On 3/9/2013 1:26 AM, Bill wrote:
Gramp's shop wrote:
Bill ...

I bought a Lenovo with 4gb ram and a 500gb HD. $350 from Best Buy. No
touch screen. Like the computer but (H)8 Windows 8.

Lrry
It sounds like you did real well! I was mainly looking for something to
attach to a big screen tv, so I have been looking at those with HD,
1080P (1920x1080)--matching the TV. Most (all?) of the candidates seem
to have "4000HD" (integrated) graphics. Has anyone tried streaming video
from web pages this way with success in the way of video quality? I
have a hunch it will be hit and miss. I doubt Roy Underhill's show is
recorded (at PBS) in HD, for instance, but I'm assuming a laptop as
described would give the best possible configuration. I'll be sure to
try to avoid Windows8until I hear kinder words said about it! I was
mildly enthusiastic aboutthe touchscreen concept, but now I think I'll
sit on thesideline and hear more what those on the front line have to
report.

Bill
There aren't that many touch screens around Bill, not for laptops or
desktops. They are mostly tablets... so win8 is a miss.

As far as what Swingy said, really when you work at a screen all day and
need to do what I do, you need a keyboard. Touching a screen to type is
just ridiculous. putting your fingers where you need to view too.

I'm not against the tablet for many worker types. But they are not for
every type of worker.

--
Jeff

On 3/9/2013 4:51 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 3/9/2013 1:26 AM, Bill wrote:
Gramp's shop wrote:
Bill ...

I bought a Lenovo with 4gb ram and a 500gb HD. $350 from Best Buy. No
touch screen. Like the computer but (H)8 Windows 8.

Lrry
It sounds like you did real well! I was mainly looking for something to
attach to a big screen tv, so I have been looking at those with HD,
1080P (1920x1080)--matching the TV. Most (all?) of the candidates seem
to have "4000HD" (integrated) graphics. Has anyone tried streaming video
from web pages this way with success in the way of video quality? I
have a hunch it will be hit and miss. I doubt Roy Underhill's show is
recorded (at PBS) in HD, for instance, but I'm assuming a laptop as
described would give the best possible configuration. I'll be sure to
try to avoid Windows8until I hear kinder words said about it! I was
mildly enthusiastic aboutthe touchscreen concept, but now I think I'll
sit on thesideline and hear more what those on the front line have to
report.

Bill
There aren't that many touch screens around Bill, not for laptops or
desktops. They are mostly tablets... so win8 is a miss.

As far as what Swingy said, really when you work at a screen all day and
need to do what I do, you need a keyboard. Touching a screen to type is
just ridiculous. putting your fingers where you need to view too.

I'm not against the tablet for many worker types. But they are not for
every type of worker.



My question has always been - why just one product for all markets?
Microsoft is big enough to support more than one, IMHO.

Why foist a touch screen GUI off on desktops?

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:47:51 -0500, Bill
http://www.amazon.com/High-Quality-B...ds=hdmi+to+usb

Thank you. I have this one on my Amazon "wish list":
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-H...I289UCEVO10GOX

That one you have selected is HDMI on both ends. It will only work if
your video card has an HDMI output. Otherwise, you're going to have to
go with a USB to HDMI cable.

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 08:44:07 -0600, Swingman wrote:
Now, take a look again at Win8 and tell me where MSFT is betting the
future of computing is headed (the traditional PC, as we have known it
for 30 years, is fading fast, witness declining sales and prices),
particularly with regard to a more traditional human form of computer
interaction.

And, if you consider the recent advent of 3D in movies, I'd suggest
that long before 30 years has expired, we'll be using direct
interaction interfaces not too far removed from a holodeck.

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 11:25:08 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
I had not even thought of that. My big objection has always been the
finger prints on the screen, something that is a constant situation with
my iPad and iPhone.

Dealt with that problem on a previous phone with a screen protector.
Not necessary as much with my current phone which has Gorilla glass.

On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 21:34:51 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

I have a friend that is the head IT engineer for a school system
here. We get together and test out bourbons and smoke cigars and
talk things over in general.

