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On 10/26/15 6:32 PM, Jim wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 -Jim I've seen that a couple times before. Looks impressive, but every time I watch the videos it doesn't seem to close the gaps very tightly. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but doesn't know about your joinery method? |
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"Just Wondering" wrote in message ...
On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but doesn't know about your joinery method? From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers are for... |
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On 10/27/2015 8:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Just Wondering" wrote in message ... On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but doesn't know about your joinery method? From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers are for... No kidding. I see sledge hammers being used to remove old kitchen cabinets. I have renovated a few kitchens and felt it was much easier to remove 2~4 attachment screws, per cabinet, and carry the cabinet out whole. They still have to remove the attachment screws when destroying the cabinets. |
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Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484
@googlegroups.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 I totally fail to see any practical application for it. It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category of solutions looking for a problem. John |
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On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484 @googlegroups.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 I totally fail to see any practical application for it. It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category of solutions looking for a problem. John They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the fasteners are located. |
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On 10/27/2015 10:24 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote: Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484 @googlegroups.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 I totally fail to see any practical application for it. It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category of solutions looking for a problem. John They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the fasteners are located. I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a stairway banister together. |
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On 10/27/2015 4:02 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but doesn't know about your joinery method? Knowing my typical joinery method (glue) wouldn't help them very much. |
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On 10/27/2015 10:12 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 10/27/2015 10:24 AM, Leon wrote: On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote: Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484 @googlegroups.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 I totally fail to see any practical application for it. It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category of solutions looking for a problem. John They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the fasteners are located. I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a stairway banister together. Yeah I saw that on TOH several years ago. One has to wonder how tight the connection can be, the force of a magnet is about all the force that there is to turn the screw. |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:13:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 10/27/2015 8:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote: "Just Wondering" wrote in message ... On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but doesn't know about your joinery method? From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers are for... No kidding. I see sledge hammers being used to remove old kitchen cabinets. I have renovated a few kitchens and felt it was much easier to remove 2~4 attachment screws, per cabinet, and carry the cabinet out whole. They still have to remove the attachment screws when destroying the cabinets. But it is TV you need images that move. |
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On 10/27/2015 1:43 PM, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 10:12 AM, Greg Guarino wrote: On 10/27/2015 10:24 AM, Leon wrote: On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote: Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484 @googlegroups.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 I totally fail to see any practical application for it. It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category of solutions looking for a problem. John They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the fasteners are located. I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a stairway banister together. Yeah I saw that on TOH several years ago. One has to wonder how tight the connection can be, the force of a magnet is about all the force that there is to turn the screw. It would also depend on the pitch of the screw threads. I have wondered about the "tightness" too. Maybe there are tests? |
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On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:24:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote: Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484 @googlegroups.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 I totally fail to see any practical application for it. It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category of solutions looking for a problem. John They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the fasteners are located. I like this system better. Five Minute Furniture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shJhMd7t8Zc The inventor turned down the Shark Tank deal. He wanted $250K for a 25% equity stake in his company. They offered him $250K for the patent rights but wanted *nothing* to do with him. They flat out didn't trust him. I think he got a deal from someone else but I don't see any indication that the furniture is for sale anywhere. Having moved a few kids in and out of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy to assemble knock-down furniture. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw364jomMrM |
