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Hi all
I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. 3. I could use wooden carriers, but I guess that will someone limit the heights in the future. I'd go for 2 or 3, but please tell me your thoughts on this WBR Sonnich |
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Sonnich Jensen wrote:
Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. This would be my choice - or shelf standards, routed in so they lay flush. I have used them a lot for shelves and I personally like them. It's just a preference thing - I don't realy care as much for the look of all of the holes when you just use the pegs - but like I say, it's just a preference thing. Here's a different thought though... I have found that after allowing for all of this flexibility in shelf locations... I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've changed them once they were put in place the first time. Maybe all of that flexibility isn't as worthwhile in the end. -- -Mike- |
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On 1/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Sonnich Jensen wrote: Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. This would be my choice - or shelf standards, routed in so they lay flush. I have used them a lot for shelves and I personally like them. It's just a preference thing - I don't realy care as much for the look of all of the holes when you just use the pegs - but like I say, it's just a preference thing. Here's a different thought though... I have found that after allowing for all of this flexibility in shelf locations... I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've changed them once they were put in place the first time. Maybe all of that flexibility isn't as worthwhile in the end. Routing a slot is quick and easy. Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. But like you said, it's a preference... |
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On 1/23/14, 7:14 AM, Richard wrote:
On 1/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. This would be my choice - or shelf standards, routed in so they lay flush. I have used them a lot for shelves and I personally like them. It's just a preference thing - I don't realy care as much for the look of all of the holes when you just use the pegs - but like I say, it's just a preference thing. Here's a different thought though... I have found that after allowing for all of this flexibility in shelf locations... I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've changed them once they were put in place the first time. Maybe all of that flexibility isn't as worthwhile in the end. Routing a slot is quick and easy. Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. But like you said, it's a preference... That's exactly what it is, but don't pretend drilling the holes is difficult. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:09:12 -0600, -MIKE- wrote:
Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. Plus which, holes are not needed in every possible location. Just enough to allow a shelf to move a few inches up and down from its "normal" position. Five or 6 hole on 2" spacing for shelves spaced at 12" intervals should b enough. Don't get me wrong - that's still a *lot* of holes. But Mike is right, a jig makes it a lot easier. -- This msg is for rec.woodworking - not homeowners hub. |
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On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:01:45 PM UTC+2, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:09:12 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. Plus which, holes are not needed in every possible location. Just enough to allow a shelf to move a few inches up and down from its "normal" position. Five or 6 hole on 2" spacing for shelves spaced at 12" intervals should b enough. I was thinking of this. 2" _is_ 5cm, and I was thinking letting the upper and lower 20 cm be free, which gives me 50cm to drill = 11 series of holes (44 holes) Then again I agree that once in place I will probably never really move the shelves... |
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On Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:41:21 PM UTC+2, Mike Marlow wrote:
Sonnich Jensen wrote: Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Thanks. |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:36:42 -0800 (PST), Sonnich Jensen
I was thinking of this. 2" _is_ 5cm, and I was thinking letting the upper and lower 20 cm be free, which gives me 50cm to drill = 11 series of holes (44 holes) Then again I agree that once in place I will probably never really move the shelves... For the entertainment centre I built, I drilled holes every inch within three inches of the top and bottom. My components are varying heights and I occasionally add, remove and rearrange those components. It gives the most flexibility. Easier to do it all now instead of finding out down the road that you need a configuration you haven't drilled for. |
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Sonnich Jensen wrote:
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:01:45 PM UTC+2, Larry Blanchard wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:09:12 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. Plus which, holes are not needed in every possible location. Just enough to allow a shelf to move a few inches up and down from its "normal" position. Five or 6 hole on 2" spacing for shelves spaced at 12" intervals should b enough. I was thinking of this. 2" _is_ 5cm, and I was thinking letting the upper and lower 20 cm be free, which gives me 50cm to drill = 11 series of holes (44 holes) Then again I agree that once in place I will probably never really move the shelves... I am not a master carpenter but I have built custom bathroom cabinets in my home. Now that the cabinet is built, how are you going to drill accurate holes for shelf pegs inside the cabinet? I'd really like to know for future reference. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
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On 1/24/14, 10:20 AM, willshak wrote:
