http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo
I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw?

Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts?
But of course, they did away with it.
Thanks,
Tony D.

On 9/14/13 9:21 AM, wrote:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo
I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw?

Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts?
But of course, they did away with it.
Thanks,
Tony D.


It's all in the cam. There's a LOT of weight on that one wheel.
For 20 bucks more, I'd go with the Steel City version with 2 wheels,
shown on that same HD page, which might actually be the same one
Woodcraft sells under their house name...

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2080750/33126/WoodRiver-Universal-Mobile-Base-Hardware-Kit.aspx

On sale for 50 bucks, right now.


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On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:43:10 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/208...ver-Universal-
Mobile-Base-Hardware-Kit.aspx

On sale for 50 bucks, right now.


I've got an earlier version of the Woodcraft one on my contractor saw and
my jointer. I like it better than a variety of stuff under my other
tools. The large plates for locking/unlocking are the easy to use,
unlike some with swivel wheels where the locking mechanism always seems
to wind up swiveled to the inside.

OTOH, I have to remember that those large locking plates do stick out a
bit - I've stubbed a toe once or twice.

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On 9/14/2013 11:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 9/14/13 9:21 AM, wrote:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo

I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good
choice adapted for the unisaw?

Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you
had to do was use better bolts?
But of course, they did away with it.
Thanks,
Tony D.


It's all in the cam. There's a LOT of weight on that one wheel.
For 20 bucks more, I'd go with the Steel City version with 2 wheels,
shown on that same HD page, which might actually be the same one
Woodcraft sells under their house name...

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2080750/33126/WoodRiver-Universal-Mobile-Base-Hardware-Kit.aspx


On sale for 50 bucks, right now.


Yes it will work.
I don't like the double wheel lifts. It torques the frame while lifting.
I have the delta single wheel unit and like it with Wood rails , and
with steel rail too .

I also have an HTC with 2 lift wheels, I eliminated the second and
center mounted the one wheel, now it's nice.

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wrote:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo
I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good
choice adapted for the unisaw?

Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you
had to do was use better bolts?
But of course, they did away with it.
Thanks,
Tony D.

Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only
a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment
out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the
feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier.

Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV.

On 9/15/2013 12:01 PM, Leon wrote:
wrote:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo
I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good
choice adapted for the unisaw?

Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you
had to do was use better bolts?
But of course, they did away with it.
Thanks,
Tony D.

Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only
a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment
out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the
feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier.

Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV.

That's bizarre. I wouldn't think there would be enough lenth on a drill
press base to cause that. I would expect that on a contractor saw more
than a dp (but still that baseis better than the newer unit using ply).
But a unisaw should be fine, it's a smaller base.

--
Jeff

woodchucker wrote:
On 9/15/2013 12:01 PM, Leon wrote:
wrote:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo
I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good
choice adapted for the unisaw?

Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you
had to do was use better bolts?
But of course, they did away with it.
Thanks,
Tony D.

Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only
a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment
out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the
feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier.

Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV.

That's bizarre. I wouldn't think there would be enough lenth on a drill
press base to cause that. I would expect that on a contractor saw more
than a dp (but still that baseis better than the newer unit using ply).
But a unisaw should be fine, it's a smaller base.


Well you do have a point with the Unisaw base being smaller. The DP base
had to be expanded for stability since it was going to be mobile and not
bolted to he floor.

On 9/15/2013 9:01 AM, Leon wrote:

Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only
a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment
out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the
feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier.

Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV.


A trimmed out Unisaw is "around" 380lbs.

On 9/17/2013 1:16 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/15/2013 9:01 AM, Leon wrote:

Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With
only
a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all
adjustment
out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the
feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier.

Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV.


A trimmed out Unisaw is "around" 380lbs.



Really!? I would have thought at least 100lbs more. IIRC my old Jet
was over 400, My new SawStop with mobile base and out feed is a bit
over 700 lbs. Shipping weight over 800. for all additions.


Actually the new Unisaw is 624 with 36" fence according to Delta.
I really can't imagine the Unisaw gaining 244 lbs with the latest
version. But then again that is probably shipping weight.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:05:29 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/17/2013 1:16 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/15/2013 9:01 AM, Leon wrote:

Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With
only
a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all
adjustment
out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the
feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier.

Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV.


