In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/


-Kevin

wrote in message
...
In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/


-Kevin

I read this and guess I will need a bail out due to the influence of
Anti-American business influences, the US Congress. I don't see how any
small toy maker can meet the standards set up here.

On Dec 10, 6:59 pm, "Curran Copeland"
wrote:
wrote in message

...



In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/

-Kevin

I read this and guess I will need a bail out due to the influence of
Anti-American business influences, the US Congress. I don't see how any
small toy maker can meet the standards set up here.

And it's not just toys. Clothing. Everything. Some companies are
already announcing they are pulling out of the US market.

http://www.playthings.com/article/CA6620437.html


-Kevin

And soon they may **** up our healthcare, automotive, and banking systems.

cm


wrote in message
...
In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/


-Kevin

cm wrote:
And soon they may **** up our healthcare, automotive, and banking systems.


Too late for the banking system. The automotive industry is days away
and soon to follow is the healthcare system.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:35:04 -0800, LEGEND65 wrote:

In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/


-Kevin

Since when has Congress ever talked to small and medium size businesses
before passed any law or act. They are part of the never seen or
listened to group. You can bet that if the people that contribute heavy to
their re-election campaigns was going to be affected the act would have
been written differently.

Paul T.

--
The only dumb question, is the one not asked

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:35:04 -0800 (PST), wrote:

In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/


-Kevin

Wow.. another great reason for getting out of the US..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:35:04 +0000, wrote
(in article
):

In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/


-Kevin

This is beginning to sound like dear old Great Britain.

The politician's answer is always to make new laws rather than enforce the
ones we already have.

Politicians here never legislate to deal with _the problem_ they just pass
restrictive and constrictive laws to deal with a different, imagined
situation which they have hyped into existence and the legislation then,
maybe, sort of catches the problem indirectly. The huge wave of political
"concern" and media hype over owning knives, for example. They already did it
with guns (It is now illegal to train for an Olympic sport involving shooting
in Britain, yet there are shootings on the streets daily 'cos the ones doing
THAT sort of illegal stuff aren't bothered and the law would rather close
down a target shooting club than make sure that street gangs don't carry
guns)

Gun club members were never the cause of any problem. There has been
sufficient law to deal with illegal firearm use for a very vet long time, but
it is not enforced. That would cost money and involve the police going up
against the ant-social elements. Let's target everybody else instead...

The politician's answer is always to make new laws rather than enforce the
ones we already have.

Now penknives, Bowie, camping knives are all being vilified and made
illegal.. apart from the "ceremonial" swords, knives and daggers that Sikhs
carry, and guess what, even though such "ceremonial" weapons rank highly in
stabbings and woundings, they are not being touched while it'll soon be
totally illegal to go camping with a buck knife...

Lead paint?

When did a western manufacturer last use lead paint?

I've nothing against selling non-lethal toys generally but all this
sledgehammer to crack a walnut thinking makes my blood boil.
If you are going to paint a toy for sale locally, all you'd need to do,
logically, is use finish materials with a known COSHH (or whatever standard
you colonials use) certification rather than constantly re-inventing the
wheel at _every_ stage of the process.

To prevent the sale of lead-filled Chaiwanse pacifiers, spiky-eyed dolls and
arsenic-flavour candy bars, all you need do (broadly - I'm sure there are
detail problems to work out) is make the supply of such stuff illegal - with
massive fines for supply for resale - and have a bit of random testing. This
would push the onus onto the importers who would then have the incentive to
only import stuff that would pass through all the hoops and wouldn't affect
domestic manufacturers producing stuff with known ingredients.

The politician's answer is always to make new laws rather than enforce the
ones we already have.

But, as I said, politicians are unlikely to tackle the real problem. They
want to be seen to be apparently doing something so they can crow about it
but they'll make damn sure that any new legislation won't upset any apple
carts that they happen to be hitching a ride on and is, whatever else,
"politically correct" and won't offend any pressure groups with money or
"God" on their side. Damn everybody else.

mac davis wrote:
Wow.. another great reason for getting out of the US..


