LAKEVILLE, Minn. - The anger is getting raw at Republican rallies and
John McCain is acting to tamp it down. McCain was booed by his own
supporters Friday when, in an abrupt switch from raising questions
about Barack Obama's character, he described the Democrat as a "decent
person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president
of the United States."

A sense of grievance spilling into rage has gripped some GOP events
this week as McCain supporters see his presidential campaign lag
against Obama. Some in the audience are making it personal, against
the Democrat. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and
even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah
Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them.

McCain changed his tone Friday when supporters at a town hall pressed
him to be rougher on Obama. A voter said, "The people here in
Minnesota want to see a real fight." Another said Obama would lead the
U.S. into socialism. Another said he did not want his unborn child
raised in a country led by Obama.

"If you want a fight, we will fight," McCain said. "But we will be
respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." When people
booed, he cut them off.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/...n_angry_crowds

Neither McCain nor Obama!

To the more liberal Americans: Do you really think that Obama is the
“anti-war candidate” when he now cravenly says that he is not
committed to complete pullout from Iraq on his original timetable and
that he will “evaluate the situation at the time.” Obama actually
promises to massively increase American troops in the meat-grinder of
Afghanistan. Are these the words of an anti-war candidate, or an
extreme, pro-war candidate?

Just like John McCain, Obama has prostrated himself at the feet of the
Jewish Lobby and the extremists who run Israel. His biggest single
source of campaign money comes from the hyper-globalist, Zionist,
international banking house of Goldman Sachs, and he dutifully
supported the 700 billion theft proposed by them and just like McCain
supports Fed Chairman Ben SHALOM Bernanke. Is Obama an agent of change
or more of the same in a different, more acceptable, and perhaps more
dangerous face? With the hatred of George Bush in America and around
the world, and Obama viewed as an agent of change, he is actually in
a position to advance the same insane, globalist policies of war and
globalism more dangerously than would be a John McCain who is seen
accurately as a continuation of the policies of George Bush.

To the more conservative Americans: Do you really think John McCain,
Mr. Amnesty, truly supports your true interests? 15 out of the 20
largest sources of McCain’s campaign come from Wall Street, Globalist
financial firms, including, as is the case for Obama: firms like
Goldman Sachs. He, like Obama, supported the bailout, the biggest
theft in American history, and for truly patriotic Americans,
remember: he supports Americans spending the blood of our sons and
bankrupting this country in endless wars for Israel.

Those of you from the Left or the Right who think you must vote for
the “lesser of two evils,” are being manipulated by the media to
support the continuation of a rigged system that the American people
cannot win. The lesser of two evils is still EVIL! [...]

Mo
http://www.davidduke.com/general/510...html#more-5103

Mr. duke is a BIG Racist and needs to be Ignored
"

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:44:35 -0400, "Leonard Shapiro"
wrote:

Mr. duke is a BIG Racist and needs to be Ignored
"

Just because a person's attitudes, prejudices, etc. don't agree with
your's in one respect doesn't mean that he is in error in all
respects. Following the reasoning of the quote, T.A. Edison should be
ignored and, by extension, all the inventions credited to him.

Don't know who the "Duke" fellow is that's the subject of the quote;
my objection is to the implicit generalization.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:57:30 -0500, Tom Veatch wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:44:35 -0400, "Leonard Shapiro"
wrote:

Mr. duke is a BIG Racist and needs to be Ignored
"

Just because a person's attitudes, prejudices, etc. don't agree with
your's in one respect doesn't mean that he is in error in all
respects. Following the reasoning of the quote, T.A. Edison should be
ignored and, by extension, all the inventions credited to him.

Don't know who the "Duke" fellow is that's the subject of the quote;
my objection is to the implicit generalization.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

You might have looked a lot smarter if you knew who David Duke was.
Not knowing, led you to post something that makes you appear quite a
bit dumber than a post.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:47:09 -0400, wrote:

You might have looked a lot smarter if you knew who David Duke was.
Not knowing, led you to post something that makes you appear quite a
bit dumber than a post.

Oh, I know who David Duke is or was, whichever the case may be. But
his being an Imperial Grand Wizard of the KKK, or whatever the title
might be, doesn't negate what I said. It is interesting that, in
accordance with extensive historical precedent, you have taken the
celebrated course of shooting the messenger because you don't like the
message. But, fear not, you are in numerous, if not good, company.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

"Tom Veatch" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:44:35 -0400, "Leonard Shapiro"
wrote:

Mr. duke is a BIG Racist and needs to be Ignored
"

Just because a person's attitudes, prejudices, etc. don't agree with
your's in one respect doesn't mean that he is in error in all
respects. Following the reasoning of the quote, T.A. Edison should be
ignored and, by extension, all the inventions credited to him.