He assured me at our last outing that I needed to buy myself a copy of
Windows 7 and put it aside for later use. He snarled and bristled for
a half hour about all the things that were wrong with Win 8, and
assured me it was as bad as the change to Vista from XP, and probably
even worse.

According to his opinion, 8 was designed to be compatible with the
Windows Phone and its upcoming OS, not for desktops or laptops.

Yet another misfire from the good folks at Microsoft.

Robert

Wonder what SP1 of 8 will address, or will they continue make a IBM
like decisions when the PC emerged?

On 3/9/2013 6:49 PM, Dave wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 08:44:07 -0600, Swingman wrote:
Now, take a look again at Win8 and tell me where MSFT is betting the
future of computing is headed (the traditional PC, as we have known it
for 30 years, is fading fast, witness declining sales and prices),
particularly with regard to a more traditional human form of computer
interaction.

And, if you consider the recent advent of 3D in movies, I'd suggest
that long before 30 years has expired, we'll be using direct
interaction interfaces not too far removed from a holodeck.

I have not seen any great successes in 3D movies. There are people who
because of common eye problems can not watch 3D movies.

I believe they are like the areocar and the land/water vehicles, and
will always be the coming thing.

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 21:22:52 -0500, Keith Nuttle
I have not seen any great successes in 3D movies. There are people who
because of common eye problems can not watch 3D movies.

Sure, you're right, but it is still a new technology and will have
problems in the beginning. Every little bit of technological
experimentation will add up to the greater whole ~ eventually.

Dave wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:47:51 -0500, Bill
http://www.amazon.com/High-Quality-B...ds=hdmi+to+usb
Thank you. I have this one on my Amazon "wish list":
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-H...I289UCEVO10GOX
That one you have selected is HDMI on both ends. It will only work if
your video card has an HDMI output. Otherwise, you're going to have to
go with a USB to HDMI cable.

Well, that's good to know. I will be sure to check that the unit I get
has an HDMI output jack. I was rather taking it for granted that an HD
laptop would have that--and I know it's not good to assume...

My wife talked me into going to Best Buy tonight (really), and I was
surprised how
many different laptops and tablets they had. Virtually all had Windows
8. There are
definitely more 1080P units than they had just a few months ago, and
more afffordable
ones too.

So am I to understand that you can make Windows 8 play just like Windows7?
I should have tried it while I was at the store...

Bill

On 3/9/2013 10:58 PM, Bill wrote:
Dave wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:47:51 -0500, Bill
http://www.amazon.com/High-Quality-B...ds=hdmi+to+usb

Thank you. I have this one on my Amazon "wish list":
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-H...I289UCEVO10GOX

That one you have selected is HDMI on both ends. It will only work if
your video card has an HDMI output. Otherwise, you're going to have to
go with a USB to HDMI cable.

Well, that's good to know. I will be sure to check that the unit I get
has an HDMI output jack. I was rather taking it for granted that an HD
laptop would have that--and I know it's not good to assume...

My wife talked me into going to Best Buy tonight (really), and I was
surprised how
many different laptops and tablets they had. Virtually all had Windows
8. There are
definitely more 1080P units than they had just a few months ago, and
more afffordable
ones too.

So am I to understand that you can make Windows 8 play just like Windows7?
I should have tried it while I was at the store...

Some computers have a regular HDMI port on them, my laptop does, some
have a mini HDMI connector, some have neither, shop carefully.

You can make Win8 behave somewhat like 7 with a few additions, depends
what you want. I mostly avoid the touchy feely interface, but the
internals of Win8 seem much smoother than earlier versions, and it is
very stable.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:58:19 -0500, Bill
wrote:



My wife talked me into going to Best Buy tonight (really), and I was
surprised how
many different laptops and tablets they had. Virtually all had Windows
8. There are
definitely more 1080P units than they had just a few months ago, and
more afffordable
ones too.

So am I to understand that you can make Windows 8 play just like Windows7?
I should have tried it while I was at the store...

Bill

I wonder if DG is still selling W7 or if the web page has just not
been updated. All of these list W7 system
http://dgcomputerconsulting.com/Products.html#cat=3

I've bought about 25 computers from him over the years, home and work.

