http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists
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Jeff

What is NASA doing studying "The Collapse of Civilization"? I thought
they were supposed to be concentrating on their "Muslim Outreach"
directive. Maybe the two are related?

On 03/20/2014 07:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists




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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:33:00 -0700, Doug Winterburn
wrote:

What is NASA doing studying "The Collapse of Civilization"? I thought
they were supposed to be concentrating on their "Muslim Outreach"
directive. Maybe the two are related?

Time for NASA go away.

On 03/20/2014 07:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

On Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:11:36 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists -- Jeff

From the link:
It finds that according to the historical record even advanced, complex civilisations are susceptible to collapse, raising questions about the sustainability of modern civilisation:

"The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent."

It wasn't the average people or industry, of those civilizations, that caused the demises, but the currupt and idiot leaders that was the root cause of the direction the societies were led into, .... just as our idiot leaders are doing today? People, as a whole, can usually manage their own systems, in coordination with themselves. Ignorant (and greedy) leadership is what causes the problems.

But no worry. According to other armchair experts, a big-ass meteorite will do in today's civilization(s), before our esteemed leaders do.

Sonny

On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.

Propaganda plus out of money.

BTW - not to sound like the newsgroup police but "OT" on these would be nice. When you look at other groups the woodworkers are pretty good about keeping the group tidy. Too much unlabeled off topic and we will start looking lit rec.outdoors-rv-travel.

BTW - not to sound like the newsgroup police but "OT" on these would be
nice. When you look at other groups the woodworkers are pretty good about
keeping the group tidy. Too much unlabeled off topic and we will start
looking lit rec.outdoors-rv-travel.

Or worse, the bizarre wackos that leak over onto rec.crafts.metalworking
from the political wacko groups.

Tom

wrote:
Propaganda plus out of money.

BTW - not to sound like the newsgroup police but "OT" on these would
be nice. When you look at other groups the woodworkers are pretty
good about keeping the group tidy. Too much unlabeled off topic and
we will start looking lit rec.outdoors-rv-travel.

Not an invalid point at all, but at least the topic made it very clear what
it was about. Is there really a lot of difference between putting OT in the
header at that point? We all know that off topic stuff is going to show up
in a community like this, so we kinda just expect it to some degree. And...
to some degree maybe get frustrated by some of it. Personally, (fwiw), I
get a ton more frustrated by the guys that cross post to a zillion different
groups of whacko's and then we're inundated with some really crazy thinking
from fringe guys for a couple of weeks - but that's just my petty bitch.
Now - back to work and make some sawdust damnit!

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-Mike-

On 3/20/2014 12:28 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
wrote:
Propaganda plus out of money.

BTW - not to sound like the newsgroup police but "OT" on these would
be nice. When you look at other groups the woodworkers are pretty
good about keeping the group tidy. Too much unlabeled off topic and
we will start looking lit rec.outdoors-rv-travel.

Not an invalid point at all, but at least the topic made it very clear what
it was about. Is there really a lot of difference between putting OT in the
header at that point? We all know that off topic stuff is going to show up
in a community like this, so we kinda just expect it to some degree. And...
to some degree maybe get frustrated by some of it. Personally, (fwiw), I
get a ton more frustrated by the guys that cross post to a zillion different
groups of whacko's and then we're inundated with some really crazy thinking
from fringe guys for a couple of weeks - but that's just my petty bitch.
Now - back to work and make some sawdust damnit!


I agree with your take, but if it has OT in the subject line, I can
filter it out. As far as cross posting, I can drop anything cross
posted to more than 3 groups (an arbitrary number for sure).
Troglodyte(sp) that I am, I still use XP and Newsproxy still works on
XP. Pretty funny for a guy that spent 40 years in IT.

The reason "OT" is placed first in the subject line of an
off-topic post is so that users can easily filter or simply bypass
such posts.

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sphs.class64 gmail.com wrote:
Propaganda plus out of money.

BTW - not to sound like the newsgroup police but "OT" on these would
be nice. When you look at other groups the woodworkers are pretty
good about keeping the group tidy. Too much unlabeled off topic and
we will start looking lit rec.outdoors-rv-travel.

Not an invalid point at all, but at least the topic made it very clear what
it was about. Is there really a lot of difference between putting OT in the
header at that point? We all know that off topic stuff is going to show up
in a community like this, so we kinda just expect it to some degree. And...
to some degree maybe get frustrated by some of it. Personally, (fwiw), I
get a ton more frustrated by the guys that cross post to a zillion different
groups of whacko's and then we're inundated with some really crazy thinking
from fringe guys for a couple of weeks - but that's just my petty bitch.
Now - back to work and make some sawdust damnit!

