On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:14:59 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Lobby Dosser" wrote

If I were in the market for a saw and the price between the SawStop and
the major brands was less than 50% or so, I'd go SawStop. The quality
Appears better and there is that peace of mind ...
You are the second to say that the quality of sawstop is better. I am
surprised at that.

What other saws are you comparing sawstop to, saying the quality is
superior?

Looking at them today (business in Atlanta - must play with toys). I think
the SawStop is every bit as good as the new Unisaw. I don't think either is
worth twice an old Unisaw, though.

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:31:25 -0500, "Leon" wrote:

"Now" is not 18 months ago. ;~) And perhaps what I should have mentioned
was that that TS being manufacutred "now" whould have the riving knife, as
I
have been told. Basically it is very easy to buy a new saw with a riving
knife now with out having to go to a specific brand in particular. There
may be exceptions to the rule.
BTY the "latest" Unisaw that appeared last year, the one with 2 controll
wheels on the front, has a riving knife. Jet has had one for about 2-3
years, Powermatic introduced it with the 2000 model.

Yes, but they're still selling the older Unisaurs. I don't believe
they've
retrofitted a riving knife. I don't see one, anyway:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.




http://www.deltaportercable.com/Prod...roductID=11143


Imagine the controversy way back when, when the current style guard was
introduced and mandated by the government to be use on all saws.... I
wonder who the SOB was that came up with that absurd thing ;~)

Got a cite for the "mandate"?

No. Is there an option to buy a saw with out the guard? I highly suspect
the government has been involved in some way.
As a majority of users do not use the guard....

My bet is that it's their lawyers who have made this decision, not a
government mandate.3

Some way or another the manufacturers are being convinced.

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:41:50 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:52:45 -0500, "Leon" wrote:
The Gripper and "their" splitter addresses this.

We'll see. I ordered a pair. The price was right.


Seriously I too was skeptical for some time but now I would not want to be
with out them. I truly think you will be happy with them. If you can get
your hands on their DVD it has a world of suggested uses that make certain
things possible.

Yes, I plan on watching it. I've been looking at these things for some time,
often scratching my head wondering how they were supposed to be used. ;-) I
think the DVD comes with the widget. If not, it's a freebie on their site.
When they went on sale I thought I'd ask here. Seems like a pretty unanimous
endorsement, here, so I took the plunge. Kinda like FesteringTools. ;-)

I have not see all of the on-line videos on the site, perhaps they cover the
gambit.

Will do. I'm waiting to until I have one in my mitts so I can play with it
while watching.

Thanks all!

Leon wrote:
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:31:25 -0500, "Leon" wrote:
"Now" is not 18 months ago. ;~) And perhaps what I should have mentioned
was that that TS being manufacutred "now" whould have the riving knife, as
I
have been told. Basically it is very easy to buy a new saw with a riving
knife now with out having to go to a specific brand in particular. There
may be exceptions to the rule.
BTY the "latest" Unisaw that appeared last year, the one with 2 controll
wheels on the front, has a riving knife. Jet has had one for about 2-3
years, Powermatic introduced it with the 2000 model.
Yes, but they're still selling the older Unisaurs. I don't believe
they've
retrofitted a riving knife. I don't see one, anyway:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.



http://www.deltaportercable.com/Prod...roductID=11143


Imagine the controversy way back when, when the current style guard was
introduced and mandated by the government to be use on all saws.... I
wonder who the SOB was that came up with that absurd thing ;~)
Got a cite for the "mandate"?
No. Is there an option to buy a saw with out the guard? I highly suspect
the government has been involved in some way.
As a majority of users do not use the guard....
My bet is that it's their lawyers who have made this decision, not a
government mandate.3

Some way or another the manufacturers are being convinced.

Ever hear of OSHA????