The poster didn't say "he is in error in all respects", he said he should be
ignored. We can easily discuss the issues without advancing or propagating a
racist viewpoint.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:17:17 -0400, "ATP*"
wrote:


The poster didn't say "he is in error in all respects", he said he should be
ignored. We can easily discuss the issues without advancing or propagating a
racist viewpoint.


The poster also didn't say "selectively ignore". Unqualified "ignore"
implies "in all respects".

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

THINK WOODWORKING and take your political crap to another group

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:07:46 -0500, Tom Veatch wrote:

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:47:09 -0400, wrote:

You might have looked a lot smarter if you knew who David Duke was.
Not knowing, led you to post something that makes you appear quite a
bit dumber than a post.

Oh, I know who David Duke is or was, whichever the case may be. But
his being an Imperial Grand Wizard of the KKK, or whatever the title
might be, doesn't negate what I said. It is interesting that, in
accordance with extensive historical precedent, you have taken the
celebrated course of shooting the messenger because you don't like the
message. But, fear not, you are in numerous, if not good, company.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Gee, Tom, at least you are proud of your stupidity!

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.

wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.
Oh, they riot all right- it is just usually over sports, not something
as meaningless to them as politics. Look in any big-city/college town
paper the day after their team wins a championship, or loses in the last
game.

--
aem sends...

wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.

It's OK to blame rednecks, it's not politically correct to
put the blame where it really belongs. Around Birmingham, AL
the theft of air conditioners, any kind of aluminum, copper
wire and pipe has dramatically increased in the last few years.
Millions of dollars in damage is being done to unoccupied or
homes under construction in order to steal the metal. Many
homeowners come home from work or a trip to find that their AC
has been stolen or stripped of copper and aluminum. Since we
can't say who's really doing it, we are now blaming it on the
Bulgarians or Canadians if we're really mad. The theory being
that when The Soviet Union broke up, The Bulgarian Secret Service
had nothing to do, so they've migrated to The United States to
steal copper and aluminum. Damn Eastern European Honkies!

TDD

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:46:50 -0400, wrote:

Gee, Tom, at least you are proud of your stupidity!

Gee, Salty, I invite your attention to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem


Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

In article ,
says...
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.

It's OK to blame rednecks, it's not politically correct to
put the blame where it really belongs. Around Birmingham, AL
the theft of air conditioners, any kind of aluminum, copper
wire and pipe has dramatically increased in the last few years.
Millions of dollars in damage is being done to unoccupied or
homes under construction in order to steal the metal. Many
homeowners come home from work or a trip to find that their AC
has been stolen or stripped of copper and aluminum. Since we
can't say who's really doing it, we are now blaming it on the
Bulgarians or Canadians if we're really mad. The theory being
that when The Soviet Union broke up, The Bulgarian Secret Service
had nothing to do, so they've migrated to The United States to
steal copper and aluminum. Damn Eastern European Honkies!

....and the locals told me it was those commies from Tuscaloosa.

--
Keith (recently moved to Auburn)

krw wrote:
In article ,
says...
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.
I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.
It's OK to blame rednecks, it's not politically correct to
put the blame where it really belongs. Around Birmingham, AL
the theft of air conditioners, any kind of aluminum, copper
wire and pipe has dramatically increased in the last few years.
Millions of dollars in damage is being done to unoccupied or
homes under construction in order to steal the metal. Many
homeowners come home from work or a trip to find that their AC
has been stolen or stripped of copper and aluminum. Since we
can't say who's really doing it, we are now blaming it on the
Bulgarians or Canadians if we're really mad. The theory being
that when The Soviet Union broke up, The Bulgarian Secret Service
had nothing to do, so they've migrated to The United States to
steal copper and aluminum. Damn Eastern European Honkies!

...and the locals told me it was those commies from Tuscaloosa.

Or pig farmers from Auburn.