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On 10/27/2015 2:11 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 10/27/2015 1:43 PM, Leon wrote: On 10/27/2015 10:12 AM, Greg Guarino wrote: On 10/27/2015 10:24 AM, Leon wrote: On 10/27/2015 9:12 AM, John McCoy wrote: Jim wrote in news:1160987b-d414-4919-aa3b-01cbcafb9484 @googlegroups.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 I totally fail to see any practical application for it. It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category of solutions looking for a problem. John They would be handy for upper end displays like those used at conventions that are assembled and disassembled often . But obviously the person doing the dismantling would have to know where all of the fasteners are located. I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a stairway banister together. Yeah I saw that on TOH several years ago. One has to wonder how tight the connection can be, the force of a magnet is about all the force that there is to turn the screw. It would also depend on the pitch of the screw threads. I have wondered about the "tightness" too. Maybe there are tests? The company's site claims: "Powerful screwed connections with 250 kg clamping force per connector via the M5 stainless steel screw" |
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"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
... Having moved a few kids in and out of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy to assemble knock-down furniture. Ikea REGISSÖR ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY |
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On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 3:01:47 PM UTC-4, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message ... Having moved a few kids in and out of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy to assemble knock-down furniture. Ikea REGISSÖR ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY As far as I know, the Ikea line came out in late 2014. By that point I had already put together more of that Wally World furniture than I care to mention. It always turned out that we didn't know what they needed until the weekend they were moving in. Then, while the girls were out buying shower curtains and laundry detergent, Dad was pounding plastic dowels into particle board. One time I was halfway through putting together a Wally World dresser in a cramped hotel room when my daughter called. "Hey Dad, I just ran into the landlord. She said they will dropping off a dresser tomorrow so you don't have to put that one together." If you think building those things is a PITA, try taking one apart and putting it back in the box. I was ready to eat the $60 and throw it in the dumpster. Jared Joyce was pushing his 5 Minute Furniture idea back in 2012, maybe even earlier. Had it been available back then I would have at least looked at the price and weighed the pros and cons. |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
: On 10/27/2015 10:12 AM, Greg Guarino wrote: I saw Tom Silva of This Old House use the system to fasten pieces of a stairway banister together. Why? Banisters have been made for centuries without that system, it seems hard to think of a good reason to use it (other than to show off, I guess). Yeah I saw that on TOH several years ago. One has to wonder how tight the connection can be, the force of a magnet is about all the force that there is to turn the screw. I think the actual problem you'd have is the two metal pieces have to be absolutely perpendicular to the surface to get a tight joint. Which basically means you have to drill all the holes on the drill press. Dowels tend to do that too, but at least you have a little give with them to accomodate minor errors. That thing is effectively a steel dowel when it's joined, and there's no give. John |
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On 10/27/2015 2:02 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message ... Having moved a few kids in and out of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy to assemble knock-down furniture. Ikea REGISSÖR ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY Or Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjE4q2EyzoQ |
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Greg Guarino wrote in
: The company's site claims: "Powerful screwed connections with 250 kg clamping force per connector via the M5 stainless steel screw" I am a little sceptical of that(*), but also bear in mind that that's just a tad over 500lbs, which isn't much. You can get 1000lbs clamping force with a regular Jorgensen bar clamp, and several tons with a 3/4 pipe clamp. (* that's about 1/3 the shear strength of the screw, if I'm not mistaken, so it's in the realm of what a human with a screwdriver could accomplish.) John |
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"Leon" wrote in message
... Ikea REGISSÖR ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY Or Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjE4q2EyzoQ Seems staged... but then again, I run into people all the time who don't grasp the simplest mechanical things! |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 02:02:44 -0600
Just Wondering wrote: What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but doesn't know about your joinery method? depends on the someone i can imagine a couple of scenarios i think it is glued together and it is too heavy to carry sorry i cannot help i think it is glued together i can make the pieces so they will fit through the door or smaller and then we can glue it back together it is too big to move i think we leave it here and i never liked it anyway since it has gotten to be wobbly over the years and we could never figure out how to tighten it up we should put it on craigslist and tell them to bring strong people and a good dolly no one will ever think hey it is using the invis system and absolutely no one will have that magnetic tool |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:12:57 +0000 (UTC)