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:58:19 -0500, Bill
So am I to understand that you can make Windows 8 play just like Windows7?
I should have tried it while I was at the store...

There's several things you can do. You can run Windows 8 in classic
mode with a start menu. It would still be Windows 8, but look similar
to Windows 7.
http://www.howtogeek.com/107711/how-...-in-windows-8/

The alternative is if you don't like Windows 8 and can't get used to
it, you can downgrade it to Windows 7. But, you have to make sure that
the copy of Windows 8 that you've got or plan to purchase, can be
downgraded. Not all versions have that option.
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...-to-windows-7/

PHT wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:10:54 -0800, Gramp's shop wrote:

Brought home a new laptop today with Windows 8 installed. First
impression: they let a few nutjobs take over the design of this OS
when the A-team was out to lunch. Nothing is intuitive. Simple
things, like moving a file from one folder to another, require one
to use Explorer. Even "my computer" no longer resides on the
desktop. There are two interfaces -- the tiles version and one that
kinda mimics the familiar XP version. The former is loaded with a
lot of junk.

It's going to take me hours to get this machine set up -- hours that
I could spend more enjoyably in the shop.

BTW, this is being written on my old machine, which needs to be
returned to my employer come retirement date (May 3).

Larry


This sounds like a very good time to dump the windows OS and install
Linux. A far better OS.


Right. Get a knock-off of a 40-year old operating system designed by a
money-losing division of your local telephone company.

Linux commands less than TWO PERCENT (1.2%) of the desktop operating
systems. The remainder of desktop users have chosen to vote with their
wallet by choosing some version of Windows, Apple, or "Other."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...rating_systems

On 03/10/2013 03:53 AM, HeyBub wrote:
PHT wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:10:54 -0800, Gramp's shop wrote:

Brought home a new laptop today with Windows 8 installed. First
impression: they let a few nutjobs take over the design of this OS
when the A-team was out to lunch. Nothing is intuitive. Simple
things, like moving a file from one folder to another, require one
to use Explorer. Even "my computer" no longer resides on the
desktop. There are two interfaces -- the tiles version and one that
kinda mimics the familiar XP version. The former is loaded with a
lot of junk.

It's going to take me hours to get this machine set up -- hours that
I could spend more enjoyably in the shop.

BTW, this is being written on my old machine, which needs to be
returned to my employer come retirement date (May 3).

Larry


This sounds like a very good time to dump the windows OS and install
Linux. A far better OS.


Right. Get a knock-off of a 40-year old operating system designed by a
money-losing division of your local telephone company.

Right. That's why I don't fly in these knock-offs of a 110 year old
design by two guys who worked in a bicycle shop.


Linux commands less than TWO PERCENT (1.2%) of the desktop operating
systems. The remainder of desktop users have chosen to vote with their
wallet by choosing some version of Windows, Apple, or "Other."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...rating_systems




--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:53:30 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:




Right. Get a knock-off of a 40-year old operating system designed by a
money-losing division of your local telephone company.

Linux commands less than TWO PERCENT (1.2%) of the desktop operating
systems. The remainder of desktop users have chosen to vote with their
wallet by choosing some version of Windows, Apple, or "Other."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...rating_systems


Linux users remind me of a religious cult.

On 03/10/2013 06:41 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:53:30 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:




Right. Get a knock-off of a 40-year old operating system designed by a
money-losing division of your local telephone company.

Linux commands less than TWO PERCENT (1.2%) of the desktop operating
systems. The remainder of desktop users have chosen to vote with their
wallet by choosing some version of Windows, Apple, or "Other."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...rating_systems


Linux users remind me of a religious cult.


Windows users remind me of Democrats.


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 3/10/2013 4:03 AM, Dave wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:58:19 -0500, Bill
So am I to understand that you can make Windows 8 play just like Windows7?
I should have tried it while I was at the store...