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=9837

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On 8/17/2010 9:03 PM, dpb wrote:
Leon wrote:
wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:31:25 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:
"Now" is not 18 months ago. ;~) And perhaps what I should have
mentioned
was that that TS being manufacutred "now" whould have the riving
knife, as I
have been told. Basically it is very easy to buy a new saw with a
riving
knife now with out having to go to a specific brand in particular.
There
may be exceptions to the rule.
BTY the "latest" Unisaw that appeared last year, the one with 2
controll
wheels on the front, has a riving knife. Jet has had one for about 2-3
years, Powermatic introduced it with the 2000 model.
Yes, but they're still selling the older Unisaurs. I don't believe
they've
retrofitted a riving knife. I don't see one, anyway:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for
it either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get,
if you don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.



http://www.deltaportercable.com/Prod...roductID=11143



Imagine the controversy way back when, when the current style
guard was
introduced and mandated by the government to be use on all saws.... I
wonder who the SOB was that came up with that absurd thing ;~)
Got a cite for the "mandate"?
No. Is there an option to buy a saw with out the guard? I highly
suspect
the government has been involved in some way.
As a majority of users do not use the guard....
My bet is that it's their lawyers who have made this decision, not a
government mandate.3

Some way or another the manufacturers are being convinced.

Ever hear of OSHA????

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=9837

1910.213(s)(14)

Operators shall not ride the carriage of a veneer slicer.

Damn ... took all the fun out it!

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Your school doesn't have 3 phase voltage to the shop?

On 8/17/2010 7:12 PM, Morgans wrote:
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Less than 10%, that's all??

To be compeditive I would certanly bite. I thought initiallly it was
going to add 25% to the cost of the saw.


I would be happy to pay 6% extra for the saw stop function.

I would not buy the saw stop company saw because of the features it is
lacking.

I want at minnimum a 12" blade, and at least 5 HP motor.

Also, my school is wired with 208 voltage. If the saw motor is not wound
for 208 instead of 230, you get a motor that does not put out rated power
and overheats pretty fast, because it runs drawing many more amps that it is
supposed to. Not good for those projects where students are waiting in a
line to use the table saw. Constant use with the wrong voltage motor will
cause the thermal protection to trip at the drop of a hat.

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:41:50 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:52:45 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:
The Gripper and "their" splitter addresses this.

We'll see. I ordered a pair. The price was right.


Seriously I too was skeptical for some time but now I would not want to be
with out them. I truly think you will be happy with them. If you can get
your hands on their DVD it has a world of suggested uses that make certain
things possible.

Yes, I plan on watching it. I've been looking at these things for some
time,
often scratching my head wondering how they were supposed to be used. ;-)
I
think the DVD comes with the widget. If not, it's a freebie on their
site.
When they went on sale I thought I'd ask here. Seems like a pretty
unanimous
endorsement, here, so I took the plunge. Kinda like FesteringTools. ;-)

Except affordable ...

Swingman wrote:
On 8/17/2010 9:03 PM, dpb wrote:
....

Ever hear of OSHA????

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=9837


1910.213(s)(14)

Operators shall not ride the carriage of a veneer slicer.

Damn ... took all the fun out it!

Snicker/snort...

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"tiredofspam" wrote:

Your school doesn't have 3 phase voltage to the shop?
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208Y/120 is 3 phase.

Lew

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:08:03 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:31:25 -0500, "Leon" wrote:

"Now" is not 18 months ago. ;~) And perhaps what I should have mentioned
was that that TS being manufacutred "now" whould have the riving knife, as
I
have been told. Basically it is very easy to buy a new saw with a riving
knife now with out having to go to a specific brand in particular. There
may be exceptions to the rule.
BTY the "latest" Unisaw that appeared last year, the one with 2 controll
wheels on the front, has a riving knife. Jet has had one for about 2-3
years, Powermatic introduced it with the 2000 model.

Yes, but they're still selling the older Unisaurs. I don't believe
they've
retrofitted a riving knife. I don't see one, anyway:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.

No, I haven't seen it. I did see a Biese riving knife today at Woodcraft, but
I thought it was for the new Unisaw.


http://www.deltaportercable.com/Prod...roductID=11143


Imagine the controversy way back when, when the current style guard was
introduced and mandated by the government to be use on all saws.... I
wonder who the SOB was that came up with that absurd thing ;~)

Got a cite for the "mandate"?

No. Is there an option to buy a saw with out the guard? I highly suspect
the government has been involved in some way.
As a majority of users do not use the guard....

