I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?

Larry

On 9/16/2013 7:37 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?


Take it to a welding shop that does cast iron welding (magnaflux?) and
don't get carried away tightening down in the future?g

Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the
upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a
replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need
to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they
are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?
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"Unquestionably Confused" wrote:

Take it to a welding shop that does cast iron welding (magnaflux?)
and don't get carried away tightening down in the future?g
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For cast iron, that would be brazing.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the
upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a
replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need
to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they
are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?
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"Unquestionably Confused" wrote:

Take it to a welding shop that does cast iron welding (magnaflux?)
and don't get carried away tightening down in the future?g
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For cast iron, that would be brazing.


.... or welding. Cast iron can be welded but it needs to be pre-heated and
then slowly allowed to cool

--

-Mike-

On 09/16/2013 09:31 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Take it to a welding shop that does cast iron welding (magnaflux?)
and don't get carried away tightening down in the future?g
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For cast iron, that would be brazing.

... or welding. Cast iron can be welded but it needs to be pre-heated and
then slowly allowed to cool

I would try JB Weld. I've used it with success on cracked metal.

- Art S.

On 9/16/2013 8:31 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the
upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a
replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need
to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they
are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?
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"Unquestionably Confused" wrote:

Take it to a welding shop that does cast iron welding (magnaflux?)
and don't get carried away tightening down in the future?g
----------------------------------------------------
For cast iron, that would be brazing.


... or welding. Cast iron can be welded but it needs to be pre-heated and
then slowly allowed to cool


A rose by any other name...

Gramps? Look to fix it before replacing it. Shouldn't cost all that
much and if it works... If not, begin the quest anew.

On 9/16/13 7:37 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the
upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a
replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need
to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they
are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?

Larry


Call this number...
JET Tools North America
427 New Sanford Road
La Vergne, TN 37086
Phone: 1.800.274.6848

They have parts for Jet, Delta, and almost every other old brand name
that was bought up by the same conglomerate years ago.

I have the same exact saw as you. When I first got it and was looking
for some spare parts I called these guys because they are right down the
road from me. They told me they still have bunches and bunches of parts
for these old machines in their warehouse but they don't advertise it.

Look up the parts number on line in case they don't know what you're
talking about.
If they a problem with paying over the phone and shipping it, I'd be
happy to pick it up for you and send it for the cost.

But yeah, might be a good excuse to buy newer guides. :-)


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Art wrote:
On 09/16/2013 09:31 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Take it to a welding shop that does cast iron welding (magnaflux?)
and don't get carried away tightening down in the future?g
----------------------------------------------------
For cast iron, that would be brazing.

... or welding. Cast iron can be welded but it needs to be
pre-heated and then slowly allowed to cool

I would try JB Weld. I've used it with success on cracked metal.


I know that people have had good luck with JB Weld, but I just never have.

--

-Mike-

On 9/16/13 7:40 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 9/16/2013 7:37 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the
upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a
replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need to
go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they are
pretty pricey. Any suggestions?


Take it to a welding shop that does cast iron welding (magnaflux?) and
don't get carried away tightening down in the future?g


These things are more like pot metal like the old die-cast toy cars used
to be made of.
Very light, brittle, weak, and easy to crack. The problem with "don't
get carried away" is that if there was a scale of 1-10 of "tight enough
to hold the guide steady" and "too tight, might crack," the former would
be 5 and the latter would be 6. Seriously.


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-MIKE-

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Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 9/16/2013 8:31 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the
upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a
replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need
to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they
are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?
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"Unquestionably Confused" wrote:

Take it to a welding shop that does cast iron welding (magnaflux?)
and don't get carried away tightening down in the future?g
----------------------------------------------------
For cast iron, that would be brazing.


... or welding. Cast iron can be welded but it needs to be
pre-heated and then slowly allowed to cool


A rose by any other name...


....is not a rose. Big difference between welding and brazing. Brazing is
not as strong as welding.

--

-Mike-

"Gramps' shop" wrote in
:

I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the
upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a
replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need to
go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they are
pretty pricey. Any suggestions?

Larry


Where is it cracked? Perhaps you can fashion something to hold it
together securely. For example, if it's along one of the square edges, a
bit of angle iron (aluminum would probably work), a couple screws and a
couple tapped holes might form an adequate repair.