There's several things you can do. You can run Windows 8 in classic
mode with a start menu. It would still be Windows 8, but look similar
to Windows 7.
http://www.howtogeek.com/107711/how-...-in-windows-8/

The alternative is if you don't like Windows 8 and can't get used to
it, you can downgrade it to Windows 7. But, you have to make sure that
the copy of Windows 8 that you've got or plan to purchase, can be
downgraded. Not all versions have that option.
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...-to-windows-7/


How that is funny! You have to pay extra when buying a program to be
able to revert it back to its predecessor.

On 3/10/2013 10:20 AM, Leon wrote:

How that is funny! You have to pay extra when buying a program to be
able to revert it back to its predecessor.

No funnier than when someone moans and groans to me that they spent an
hour trying to figure out to turn off their new Win8 computer.

How do you turn off your farking TV, eh?? LOL

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Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On 3/10/2013 8:55 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
Windows users remind me of Democrats.

Damn, what a low blow, Bubba!!



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Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On 3/10/2013 8:26 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

Right. That's why I don't fly in these knock-offs of a 110 year old
design by two guys who worked in a bicycle shop.

Well said ...

The ONLY smart way to decide upon an OS is to chose the software that
does the job you need done, then chose the OS that runs it best.

Denigrating other folks choice in an operating system is the
unmistakable sign of an ignorant fool.

--
eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

In article om,
Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 03/09/2013, some people rote:

This sounds like a very good time to dump the windows OS and install
Linux. A far better OS.

Paul


Phooey on the new Gnome shell, Unity, and the other alleged "improvements"
to linux desktops, too.


If you don't like those desktops, take a look through this:

http://www.nixtutor.com/ubuntu/20-ubuntu-derivatives-you-should-know-about/


Thanks, I've used XFCE in the past and I'm inclined to switch to Mint
when support for lucid ends this year.



--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

Dave wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:58:19 -0500, Bill
So am I to understand that you can make Windows 8 play just like Windows7?
I should have tried it while I was at the store...
There's several things you can do. You can run Windows 8 in classic
mode with a start menu. It would still be Windows 8, but look similar
to Windows 7.
http://www.howtogeek.com/107711/how-...-in-windows-8/

The alternative is if you don't like Windows 8 and can't get used to
it, you can downgrade it to Windows 7. But, you have to make sure that
the copy of Windows 8 that you've got or plan to purchase, can be
downgraded. Not all versions have that option.
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...-to-windows-7/

It's hard to believe the "nonsense" of putting Windows8
on a laptop or desktop without a touch screen has made it this far.

With a little time, I expect the consumer will guide them to improve this,
like they did with Windows Vista.

Regarding Linux: As Swingman said(I'm paraphrasing), people will use the
software and OSwhich best meets their needs.

Unfortunately $$$ is a big, invisible, part of the game too. It reminds
me of the ridiculous amount of time I spent yesterday looking for a
"D-Grip shovel handlegrip" for a snow shovel. They are not sold by any
stores separately because they want you to buy a new shovel instead.
There is basically 1 on Amazon and 1 on E-Bay(which I bought), period.
So that's my analogy: Linux is like the shovel handle grip which is not
profitable enough for commercial entities to embrace.

Bill

Bill wrote:
Dave wrote:
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:58:19 -0500, Bill
So am I to understand that you can make Windows 8 play just like
Windows7?
I should have tried it while I was at the store...
There's several things you can do. You can run Windows 8 in classic
mode with a start menu. It would still be Windows 8, but look similar
to Windows 7.
http://www.howtogeek.com/107711/how-...-in-windows-8/


The alternative is if you don't like Windows 8 and can't get used to
it, you can downgrade it to Windows 7. But, you have to make sure that
the copy of Windows 8 that you've got or plan to purchase, can be
downgraded. Not all versions have that option.
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-dow...-to-windows-7/

It's hard to believe the "nonsense" of putting Windows8
on a laptop or desktop without a touch screen has made it this far.

With a little time, I expect the consumer will guide them to improve
this,
like they did with Windows Vista.

Regarding Linux: As Swingman said(I'm paraphrasing), people will use
the software and OSwhich best meets their needs.