My bet is that it's their lawyers who have made this decision, not a
government mandate.3

Some way or another the manufacturers are being convinced.

There is a difference.

"tiredofspam" nospam.nospam.com wrote

Your school doesn't have 3 phase voltage to the shop?

Good point.

Yes, it does, but there is a problem putting more 3 phase machines in place
because of:
1) lack of space in the wire pull trough installed underneath the concrete.
(slab on grade)
2) even more of a problem is the lack of space in the breaker panel for
another 3 phase breaker.
3) lack of money for schools to spend on adding more panels or more wire
pull space or otherwise updating electrical service. I am lucky to get
enough money for an occasional new piece of machinery and other needed
supplies for the shop.

The school district was ripped off by the contractor when the school was
built. That and the inpecting of the work done and acceptance inspecting
blew it. I am told that when they moved in to the school, they plugged a
piece of equipment in, and found it would not turn on. They went to the
breaker panel to check if the breaker had not been turned on, or was tripped
off. They opened the panel cover door, and found that there were no
breakers or wire installed from the panel to the saw stations. The
contractor was already paid and gone, and they never went after them to
complete the work. Perhaps that was how the work was speced. I don't know.
--
Jim in NC

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:08:03 -0500, "Leon" wrote:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if
you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.

No, I haven't seen it. I did see a Biese riving knife today at Woodcraft,
but
I thought it was for the new Unisaw.

Yeah the new Unisaw does have a riving knife but for 10+ years Biesemeyer
has offered a removable splitter for 2 or 3 different brand saws including
the Unisaws.

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
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Snip


Yes, I plan on watching it. I've been looking at these things for some
time,
often scratching my head wondering how they were supposed to be used.
;-) I
think the DVD comes with the widget. If not, it's a freebie on their
site.
When they went on sale I thought I'd ask here. Seems like a pretty
unanimous
endorsement, here, so I took the plunge. Kinda like FesteringTools. ;-)



Except affordable ...


Hey you have to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Festool sells several non corded tools that are as useful as the Gripper and
less expensive. Sanding blocks, tape measures, clamps. ;~)

On 8/18/2010 9:22 AM, Leon wrote:
wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:08:03 -0500, wrote:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if
you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.

No, I haven't seen it. I did see a Biese riving knife today at Woodcraft,
but
I thought it was for the new Unisaw.

Yeah the new Unisaw does have a riving knife but for 10+ years Biesemeyer
has offered a removable splitter for 2 or 3 different brand saws including
the Unisaws.

Just FWIW, a riving knife is part of the new guard you get with the
recall on Craftsman radial arm saws.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:22:51 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:08:03 -0500, "Leon" wrote:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if
you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.

No, I haven't seen it. I did see a Biese riving knife today at Woodcraft,
but
I thought it was for the new Unisaw.

Yeah the new Unisaw does have a riving knife but for 10+ years Biesemeyer
has offered a removable splitter for 2 or 3 different brand saws including
the Unisaws.

$171 Yikes! Maybe, though. I'd use it a lot more than the full guard, which
not only a PITA to install but makes life more difficult than it needs to be.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 09:52:23 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

On 8/18/2010 9:22 AM, Leon wrote:
wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:08:03 -0500, wrote:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if
you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.

No, I haven't seen it. I did see a Biese riving knife today at Woodcraft,
but
I thought it was for the new Unisaw.

Yeah the new Unisaw does have a riving knife but for 10+ years Biesemeyer
has offered a removable splitter for 2 or 3 different brand saws including
the Unisaws.

Just FWIW, a riving knife is part of the new guard you get with the
recall on Craftsman radial arm saws.

I thought you got $150 in exchange for the motor? My Crapsman has a splitter
and plaws. How is the riving knife better?

On 8/18/2010 5:08 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

I thought you got $150 in exchange for the motor? My Crapsman has a splitter
and plaws. How is the riving knife better?

Rides up and down with the blade, therefore doesn't get in the way of
push blocks toward the end of a cut like pawls can, and can generally be
left on when doing non-through cuts ... the latter being as big a plus
as the safety factor.

There might be more ...

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Gripper?

I hardly know her!

