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What is NASA doing studying "The Collapse of Civilization"? I thought
they were supposed to be concentrating on their "Muslim Outreach"
directive. Maybe the two are related?

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From the link:
It finds that according to the historical record even advanced, complex civilisations are susceptible to collapse, raising questions about the sustainability of modern civilisation:

"The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent."

It wasn't the average people or industry, of those civilizations, that caused the demises, but the currupt and idiot leaders that was the root cause of the direction the societies were led into, .... just as our idiot leaders are doing today? People, as a whole, can usually manage their own systems, in coordination with themselves. Ignorant (and greedy) leadership is what causes the problems.

But no worry. According to other armchair experts, a big-ass meteorite will do in today's civilization(s), before our esteemed leaders do.

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This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.
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Propaganda plus out of money.

BTW - not to sound like the newsgroup police but "OT" on these would be nice. When you look at other groups the woodworkers are pretty good about keeping the group tidy. Too much unlabeled off topic and we will start looking lit rec.outdoors-rv-travel.


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What is NASA doing studying "The Collapse of Civilization"? I thought
they were supposed to be concentrating on their "Muslim Outreach"
directive. Maybe the two are related?


Time for NASA go away.

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BTW - not to sound like the newsgroup police but "OT" on these would be
nice. When you look at other groups the woodworkers are pretty good about
keeping the group tidy. Too much unlabeled off topic and we will start
looking lit rec.outdoors-rv-travel.


Or worse, the bizarre wackos that leak over onto rec.crafts.metalworking
from the political wacko groups.

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On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.


If civilization is going to collapse more incentive to get on the
first Mars mission.
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On 3/20/2014 2:08 PM, Markem wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle
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On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.


If civilization is going to collapse more incentive to get on the
first Mars mission.


In looking at referenced articles, KPMG predicts 15 years it will all
collapse. Funny how an accounting firm is pointing out the wealth
difference as an object to be rectified.

While I believe that all hell will break loose shortly, I wasn't
thinking the collapse of all civilisations, but, that might be the
result of the next collapse.

Arm yourselves, and start stocking food... lol...
The reality is, I'm not sure I want to live in a world that will totally
void of civility and have lots of mayhem.

Living off the land might be an option, but I think there will be so
many people that raid your crops, you won't have enough ammo.

Well, enough of that, we all know that the current model is not working
and something big is coming. Those that think it will self correct are
not paying attention to all the markers. This country is in such debt
that it is not self sustaining. Greece , Spain are minor compared to our
collapse... And look at the riots that happened there.



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On 3/20/2014 2:08 PM, Markem wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle
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On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.


If civilization is going to collapse more incentive to get on the
first Mars mission.


Why? Do you believe you'll be safer, cut off from Earth? Or perhaps
that the first Mars mission will somehow be self-sustaining?

In looking at referenced articles, KPMG predicts 15 years it will all
collapse. Funny how an accounting firm is pointing out the wealth
difference as an object to be rectified.

While I believe that all hell will break loose shortly, I wasn't
thinking the collapse of all civilisations, but, that might be the
result of the next collapse.

Arm yourselves, and start stocking food... lol...
The reality is, I'm not sure I want to live in a world that will totally
void of civility and have lots of mayhem.

Living off the land might be an option, but I think there will be so
many people that raid your crops, you won't have enough ammo.


Stock ammo, instead of food. Trade it for food. It will be the new
gold.

Well, enough of that, we all know that the current model is not working
and something big is coming. Those that think it will self correct are
not paying attention to all the markers. This country is in such debt
that it is not self sustaining. Greece , Spain are minor compared to our
collapse... And look at the riots that happened there.

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woodchucker wrote:

Arm yourselves, and start stocking food... lol...
The reality is, I'm not sure I want to live in a world that will totally
void of civility and have lots of mayhem.

Living off the land might be an option, but I think there will be so
many people that raid your crops, you won't have enough ammo.


Stock ammo, instead of food. Trade it for food. It will be the new
gold.


If there was a collapse of that magnitude, and I had a supply of
ammunition large enough to use for currency, I don't think I'd want to
advertise that fact by using it for currency. If it became common
knowledge that I was sitting on a huge ammo dump, that might make me an
even bigger target for marauding gangs.


Would you advertise that you had a few tons of gold in your basement,
now?

If there is a collapse large enough that you'd have to stockpile that
much food, might just as well hang it up anyway. You *will* need the
ammo in either case.
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:31:37 -0600, Just Wondering
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woodchucker wrote:

Arm yourselves, and start stocking food... lol...
The reality is, I'm not sure I want to live in a world that will totally
void of civility and have lots of mayhem.

Living off the land might be an option, but I think there will be so
many people that raid your crops, you won't have enough ammo.

Stock ammo, instead of food. Trade it for food. It will be the new
gold.


If there was a collapse of that magnitude, and I had a supply of
ammunition large enough to use for currency, I don't think I'd want to
advertise that fact by using it for currency. If it became common
knowledge that I was sitting on a huge ammo dump, that might make me an
even bigger target for marauding gangs.


Would you advertise that you had a few tons of gold in your basement,
now?

If there is a collapse large enough that you'd have to stockpile that
much food, might just as well hang it up anyway. You *will* need the
ammo in either case.

I don't dispute that under such a scenario a survivor would need a
substantial ammo supply. I'm just questioning the wisdom of advertising
that fact. You'd probably be better off gathering together a group of
like-minded people you could trust, pool your resources, and work
together for your mutual protection and survival. Maybe then the group
could use ammo for trade. But I thing an individual trying the same
thing would wind up screwing himself.


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On 3/20/2014 5:49 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:31:37 -0600, Just Wondering
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wrote:
woodchucker wrote:

Arm yourselves, and start stocking food... lol...
The reality is, I'm not sure I want to live in a world that will totally
void of civility and have lots of mayhem.

Living off the land might be an option, but I think there will be so
many people that raid your crops, you won't have enough ammo.

Stock ammo, instead of food. Trade it for food. It will be the new
gold.

If there was a collapse of that magnitude, and I had a supply of
ammunition large enough to use for currency, I don't think I'd want to
advertise that fact by using it for currency. If it became common
knowledge that I was sitting on a huge ammo dump, that might make me an
even bigger target for marauding gangs.


Would you advertise that you had a few tons of gold in your basement,
now?

If there is a collapse large enough that you'd have to stockpile that
much food, might just as well hang it up anyway. You *will* need the
ammo in either case.

I don't dispute that under such a scenario a survivor would need a
substantial ammo supply. I'm just questioning the wisdom of advertising
that fact. You'd probably be better off gathering together a group of
like-minded people you could trust, pool your resources, and work
together for your mutual protection and survival. Maybe then the group
could use ammo for trade. But I thing an individual trying the same
thing would wind up screwing himself.


Sure, but the same thing goes for food. Ammo is easier to hide and
lasts longer.

....not that I'm counting on doing either.
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:42:39 -0400, woodchucker
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On 3/20/2014 2:08 PM, Markem wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.

If civilization is going to collapse more incentive to get on the
first Mars mission.


Why? Do you believe you'll be safer, cut off from Earth? Or perhaps
that the first Mars mission will somehow be self-sustaining?


It is a joke son
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that the first Mars mission will somehow be self-sustaining?

It is a joke son


krw doesn't joke. He is completely bereft of any sense of humour.


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I rest my case. You *ARE* a stalker. ...now admitted.


Right!


Of course I'm right. Unlike you, who is not only left but wrong.
....and a pathological liar (but that goes with leftism).




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