TDD

In article ,
says...
krw wrote:
In article ,
says...
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.
I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.
It's OK to blame rednecks, it's not politically correct to
put the blame where it really belongs. Around Birmingham, AL
the theft of air conditioners, any kind of aluminum, copper
wire and pipe has dramatically increased in the last few years.
Millions of dollars in damage is being done to unoccupied or
homes under construction in order to steal the metal. Many
homeowners come home from work or a trip to find that their AC
has been stolen or stripped of copper and aluminum. Since we
can't say who's really doing it, we are now blaming it on the
Bulgarians or Canadians if we're really mad. The theory being
that when The Soviet Union broke up, The Bulgarian Secret Service
had nothing to do, so they've migrated to The United States to
steal copper and aluminum. Damn Eastern European Honkies!

...and the locals told me it was those commies from Tuscaloosa.

Or pig farmers from Auburn.

There you go, blaming the rednecks again.

--
Keith

Some of the stock market dump MAY have been caused by obama fear.

Mc Cain is the one who took his campaign very negative early. Obama
has been respectuful.

wrote in message
...
Some of the stock market dump MAY have been caused by obama fear.

Mc Cain is the one who took his campaign very negative early. Obama
has been respectuful.





COMON GUYS DON"T YOU KNOW THAT MC-CAIN IS
OTHER HALF OF BUSH

Old and Grunpy wrote:
wrote in message
...
Some of the stock market dump MAY have been caused by obama fear.

Mc Cain is the one who took his campaign very negative early. Obama
has been respectuful.





COMON GUYS DON"T YOU KNOW THAT MC-CAIN IS
OTHER HALF OF BUSH


the good half.

On Oct 12, 6:40*pm, Tom wrote:
Old and Grunpy wrote:
wrote in message
....
Some of the stock market dump MAY have been caused by obama fear.

Mc Cain is the one who took his campaign very negative early. Obama
has been respectuful.

COMON GUYS DON"T YOU KNOW THAT MC-CAIN IS
OTHER HALF OF BUSH

the good half.

There *IS* no good half. Bush is evil through and through. He sold his
soul when he joined Skull & Bones.

krw wrote:
In article ,
says...
krw wrote:
In article ,
says...
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.
I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.
It's OK to blame rednecks, it's not politically correct to
put the blame where it really belongs. Around Birmingham, AL
the theft of air conditioners, any kind of aluminum, copper
wire and pipe has dramatically increased in the last few years.
Millions of dollars in damage is being done to unoccupied or
homes under construction in order to steal the metal. Many
homeowners come home from work or a trip to find that their AC
has been stolen or stripped of copper and aluminum. Since we
can't say who's really doing it, we are now blaming it on the
Bulgarians or Canadians if we're really mad. The theory being
that when The Soviet Union broke up, The Bulgarian Secret Service
had nothing to do, so they've migrated to The United States to
steal copper and aluminum. Damn Eastern European Honkies!
...and the locals told me it was those commies from Tuscaloosa.

Or pig farmers from Auburn.

There you go, blaming the rednecks again.

Auburn University has an incredible veterinary medicine program.
I remember driving through Auburn one time and passing the Swine
Research Unit, I almost ran off the road because the smell stunned
me. GAAAAK!

TDD

On Oct 12, 6:32�pm, "Old and Grunpy" t. wrote:
wrote in message

...

Some of the stock market dump MAY have been caused by obama fear.

Mc Cain is the one who took his campaign very negative early. Obama
has been respectuful.

COMON GUYS DON"T YOU KNOW THAT MC-CAIN IS
OTHER HALF OF BUSH

nothing good about bush the jerk is the anti christ.......

restarted the cold war, invaded iraq foir no good reason, and
destabilized the mid east as a side effect. saddam kept iran in check.
miss handled katrina, has a serious recession or depression on his
watch. the list goes on

wrote:

nothing good about bush the jerk is the anti christ.......

restarted the cold war, invaded iraq foir no good reason, and
destabilized the mid east as a side effect. saddam kept iran in check.
miss handled katrina, has a serious recession or depression on his
watch. the list goes on

Face it.

The only reason many identify McCain with Bush is so they can get another
more chance to defeat Dubya. That's understandable; we conservatives have
been trying to bury FDR for decades.

And I'll take issue with some of your conclusions. For example, there are
two salutary benefits to the Iraq war:

1. Virtually every ground commander in our armed forces, from sergeant to
general, has led men in combat. You can't BUY this kind of experience. The
tip of the spear is not only sharpened, but polished.