Sonnich Jensen wrote: On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:01:45 PM UTC+2, Larry Blanchard wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:09:12 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. Plus which, holes are not needed in every possible location. Just enough to allow a shelf to move a few inches up and down from its "normal" position. Five or 6 hole on 2" spacing for shelves spaced at 12" intervals should b enough. I was thinking of this. 2" _is_ 5cm, and I was thinking letting the upper and lower 20 cm be free, which gives me 50cm to drill = 11 series of holes (44 holes) Then again I agree that once in place I will probably never really move the shelves... I am not a master carpenter but I have built custom bathroom cabinets in my home. Now that the cabinet is built, how are you going to drill accurate holes for shelf pegs inside the cabinet? I'd really like to know for future reference. Google "shelf pin jig" and take your pick or make your own. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-MIKE- wrote:
On 1/23/14, 7:14 AM, Richard wrote: On 1/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. This would be my choice - or shelf standards, routed in so they lay flush. I have used them a lot for shelves and I personally like them. It's just a preference thing - I don't realy care as much for the look of all of the holes when you just use the pegs - but like I say, it's just a preference thing. Here's a different thought though... I have found that after allowing for all of this flexibility in shelf locations... I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've changed them once they were put in place the first time. Maybe all of that flexibility isn't as worthwhile in the end. Routing a slot is quick and easy. Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. But like you said, it's a preference... That's exactly what it is, but don't pretend drilling the holes is difficult. Ummmmm... I didn't Mike - I said - it's a preference. I do believe I can set my router up to route that channel faster than I could execute drilling all those holes even with a good jig, but for me it's all about the preference of how it looks. -- -Mike- |
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On 1/24/14, 11:14 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: On 1/23/14, 7:14 AM, Richard wrote: On 1/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. This would be my choice - or shelf standards, routed in so they lay flush. I have used them a lot for shelves and I personally like them. It's just a preference thing - I don't realy care as much for the look of all of the holes when you just use the pegs - but like I say, it's just a preference thing. Here's a different thought though... I have found that after allowing for all of this flexibility in shelf locations... I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've changed them once they were put in place the first time. Maybe all of that flexibility isn't as worthwhile in the end. Routing a slot is quick and easy. Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. But like you said, it's a preference... That's exactly what it is, but don't pretend drilling the holes is difficult. Ummmmm... I didn't Mike - I said - it's a preference. I do believe I can set my router up to route that channel faster than I could execute drilling all those holes even with a good jig, but for me it's all about the preference of how it looks. I wasn't talking to you! :-p I was relying to Richard who replied to you. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-MIKE- wrote:
On 1/24/14, 11:14 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: -MIKE- wrote: On 1/23/14, 7:14 AM, Richard wrote: On 1/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. This would be my choice - or shelf standards, routed in so they lay flush. I have used them a lot for shelves and I personally like them. It's just a preference thing - I don't realy care as much for the look of all of the holes when you just use the pegs - but like I say, it's just a preference thing. Here's a different thought though... I have found that after allowing for all of this flexibility in shelf locations... I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've changed them once they were put in place the first time. Maybe all of that flexibility isn't as worthwhile in the end. Routing a slot is quick and easy. Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. But like you said, it's a preference... That's exactly what it is, but don't pretend drilling the holes is difficult. Ummmmm... I didn't Mike - I said - it's a preference. I do believe I can set my router up to route that channel faster than I could execute drilling all those holes even with a good jig, but for me it's all about the preference of how it looks. I wasn't talking to you! :-p I was relying to Richard who replied to you. So you were! Sorry - got lost there. -- -Mike- |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:20:18 -0500, willshak
wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:01:45 PM UTC+2, Larry Blanchard wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:09:12 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. Plus which, holes are not needed in every possible location. Just enough to allow a shelf to move a few inches up and down from its "normal" position. Five or 6 hole on 2" spacing for shelves spaced at 12" intervals should b enough. I was thinking of this. 2" _is_ 5cm, and I was thinking letting the upper and lower 20 cm be free, which gives me 50cm to drill = 11 series of holes (44 holes) Then again I agree that once in place I will probably never really move the shelves... I am not a master carpenter but I have built custom bathroom cabinets in my home. Now that the cabinet is built, how are you going to drill accurate holes for shelf pegs inside the cabinet? I'd really like to know for future reference. Bill if you have a router and a 1/4" bit it can be done but it is easier to drill them before assembly. Mark |
