[RicodJour]

On May 5, 12:49*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:

Let's see now, my slab of plastic doesn't need to be oiled, will go in
the dishwasher if desired, doesn't damage knife edge during use, can
be sterilized with household bleach.

That just about covers all my needs for a cutting board, but as a work
of art, it sucks.

Please double check the newsgroup name, you Philistine!

R

[Lee Michaels]

"Lew Hodgett" wrote

Let's see now, my slab of plastic doesn't need to be oiled, will go in the
dishwasher if desired, doesn't damage knife edge during use, can be
sterilized with household bleach.

That just about covers all my needs for a cutting board, but as a work of
art, it sucks.

Does this mean you are going to create plastic cutting board art?? Think of
the marketing potential!

[CW[_3_]]

"Leon" wrote in message
...

My wife has never used anything but vegetable oil on the butcher block
and there has never been a problem with anything going rancid, at least in
the last 30 years. While mineral oil and or a butcher block oil may be a
better choice, vegetable oil has done just fine for us.



Wesson oil for ours and the same for my mothers. I would bet that most of
the "going rancid" replies are from people that are just repeating what
others say rather than having any experience.

[Upscale]

"mac davis" wrote in message
I'd worry more about the bacteria and other goodies that grow in cutting
boards
than in the glue used.. YMWV

As well, I've read that bacteria analysis in wooden cutting boards compared
to plastic type cutting boards, shows fewer bacteria. It's proposed that the
oils and such in wood inhibit the growth of bacteria more than the surfaces
of plastic products.

Of course, in any scenario it's prudent to clean cutting boards of any type
after use. There's nothing I hate worse than bit's of left over chili
peppers getting mixed into my chopped up strawberries.

[notbob]

On 2009-05-05, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I don't doubt you had problems, but you are one in a million or a billion or
a bazillion. The rest of us don't have the same reaction from trace amounts
that a cutting board may give.

If I was one in a bazillion, laxitives and hemorroid meds wouldn't be a
billion dollar industry.

I'm not saying using mineral oil on a cutting board will automatically give
one 'roids', but ingesting it does your body no good and it's not as benign
as you might believe. I will agree the amounts one would ingest using it on
a cutting board are negligible. OTOH, I don't care what the oil companies
would like us to believe, I will not knowingly ingest petroleum products, no
matter how refined. You, of course, are free to do as you like.

nb

[RicodJour]

On May 5, 2:23*pm, notbob wrote:
On 2009-05-05, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I don't doubt you had problems, but you are one in a million or a billion or
a bazillion. *The rest of us don't have the same reaction from trace amounts
that a cutting board may give.

If I was one in a bazillion, laxitives and hemorroid meds wouldn't be a
billion dollar industry. *

I'm not saying using mineral oil on a cutting board will automatically give
one 'roids', but ingesting it does your body no good and it's not as benign
as you might believe. *I will agree the amounts one would ingest using it on
a cutting board are negligible. *OTOH, I don't care what the oil companies
would like us to believe, I will not knowingly ingest petroleum products, no
matter how refined. *You, of course, are free to do as you like. *

I understand your concern for your health due to your experiences, but
please recognize that you are ingesting petroleum products, laboratory
chemicals and other food stuffs untouched by nature every single day.
It doesn't matter is the label says organic, free-range or anything
else.

Pretty much everything you eat is fertilized one way or another, and
fertilizer is made from ammonia, and ammonia is made from natural gas
and nitrogen (fixed by the Haber process). In other words, you are,
and are consuming, petroleum products each and every meal.

If you think that's weird, check out Haber's life. He was responsible
for one of the greatest boons to mankind and also for some of the most
horrific products ever made.

R

[Douglas Johnson[_2_]]

(Doug Miller) wrote:

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Most vegetable oils will become rancid in fairly short
order. Finish with mineral oil, or with walnut oil.

Or pure tung oil. -- Doug

[Leon]

"CW" wrote in message
m...

"Leon" wrote in message
...

My wife has never used anything but vegetable oil on the butcher block
and there has never been a problem with anything going rancid, at least
in the last 30 years. While mineral oil and or a butcher block oil may
be a better choice, vegetable oil has done just fine for us.



Wesson oil for ours and the same for my mothers. I would bet that most of
the "going rancid" replies are from people that are just repeating what
others say rather than having any experience.


I believe you are probably right. I suspect the one that did go rancid
probably had other bacteria problems in the mix.

[SonomaProducts.com]

The best science I have heard says the sharp edges of the wood fibers
rupture the cell walls of the bacteria as a natural defense mechanism.
Just like placing wood ash on the ground where slugs\snails crawl and
it shreds the little *******s.