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:15:10 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 8/18/2010 5:08 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

I thought you got $150 in exchange for the motor? My Crapsman has a splitter
and plaws. How is the riving knife better?

Rides up and down with the blade, therefore doesn't get in the way of
push blocks toward the end of a cut like pawls can, and can generally be
left on when doing non-through cuts ... the latter being as big a plus
as the safety factor.

I understand how they differ on a table saw, but a RAS splitter does go up and
down with the blade. It's part of the blade guard, mounted to the motor.

There might be more ...

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:53:28 -0400, Nova wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:42:39 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


"Nova" wrote in message
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IIRC, he first tried to get the government to pass legislation requiring
his device on all table saw sold in the US. When that failed he started
producing his own table saws.

IIRC he offered the license and when he was turned down went to the
government. Now I am guessing that most the manufacturers wish that they
had done otherwise. Anyway probably as a result most manufacturers began
offering riving knives and marginally better guards. Now I believe all saws
have to have the riving knives.


Since when? My 18-month-old Unisaur doesn't have a riving knife. They're
still selling them.


Imagine the controversy way back when, when the current style guard was
introduced and mandated by the government to be use on all saws.... I
wonder who the SOB was that came up with that absurd thing ;~)


Got a cite for the "mandate"?

I don't think a riving knife is mandatory but I believe in 2009
Underwriters Laboratories required a table saw to be equipped with a
riving knife to obtain certification under UL 987 Section 42.3.

That makes a lot more sense. UL compliance is completely voluntary, so it's
in no way a "mandate". ...not that I wouldn't put it past Congress or their
bureaucratic minions to do such a thing.

Sounds like a great description for a great date!


"Robatoy" wrote in message
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Gripper?

I hardly know her!

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:22:51 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:08:03 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if
you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.

No, I haven't seen it. I did see a Biese riving knife today at
Woodcraft,
but
I thought it was for the new Unisaw.

Yeah the new Unisaw does have a riving knife but for 10+ years
Biesemeyer
has offered a removable splitter for 2 or 3 different brand saws including
the Unisaws.

$171 Yikes! Maybe, though. I'd use it a lot more than the full guard,
which
not only a PITA to install but makes life more difficult than it needs to
be.


Yes, it is pricey but it does solve problems.

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:15:10 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 8/18/2010 5:08 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

I thought you got $150 in exchange for the motor? My Crapsman has a
splitter
and plaws. How is the riving knife better?

Rides up and down with the blade, therefore doesn't get in the way of
push blocks toward the end of a cut like pawls can, and can generally be
left on when doing non-through cuts ... the latter being as big a plus
as the safety factor.

I understand how they differ on a table saw, but a RAS splitter does go up
and
down with the blade. It's part of the blade guard, mounted to the motor.

There might be more ...

The workings of a riving knife on a TS are more complicated and I would have
to imagine that it would have to be designed in, vs. being an add on.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:53:32 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:15:10 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 8/18/2010 5:08 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

I thought you got $150 in exchange for the motor? My Crapsman has a
splitter
and plaws. How is the riving knife better?

Rides up and down with the blade, therefore doesn't get in the way of
push blocks toward the end of a cut like pawls can, and can generally be
left on when doing non-through cuts ... the latter being as big a plus
as the safety factor.

I understand how they differ on a table saw, but a RAS splitter does go up
and
down with the blade. It's part of the blade guard, mounted to the motor.

There might be more ...

The workings of a riving knife on a TS are more complicated and I would have
to imagine that it would have to be designed in, vs. being an add on.

Perhaps, but this piece of the tread (and my question) concerned Crapsman
RASs.

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:51:10 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:22:51 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:08:03 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:

I believe you are correct, I have a Jet and don't see a retrofit for it
either. You are aware of the Biese splitter kit that you could get, if
you
don't hace one already? Second best thing I would think.

No, I haven't seen it. I did see a Biese riving knife today at
Woodcraft,
but
I thought it was for the new Unisaw.

Yeah the new Unisaw does have a riving knife but for 10+ years
Biesemeyer
has offered a removable splitter for 2 or 3 different brand saws including
the Unisaws.