A roller bearing setup won't be cheap, but I believe they're designed to
replace the entire guide block housing. Maybe you can find someone who's
got the spare parts left from a conversion.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

OK, "crack" is a bit of an understatement. I chunk of it broke off, splitting the threaded hole for the set screw in half. I think the odds of getting a weld or braze or epoxy to hold without compromising the threads are pretty low. Hence, the replacement.

And, let it be known that I wasn't torqueing the set screw hard. I guess this one falls into the "**** happens" category.

Larry


On Monday, September 16, 2013 7:37:36 PM UTC-5, Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?



Larry

On 9/16/13 9:16 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
OK, "crack" is a bit of an understatement. I chunk of it broke off,
splitting the threaded hole for the set screw in half. I think the
odds of getting a weld or braze or epoxy to hold without compromising
the threads are pretty low. Hence, the replacement.

And, let it be known that I wasn't torqueing the set screw hard. I
guess this one falls into the "**** happens" category.

Larry

As I explained in another post, there's no operator error involved with
this.
It was a poor design made with poor material.
They are notorious for breaking in that exact spot.


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"Gramps' shop" wrote in
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OK, "crack" is a bit of an understatement. I chunk of it broke off,
splitting the threaded hole for the set screw in half. I think the
odds of getting a weld or braze or epoxy to hold without compromising
the threads are pretty low. Hence, the replacement.

And, let it be known that I wasn't torqueing the set screw hard. I
guess this one falls into the "**** happens" category.

Larry



It might be possible to hold things together with a metal band on either
side of the screw hole. A piece of square stock measuring close to 7/8"
should do it, perhaps with a little filing.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On 9/16/2013 5:37 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?

Larry


I'm guessing but I bet you can get that part from just
about anybody who carries parts for band saws including
Delta. Jet is a "direct" copy of the Delta 14" band saw
that has been in production since the 1930's as I recall.

Jet is still in business and they should be contacted also.

Is this your saw ???

http://www.jettools.com/us/en/p/14-c...5-230v/708115K

and I bet those guide blocks will work on your saw.

Carter also will have guide blocks that work...

http://www.carterproducts.com/band-s...and-saw-guides

On 9/16/2013 7:37 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?

Larry



Now is a good time and opportunity to switch over to "Ceramic" guides!

Update:

Called Jet (thanks, Mike) and there was enough confusion there as to whether the part was available that I had little confidence I would get the correct replacement.

Went to Woodcraft and decided against the $200 Carter upper and lower system as that was almost as much as I paid for the saw a few years back.

Found a Carter look-alike on eBay -- http://www.ebay.com/itm/321200823928 -- for about $60. Looks like it will fit. Will report once I receive it.

Thanks to all for your input.

Larry

On 17 Sep 2013 02:51:17 GMT, Puckdropper
It might be possible to hold things together with a metal band on either
side of the screw hole. A piece of square stock measuring close to 7/8"
should do it, perhaps with a little filing.

Could be poor design as Mike mentioned or the problem might be
something else ~ metal fatigue.

Had an Emmert vise passed down to me from my father. It fell apart on
me section by section. Had the same thing happen with an older drill
press too. Some of the older tools are pretty good. Some just wear out
over the years.

On 9/16/2013 8:37 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
I have an older Jet JBS 14MW bandsaw. While tightening one of the upper guide blocks, the guide block housing cracked. DAGS for a replacement part and came up with nothing, so it looks like I need to go aftermarket. Looked at some of the Carter options, but they are pretty pricey. Any suggestions?

Larry

That part should readily be available.
They haven't really changed all that much over time.

--
Jeff

On 9/17/13 4:36 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
Update:

Called Jet (thanks, Mike) and there was enough confusion there as to
whether the part was available that I had little confidence I would
get the correct replacement.

Went to Woodcraft and decided against the $200 Carter upper and lower
system as that was almost as much as I paid for the saw a few years
back.

Found a Carter look-alike on eBay --
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321200823928 -- for about $60. Looks like it
will fit. Will report once I receive it.

Thanks to all for your input.

Larry


Please report back if they work.
That would be worth searching for again, for me to buy.


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Try to do google search "Aftermarket Jet 14 Compatible Band Saw Parts"