On May 5, 11:06*am, "Upscale" wrote:
"mac davis" wrote in message
I'd worry more about the bacteria and other goodies that grow in cutting
boards
than in the glue used.. YMWV

As well, I've read that bacteria analysis in wooden cutting boards compared
to plastic type cutting boards, shows fewer bacteria. It's proposed that the
oils and such in wood inhibit the growth of bacteria more than the surfaces
of plastic products.

Of course, in any scenario it's prudent to clean cutting boards of any type
after use. There's nothing I hate worse than bit's of left over chili
peppers getting mixed into my chopped up strawberries.

[SonomaProducts.com]

You forgot one thing "IT'S PLASTIC!".

On May 5, 9:49*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Leon" wrote:
That is not true. *My wife has never used anything but vegetable oil
on the butcher block and there has never been a problem with
anything going rancid, at least in the last 30 years. *While mineral
oil and or a butcher block oil may be a better choice, vegetable oil
has done just fine for us.

Let's see now, my slab of plastic doesn't need to be oiled, will go in
the dishwasher if desired, doesn't damage knife edge during use, can
be sterilized with household bleach.

That just about covers all my needs for a cutting board, but as a work
of art, it sucks.

Lew

[SonomaProducts.com]

I was\am in the business of selling cutting boards (not so much
anymore) and I did my research and the rancid indication comes from
scientific sources (no I don't have the cites right now) but
basicially you are introducing a food for bacteria in the food based
oils. At the micro level you can get some growth which is
characterized as rancidity (word?).

On May 5, 10:49*am, "CW" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message

...

* My wife has never used anything but vegetable oil on the butcher block
and there has never been a problem with anything going rancid, at least in
the last 30 years. *While mineral oil and or a butcher block oil may be a
better choice, vegetable oil has done just fine for us.

Wesson oil for ours and the same for my mothers. I would bet that most of
the "going rancid" replies are from people that are just repeating what
others say rather than having any experience.

[Tom Watson]

On Tue, 05 May 2009 16:49:36 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


Let's see now, my slab of plastic doesn't need to be oiled, will go in
the dishwasher if desired, doesn't damage knife edge during use, can
be sterilized with household bleach.

That just about covers all my needs for a cutting board, but as a work
of art, it sucks.

Lew



"It looks like frozen snot."

L.F. Herreshoff





Regards,

Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/

[J. Clarke]

SonomaProducts.com wrote:
I was\am in the business of selling cutting boards (not so much
anymore) and I did my research and the rancid indication comes from
scientific sources (no I don't have the cites right now) but
basicially you are introducing a food for bacteria in the food based
oils. At the micro level you can get some growth which is
characterized as rancidity (word?).

Rancidification is a chemical reaction with no bacteria involved.

On May 5, 10:49 am, "CW" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message

...

My wife has never used anything but vegetable oil on the butcher
block and there has never been a problem with anything going
rancid, at least in the last 30 years. While mineral oil and or a
butcher block oil may be a better choice, vegetable oil has done
just fine for us.

Wesson oil for ours and the same for my mothers. I would bet that
most of the "going rancid" replies are from people that are just
repeating what others say rather than having any experience.

[Lew Hodgett[_5_]]

"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:

You forgot one thing "IT'S PLASTIC!".

Didn't forget, if you look at my post I acknowledge that plastic is
very functional but BFU.

Beauty is reserved for wood, functionally is not.

Lew

[Lew Hodgett[_5_]]

"Tom Watson" wrote:

"It looks like frozen snot."

L.F. Herreshoff

But no teradeos or dry rot.

Lew

[dadiOH[_3_]]

RicodJour wrote:
On May 5, 10:51 am, mac davis wrote:

IMHO, if "food safe" is that important, drill the suckers for
through bolts and just worry about rust..

I'd worry more about the bacteria and other goodies that grow in
cutting boards than in the glue used.. YMWV

Nice - way to rain on the "sky is falling" parade. It's killjoys like
you that insert pragmatism and rational thinking into such threads
that take all the fun out of scaring the poop out of people.

R

Not to worry, there will be more opportunities...many more

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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Leon" wrote:

That is not true. My wife has never used anything but vegetable oil
on the butcher block and there has never been a problem with
anything going rancid, at least in the last 30 years. While mineral
oil and or a butcher block oil may be a better choice, vegetable oil
has done just fine for us.

Let's see now, my slab of plastic doesn't need to be oiled, will go in
the dishwasher if desired, doesn't damage knife edge during use, can
be sterilized with household bleach.

That just about covers all my needs for a cutting board, but as a work
of art, it sucks.