$171 Yikes! Maybe, though. I'd use it a lot more than the full guard,
which
not only a PITA to install but makes life more difficult than it needs to
be.


Yes, it is pricey but it does solve problems.

Yes, but it is in the "must think about" range. I do hate taking the factory
guard on and off, though. This would solve that problem.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
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Gripper?

I hardly know her!




Go out there and win this one for the Gripper!

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:51:10 -0500, "Leon" wrote:
it

Yes, it is pricey but it does solve problems.

Yes, but it is in the "must think about" range. I do hate taking the
factory
guard on and off, though. This would solve that problem.


Did you happen to see the MJ Splitter at the Gripper site. Simple small
much less expensive, unless you compare pound for pound. ;~)

I have the Steel version as the "plastic" only version did not hold up.

On Aug 19, 8:17*am, "Leon" wrote:
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:51:10 -0500, "Leon" wrote:
it

Yes, it is pricey but it does solve problems.

Yes, but it is in the "must think about" range. *I do hate taking the
factory
guard on and off, though. *This would solve that problem.

Did you happen to see the MJ Splitter at the Gripper site. *Simple small
much less expensive, unless you compare pound for pound. *;~)

I have the Steel version as the "plastic" only version did not hold up.

Sure, I'm on the second set of plastic MJ splitters. I broke the
first set within days of installing them and I'm confident I can do it
again so I bought a set of the "steel" splitters on my trip to Atlanta
Tuesday (hadn't seen the steel version before). The kick plaws of the
Biesemeyer splitter are very attractive, though. I could retire the
stock guard.

On Aug 18, 11:58*pm, "Lobby Dosser" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

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Gripper?

I hardly know her!

Go out there and win this one for the Gripper!

....a lot better than losing one without a Gripper.

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On Aug 19, 8:17 am, "Leon" wrote:
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:51:10 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:
it

Yes, it is pricey but it does solve problems.

Yes, but it is in the "must think about" range. I do hate taking the
factory
guard on and off, though. This would solve that problem.

Did you happen to see the MJ Splitter at the Gripper site. Simple small
much less expensive, unless you compare pound for pound. ;~)

I have the Steel version as the "plastic" only version did not hold up.

Sure, I'm on the second set of plastic MJ splitters. I broke the
first set within days of installing them and I'm confident I can do it
again so I bought a set of the "steel" splitters on my trip to Atlanta
Tuesday (hadn't seen the steel version before). The kick plaws of the
Biesemeyer splitter are very attractive, though. I could retire the
stock guard.

I have actually had the steel set for about 3- 4 years. Oddly I only saw
them at the WW show and they were only suggested to me after I mentioned
that the all plastic ones did not hold up. It also seems that the steel
ones only recently showed up on the web site.
A word of caution, if the steel ones fit tightly don't use a hammer to tap
them in. The plastic is more brittle, will fracture, and chip off. Use a
dry lube on the holes if necessary.

Additionally, with the removable Biese splitter, you can not run the Gripper
directly over the blade.

On Aug 19, 9:12*am, "Leon" wrote:
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On Aug 19, 8:17 am, "Leon" wrote:



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On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 22:51:10 -0500, "Leon"
wrote:
it

Yes, it is pricey but it does solve problems.

Yes, but it is in the "must think about" range. I do hate taking the
factory
guard on and off, though. This would solve that problem.

Did you happen to see the MJ Splitter at the Gripper site. Simple small
much less expensive, unless you compare pound for pound. ;~)

I have the Steel version as the "plastic" only version did not hold up.

Sure, I'm on the second set of plastic MJ splitters. *I broke the
first set within days of installing them and I'm confident I can do it
again so I bought a set of the "steel" splitters on my trip to Atlanta
Tuesday (hadn't seen the steel version before). *The kick plaws of the
Biesemeyer splitter are very attractive, though. *I could retire the
stock guard.

I have actually had the steel set for about 3- 4 years. *Oddly I only saw
them at the WW show and they were only suggested to me after I mentioned
that the all plastic ones did not hold up. *It also seems that the steel
ones only recently showed up on the web site.
A word of caution, if the steel ones fit tightly don't use a hammer to tap
them in. *The plastic is more brittle, will fracture, and chip off. *Use a
dry lube on the holes if necessary.