A trimmed out Unisaw is "around" 380lbs.



Really!? I would have thought at least 100lbs more. IIRC my old Jet
was over 400, My new SawStop with mobile base and out feed is a bit
over 700 lbs. Shipping weight over 800. for all additions.

My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no
way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-)

Actually the new Unisaw is 624 with 36" fence according to Delta.
I really can't imagine the Unisaw gaining 244 lbs with the latest
version. But then again that is probably shipping weight.

My experience is similar.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:46:27 -0400, wrote:

My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no
way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-)

Perhaps it contained 240lbs of hot air inside which wafted away when
the cardboard was removed?

wrote:
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:46:27 -0400, wrote:

My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no
way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-)

Perhaps it contained 240lbs of hot air inside which wafted away when
the cardboard was removed?

No, hot air would have made it lighter.. :-)

On 9/17/2013 2:05 PM, Leon wrote:

Really!? I would have thought at least 100lbs more. IIRC my old Jet
was over 400, My new SawStop with mobile base and out feed is a bit
over 700 lbs. Shipping weight over 800. for all additions.


Actually the new Unisaw is 624 with 36" fence according to Delta.
I really can't imagine the Unisaw gaining 244 lbs with the latest
version. But then again that is probably shipping weight.


Page 54 of the sales manual:

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1141/4887.pdf

Note that I said 380lbs for a "trimmed out" Unisaw which
in my case is a standard Unisaw with a 52" fence with a
3hp motor.

The top and motor make up the majority of the weight.
The cabinet and side board are fairly light.

The motor size can be from 1.5hp up to 3hp and that makes
up a good bit of difference in the total weight.

A 1.5hp is 65lbs while a modern 3hp motor is around 80lbs.

On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote:

My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no
way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-)

The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that
I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board
which will add some weight.

http://www.deltamachinery.com/produc...?category_id=1


I have no idea of the real weight of the
new saw. The entire arbor assembly is a total redo of the old design
that has been in place since 1938, so they did add some more weight to
the saw.

There is no way to compare the "old" saw to the "new" saw in weights.

I own both a 1966 12"/14" tilting arbor saw and a 1971 Unisaw.

Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/17/2013 2:05 PM, Leon wrote:

Really!? I would have thought at least 100lbs more. IIRC my old Jet
was over 400, My new SawStop with mobile base and out feed is a bit
over 700 lbs. Shipping weight over 800. for all additions.


Actually the new Unisaw is 624 with 36" fence according to Delta.
I really can't imagine the Unisaw gaining 244 lbs with the latest
version. But then again that is probably shipping weight.


Page 54 of the sales manual:

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1141/4887.pdf

Note that I said 380lbs for a "trimmed out" Unisaw which
in my case is a standard Unisaw with a 52" fence with a
3hp motor.

The top and motor make up the majority of the weight.
The cabinet and side board are fairly light.

The motor size can be from 1.5hp up to 3hp and that makes
up a good bit of difference in the total weight.

A 1.5hp is 65lbs while a modern 3hp motor is around 80lbs.

Sorry, I was thinking bought in the last 25 or so years. The early ones
were much lighter in weight.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:36:23 -0700, Pat Barber
wrote:

On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote:

My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no
way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-)

The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that
I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board
which will add some weight.

http://www.deltamachinery.com/produc...?category_id=1


I have no idea of the real weight of the
new saw. The entire arbor assembly is a total redo of the old design
that has been in place since 1938, so they did add some more weight to
the saw.

There is no way to compare the "old" saw to the "new" saw in weights.

I own both a 1966 12"/14" tilting arbor saw and a 1971 Unisaw.

Well, I suppose "Unisaw" is pretty vague. My ~600lb Unisaw is a 2008
"old" style. Yes, the 600lbs does include the 50" fence, two
extensions, and side table (maybe all of 10 lbs ;-). It doesn't
include the base (separate purchase).

On 9/18/2013 10:57 AM, Leon wrote:

Sorry, I was thinking bought in the last 25 or so years. The early ones
were much lighter in weight.

The only difference between a 1956 and 2008 is the motor size and
the fence types. That would explain any weight differences.

All other parts are 99.9% compatible and would weigh exactly
the same. Very little changed between 1938-2008.

Older Unisaws share parts all the way up to the
change over to the "new" design.

