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Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo
I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw? Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts? But of course, they did away with it. Thanks, Tony D. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On Sat, 14 Sep 2013 10:43:10 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/208...ver-Universal- Mobile-Base-Hardware-Kit.aspx On sale for 50 bucks, right now. I've got an earlier version of the Woodcraft one on my contractor saw and my jointer. I like it better than a variety of stuff under my other tools. The large plates for locking/unlocking are the easy to use, unlike some with swivel wheels where the locking mechanism always seems to wind up swiveled to the inside. OTOH, I have to remember that those large locking plates do stick out a bit - I've stubbed a toe once or twice. -- This message was for rec.woodworking - if it appears in homeownershub they ripped it off. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/14/2013 11:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 9/14/13 9:21 AM, wrote: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw? Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts? But of course, they did away with it. Thanks, Tony D. It's all in the cam. There's a LOT of weight on that one wheel. For 20 bucks more, I'd go with the Steel City version with 2 wheels, shown on that same HD page, which might actually be the same one Woodcraft sells under their house name... http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2080750/33126/WoodRiver-Universal-Mobile-Base-Hardware-Kit.aspx On sale for 50 bucks, right now. Yes it will work. I don't like the double wheel lifts. It torques the frame while lifting. I have the delta single wheel unit and like it with Wood rails , and with steel rail too . I also have an HTC with 2 lift wheels, I eliminated the second and center mounted the one wheel, now it's nice. -- Jeff |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw? Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts? But of course, they did away with it. Thanks, Tony D. Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier. Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/15/2013 12:01 PM, Leon wrote:
wrote: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw? Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts? But of course, they did away with it. Thanks, Tony D. Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier. Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV. That's bizarre. I wouldn't think there would be enough lenth on a drill press base to cause that. I would expect that on a contractor saw more than a dp (but still that baseis better than the newer unit using ply). But a unisaw should be fine, it's a smaller base. -- Jeff |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
woodchucker wrote:
On 9/15/2013 12:01 PM, Leon wrote: wrote: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw? Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts? But of course, they did away with it. Thanks, Tony D. Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier. Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV. That's bizarre. I wouldn't think there would be enough lenth on a drill press base to cause that. I would expect that on a contractor saw more than a dp (but still that baseis better than the newer unit using ply). But a unisaw should be fine, it's a smaller base. Well you do have a point with the Unisaw base being smaller. The DP base had to be expanded for stability since it was going to be mobile and not bolted to he floor. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/15/2013 9:01 AM, Leon wrote:
Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier. Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV. A trimmed out Unisaw is "around" 380lbs. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/17/2013 1:16 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/15/2013 9:01 AM, Leon wrote: Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier. Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV. A trimmed out Unisaw is "around" 380lbs. Really!? I would have thought at least 100lbs more. IIRC my old Jet was over 400, My new SawStop with mobile base and out feed is a bit over 700 lbs. Shipping weight over 800. for all additions. Actually the new Unisaw is 624 with 36" fence according to Delta. I really can't imagine the Unisaw gaining 244 lbs with the latest version. But then again that is probably shipping weight. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:05:29 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 9/17/2013 1:16 PM, Pat Barber wrote: On 9/15/2013 9:01 AM, Leon wrote: Probably not. I have two of these. I used oak for the bars. With only a DP setting on it the oak bends so much that I had to take all adjustment out of the feet so that the lifting wheel could lift enough so that the feet did not drag.. I suspect thar a Unisaw would be much heavier. Now if you used steel bars instead of wood, maybe. YMMV. A trimmed out Unisaw is "around" 380lbs. Really!? I would have thought at least 100lbs more. IIRC my old Jet was over 400, My new SawStop with mobile base and out feed is a bit over 700 lbs. Shipping weight over 800. for all additions. My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-) Actually the new Unisaw is 624 with 36" fence according to Delta. I really can't imagine the Unisaw gaining 244 lbs with the latest version. But then again that is probably shipping weight. My experience is similar. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
