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I've seen that a couple times before.
Looks impressive, but every time I watch the videos it doesn't seem to
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What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but
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What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but
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From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers are
for...

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What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but
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From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers
are for...

No kidding. I see sledge hammers being used to remove old kitchen
cabinets. I have renovated a few kitchens and felt it was much easier
to remove 2~4 attachment screws, per cabinet, and carry the cabinet out
whole. They still have to remove the attachment screws when destroying
the cabinets.


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I totally fail to see any practical application for it.
It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category
of solutions looking for a problem.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8


I totally fail to see any practical application for it.
It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category
of solutions looking for a problem.

John


They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at
conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously
the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the
fasteners are located.
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On 10/27/2015 10:24 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8


I totally fail to see any practical application for it.
It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category
of solutions looking for a problem.

John


They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at
conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously
the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the
fasteners are located.


I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a
stairway banister together.
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On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8

What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but
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Knowing my typical joinery method (glue) wouldn't help them very much.
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On 10/27/2015 10:24 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Jim wrote in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8

I totally fail to see any practical application for it.
It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category
of solutions looking for a problem.

John


They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at
conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously
the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the
fasteners are located.


I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a
stairway banister together.



Yeah I saw that on TOH several years ago. One has to wonder how tight
the connection can be, the force of a magnet is about all the force that
there is to turn the screw.


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On 10/27/2015 8:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news
On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8

What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but
doesn't know about your joinery method?


From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers
are for...

No kidding. I see sledge hammers being used to remove old kitchen
cabinets. I have renovated a few kitchens and felt it was much easier
to remove 2~4 attachment screws, per cabinet, and carry the cabinet out
whole. They still have to remove the attachment screws when destroying
the cabinets.


But it is TV you need images that move.
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On 10/27/2015 1:43 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 10:12 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 10/27/2015 10:24 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Jim wrote in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8

I totally fail to see any practical application for it.
It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category
of solutions looking for a problem.

John


They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at
conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously
the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the
fasteners are located.


I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a
stairway banister together.



Yeah I saw that on TOH several years ago. One has to wonder how tight
the connection can be, the force of a magnet is about all the force that
there is to turn the screw.


It would also depend on the pitch of the screw threads. I have wondered
about the "tightness" too. Maybe there are tests?
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On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:24:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8


I totally fail to see any practical application for it.
It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category
of solutions looking for a problem.

John


They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at
conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously
the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the
fasteners are located.


I like this system better. Five Minute Furniture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shJhMd7t8Zc

The inventor turned down the Shark Tank deal. He wanted $250K for a 25%
equity stake in his company. They offered him $250K for the patent rights
but wanted *nothing* to do with him. They flat out didn't trust him.

I think he got a deal from someone else but I don't see any indication
that the furniture is for sale anywhere. Having moved a few kids in and out
of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy
to assemble knock-down furniture.

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw364jomMrM
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On 10/27/2015 1:43 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 10:12 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 10/27/2015 10:24 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Jim wrote in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8

I totally fail to see any practical application for it.
It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category
of solutions looking for a problem.

John


They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at
conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously
the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the
fasteners are located.

I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a
stairway banister together.



Yeah I saw that on TOH several years ago. One has to wonder how tight
the connection can be, the force of a magnet is about all the force that
there is to turn the screw.


It would also depend on the pitch of the screw threads. I have wondered
about the "tightness" too. Maybe there are tests?


The company's site claims:

"Powerful screwed connections with 250 kg clamping force per connector
via the M5 stainless steel screw"
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Having moved a few kids in and out
of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy
to assemble knock-down furniture.


Ikea REGISSÖR ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY



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Having moved a few kids in and out
of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy
to assemble knock-down furniture.


Ikea REGISSÖR ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY


As far as I know, the Ikea line came out in late 2014. By that point I had
already put together more of that Wally World furniture than I care to
mention. It always turned out that we didn't know what they needed until the
weekend they were moving in. Then, while the girls were out buying shower
curtains and laundry detergent, Dad was pounding plastic dowels into
particle board.

One time I was halfway through putting together a Wally World dresser in a
cramped hotel room when my daughter called. "Hey Dad, I just ran into the
landlord. She said they will dropping off a dresser tomorrow so you don't
have to put that one together." If you think building those things is a
PITA, try taking one apart and putting it back in the box. I was ready to
eat the $60 and throw it in the dumpster.

Jared Joyce was pushing his 5 Minute Furniture idea back in 2012, maybe
even earlier. Had it been available back then I would have at least looked
at the price and weighed the pros and cons.
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I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a
stairway banister together.


Why? Banisters have been made for centuries without that system,
it seems hard to think of a good reason to use it (other than to
show off, I guess).