2. Consider the consequences Sadaam suffered for irritating our president.
Sadaam was stripped of power, evicted from his homes, had his fortune
confiscated, his family exiled, his children killed, his friends imprisoned,
and, in the fullness of time, his own neck stretched. This endeavor focuses
the attention of other who might be similarly inclined.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
wrote:

nothing good about bush the jerk is the anti christ.......

restarted the cold war, invaded iraq foir no good reason, and
destabilized the mid east as a side effect. saddam kept iran in check.
miss handled katrina, has a serious recession or depression on his
watch. the list goes on

Face it.

The only reason many identify McCain with Bush is so they can get another
more chance to defeat Dubya. That's understandable; we conservatives have
been trying to bury FDR for decades.

And I'll take issue with some of your conclusions. For example, there are
two salutary benefits to the Iraq war:

1. Virtually every ground commander in our armed forces, from sergeant to
general, has led men in combat. You can't BUY this kind of experience. The
tip of the spear is not only sharpened, but polished.

2. Consider the consequences Sadaam suffered for irritating our president.
Sadaam was stripped of power, evicted from his homes, had his fortune
confiscated, his family exiled, his children killed, his friends
imprisoned,
and, in the fullness of time, his own neck stretched. This endeavor
focuses
the attention of other who might be similarly inclined.


And the best thing of all is that the cost to us was so small. Only
trillions of dollars and a few thousand dead and permanently crippled young
people. Yeah, our losses in the affair didn't amount to much, and now we
have some more experienced soldiers. That invasion was a great idea.

Hawke

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

wrote:

1. Virtually every ground commander in our armed forces, from sergeant to
general, has led men in combat. You can't BUY this kind of experience. The
tip of the spear is not only sharpened, but polished.


At a time when even the Army is beginning to wonder if the spear is
the proper shape. But I guess even that is a plus if we get away from
fighting every war in Central Europe. For further I commend one and all
to Thomas P.M. Barnett and his book The Pentagon's New Map. Especially
the Leviathan and sys-admin bifurcation of forces.
For the Cliff Notes version,
http://globetrotter.berkeley.edu/peo...nett-con0.html

On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:17:20 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

wrote:

nothing good about bush the jerk is the anti christ.......

restarted the cold war, invaded iraq foir no good reason, and
destabilized the mid east as a side effect. saddam kept iran in check.
miss handled katrina, has a serious recession or depression on his
watch. the list goes on

Face it.

The only reason many identify McCain with Bush is so they can get another
more chance to defeat Dubya. That's understandable; we conservatives have
been trying to bury FDR for decades.

And I'll take issue with some of your conclusions. For example, there are
two salutary benefits to the Iraq war:

1. Virtually every ground commander in our armed forces, from sergeant to
general, has led men in combat. You can't BUY this kind of experience. The
tip of the spear is not only sharpened, but polished.

2. Consider the consequences Sadaam suffered for irritating our president.
Sadaam was stripped of power, evicted from his homes, had his fortune
confiscated, his family exiled, his children killed, his friends imprisoned,
and, in the fullness of time, his own neck stretched. This endeavor focuses
the attention of other who might be similarly inclined.


Howdy,

Sadly, I agree with your #2 description above...

One would hope though that things far beyond "irritating our
president" would one day become the motivating force behind
our foreign policy.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

On Oct 11, 11:12*am, LOVE Europe HATE the EU
wrote:
LAKEVILLE, Minn. - The anger is getting raw at Republican rallies and
John McCain is acting to tamp it down. McCain was booed by his own
supporters Friday when, in an abrupt switch from raising questions
about BarackObama'scharacter, he described the Democrat as a "decent
person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president
of the United States."

A sense of grievance spilling into rage has gripped some GOP events
this week as McCain supporters see his presidential campaign lag
againstObama. Some in the audience are making it personal, against
the Democrat. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and
even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah
Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them.

McCain changed his tone Friday when supporters at a town hall pressed
him to be rougher onObama. A voter said, "The people here in
Minnesota want to see a real fight." Another saidObamawould lead the
U.S. into socialism. Another said he did not want his unborn child
raised in a country led byObama.

"If you want a fight, we will fight," McCain said. "But we will be
respectful. I admire Sen.Obamaand his accomplishments." When people
booed, he cut them off.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/...n_angry_crowds

Neither McCain norObama!

To the more liberal Americans: Do you really think thatObamais the
“anti-war candidate” when he now cravenly says that he is not
committed to complete pullout from Iraq on his original timetable and
that he will “evaluate the situation at the time.”Obamaactually
promises to massively increase American troops in the meat-grinder of
Afghanistan. *Are these the words of ananti-war candidate, or an
extreme, pro-war candidate?