John McCoy wrote: It's a neat gimmick, but definately falls into the category of solutions looking for a problem. it is the keep it complicated stupid or KICS adage they got their KICS making them |
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On 10/27/2015 5:15 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message ... Ikea REGISSÖR ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY Or Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjE4q2EyzoQ Seems staged... but then again, I run into people all the time who don't grasp the simplest mechanical things! Yeah it looked like one of those infomertials that uses complete idiots. The kicker however is that It appears that if you fit something wrong there is no going back. |
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On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 5:51:29 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 10/27/2015 2:02 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote: "DerbyDad03" wrote in message ... Having moved a few kids in and out of college dorms and apartments, I'd have gladly paid a premium for easy to assemble knock-down furniture. Ikea REGISSÖR ?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POR4mwOZjsY Or Not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjE4q2EyzoQ Still, 17 minutes is a lot quicker than it takes to put together one of those Wally World units. I'd like to try the Ikea system since I am familiar with the plastic dowel/cam and post system that Sauder and the other manufacturers use. |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:22:22 -0700 (PDT)
DerbyDad03 wrote: i like his design The inventor turned down the Shark Tank deal. He wanted $250K for a 25% equity stake in his company. They offered him $250K for the patent rights but wanted *nothing* to do with him. They flat out didn't trust him. it is funny and ironic that those people do not trust him i like his answer to the stupid question he was asked and mark cuban wears make-up or maybe that is for halloween i really do not trust those people that guy is lucky to have got away |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 15:02:37 -0400
"John Grossbohlin" wrote: Ikea REGISSÖR ?? whenever i see ikea furniture i am amazed at how well the meet the demand for that market the honeycombed panels are a great idea but i am also glad because there are discerning buyers that will not buy ikea furniture so that leaves a market for woodworkers/artisans |
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On 10/27/2015 5:36 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Why? Banisters have been made for centuries without that system, it seems hard to think of a good reason to use it (other than to show off, I guess). Good logic. They were made without power tools too so there is no good reason to use them either. |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:13:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 10/27/2015 8:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote: "Just Wondering" wrote in message ... On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but doesn't know about your joinery method? From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers are for... No kidding. I see sledge hammers being used to remove old kitchen cabinets. I have renovated a few kitchens and felt it was much easier to remove 2~4 attachment screws, per cabinet, and carry the cabinet out whole. They still have to remove the attachment screws when destroying the cabinets. I've always found it easier to remove sheetrock in large sections, rather than pounding it to smithereens, too. |
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"krw" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 08:13:06 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 10/27/2015 8:08 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote: "Just Wondering" wrote in message ... On 10/26/2015 5:32 PM, Jim wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaN-Emvizq8 What if someone down the line needs to disassemble your whatever but doesn't know about your joinery method? From what I see on the TV renovation shows that is what large hammers are for... No kidding. I see sledge hammers being used to remove old kitchen cabinets. I have renovated a few kitchens and felt it was much easier to remove 2~4 attachment screws, per cabinet, and carry the cabinet out whole. They still have to remove the attachment screws when destroying the cabinets. I've always found it easier to remove sheetrock in large sections, rather than pounding it to smithereens, too. Yeah... they create work! But I guess smashing stuff makes for better TV and makes some people feel better. ;~) |
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On 10/28/2015 10:47 AM, John McCoy wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in news:7Judnf6ypZIVlK3LnZ2dnUU7-N- : On 10/27/2015 5:36 PM, John McCoy wrote: Why? Banisters have been made for centuries without that system, it seems hard to think of a good reason to use it (other than to show off, I guess). Good logic. They were made without power tools too so there is no good reason to use them either. Well, I can think of good reasons to use power tools (less sweating onto the workpiece, for example). I'm not seeing a good reason why this expensive and complicated fastner is better than traditional ways of fastening the parts of a bannister. John You may be right but to dismiss it without first hand knowledge is a bit harsh. New does not mean better but I can see where a hidden fastener may be a nice touch in some places. I'll keep an open mind until I see it. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote in
: On 10/28/2015 10:47 AM, John McCoy wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote in news:7Judnf6ypZIVlK3LnZ2dnUU7-N- : On 10/27/2015 5:36 PM, John McCoy wrote: Why? Banisters have been made for centuries without that system, it seems hard to think of a good reason to use it (other than to show off, I guess). Good logic. They were made without power tools too so there is no good reason to use them either. Well, I can think of good reasons to use power tools (less sweating onto the workpiece, for example). I'm not seeing a good reason why this expensive and complicated fastner is better than traditional ways of fastening the parts of a bannister. John You may be right but to dismiss it without first hand knowledge is a bit harsh. New does not mean better but I can see where a hidden fastener may be a nice touch in some places. I'll keep an open mind until I see it. Well, I don't know I'm dismissing it. "Why" is an honest question. I don't see a reason to use it, but I'm open to being convinced there is one for that purpose (altho, in fairness to me, no-one has yet suggested one). John |