Yet, for some reason, millions risk their lives to get to here to live
in this horrible, despicable place.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:07:23 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

mac davis wrote:
Wow.. another great reason for getting out of the US..


Yet, for some reason, millions risk their lives to get to here to live
in this horrible, despicable place.

Amen

Bored Borg wrote:

The politician's answer is always to make new laws rather than enforce the
ones we already have.

Well, by definition, most politicians are lawmakers. Their only real
ability is to create and pass new laws, or remove old ones (and they
seem loath to do that). Sort of like hammers. Useful for some things
but really not the right tool for driving a screw. Asking a politician
to "do something" pretty much means they will try to pass a new law.

The few politicians who are actually administrators, they should be
able to do cover a wider range of function, but most of them started
out as lawmakers and mostly think all problems look like nails.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

wrote in message
...
In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/


-Kevin
I have spent the morning looking into this legisitation and have been told
by one senator's office that they are two busy to talk to me and by a number
of government that there is no one there who can help me, please leave a
message or I have gotten answering machines that can not take messages
because they are to full of unanswered messages. Makes me wonder what my
taxes are going for, oh yeah I remember for the rich to get richer.

Curran Copeland wrote:
wrote in message
...
In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I encourage you to investigate the law and contact your
representatives.

Some links:
http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/cpsia.html
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/

I have spent the morning looking into this legislation and have been told
by one senator's office that they are two busy to talk to me and by a number
of government that there is no one there who can help me, please leave a
message or I have gotten answering machines that can not take messages
because they are to full of unanswered messages. Makes me wonder what my
taxes are going for, oh yeah I remember for the rich to get richer.

It's a lot more informative when you name the Senator and tell /which/
government offices you called that weren't responsive...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Curran Copeland wrote:
Makes me wonder what my
taxes are going for, oh yeah I remember for the rich to get richer.


Despite what far left politicians, who make their livings exploiting and
perpetuating class warfare (most of whom came from old money,
ironically) would have you believe, ninety percent of millionaires in
this country are first generation rich.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

"
It's a lot more informative when you name the Senator and tell /which/
government offices you called that weren't responsive...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

The Senator's office was that of Mitch McConnell (R-KY) The office was
that of the US product safety commission compleance staff whose answering
was too full to take another message. The others I will wait to see if they
do call back. I did recieve a call from Representative Edward Whitfield
(R-KY) who told me that they were looking into possible self certification
for small business, but that they had no real information as of this time
and would let me know by Monday as to what was going on. I hope that is a
little more informative then the post I wrote in disgust a short time ago.

Curran Copeland wrote:
I did recieve a call from Representative Edward Whitfield
(R-KY) who told me that they were looking into possible self certification
for small business, but that they had no real information as of this time
and would let me know by Monday as to what was going on. I hope that is a
little more informative then the post I wrote in disgust a short time ago.


Well... yeah, that's a lot more info. I understand you frustration,
though.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Curran Copeland wrote:

...and Morris reformatted

It's a lot more informative when you name the Senator and tell
/which/ government offices you called that weren't responsive...

The Senator's office was that of Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

The office was that of the US product safety commission compleance
staff whose answering was too full to take another message.

The others I will wait to see if they do call back.

I did recieve a call from Representative Edward Whitfield (R-KY) who
told me that they were looking into possible self certification for
small business, but that they had no real information as of this time
and would let me know by Monday as to what was going on.

I hope that is a little more informative then the post I wrote in
disgust a short time ago.

Yuppers, it is; and I fully understand the disgust.

I *like* sunshine! I think they don't get enough of it in DC.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Dec 11, 3:57 pm, "Curran Copeland"
wrote:

The Senator's office was that of Mitch McConnell (R-KY) The office was
that of the US product safety commission compleance staff whose answering
was too full to take another message. The others I will wait to see if they
do call back. I did recieve a call from Representative Edward Whitfield
(R-KY) who told me that they were looking into possible self certification
for small business, but that they had no real information as of this time
and would let me know by Monday as to what was going on. I hope that is a
little more informative then the post I wrote in disgust a short time ago.

