/3 of their stores were owned, rather than
leased.

I agree that retail will never disappear, but look around at how much
empty space is available. how many malls have empty spots? I know of
three stip malls built about 8 or 9 years ago. One is 100% empty, the
other two are 75% empty.

Two different expressions of the same problem...for big malls,
they got way over built in the 80's, and that situation is
slowly correcting itself. Around here about half the malls
that existed in the 80's have been torn down or repurposed,
the remaining half are doing well, since supply now matches
demand (more or less).

Strip malls are cyclical - there will be a shortage of strip
mall space, and several developers will rush in to build new
ones at the same time. Then there's a glut, and most of the
new space sits empty. Eventually demand will catch up with
supply, and then a new set of developers will build a new
surplus of strip space to sit empty for 3 or 4 years.

John
Around here the new ones fill up - and the old ones sit empty -----

I wonder how many of the "old ones" are filled with asbestos.
Not many. They are not THAT "old".

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 23:22:41 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 1/6/17 10:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 19:34:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:52:47 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 1/6/2017 3:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure out
"how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has moved on
and the real competition is the likes of Dollar General (and,
of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony
earphones. Amazon doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus
shipping. I finally found them online at Walmart for $14 and
free shipping. Walmart knows whats up, and if Amazon isn't
careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.




Not everything purchased through Amazon is supplied or sold by
Amazon. There are thousands of retailers selling their goods on
Amazon and they ship direct from their stores, and they have all
different prices and many are not even in the ball park of being
competitively priced.
But being aligned with Amazon, the (sheeple) public are convinced
they are getting the deal of the century - just because they bought
it online from Amazon - - - - - - .

Sure. Sometimes paying the $13 is less painful than spending a day
finding the cheapest price.


Not only that, but many times you do indeed get the best price.
If you happen to be within a certain distance of a warehouse you can get
same day delivery.
I had a friend who ordered a printer and had it delivered to his door
two hours later.
He went on Amazon and spent about 15 minutes finding the printer he
needed at the best price, hit a button and had it on his door step 2
hours later.
He could've spent two hours driving around town, from store to store,
wasting gas, wasting time, getting ****ed off in traffic, and gotten the
same printer, maybe at the same price.
But no, he was sitting at home, in his studio, making money, no gas, no
driving, no frustration, and the printer was at his front door in two
hours.

In a way Amazon is merging new school and old school. There was a time
when groceries and drug stores, and appliance stores delivered things to
your home and it was considered normal. Amazon is bringing that back
along with everything that is new in technology and consumerism.
That only works if you are just down the road from an Amazon
warehouse. They'd need a cruise missile to get a printer to me in 2
hours. I can usually count on 3 days for a "fast" delivery if it is
coming from Canada - a week if it has to cross the border.

On 1/7/17 3:43 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 23:22:41 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 1/6/17 10:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 19:34:58 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 15:52:47 -0600, Leon
lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/6/2017 3:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On 1/6/2017 10:57 AM, John McCoy wrote:

I think Sears will go out of business shortly.

I agree with you. I don't think they have a clue how to
solve their problems - they're still trying to figure
out "how do we compete with Walmart", when the world has
moved on and the real competition is the likes of Dollar
General (and, of course, Amazon).

I recently mentioned I was looking to replace my Sony
earphones. Amazon doubled the price from $14 to $27, plus
shipping. I finally found them online at Walmart for $14
and free shipping. Walmart knows whats up, and if Amazon
isn't careful, it will be in the bag with Sears/Kmart.




Not everything purchased through Amazon is supplied or sold
by Amazon. There are thousands of retailers selling their
goods on Amazon and they ship direct from their stores, and
they have all different prices and many are not even in the
ball park of being competitively priced.
But being aligned with Amazon, the (sheeple) public are
convinced they are getting the deal of the century - just
because they bought it online from Amazon - - - - - - .

Sure. Sometimes paying the $13 is less painful than spending a
day finding the cheapest price.


Not only that, but many times you do indeed get the best price. If
you happen to be within a certain distance of a warehouse you can
get same day delivery. I had a friend who ordered a printer and had
it delivered to his door two hours later. He went on Amazon and
spent about 15 minutes finding the printer he needed at the best
price, hit a button and had it on his door step 2 hours later. He
could've spent two hours driving around town, from store to store,
wasting gas, wasting time, getting ****ed off in traffic, and
gotten the same printer, maybe at the same price. But no, he was
sitting at home, in his studio, making money, no gas, no driving,
no frustration, and the printer was at his front door in two
hours.

In a way Amazon is merging new school and old school. There was a
time when groceries and drug stores, and appliance stores delivered
things to your home and it was considered normal. Amazon is
bringing that back along with everything that is new in technology
and consumerism.
That only works if you are just down the road from an Amazon
warehouse. They'd need a cruise missile to get a printer to me in 2
hours. I can usually count on 3 days for a "fast" delivery if it is
coming from Canada - a week if it has to cross the border.


Correct, it's different for different areas.
Keep in mind, though, that the way Amazon is expanding, a year or two
from now you might have the same experience that we do.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:x9mdneNfKupBnuzFnZ2dnUU7-
:

LOL.... I remember about 20 years ago wondering why FAX was still being
used over e-mail. Only now is Fax falling to e-mail and PDF's.

Mostly because of Asians. Ideographic languages like Chinese,
Japanese, and Korean, with thousands of characters, don't
lend themselves to being typed into emails. So "hand written
then faxed" messages remained the norm there until quite recently.