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE windstream.net

John Doe wrote:
The reason "OT" is placed first in the subject line of an
off-topic post is so that users can easily filter or simply bypass
such posts.



Hey Idiot - learn how to use a newsreader. The below post is not from me.
For someone who is supposed to be such a renowned internet user, you fail to
show it.


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sphs.class64 gmail.com wrote:
Propaganda plus out of money.

BTW - not to sound like the newsgroup police but "OT" on these would
be nice. When you look at other groups the woodworkers are pretty
good about keeping the group tidy. Too much unlabeled off topic and
we will start looking lit rec.outdoors-rv-travel.

Not an invalid point at all, but at least the topic made it very
clear what
it was about. Is there really a lot of difference between putting
OT in the
header at that point? We all know that off topic stuff is going to
show up
in a community like this, so we kinda just expect it to some degree.
And...
to some degree maybe get frustrated by some of it. Personally,
(fwiw), I
get a ton more frustrated by the guys that cross post to a zillion
different
groups of whacko's and then we're inundated with some really crazy
thinking
from fringe guys for a couple of weeks - but that's just my petty
bitch.
Now - back to work and make some sawdust damnit!

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE windstream.net

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.

If civilization is going to collapse more incentive to get on the
first Mars mission.

On 3/20/2014 2:08 PM, Markem wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.

If civilization is going to collapse more incentive to get on the
first Mars mission.


In looking at referenced articles, KPMG predicts 15 years it will all
collapse. Funny how an accounting firm is pointing out the wealth
difference as an object to be rectified.

While I believe that all hell will break loose shortly, I wasn't
thinking the collapse of all civilisations, but, that might be the
result of the next collapse.

Arm yourselves, and start stocking food... lol...
The reality is, I'm not sure I want to live in a world that will totally
void of civility and have lots of mayhem.

Living off the land might be an option, but I think there will be so
many people that raid your crops, you won't have enough ammo.

Well, enough of that, we all know that the current model is not working
and something big is coming. Those that think it will self correct are
not paying attention to all the markers. This country is in such debt
that it is not self sustaining. Greece , Spain are minor compared to our
collapse... And look at the riots that happened there.



--
Jeff

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:42:39 -0400, woodchucker
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:08 PM, Markem wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.

If civilization is going to collapse more incentive to get on the
first Mars mission.

Why? Do you believe you'll be safer, cut off from Earth? Or perhaps
that the first Mars mission will somehow be self-sustaining?

In looking at referenced articles, KPMG predicts 15 years it will all
collapse. Funny how an accounting firm is pointing out the wealth
difference as an object to be rectified.

While I believe that all hell will break loose shortly, I wasn't
thinking the collapse of all civilisations, but, that might be the
result of the next collapse.

Arm yourselves, and start stocking food... lol...
The reality is, I'm not sure I want to live in a world that will totally
void of civility and have lots of mayhem.

Living off the land might be an option, but I think there will be so
many people that raid your crops, you won't have enough ammo.

Stock ammo, instead of food. Trade it for food. It will be the new
gold.

Well, enough of that, we all know that the current model is not working
and something big is coming. Those that think it will self correct are
not paying attention to all the markers. This country is in such debt
that it is not self sustaining. Greece , Spain are minor compared to our
collapse... And look at the riots that happened there.

wrote:
woodchucker wrote:

Arm yourselves, and start stocking food... lol...
The reality is, I'm not sure I want to live in a world that will totally
void of civility and have lots of mayhem.

Living off the land might be an option, but I think there will be so
many people that raid your crops, you won't have enough ammo.

Stock ammo, instead of food. Trade it for food. It will be the new
gold.

If there was a collapse of that magnitude, and I had a supply of
ammunition large enough to use for currency, I don't think I'd want to
advertise that fact by using it for currency. If it became common
knowledge that I was sitting on a huge ammo dump, that might make me an
even bigger target for marauding gangs.

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:56:39 -0400, wrote:
Stock ammo, instead of food. Trade it for food. It will be the new
gold.

You'll only need one bullet actually. ~ the one to blow your brains
out when you finally realize that you've got nothing left to live for.

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 16:56:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:42:39 -0400, woodchucker
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 2:08 PM, Markem wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 10:47:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 3/20/2014 10:11 AM, woodchucker wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...udy-scientists

This must be NASA's new role. At one time they were heavily involved in
Research projects that created jobs in this country and put Man on the
moon, and a Space Station in orbit.

Today NASA is mouthing the administrations propaganda line, we no longer
have a space program, and the space station has been given to the Russians.

If civilization is going to collapse more incentive to get on the
first Mars mission.

Why? Do you believe you'll be safer, cut off from Earth? Or perhaps
that the first Mars mission will somehow be self-sustaining?


It is a joke son