Maybe the manufacturers will take a hint and make them wood grained. Or get
a black one and say it's ebony



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LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

[SonomaProducts.com]

Interesting

On May 5, 6:01*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
SonomaProducts.com wrote:
I was\am in the business of selling cutting boards (not so much
anymore) and I did my research and the rancid indication comes from
scientific sources (no I don't have the cites right now) but
basicially you are introducing a food for bacteria in the food based
oils. At the micro level you can get some growth which is
characterized as rancidity (word?).

Rancidification is a chemical reaction with no bacteria involved.



On May 5, 10:49 am, "CW" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message

om...

My wife has never used anything but vegetable oil on the butcher
block and there has never been a problem with anything going
rancid, at least in the last 30 years. While mineral oil and or a
butcher block oil may be a better choice, vegetable oil has done
just fine for us.

Wesson oil for ours and the same for my mothers. I would bet that
most of the "going rancid" replies are from people that are just
repeating what others say rather than having any experience.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

[RicodJour]

On May 5, 9:01*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
SonomaProducts.com wrote:
I was\am in the business of selling cutting boards (not so much
anymore) and I did my research and the rancid indication comes from
scientific sources (no I don't have the cites right now) but
basicially you are introducing a food for bacteria in the food based
oils. At the micro level you can get some growth which is
characterized as rancidity (word?).

Rancidification is a chemical reaction with no bacteria involved.

Thanks for the putrefaction.

R

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On May 4, 11:35 am, "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:

If you use Boiled Linseed Oil as suggested or
any other oil BE SURE it is pure and does not have any "Dries" in it.
These are heavy metal and very toxic.

Just to expand on Sonoma's post....

DO NOT use Boiled Linseed Oil on any food surface. Ever. BLO is
dries out quickly due to the introduction of the aforementioned
chemical driers which are indeed quite poisonous.

However, UNlike most of today's resin finishes which are toxic when
wet or uncured, then food safe when cured, the poison component does
not go away when the resins cure. Think of the old oil based paints
with lead in them. The paint can be dry for decades and the inert
metals in the finish are as deadly as they day they were manufactured.

There is no such thing as "PURE" BLO. It doesn't exist.

The misnomer of "boiled linseed oil" is a myth itself. IIRC, the
"boiling process" is the introduction of metal salts in the mixing
vat.

"Boiled" Linseed Oil is manufactured by taking linseed oil and adding
metallic driers to the oil itself, in the same fashion we used to add
Japan Drier (again, nothing to do with Japan) to oil based (sometimes
linseed/tung oil) paints.

Without metallic driers, the oil is simply "linseed oil" or "raw
linseed oil". It takes weeks or months to simply dry a bit. But
without driers, the raw stuff is actually edible. Outside of making
bread, I am not sure what the linseed oil/flaxseed oil is actually
good for in normal use.

"Boiled linseed oil" came about as a quick fix for someone that wanted
an oil finish without the time or trouble involved.

Here's something from Russ Fairfield. Not a professional, but
knowledgeable:

http://www.woodcentral.com/russ/finish6.shtml

Robert

[Steve Turner]

wrote:
Without metallic driers, the oil is simply "linseed oil" or "raw
linseed oil". It takes weeks or months to simply dry a bit. But
without driers, the raw stuff is actually edible. Outside of making
bread, I am not sure what the linseed oil/flaxseed oil is actually
good for in normal use.

I *think* (and without bothering to verify it) that artists oil paints
are still made the same way they were centuries ago, from raw linseed
oil. I used to paint with oils a lot when I was younger (some 30 years
ago) and I loved it. Interestingly, some colors would dry much faster
than others, I presume because of the effects the various pigments had
on the oil. You could also (still can, I presume) buy the linseed oil
itself to mix your own paint or make it flow better. It was my
understanding that it was not at all toxic and I can still remember the
wonderful smell, but I can't remember if I actually ever tasted it. :-)

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On May 6, 5:08*pm, Steve Turner wrote:

You could also (still can, I presume) buy the linseed oil
itself to mix your own paint or make it flow better. *

You can still buy it just about anywhere. Just DAGS "raw linseed oil"
and you will get plenty of sources.

It was my
understanding that it was not at all toxic and I can still remember the
wonderful smell, but I can't remember if I actually ever tasted it. *:-)

Flaxseed oil is the same thing, just refined differently. Like you, I
love the way it smells, and I remember going into old cabinets maker's
(not necessarily pros) shops that had that smell in the air.

That smell just seems to take you back a few years....