Well that's the first encouraging response I've heard.

-Kevin

"Curran Copeland" wrote:

The Senator's office was that of Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

He was way too....oo busy getting re-elected to do anything
constructive.

BTW, did you contribute to his re-election campaign?

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
"Curran Copeland" wrote:

The Senator's office was that of Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

He was way too....oo busy getting re-elected to do anything constructive.

BTW, did you contribute to his re-election campaign?

Lew

Not since back when I worked for and with him before he bacame a Senator.

"Curran Copeland" wrote:

Not since back when I worked for and with him before he bacame a
Senator.

Guess you are out of favor huh?

Lew

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:07:23 -0600, -MIKE- wrote:

mac davis wrote:
Wow.. another great reason for getting out of the US..


Yet, for some reason, millions risk their lives to get to here to live
in this horrible, despicable place.

Yep.. but someone can take my place...
I got out 2 years ago...


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:56:09 -0600, -MIKE- wrote:

Curran Copeland wrote:
Makes me wonder what my
taxes are going for, oh yeah I remember for the rich to get richer.


Despite what far left politicians, who make their livings exploiting and
perpetuating class warfare (most of whom came from old money,
ironically) would have you believe, ninety percent of millionaires in
this country are first generation rich.

I think the word "millionaire" is out of date...
You need almost that much to buy a POS house in some places..

I agree with the point, though.. Folks like Bill Gates weren't trust fund kids
by any means..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

wrote in message
...
In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I just got off the phone with the USCPA and in a nut shell I'm screwed.
This act will only cover items made for children, ALL ITEMS MADE FOR
CHILDREN, and has NO exemptions at this time. Any item that is made for a
child is covered and will have to be tested. by a third party. The only
light at the end of the tunnel is that they are considering a compliance for
small business that may be less stringent but at this time it is not in
effect. Even when it goes into effect if it does it will mean a lot of
paperwork.

Curran Copeland wrote:


wrote in message
...
In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I just got off the phone with the USCPA and in a nut shell I'm screwed.
This act will only cover items made for children, ALL ITEMS MADE FOR
CHILDREN, and has NO exemptions at this time. Any item that is made for a
child is covered and will have to be tested. by a third party. The only
light at the end of the tunnel is that they are considering a compliance
for small business that may be less stringent but at this time it is not
in effect. Even when it goes into effect if it does it will mean a lot of
paperwork.

Just a question, are you engaged in interstate commerce? If you are
selling locally, you may have an out since the fed is only authorized to
regulate interstate and foreign commerce.


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...

Just a question, are you engaged in interstate commerce? If you are
selling locally, you may have an out since the fed is only authorized to
regulate interstate and foreign commerce.


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

I sell items all over the country, close to 75% of my sales are out of state
and about 2% international.

Curran Copeland wrote:

wrote in message
...
In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I just got off the phone with the USCPA and in a nut shell I'm screwed.
This act will only cover items made for children, ALL ITEMS MADE FOR
CHILDREN, and has NO exemptions at this time. Any item that is made for a
child is covered and will have to be tested. by a third party. The only
light at the end of the tunnel is that they are considering a compliance for
small business that may be less stringent but at this time it is not in
effect. Even when it goes into effect if it does it will mean a lot of
paperwork.

I don't suppose a "For Adult use only" sticker would work . . .

I know there are lots of interesting disclaimers on products that seem
only there to avoid lawsuits or to dodge some regulation. For example,
check out any box of Q-tips to learn that you are not ever supposed to
use them in your ears. Seriously, it's on every box, and even on the
generic brands.

Just idly speculating. I don't make toys for sale.

Bill Ranck
Blacsburg, Va.

Put an 18+ age sticker on each one,
and don't market them as toys.