Many folks doing restores have almost no problem getting replacement
parts for any Unisaw spanning many years.

On 9/18/2013 4:00 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/18/2013 10:57 AM, Leon wrote:

Sorry, I was thinking bought in the last 25 or so years. The early ones
were much lighter in weight.

The only difference between a 1956 and 2008 is the motor size and
the fence types. That would explain any weight differences.





All other parts are 99.9% compatible and would weigh exactly
the same. Very little changed between 1938-2008.

Older Unisaws share parts all the way up to the
change over to the "new" design.

Many folks doing restores have almost no problem getting replacement
parts for any Unisaw spanning many years.




That was not what I was finding when comparing the 2000 model Unisaw and
the Jet. The Jet was well over 400 lbs and the Delta was heavier.
I would have bought the Unisaw had it not been for the broken trunnion
issues back then and the fact that the one on the sales floor had a
broken trunnion too.

On 9/18/2013 10:36 AM, Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote:

My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no
way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-)

The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that
I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board
which will add some weight.

Well you did say trimmed out, I don't consider that stripped down.
Typically trimmed out indicates that all parts are attached. If the
fence, right extension table and cast iron left and right wings are not
attached I can easily see 380.

wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:36:23 -0700, Pat Barber
wrote:

On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote:

My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no
way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-)

The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that
I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board
which will add some weight.

http://www.deltamachinery.com/produc...?category_id=1


I have no idea of the real weight of the
new saw. The entire arbor assembly is a total redo of the old design
that has been in place since 1938, so they did add some more weight to
the saw.

There is no way to compare the "old" saw to the "new" saw in weights.

I own both a 1966 12"/14" tilting arbor saw and a 1971 Unisaw.

Well, I suppose "Unisaw" is pretty vague. My ~600lb Unisaw is a 2008
"old" style. Yes, the 600lbs does include the 50" fence, two
extensions, and side table (maybe all of 10 lbs ;-). It doesn't
include the base (separate purchase).

Don't forget the 60# pallet it is mounted on for shipping.

Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/18/2013 10:57 AM, Leon wrote:

Sorry, I was thinking bought in the last 25 or so years. The early ones
were much lighter in weight.

The only difference between a 1956 and 2008 is the motor size and
the fence types. That would explain any weight differences.

All other parts are 99.9% compatible and would weigh exactly
the same. Very little changed between 1938-2008.

Older Unisaws share parts all the way up to the
change over to the "new" design.

Many folks doing restores have almost no problem getting replacement
parts for any Unisaw spanning many years.

Ok, I read your information. The much older unisaws mentioned in the
catalog are as follows.

The saw with splitter,guard, and 2 extension wings, fence, 336 lbs. BUT
the motor is not included.. Add the motor at either 65 or 79 pounds and
you are at either at 401 or 415 pounds depending on which 1.5 hp motor you
add.

I did not see any motors offered with more than 1.5 hp until you started
ordering with 3 phase.

The more relatively modern Unisaws all came with at least 3 hp motors which
are heavier still.

AND BTW the Unisaw is on page 56. The saws on page 54 that you mentioned
are much smaller contractor type saws.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:56:22 -0500, Leon wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:36:23 -0700, Pat Barber
wrote:

On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote:

My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no
way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-)

The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that
I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board
which will add some weight.

http://www.deltamachinery.com/produc...?category_id=1


I have no idea of the real weight of the
new saw. The entire arbor assembly is a total redo of the old design
that has been in place since 1938, so they did add some more weight to
the saw.

There is no way to compare the "old" saw to the "new" saw in weights.

I own both a 1966 12"/14" tilting arbor saw and a 1971 Unisaw.

Well, I suppose "Unisaw" is pretty vague. My ~600lb Unisaw is a 2008
"old" style. Yes, the 600lbs does include the 50" fence, two
extensions, and side table (maybe all of 10 lbs ;-). It doesn't
include the base (separate purchase).

Don't forget the 60# pallet it is mounted on for shipping.

I figured it as half that (about the same as a cement block). Maybe I
got cheated. ;-)

I ended up with the MB800.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360737635036... 4.m1439.l2649
But have not got it put together yet.
My unisaw is from around the 40's.

On Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:21:40 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo

I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw?



Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts?

But of course, they did away with it.

Thanks,

Tony D.