Robert

[Robatoy[_2_]]

On May 6, 7:09*pm, "
wrote:
On May 6, 5:08*pm, Steve Turner wrote:

You could also (still can, I presume) buy the linseed oil
itself to mix your own paint or make it flow better. *

You can still buy it just about anywhere. *Just DAGS "raw linseed oil"
and you will get plenty of sources.

It was my
understanding that it was not at all toxic and I can still remember the
wonderful smell, but I can't remember if I actually ever tasted it. *:-)

Flaxseed oil is the same thing, just refined differently. *Like you, I
love the way it smells, and I remember going into old cabinets maker's
(not necessarily pros) shops that had that smell in the air.

That smell just seems to take you back a few years....

Robert

Flaxseed oil makes you poop.

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On Tue, 05 May 2009 11:11:30 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:
On Mon, 04 May 2009 13:14:34 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

Make sure the wood is thoroughly dry, straight, and flat. Then use a
waterproof glue -- not merely water *resistant*. A urea-formaldehyde glue,
such as DAP Weldwood Plastic Resin Glue, would be the best choice IMHO.

Use "quater sawn" maple. Drill through the full width of the board
and insert staimless steel "tension members, nutted tightly with the
ends of the holes filled with dowels.

Phooey. If the wood is properly dried, properly jointed, and properly glued,
there's absolutely no need for "stainless steel tension members".

You could also use some T88
epoxy or equivalent on the joints between the bords if you want "belt
and suspenders"

*Any* waterproof glue comes under the category of "properly glued".

Finish with vegetable oil

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Most vegetable oils will become rancid in fairly short
order. Finish with mineral oil, or with walnut oil.

Walnut oil is considered a vegetable(as opposed to mineral) oil.
So is Almond oil, and coconut oil - both recommended for "seasoning"
cutting boards.
"Salad Bowl Oil" is a combination of "vegatable oils" as well - cold
pressed flax (linseed) oil and organic lemon oil with a non-toxic
drier (usually Zircon Octoate) (BioShield)

General Finishes Salad Bowl oil is petroleum distilate (mineral
spirits) and oil modified Urethane.

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On Tue, 5 May 2009 10:49:42 -0700, "CW"
wrote:


"Leon" wrote in message
m...

My wife has never used anything but vegetable oil on the butcher block
and there has never been a problem with anything going rancid, at least in
the last 30 years. While mineral oil and or a butcher block oil may be a
better choice, vegetable oil has done just fine for us.



Wesson oil for ours and the same for my mothers. I would bet that most of
the "going rancid" replies are from people that are just repeating what
others say rather than having any experience.

The Big thing is vegetable oils that are heart healthy are more likely
to go rancid than the "bad" oils. Poly-unsaturated oils go rancid
rather quichly, while more saturated vegetable oils stay "sweet" a
WHOLE lot longer.

Virtually ANY vegetable oil lasts longer than amimal oils.

[Doug Miller]

In article , "Upscale" wrote:

"Robatoy" wrote in message
Flaxseed oil makes you poop.

Flaxseeds are really high in fibre. Of course it make you poop.

How much fiber is there in the oil? :-)

[Leon]

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On May 6, 7:09 pm, "
wrote:


Flaxseed oil makes you poop.


So does my morning cup of coffee! ;~)

[Upscale]

"Robatoy" wrote in message
Flaxseed oil makes you poop.

Flaxseeds are really high in fibre. Of course it make you poop.

[-MIKE-]

Leon wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On May 6, 7:09 pm, "
wrote:

Flaxseed oil makes you poop.


So does my morning cup of coffee! ;~)


Nothing makes a better push-rod than that first cup of java.


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[HeyBub[_3_]]

-MIKE- wrote:

Flaxseed oil makes you poop.


So does my morning cup of coffee! ;~)


Nothing makes a better push-rod than that first cup of java.

Uh, I think you're doing it wrong.

[SonomaProducts.com]

On May 7, 11:42*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:

Flaxseed oil *makes you poop.

So does my morning cup of coffee! *;~)

Nothing makes a better push-rod than that first cup of java.

Uh, I think you're doing it wrong.

LOL

[Phisherman[_2_]]

On Mon, 4 May 2009 06:02:59 -0700 (PDT), Sasha
wrote:

After having a doizen or so comercial cutting boards split and thrown
into trash I want to make my own. Can someone give me guidance how to
make it so it won't split, how to finish it, if it at all, etc. Most
important for me is it shoiuld be very durable as I don't want to make
it every month. I plan using maple to make it.


Are these cutting boards washed by hand, soaked or put into the
dishwasher? I suspect it is the care of the board that is making it
split. My cutting boards have been used over 25 years and have not
split yet. I wash them by hand, rinse and try to keep them dry. I
use one for meat, another for vegetables.