Additionally, with the removable Biese splitter, you can not run the Gripper
directly over the blade.

Ah, good point. I wouldn't have thought of that until...

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Additionally, with the removable Biese splitter, you can not run the
Gripper
directly over the blade.

Ah, good point. I wouldn't have thought of that until...

I meant to only bring that up as something to think about. The Biese
splitter will not be an issue with the Gripper if you are ripping wider than
the Gripper.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:28:33 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


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Additionally, with the removable Biese splitter, you can not run the
Gripper
directly over the blade.

Ah, good point. I wouldn't have thought of that until...

I meant to only bring that up as something to think about. The Biese
splitter will not be an issue with the Gripper if you are ripping wider than
the Gripper.

Yes, it certainly is something to think about. Thanks! I decided to buy a
pair of Grippers just *for* the narrow work, though.

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That is what I use'ta say...

wrote in message
...

They were advertised at $41.99 in the Peachtree emailing recently, though
they're back-ordered. The parts are replaceable, though also not cheap.

Keep in mind also, typically you don't damage a part with a single cut. It
takes several cuts before you may consider replacing a part.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:41:28 -0500, "Leon" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .

They were advertised at $41.99 in the Peachtree emailing recently, though
they're back-ordered. The parts are replaceable, though also not cheap.

Keep in mind also, typically you don't damage a part with a single cut. It
takes several cuts before you may consider replacing a part.

Sure, I expected that. It seems that some don't mind their Gripper being
sacrificial.

On 8/19/2010 11:03 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:41:28 -0500, wrote:


wrote in message
...

They were advertised at $41.99 in the Peachtree emailing recently, though
they're back-ordered. The parts are replaceable, though also not cheap.

Keep in mind also, typically you don't damage a part with a single cut. It
takes several cuts before you may consider replacing a part.

Sure, I expected that. It seems that some don't mind their Gripper being
sacrificial.

It's "sacrificial" nature is the reason why I use mine. Better it, than
me.

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On Aug 20, 8:02*am, Swingman wrote:
On 8/19/2010 11:03 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:41:28 -0500, *wrote:

*wrote in message
. ..

They were advertised at $41.99 in the Peachtree emailing recently, though
they're back-ordered. *The parts are replaceable, though also not cheap.

Keep in mind also, typically you don't damage a part with a single cut.. *It
takes several cuts before you may consider replacing a part.

Sure, I expected that. *It seems that some don't mind their Gripper being
sacrificial.

It's "sacrificial" nature is the reason why I use mine. Better it, than
me.

I guess the issue is whether people would sacrifice the Gripper for
the cut (plan on notching it), or not. The whole saw could be
sacrificed for my hand, if it would help.

On 8/20/2010 8:10 AM, wrote:
On Aug 20, 8:02 am, wrote:

sacrificial.

It's "sacrificial" nature is the reason why I use mine. Better it, than
me.

I guess the issue is whether people would sacrifice the Gripper for
the cut (plan on notching it), or not. The whole saw could be
sacrificed for my hand, if it would help.

I just took it for granted that that's why the spacers that do the
actual gripping were replaceable.

AAMOF, I've used what used to be the 1/8" Gripper spacer block, when
making 1/4" edge banding strips for shelf fronts, etc, for so long, and
so hard, that it is now about a 1/32" +/- spacer.

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:21:12 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 8/20/2010 8:10 AM, wrote:
On Aug 20, 8:02 am, wrote:

sacrificial.

It's "sacrificial" nature is the reason why I use mine. Better it, than
me.

I guess the issue is whether people would sacrifice the Gripper for
the cut (plan on notching it), or not. The whole saw could be
sacrificed for my hand, if it would help.

I just took it for granted that that's why the spacers that do the
actual gripping were replaceable.

I was just trying to clarify the issue at hand.

AAMOF, I've used what used to be the 1/8" Gripper spacer block, when
making 1/4" edge banding strips for shelf fronts, etc, for so long, and
so hard, that it is now about a 1/32" +/- spacer.

We'll see. They shipped them today. I still have a couple of weeks to wait
to use the tools again, though.