Basilisk
"Curran Copeland" wrote in message
...

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...

Just a question, are you engaged in interstate commerce? If you are
selling locally, you may have an out since the fed is only authorized to
regulate interstate and foreign commerce.


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

I sell items all over the country, close to 75% of my sales are out of
state and about 2% international.

.

I just got off the phone with the USCPA and in a nut shell I'm screwed.
This act will only cover items made for children, ALL ITEMS MADE FOR
CHILDREN, and has NO exemptions at this time. Any item that is made for
a
child is covered and will have to be tested. by a third party. The only
light at the end of the tunnel is that they are considering a compliance
for
small business that may be less stringent but at this time it is not in
effect. Even when it goes into effect if it does it will mean a lot of
paperwork.

I don't suppose a "For Adult use only" sticker would work . . .

I know there are lots of interesting disclaimers on products that seem
only there to avoid lawsuits or to dodge some regulation. For example,
check out any box of Q-tips to learn that you are not ever supposed to
use them in your ears. Seriously, it's on every box, and even on the
generic brands.

Just idly speculating. I don't make toys for sale.

Bill Ranck
Blacsburg, Va.

Since the toys I make are old style and could be considered for the
collectors market, I know some people who buy them strictly for decoration,
I am thinking about it, I am going to have to check with a lawer and see if
it would make a difference. I thilnk I might be on thin ice with it but
it's worth a look. Thanks to you and baslisk for the idea

Curran Copeland wrote:

Since the toys I make are old style and could be considered for the
collectors market, I know some people who buy them strictly for decoration,
I am thinking about it, I am going to have to check with a lawer and see if
it would make a difference. I thilnk I might be on thin ice with it but
it's worth a look. Thanks to you and baslisk for the idea

Well, I would think that you'd have to have a pretty big operation
to warrant any notice. In other words, who's going to complain?
As long as you don't poison anyone I doubt you'd come to anyone's
attention. Worst case, they'd probably just make you stop selling
if they ever did notice. I could understand not wanting to take
that chance, but I wouldn't blame someone who did. Again, assuming
they aren't using anything toxic, which I'm sure you aren't.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

wrote in message ...
Curran Copeland wrote:

Well, I would think that you'd have to have a pretty big operation
to warrant any notice. In other words, who's going to complain?
As long as you don't poison anyone I doubt you'd come to anyone's
attention. Worst case, they'd probably just make you stop selling
if they ever did notice. I could understand not wanting to take
that chance, but I wouldn't blame someone who did. Again, assuming
they aren't using anything toxic, which I'm sure you aren't.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.


You would thank so wouldn't you. The problem is that if you are caught you
get a nice fine and possible jail time. Since I sell in a few high profile
areas I could be noticed and asked to produce the paper work. If I were
just doing local shows then I would probably thumb my nose at them and take
my chances, the only thing to worry about is someone like me who has to do
the paper work turning you in, and I don't do that many shows anyway. Would
I turn anyone in, well I have seen some pretty crappy toys out there and I
might one of the guys who makes stuff cheap and doesn't care but otherwise
no way.

wrote:
Curran Copeland wrote:

Since the toys I make are old style and could be considered for the
collectors market, I know some people who buy them strictly for
decoration, I am thinking about it, I am going to have to check
with a lawer and see if it would make a difference. I thilnk I
might be on thin ice with it but it's worth a look. Thanks to you
and baslisk for the idea

Well, I would think that you'd have to have a pretty big operation
to warrant any notice. In other words, who's going to complain?
As long as you don't poison anyone I doubt you'd come to anyone's
attention. Worst case, they'd probably just make you stop selling
if they ever did notice. I could understand not wanting to take
that chance, but I wouldn't blame someone who did. Again, assuming
they aren't using anything toxic, which I'm sure you aren't.

As long as nobody's kid manages to choke on a piece of it. It used to
be that if a kid choked on a button it was the kid's fault, or the
parents for not watching the kid--now it's the button-maker's fault
for not either making the button bigger or putting a warning label on
it.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Yet, for some reason, millions risk their lives to get to here to live
in this horrible, despicable place.