John

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:38:40 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/7/2017 10:54 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Jack wrote in news
I once bought a lathe chuck from Amazon, when it came, it was in a
Harbor Freight box and had the Harbor Freight number on it. I stuck
the number in at HF site and up popped the exact same item for 30%
less. Made me chuckle as it was still cheap, but smart dude figured
out to list the item on Amazon and buy them at HF.

This happens on Ebay all the time - people buy HF stuff and
sell it at a higher price. Apparently there's a big enough
market of people who've never been in a HF store or seen one
of their advertisements to make it profitable.

John



Precisely and some people will pay extra just to avoid the HF store
smell.. ;~)

Nah, once they open the box their house will have the same smell.

On 1/7/2017 4:18 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in news:x9mdneNfKupBnuzFnZ2dnUU7-
:

LOL.... I remember about 20 years ago wondering why FAX was still being
used over e-mail. Only now is Fax falling to e-mail and PDF's.

Mostly because of Asians. Ideographic languages like Chinese,
Japanese, and Korean, with thousands of characters, don't
lend themselves to being typed into emails. So "hand written
then faxed" messages remained the norm there until quite recently.

John



An attorney friend mentioned to me, about 18 years ago, that FAX was the
only form of electronic document transfer that was recognized as
acceptable in the American Law system.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:13:45 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 1/7/2017 10:17 AM, wrote:
Snip



Are you really saving when you spend over $100 to join prime?
In my case I don't watch much TV, so I wouldn't benefit by the TV shows.

Most TV shows are available online, anyway. Our DVR often screws up
so we just go to the network's on demand site and watch. The only
down side is that fast-forward doesn't work.

I prefer to spend it in the shop. I guess my wife would watch, but my
high speed is limited to 6mb as I live out in the boonies.

We just got AT&T Uverse this year. Before that we had AT&T DSL
(*maybe* 6Mb but usually no more than 3Mb), so I feel your pain. BTW,
Uverse is far from perfect. It just stops for a few seconds, fairly
often. TV stuff is buffered enough that it isn't affected much but
streaming on the computer or audio has real problems.

There may be a fix. ;~)
When we moved into the home we had build 6 years ago we switched to
Uverse TV, phone and internet.
Service was so unreliable that many on our block dropped Uverse when it
went out for the 3rd time for 4 straight days. We dropped the TV and
eventually the phone. The Uverse DVR does not work like most DVR's,
when the service goes down you loose use of recordings in addition to
the internet and phone.

The Comcast DVR I had for the short time I was in an appartment was
the same.

Anyway I had a problem with our internet service through Uverse and the
repair guy come out to fix their problem. I mentioned that the TV often
stopped and he said it was the box on the outside of out house that was
the problem but they would not repair that. The box was only 5 years
old at the time. He did say that I could have the box replaced for free
if I simply upgraded my internet speed to above 24 gig IIRC. The faster
speeds required the latest versions of the "box". He indicated that I
could upgrade the speed for a month and change back to my previous
speed. He stressed that your contract dies not dictate the speed only
that you continue service. I was out of contract anyway but it was good
to know.

All of our hardware is new. They just installed the fiber a couple of
years ago and just allowed us to connect in '16. All of our hardware
has been replaced (some of it, twice) since then, too.

I did upgrade my speed to what they now call Fiber at 300 gig and the
box was replaced at no extra charge. Very fast and no more TV stopping
for a few seconds.
Unfortunately for us the internet being 20 times faster than our
previous speed is pretty much wasted unless checking my internet speed
on a speed test. If we download a TV show through DirecTV it takes a
long time still. You still have to wait a little while so that it
does not buffer. An On Demand movie might be faster.

Down loading large software updates or programs happens in a snap
however. And for a whole my up load was 300gig also they have throttled
that back to about 75. I don't see the difference between 300 and 75.
It is like trying to distinguish the difference between 1 second and a
quarter second.


Any way........ If you can get the newer box your hesitation may stop.

They've been in the house at least six times in the eight months, or
so, that we've had the service. Most of the problems didn't relate to
the Internet but everything was new and has been replaced at least
once.



I have noticed that with my son's Prime there are a lot of items that
are ineligible to add to your cart on prime.. meaning you have to add
more items before they will ship that on prime.. I would have to look
back on my purchases to around april last year, but I had to pad an
order for them to ship cerain things even through prime. Even though I
had spent enough, those items did not add to the total b4 shipping. WTF!!!

I do think the 2 day is nice, he ordered a bunch of stuff for Christmas
and had it shipped here. Often it came before 8:30 in the morn.
Sometimes b4 8.

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 16:24:05 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/7/2017 3:59 PM, Puckdropper wrote:

I think the numbers are standard, however the numbers you want to add,
aren't. These really change the fit.

Sizes aren't standard. Maybe they are in certain sizes, but they are
most definitely not standardized in the length my foot is. It is all
across the board: one 9 boot was too long, but a 10 from another company
is correct. A 9.5 shoe is also right. Oh, and I've got a 10 from the
same company that's also the same length as the 9.5.

All I want is a system that's consistent or at the very least based upon
measuring the foot at key points so I can measure those key points on my
feet and buy a pair of shoes without the whole "will it fit?" game.

Puckdropper


I've never found that variation. I'd been wearing the same size, 10 1/2
3E for decades across different brands of shoe and sneaker. You may
have some other attribute that causes your problem. Toe shape, arch,
instep are factors that shoe shape and style do not account for in sizing.

That's what I've found.

You also have to consider manufacturing tolerance and your normal body
variation during the day. A 1/8" variation is not out of the question.