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Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:46:27 -0400, wrote: My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-) Perhaps it contained 240lbs of hot air inside which wafted away when the cardboard was removed? :) No, hot air would have made it lighter.. :-) |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/17/2013 2:05 PM, Leon wrote:
Really!? I would have thought at least 100lbs more. IIRC my old Jet was over 400, My new SawStop with mobile base and out feed is a bit over 700 lbs. Shipping weight over 800. for all additions. Actually the new Unisaw is 624 with 36" fence according to Delta. I really can't imagine the Unisaw gaining 244 lbs with the latest version. But then again that is probably shipping weight. Page 54 of the sales manual: http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1141/4887.pdf Note that I said 380lbs for a "trimmed out" Unisaw which in my case is a standard Unisaw with a 52" fence with a 3hp motor. The top and motor make up the majority of the weight. The cabinet and side board are fairly light. The motor size can be from 1.5hp up to 3hp and that makes up a good bit of difference in the total weight. A 1.5hp is 65lbs while a modern 3hp motor is around 80lbs. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote:
My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-) The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board which will add some weight. http://www.deltamachinery.com/produc...?category_id=1 I have no idea of the real weight of the new saw. The entire arbor assembly is a total redo of the old design that has been in place since 1938, so they did add some more weight to the saw. There is no way to compare the "old" saw to the "new" saw in weights. I own both a 1966 12"/14" tilting arbor saw and a 1971 Unisaw. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/17/2013 2:05 PM, Leon wrote: Really!? I would have thought at least 100lbs more. IIRC my old Jet was over 400, My new SawStop with mobile base and out feed is a bit over 700 lbs. Shipping weight over 800. for all additions. Actually the new Unisaw is 624 with 36" fence according to Delta. I really can't imagine the Unisaw gaining 244 lbs with the latest version. But then again that is probably shipping weight. Page 54 of the sales manual: http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1141/4887.pdf Note that I said 380lbs for a "trimmed out" Unisaw which in my case is a standard Unisaw with a 52" fence with a 3hp motor. The top and motor make up the majority of the weight. The cabinet and side board are fairly light. The motor size can be from 1.5hp up to 3hp and that makes up a good bit of difference in the total weight. A 1.5hp is 65lbs while a modern 3hp motor is around 80lbs. Sorry, I was thinking bought in the last 25 or so years. The early ones were much lighter in weight. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:36:23 -0700, Pat Barber
wrote: On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote: My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-) The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board which will add some weight. http://www.deltamachinery.com/produc...?category_id=1 I have no idea of the real weight of the new saw. The entire arbor assembly is a total redo of the old design that has been in place since 1938, so they did add some more weight to the saw. There is no way to compare the "old" saw to the "new" saw in weights. I own both a 1966 12"/14" tilting arbor saw and a 1971 Unisaw. Well, I suppose "Unisaw" is pretty vague. My ~600lb Unisaw is a 2008 "old" style. Yes, the 600lbs does include the 50" fence, two extensions, and side table (maybe all of 10 lbs ;-). It doesn't include the base (separate purchase). |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/18/2013 10:57 AM, Leon wrote:
Sorry, I was thinking bought in the last 25 or so years. The early ones were much lighter in weight. The only difference between a 1956 and 2008 is the motor size and the fence types. That would explain any weight differences. All other parts are 99.9% compatible and would weigh exactly the same. Very little changed between 1938-2008. Older Unisaws share parts all the way up to the change over to the "new" design. Many folks doing restores have almost no problem getting replacement parts for any Unisaw spanning many years. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/18/2013 4:00 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/18/2013 10:57 AM, Leon wrote: Sorry, I was thinking bought in the last 25 or so years. The early ones were much lighter in weight. The only difference between a 1956 and 2008 is the motor size and the fence types. That would explain any weight differences. All other parts are 99.9% compatible and would weigh exactly the same. Very little changed between 1938-2008. Older Unisaws share parts all the way up to the change over to the "new" design. Many folks doing restores have almost no problem getting replacement parts for any Unisaw spanning many years. That was not what I was finding when comparing the 2000 model Unisaw and the Jet. The Jet was well over 400 lbs and the Delta was heavier. I would have bought the Unisaw had it not been for the broken trunnion issues back then and the fact that the one on the sales floor had a broken trunnion too. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On 9/18/2013 10:36 AM, Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote: My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-) The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board which will add some weight. Well you did say trimmed out, I don't consider that stripped down. Typically trimmed out indicates that all parts are attached. If the fence, right extension table and cast iron left and right wings are not attached I can easily see 380. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:36:23 -0700, Pat Barber wrote: On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote: My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-) The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board which will add some weight. http://www.deltamachinery.com/produc...?category_id=1 I have no idea of the real weight of the new saw. The entire arbor assembly is a total redo of the old design that has been in place since 1938, so they did add some more weight to the saw. There is no way to compare the "old" saw to the "new" saw in weights. I own both a 1966 12"/14" tilting arbor saw and a 1971 Unisaw. Well, I suppose "Unisaw" is pretty vague. My ~600lb Unisaw is a 2008 "old" style. Yes, the 600lbs does include the 50" fence, two extensions, and side table (maybe all of 10 lbs ;-). It doesn't include the base (separate purchase). Don't forget the 60# pallet it is mounted on for shipping. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
Pat Barber wrote:
On 9/18/2013 10:57 AM, Leon wrote: Sorry, I was thinking bought in the last 25 or so years. The early ones were much lighter in weight. The only difference between a 1956 and 2008 is the motor size and the fence types. That would explain any weight differences. All other parts are 99.9% compatible and would weigh exactly the same. Very little changed between 1938-2008. Older Unisaws share parts all the way up to the change over to the "new" design. Many folks doing restores have almost no problem getting replacement parts for any Unisaw spanning many years. Ok, I read your information. The much older unisaws mentioned in the catalog are as follows. The saw with splitter,guard, and 2 extension wings, fence, 336 lbs. BUT the motor is not included.. Add the motor at either 65 or 79 pounds and you are at either at 401 or 415 pounds depending on which 1.5 hp motor you add. I did not see any motors offered with more than 1.5 hp until you started ordering with 3 phase. The more relatively modern Unisaws all came with at least 3 hp motors which are heavier still. AND BTW the Unisaw is on page 56. The saws on page 54 that you mentioned are much smaller contractor type saws. |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:56:22 -0500, Leon wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:36:23 -0700, Pat Barber wrote: On 9/17/2013 3:46 PM, wrote: My Unisaw had a shipping weight 600lbs (640lbs, IIRC). There is no way it had 260lbs of cardboard on it. ;-) The "new" Unisaw is a total redesign of the Unisaw and the weights that I see indicate a "total" weight that includes a fence and a side board which will add some weight. http://www.deltamachinery.com/produc...?category_id=1 I have no idea of the real weight of the new saw. The entire arbor assembly is a total redo of the old design that has been in place since 1938, so they did add some more weight to the saw. There is no way to compare the "old" saw to the "new" saw in weights. I own both a 1966 12"/14" tilting arbor saw and a 1971 Unisaw. Well, I suppose "Unisaw" is pretty vague. My ~600lb Unisaw is a 2008 "old" style. Yes, the 600lbs does include the 50" fence, two extensions, and side table (maybe all of 10 lbs ;-). It doesn't include the base (separate purchase). Don't forget the 60# pallet it is mounted on for shipping. I figured it as half that (about the same as a cement block). Maybe I got cheated. ;-) |
Delta 50-345 Universal Mobile Base for a unisaw
I ended up with the MB800.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360737635036... 4.m1439.l2649 But have not got it put together yet. My unisaw is from around the 40's. On Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:21:40 AM UTC-4, wrote: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-Uni...5#.UjRsFD-S1mo I had one of these under my craftsman saw, do you think it is a good choice adapted for the unisaw? Remember when harbor freight had a clone of these, good price, all you had to do was use better bolts? But of course, they did away with it. Thanks, Tony D. |
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