Yep.. but someone can take my place...
I got out 2 years ago...


Hope it didn't hit you in the ass. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Ok so anyone know how this will affect the toys for tots campaigns that are
everywhere?
Jim
"Curran Copeland" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
In August the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act was passed as a
reaction to the wonderful garbage China has been sending us in the
form of lead painted toys. Unfortunately Uncle Sam, in all his
infinite wisdom, has overreacted with a law that it is completely
impossible for any small business (that's you) to comply with. I
know, you're shocked.

I just got off the phone with the USCPA and in a nut shell I'm screwed.
This act will only cover items made for children, ALL ITEMS MADE FOR
CHILDREN, and has NO exemptions at this time. Any item that is made for a
child is covered and will have to be tested. by a third party. The only
light at the end of the tunnel is that they are considering a compliance
for small business that may be less stringent but at this time it is not
in effect. Even when it goes into effect if it does it will mean a lot of
paperwork.

-MIKE- wrote:
Yet, for some reason, millions risk their lives to get to here to
live in this horrible, despicable place.

Yep.. but someone can take my place... I got out 2 years ago...


Hope it didn't hit you in the ass. :-)



Nah. He most likely backed out and the door hit him in the teeth.

"Jim Northey" wrote in message
...
Ok so anyone know how this will affect the toys for tots campaigns that
are everywhere?
Jim
The way I read it and the way it was explalined to me is that those will be
treated as purchased/sold items (even though they are given away) and will
be subject to the requirments of the ACT.

Any one got a better take on it feel free to enlighten me, I would love to
be wrong here.

"Curran Copeland" wrote in message
...

"Jim Northey" wrote in message
...
Ok so anyone know how this will affect the toys for tots campaigns that
are everywhere?
Jim
The way I read it and the way it was explalined to me is that those will
be treated as purchased/sold items (even though they are given away) and
will be subject to the requirments of the ACT.

Any one got a better take on it feel free to enlighten me, I would love to
be wrong here.



Is it even possible to buy lead based paint in the US?

LD wrote:
"Curran Copeland" wrote in message
...

"Jim Northey" wrote in message
...
Ok so anyone know how this will affect the toys for tots campaigns
that are everywhere?
Jim
The way I read it and the way it was explalined to me is that those
will be treated as purchased/sold items (even though they are given
away) and will be subject to the requirments of the ACT.

Any one got a better take on it feel free to enlighten me, I would
love to be wrong here.



Is it even possible to buy lead based paint in the US?

Yes. Winsor & Newton 246 Flake White 1, normally in stock at Blick
Art Supplies for 5 bucks a tube is one example.

You're not going to find it in a can at Home Despot though.

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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:03:37 -0500, "J. Clarke" wrote:


As long as nobody's kid manages to choke on a piece of it. It used to
be that if a kid choked on a button it was the kid's fault, or the
parents for not watching the kid--now it's the button-maker's fault
for not either making the button bigger or putting a warning label on
it.

It gets worse...
A few years ago in Central Calif., there was an attorney with a couple of token
clients that were handicapped.

He specialized in going to small businesses and finding violations of the
Disability Act..
Improper entry doors, pipes under sinks not fully insulated, etc...

He would then sue in the name of his client, aiming for an out of court
settlement, since most small businesses can't afford a long legal battle....

He was very successful and got a lot of settlements for his "clients", none of
whom had ever been in any of the places that "they" were suing..
Also, none of the businesses had received any complaints or requests from
customers..


mac

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:28:36 -0600, -MIKE- wrote:

Yet, for some reason, millions risk their lives to get to here to live
in this horrible, despicable place.

Yep.. but someone can take my place...
I got out 2 years ago...


Hope it didn't hit you in the ass. :-)

Nope... we love it here (Baja) and don't want to ever go back...


mac

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