Unfortunately $$$ is a big, invisible, part of the game too. It
reminds me of the ridiculous amount of time I spent yesterday looking
for a "D-Grip shovel handlegrip" for a snow shovel. They are not sold
by any stores separately because they want you to buy a new shovel
instead. There is basically 1 on Amazon and 1 on E-Bay(which I
bought), period. So that's my analogy: Linux is like the shovel handle
grip which is not profitable enough for commercial entities to embrace.
In retrospect, instead of making a poor analogy, maybe I should just say
that "Microsoft OS will not be replaced without a fight (from them)!



Bill

Swingman wrote in
:

How do you turn off your farking TV, eh?? LOL

I put it on a switchable powerstrip. Only the Verizon DVR stays on.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Bill wrote:

It reminds me of the ridiculous amount of time I spent yesterday
looking for a "D-Grip shovel handlegrip" for a snow shovel.
-----------------------------------------------
What's a snow shovel?

Lew

Han wrote:
Swingman wrote in
:

How do you turn off your farking TV, eh?? LOL
I put it on a switchable powerstrip. Only the Verizon DVR stays on.


My wife came home with a 3-pack of these (one control, 3 outlets for
$10). Very handy if you have switch-controlled outlets. For instance,
if you have 2 lamps plugged into one of the outlets, you can turn each
of the lamps on and off without leaving the comfort of wherever you are.

http://www.menards.com/main/see-more...48-c-12683.htm

Bill

Bill wrote in
:

Han wrote:
Swingman wrote in
:

How do you turn off your farking TV, eh?? LOL
I put it on a switchable powerstrip. Only the Verizon DVR stays on.


My wife came home with a 3-pack of these (one control, 3 outlets for
$10). Very handy if you have switch-controlled outlets. For
instance, if you have 2 lamps plugged into one of the outlets, you can
turn each of the lamps on and off without leaving the comfort of
wherever you are.

http://www.menards.com/main/see-more...itchen-laundry
-accessibility/lighting-switches/indoor-wireless-remote-outlet/p-147724
8-c-12683.htm

Bill

Ours is just an old powerstrip with a single switch for all outlets, plus
1 or 2 outlets that remain unswitched. It's an old computer surge
suppressor strip, clunky and rather unsightly, but it works fine.

But thanks for the idea of those remote switches. Will buy something
like that for my basement workshop and laundry area!! No Menards near
New Jersey though ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:20:03 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
How that is funny! You have to pay extra when buying a program to be
able to revert it back to its predecessor.

Well, if you knew you weren't going to like the new operating system,
you wouldn't have bought it in the first place.

But, I'm willing to admit that I've done worse. Bought my first tablet
back in March of last year. Bought a case for it, optional keyboard,
SD card, the whole works. Cost me $1000. Used if for about a month and
hated it. Just too difficult for me to get around with it in the
chair. Ended up selling it for $500.

Three months later, bought a smartphone. Basically the same as the
tablet, but much more portable. Love it.

Sometimes you just don't know if you're going to hate or like
something until you actually use it a bit. Usually, that finding out
costs you money.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 06:55:14 -0700, Doug Winterburn
Windows users remind me of Democrats.

Oh ouch, that hurts. You're just plain *mean*!

On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 13:06:07 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
What's a snow shovel?

In this current technological age, it's one of these.
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/elec...wblower/938847

On 3/10/2013 8:55 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 03/10/2013 06:41 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:53:30 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:




Right. Get a knock-off of a 40-year old operating system designed by a
money-losing division of your local telephone company.

Linux commands less than TWO PERCENT (1.2%) of the desktop operating
systems. The remainder of desktop users have chosen to vote with their
wallet by choosing some version of Windows, Apple, or "Other."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...rating_systems


Linux users remind me of a religious cult.


Windows users remind me of Democrats.




As I said a while back, we all use the slurs we misunderstand best...

On 3/10/2013 3:33 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in
:

Han wrote:
wrote in
:

How do you turn off your farking TV, eh?? LOL
I put it on a switchable powerstrip. Only the Verizon DVR stays on.