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On 1/24/14, 1:11 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: On 1/24/14, 11:14 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: -MIKE- wrote: On 1/23/14, 7:14 AM, Richard wrote: On 1/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. This would be my choice - or shelf standards, routed in so they lay flush. I have used them a lot for shelves and I personally like them. It's just a preference thing - I don't realy care as much for the look of all of the holes when you just use the pegs - but like I say, it's just a preference thing. Here's a different thought though... I have found that after allowing for all of this flexibility in shelf locations... I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've changed them once they were put in place the first time. Maybe all of that flexibility isn't as worthwhile in the end. Routing a slot is quick and easy. Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. But like you said, it's a preference... That's exactly what it is, but don't pretend drilling the holes is difficult. Ummmmm... I didn't Mike - I said - it's a preference. I do believe I can set my router up to route that channel faster than I could execute drilling all those holes even with a good jig, but for me it's all about the preference of how it looks. I wasn't talking to you! :-p I was relying to Richard who replied to you. So you were! Sorry - got lost there. Typical lead player... getting lost all the time. :-p -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 1/23/2014 2:46 AM, Sonnich Jensen wrote:
Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. 3. I could use wooden carriers, but I guess that will someone limit the heights in the future. I'd go for 2 or 3, but please tell me your thoughts on this WBR Sonnich I always seem to wind up using the drilled holes and pins but that is probably because I invested in the 32mm system jigs a long time ago and don't like to let anything go to waste. I'm afraid that you will be in for more work than necessary though since, with the cabinet assembled, drilling for routing or whatever you decide to do will be decidedly more difficult for lack of access. Typically the metal standards demand that you route a slot the full length of the inside vertical members and now you can't really get in to do that. Drilling is still possible although some jigs want full access to the sides too. So, a homemade jig or one of the plastic hand-held jobs might be the easiest way forward. Or maybe a fallback to the decidedly old-school sawtooth/batten supports? |
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On 1/24/14, 1:23 PM, Markem wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 11:20:18 -0500, willshak wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:01:45 PM UTC+2, Larry Blanchard wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:09:12 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. Plus which, holes are not needed in every possible location. Just enough to allow a shelf to move a few inches up and down from its "normal" position. Five or 6 hole on 2" spacing for shelves spaced at 12" intervals should b enough. I was thinking of this. 2" _is_ 5cm, and I was thinking letting the upper and lower 20 cm be free, which gives me 50cm to drill = 11 series of holes (44 holes) Then again I agree that once in place I will probably never really move the shelves... I am not a master carpenter but I have built custom bathroom cabinets in my home. Now that the cabinet is built, how are you going to drill accurate holes for shelf pegs inside the cabinet? I'd really like to know for future reference. Bill if you have a router and a 1/4" bit it can be done but it is easier to drill them before assembly. Mark I'm not trying to be argumentative, here. I know people are looking for ideas and advice on the subject, that is all I'm interested in giving. I've done several built-ins, medicine cabinets, and other projects that use shelf pins. I've tried doing it before during and after. I came to the conclusion that the simplest, fastest, and least prone to error way to do it was to use a drilling jig and proprietary plunge drill bit to drill them not only after assembly, but after finishing. You end up putting them only where you want them which make for fewer holes, and you don't have to clean them out after finishing. The finish on the wood actually makes for cleaner holes, too. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 1/24/14, 2:08 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote: Typical lead player... getting lost all the time. :-p We are being creative when that happens... That's what I usually say. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:05:06 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: I'm not trying to be argumentative, here. I know people are looking for ideas and advice on the subject, that is all I'm interested in giving. I've done several built-ins, medicine cabinets, and other projects that use shelf pins. I've tried doing it before during and after. I came to the conclusion that the simplest, fastest, and least prone to error way to do it was to use a drilling jig and proprietary plunge drill bit to drill them not only after assembly, but after finishing. You end up putting them only where you want them which make for fewer holes, and you don't have to clean them out after finishing. The finish on the wood actually makes for cleaner holes, too. That makes sense, I just do not like putting my head in a small enclosed space like a bath cabinet with the router. F4's stole some of my hearing so I minimize my exposure. On a bookcase probably would follow your method though. Mark |
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"Sonnich Jensen" wrote in message
Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. 3. I could use wooden carriers, but I guess that will someone limit the heights in the future. I'd go for 2 or 3, but please tell me your thoughts on this My thoughts are metal. Specifically, Knape & Voight shelf pins, model #345 or 346. Like these... http://www.wurthwoodgroup.com/KV-345...ts-P38050.aspx They are inexpensive and strong, don't show when a shelf is on them but if you should go for them, don't buy them at the link above, way too expensive. They used to be (20+ years ago) $0.05 or .06 each. Today, certainly under $.15 each. Holes for them can be drilled but if you have a lot it is easier and faster to use a plunge router with an appropriately sized template bushing to fit a purchased or self made jig. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On 1/24/14, 2:41 PM, Markem wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:05:06 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: I'm not trying to be argumentative, here. I know people are looking for ideas and advice on the subject, that is all I'm interested in giving. I've done several built-ins, medicine cabinets, and other projects that use shelf pins. I've tried doing it before during and after. I came to the conclusion that the simplest, fastest, and least prone to error way to do it was to use a drilling jig and proprietary plunge drill bit to drill them not only after assembly, but after finishing. You end up putting them only where you want them which make for fewer holes, and you don't have to clean them out after finishing. The finish on the wood actually makes for cleaner holes, too. That makes sense, I just do not like putting my head in a small enclosed space like a bath cabinet with the router. F4's stole some of my hearing so I minimize my exposure. On a bookcase probably would follow your method though. Mark If I didn't make it clear, I'm talking about a drill bit and drill guide. A router is overkill, cumbersome, and completely unnecessary. Google "shelf pin guide." -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: If I didn't make it clear, I'm talking about a drill bit and drill guide. A router is overkill, cumbersome, and completely unnecessary. Google "shelf pin guide." Thanks Mike I have seen them, but I have a jig made for router with a collar that works for me. Mark |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:05:06 -0600, -MIKE- wrote:
I came to the conclusion that the simplest, fastest, and least prone to error way to do it was to use a drilling jig and proprietary plunge drill bit to drill them not only after assembly, but after finishing. You end up putting them only where you want them which make for fewer holes, and you don't have to clean them out after finishing. The finish on the wood actually makes for cleaner holes, too. I find it easier before assembly, but I definitely agree with drilling after finishing. My favorite finish is shellac with maybe a little dye in it and I pad it on. I did it after drilling once and only once! Finishing before assembly is a lot easier as well unless a spray gun is used, but I don't have or want one. -- This msg is for rec.woodworking - not homeowners hub. |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:26:58 -0600, Markem
Thanks Mike I have seen them, but I have a jig made for router with a collar that works for me. Depending on the size of the base on that router, it could interfere in some tight spots. |
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 01:48:08 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:26:58 -0600, Markem Thanks Mike I have seen them, but I have a jig made for router with a collar that works for me. Depending on the size of the base on that router, it could interfere in some tight spots. Which is why it is easier in my mind to make the pin holes before assembly. Mark |
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On 1/25/14, 9:01 AM, Markem wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 01:48:08 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:26:58 -0600, Markem Thanks Mike I have seen them, but I have a jig made for router with a collar that works for me. Depending on the size of the base on that router, it could interfere in some tight spots. Which is why it is easier in my mind to make the pin holes before assembly. Mark Let's not get a circular argument going, here. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Friday, January 24, 2014 6:45:39 PM UTC+2, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/24/14, 10:20 AM, willshak wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: On Thursday, January 23, 2014 7:01:45 PM UTC+2, Larry Blanchard wrote: On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:09:12 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. Plus which, holes are not needed in every possible location. Just enough to allow a shelf to move a few inches up and down from its "normal" position. Five or 6 hole on 2" spacing for shelves spaced at 12" intervals should b enough. I was thinking of this. 2" _is_ 5cm, and I was thinking letting the upper and lower 20 cm be free, which gives me 50cm to drill = 11 series of holes (44 holes) Then again I agree that once in place I will probably never really move the shelves... I am not a master carpenter but I have built custom bathroom cabinets in my home. Now that the cabinet is built, how are you going to drill accurate holes for shelf pegs inside the cabinet? I'd really like to know for future reference. Google "shelf pin jig" and take your pick or make your own. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com mike@mikedrum ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply I did it this way: hot.ee/sonnich/4_Photo1719.jpg A ruler, fixed, and marked 20-80cm by every 5 cm. |
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On 1/23/2014 11:09 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 1/23/14, 7:14 AM, Richard wrote: On 1/23/2014 5:41 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Sonnich Jensen wrote: Hi all I am about to finish this: http://hot.ee/sonnich/Photo1659.jpg NIce work. Now, the cupboards on the sides do not yet have shelfes in them. Basically I have 3 options, and I am not sure which to pick. I tried to keep it in an old style, my hinges are the type where the door can be lifted off. 1. I could use those plastic corners, but plastic is not the style to use here 2. I could use those round (Ø5mm) carriers, which would make it possible to set the shelfes as I need. This would be my choice - or shelf standards, routed in so they lay flush. I have used them a lot for shelves and I personally like them. It's just a preference thing - I don't realy care as much for the look of all of the holes when you just use the pegs - but like I say, it's just a preference thing. Here's a different thought though... I have found that after allowing for all of this flexibility in shelf locations... I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've changed them once they were put in place the first time. Maybe all of that flexibility isn't as worthwhile in the end. Routing a slot is quick and easy. Drilling eleven-zillion holes isn't. Sure it is. Easier than routing a slot. Use a shelf pin drilling jig and you're done before you've set up the router. I agree, and I'm no expert woodworker. Of all the jigs and other things I had to make when I made my kitchen (or other shelves), drilling the peg holes wasn't any trouble or any time. The bigger question was size, and nickel or brass. If you don't like all the holes, just drill the ones you like. Jeff But like you said, it's a preference... That's exactly what it is, but don't pretend drilling the holes is difficult. |
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