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On 10/30/2015 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
It looks like the benefit is that one can make knock-down furniture with hidden fasteners. Why you would want to do this with a bannister though is a mystery. I'd not use it for knock down furniture.In that case, no tool use would be a plus. As for the bannister, if I was building a high end house I'd use it. Details like that make a high end house just that. |
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On 10/31/2015 3:27 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... On 10/30/2015 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote: It looks like the benefit is that one can make knock-down furniture with hidden fasteners. Why you would want to do this with a bannister though is a mystery. I'd not use it for knock down furniture.In that case, no tool use would be a plus. But "no tool use" means exposed fasteners. Needing a special tool makes it non-knock down in many cases. Do you give your kids a drill when they are off to college? As for the bannister, if I was building a high end house I'd use it. Details like that make a high end house just that. You'd use a screwed-together butt joint on a bannister in a "high end house"?!?!?!?!?! I'm suggesting a hidden fastener. If it has the strength needed it would look good. Never used one so I can't say for sure. |
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On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:49:27 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 10/31/2015 3:27 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 10/30/2015 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote: It looks like the benefit is that one can make knock-down furniture with hidden fasteners. Why you would want to do this with a bannister though is a mystery. I'd not use it for knock down furniture.In that case, no tool use would be a plus. But "no tool use" means exposed fasteners. Needing a special tool makes it non-knock down in many cases. Do you give your kids a drill when they are off to college? Actually, yes. I built a knockdown platform bed for my daughter. She wanted a full size bed, tall enough to fit storage bins underneath. The frame knocks down to 5 pieces which easily fit in the back of her car. The platform was cut in half. I spent less than $20 for a HF cordless drill and gave her one of my quick clamps. Besides the initial assembly when she first took it back to school, she's moved the bed twice since I built it. http://s440.photobucket.com/user/Der...?sort=2&page=1 |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 03:27:56 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article , says... On 10/30/2015 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote: It looks like the benefit is that one can make knock-down furniture with hidden fasteners. Why you would want to do this with a bannister though is a mystery. I'd not use it for knock down furniture.In that case, no tool use would be a plus. But "no tool use" means exposed fasteners. As for the bannister, if I was building a high end house I'd use it. Details like that make a high end house just that. You'd use a screwed-together butt joint on a bannister in a "high end house"?!?!?!?!?! perhaps along with gluing the joint? I didn't see what kind of tool or fitting is being discussed, but there are hidden scre/bolt type fasteners used for that purpose all the time. |
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In article ,
says... On 10/31/2015 3:27 AM, J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... On 10/30/2015 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote: It looks like the benefit is that one can make knock-down furniture with hidden fasteners. Why you would want to do this with a bannister though is a mystery. I'd not use it for knock down furniture.In that case, no tool use would be a plus. But "no tool use" means exposed fasteners. Needing a special tool makes it non-knock down in many cases. Do you give your kids a drill when they are off to college? Well if you need it to be knock down in those cases obviously this is not the fastener to use. It seems inconcievable to you that there might be a use for knock-down furniture other than sending a kid off to college. As for the bannister, if I was building a high end house I'd use it. Details like that make a high end house just that. You'd use a screwed-together butt joint on a bannister in a "high end house"?!?!?!?!?! I'm suggesting a hidden fastener. If it has the strength needed it would look good. Never used one so I can't say for sure. Why would a bannister need to be removable? |
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In article ,
says... On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 03:27:56 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... On 10/30/2015 7:46 PM, J. Clarke wrote: It looks like the benefit is that one can make knock-down furniture with hidden fasteners. Why you would want to do this with a bannister though is a mystery. I'd not use it for knock down furniture.In that case, no tool use would be a plus. But "no tool use" means exposed fasteners. As for the bannister, if I was building a high end house I'd use it. Details like that make a high end house just that. You'd use a screwed-together butt joint on a bannister in a "high end house"?!?!?!?!?! perhaps along with gluing the joint? I didn't see what kind of tool or fitting is being discussed, but there are hidden scre/bolt type fasteners used for that purpose all the time. http://www.amazon.com/Invis-Mx2-Star...0Y/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&qid=1446335447&sr=8-1&keywords=lamello+invis+mx+starter+kit |
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