My wife came home with a 3-pack of these (one control, 3 outlets for
$10). Very handy if you have switch-controlled outlets. For
instance, if you have 2 lamps plugged into one of the outlets, you can
turn each of the lamps on and off without leaving the comfort of
wherever you are.

http://www.menards.com/main/see-more...itchen-laundry
-accessibility/lighting-switches/indoor-wireless-remote-outlet/p-147724
8-c-12683.htm

Bill

Ours is just an old powerstrip with a single switch for all outlets, plus
1 or 2 outlets that remain unswitched. It's an old computer surge
suppressor strip, clunky and rather unsightly, but it works fine.

But thanks for the idea of those remote switches. Will buy something
like that for my basement workshop and laundry area!! No Menards near
New Jersey though ...


I have one remote left (of three) that looks something like a wall light
switch, but is in fact a remote switch.

As for the TV and VCR/DVD/recorder/CD/amplifier stack, they get turned
on only as needed (switched power strip). None of that stuff really
turns itself off any more. Some of those toys are really bad power pigs.
The light bill went down $30 a month...

On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 05:53:30 -0500, HeyBub wrote:

Linux commands less than TWO PERCENT (1.2%) of the desktop operating
systems. The remainder of desktop users have chosen to vote with their
wallet by choosing some version of Windows, Apple, or "Other."

I wonder what "other" is?

Linux will always have a small share. It doesn't force hardware sellers
into exclusive agreements, it doesn't advertise except by word of mouth,
and it requires a user to have a bit more computer savvy than MS or Apple
systems.

And, to be fair, it is lacking in some areas, like CAD and high end games.

--
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying a cross.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

What's a snow shovel?

-----------------------------------------
"Dave" wrote:

In this current technological age, it's one of these.
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/elec...wblower/938847
-----------------------------------------
Strange looking device.

Can it be used on the Bar-B-Q?

Lew

On 03/10/2013 08:52 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 3/10/2013 8:55 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
Windows users remind me of Democrats.

Damn, what a low blow, Bubba!!



Well, I didn't mean *ALL* windows users, only the kool aid ones ;-)

BTW, I wonder how may linux dissers have android tablets or phones?


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

Doug Winterburn wrote:

Windows users remind me of Democrats.
----------------------------------------------
Have a lot or respect for Windows, I see.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:513d18bc$0$38086
:

Strange looking device.

Can it be used on the Bar-B-Q?

Lew

No, but some of the older ones [snow blowers] that don't wrap all the
working parts in plastic can be used to drive woodworking tools like
Jointers. Maybe even a saw if your saw uses the right belt.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

Richard wrote in
m:



My question has always been - why just one product for all markets?
Microsoft is big enough to support more than one, IMHO.

Why foist a touch screen GUI off on desktops?

Microsoft asked that question and came up with an answer: They'll turn
on features for different OS levels and turn off other, less relavent
features at others. (Most system admins don't want to see Solitaire and
Freecell installed by default on a server.)

That's why there's Home, Pro, Enterprise and all those other editions.

Why not have two shells? Most people won't understand why their tablet
displays one thing while their desktop displays another. Education is
expensive, and will probably be deemed not worth it.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

Strange looking device.

Can it be used on the Bar-B-Q?
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"Puckdropper" wrote:

No, but some of the older ones [snow blowers] that don't wrap all
the
working parts in plastic can be used to drive woodworking tools like
Jointers. Maybe even a saw if your saw uses the right belt.
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I'll pass.

A cool Pina Colada under a palm tree on a warm beach
is more my speed.

Lew

On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:20:40 -0400, Dave wrote:


Sometimes you just don't know if you're going to hate or like
something until you actually use it a bit. Usually, that finding out
costs you money.

When I first saw the Netbooks with a 10" screen, I thought it was
crazy to buy a tiny computer like that. Keyboard is too small, limited
power, etc, etc.

I saw one on sale for $180 so I figured I try in on a trip. That
little machine had been to four countries, a dozen states and will go
to a dozen more in May. Sometimes it sits on my belly when I'm in the
recliner in front of the TV.

My wife has a 17" laptop that never leaves the house. Too damned heavy
to drag around an airport or in and out of hotel rooms.