Yeah I saw that on TOH several years ago. One has to wonder how tight
the connection can be, the force of a magnet is about all the force that
there is to turn the screw.


I think the actual problem you'd have is the two metal pieces
have to be absolutely perpendicular to the surface to get a
tight joint. Which basically means you have to drill all the
holes on the drill press.

Dowels tend to do that too, but at least you have a little give
with them to accomodate minor errors. That thing is effectively
a steel dowel when it's joined, and there's no give.

John
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Having moved a few kids in and out
of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy
to assemble knock-down furniture.


Ikea REGISSÖR ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY

Or Not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjE4q2EyzoQ
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The company's site claims:

"Powerful screwed connections with 250 kg clamping force per connector
via the M5 stainless steel screw"


I am a little sceptical of that(*), but also bear in mind
that that's just a tad over 500lbs, which isn't much. You
can get 1000lbs clamping force with a regular Jorgensen bar
clamp, and several tons with a 3/4 pipe clamp.

(* that's about 1/3 the shear strength of the screw, if I'm
not mistaken, so it's in the realm of what a human with a
screwdriver could accomplish.)

John
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Ikea REGISSÖR ??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY


Or Not


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjE4q2EyzoQ


Seems staged... but then again, I run into people all the time who don't
grasp the simplest mechanical things!



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depends on the someone
i can imagine a couple of scenarios

i think it is glued together and it is too heavy to carry sorry i cannot help

i think it is glued together i can make the pieces so they will fit
through the door or smaller and then we can glue it back together

it is too big to move i think we leave it here and i never liked it
anyway since it has gotten to be wobbly over the years and we
could never figure out how to tighten it up

we should put it on craigslist and tell them to bring strong people
and a good dolly


no one will ever think hey it is using the invis system and absolutely
no one will have that magnetic tool









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It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category
of solutions looking for a problem.


it is the keep it complicated stupid or KICS adage

they got their KICS making them












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Ikea REGISSÖR ??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY


Or Not


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjE4q2EyzoQ


Seems staged... but then again, I run into people all the time who don't
grasp the simplest mechanical things!



Yeah it looked like one of those infomertials that uses complete idiots.
The kicker however is that It appears that if you fit something wrong
there is no going back.
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Having moved a few kids in and out
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Ikea REGISSÖR ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY

Or Not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjE4q2EyzoQ


Still, 17 minutes is a lot quicker than it takes to put together one of those Wally World units. I'd like to try the Ikea system since I am familiar with the plastic dowel/cam and post system that Sauder and the other manufacturers use.
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i like his design

The inventor turned down the Shark Tank deal. He wanted $250K for a
25% equity stake in his company. They offered him $250K for the
patent rights but wanted *nothing* to do with him. They flat out
didn't trust him.


it is funny and ironic that those people do not trust him
i like his answer to the stupid question he was asked

and mark cuban wears make-up or maybe that is for halloween
i really do not trust those people

that guy is lucky to have got away












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Ikea REGISSÖR ??


whenever i see ikea furniture i am amazed at how well the meet the
demand for that market

the honeycombed panels are a great idea

but i am also glad because there are discerning buyers that will not buy
ikea furniture so that leaves a market for woodworkers/artisans









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Why? Banisters have been made for centuries without that system,
it seems hard to think of a good reason to use it (other than to
show off, I guess).


Good logic. They were made without power tools too so there is no good
reason to use them either.
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On 10/27/2015 8:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news
On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8

What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but
doesn't know about your joinery method?


From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers
are for...

No kidding. I see sledge hammers being used to remove old kitchen
cabinets. I have renovated a few kitchens and felt it was much easier
to remove 2~4 attachment screws, per cabinet, and carry the cabinet out
whole. They still have to remove the attachment screws when destroying
the cabinets.



I've always found it easier to remove sheetrock in large sections,
rather than pounding it to smithereens, too.
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:13:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
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On 10/27/2015 8:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message news


On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8

What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but
doesn't know about your joinery method?


From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers
are for...


No kidding. I see sledge hammers being used to remove old kitchen
cabinets. I have renovated a few kitchens and felt it was much easier
to remove 2~4 attachment screws, per cabinet, and carry the cabinet out
whole. They still have to remove the attachment screws when destroying
the cabinets.


I've always found it easier to remove sheetrock in large sections,
rather than pounding it to smithereens, too.


Yeah... they create work! But I guess smashing stuff makes for better TV
and makes some people feel better. ;~)

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On 10/30/2015 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote:


It looks like the benefit is that one can make knock-down furniture with
hidden fasteners. Why you would want to do this with a bannister though
is a mystery.


I'd not use it for knock down furniture.In that case, no tool use would
be a plus. As for the bannister, if I was building a high end house I'd
use it. Details like that make a high end house just that.
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