Just like John McCain,Obamahas prostrated himself at the feet of the
Jewish Lobby and the extremists who run Israel. His biggest single
source of campaign money comes from the hyper-globalist, Zionist,
international banking house of Goldman Sachs, and he dutifully
supported the 700 billion theft proposed by them and just like McCain
supports Fed Chairman Ben SHALOM Bernanke. IsObamaan agent of change
or more of the same in a different, more acceptable, and perhaps more
dangerous face? With the hatred of George Bush in America and around
the world, andObamaviewed as an agent of change, he is actually in
a position to advance the same insane, globalist policies of war and
globalism more dangerously than would be a John McCain who is seen
accurately as a continuation of the policies of George Bush.

To the more conservative Americans: Do you really think John McCain,
Mr. Amnesty, truly supports your true interests? 15 out of the 20
largest sources of McCain’s campaign come from Wall Street, Globalist
financial firms, including, as is the case forObama: *firms like
Goldman Sachs. He, likeObama, supported the bailout, the biggest
theft in American history, and for truly patriotic Americans,
remember: he supports Americans spending the blood of our sons and
bankrupting this country in endless wars for Israel.

Those of you from the Left or the Right who think you must vote for
the “lesser of two evils,” are being manipulated by the media to
support the continuation of a rigged system that the American people
cannot win. The lesser of two evils is still EVIL! [...]

Mohttp://www.davidduke.com/general/510...html#more-5103

If you are a Christian you can not vote for obama.
If you are a Jew you can not vote for obama.

http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/2008...-vs-obama.html

On Oct 12, 1:02*pm, aemeijers wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted *in
any recent history.

Oh, they riot all right- it is just usually over sports, not something
as meaningless to them as politics. Look in any big-city/college town
paper the day after their team wins a championship, or loses in the last
game.

--
aem sends...

Go to some of the games. I quit some years ago, because leaving the
stadium got tiresome, and not because of the lengthy bus ride to the
cars. Over the years, I've seen goodly number of fights and had a
couple, but beer emboldened redneck college students are a special
case. Punching each other out on the top row of bleachers ain't the
brightest form of changing each other's opinons, and we seldom left a
UVA game with seeing a half dozen of those and a lot more of the kind
of silliness that leads to such punch-outs.

On Oct 12, 2:09*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted *in
any recent history.

It's OK to blame rednecks, it's not politically correct to
put the blame where it really belongs. Around Birmingham, AL
the theft of air conditioners, any kind of aluminum, copper
wire and pipe has dramatically increased in the last few years.
Millions of dollars in damage is being done to unoccupied or
homes under construction in order to steal the metal. Many
homeowners come home from work or a trip to find that their AC
has been stolen or stripped of copper and aluminum. Since we
can't say who's really doing it, we are now blaming it on the
Bulgarians or Canadians if we're really mad. The theory being
that when The Soviet Union broke up, The Bulgarian Secret Service
had nothing to do, so they've migrated to The United States to
steal copper and aluminum. Damn Eastern European Honkies!

TDD

Around here, it has been the rednecks. Not long ago, a pair broke into
a shut-down arsenal nearby, to steal coppier wire. One asshole used
bolt cutters on what turned out to be, IIRC, a 460 volt live wire. He
didn't make it, and the clown with him--might have been his son--was
seriously injured. They were NOT Canadian, Hispanic, Bulgarian or
such. Just simple Scots-Irish who wanted booze money.

On Oct 12, 6:40*pm, Tom wrote:
Old and Grunpy wrote:
wrote in message
....
Some of the stock market dump MAY have been caused by obama fear.

Mc Cain is the one who took his campaign very negative early. Obama
has been respectuful.

COMON GUYS DON"T YOU KNOW THAT MC-CAIN IS
OTHER HALF OF BUSH

the good half.

Not a chance. There is NO good half to GWB. Or good 1%.

On Oct 12, 9:17*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:

nothing good about bush the jerk is the anti christ.......

restarted the cold war, invaded iraq foir no good reason, and
destabilized the mid east as a side effect. saddam kept iran in check.
miss handled katrina, has a serious recession or depression on his
watch. the list goes on

Face it.

The only reason many identify McCain with Bush is so they can get another
more chance to defeat Dubya. That's understandable; we conservatives have
been trying to bury FDR for decades.

And I'll take issue with some of your conclusions. For example, there are
two salutary benefits to the Iraq war:

1. Virtually every ground commander in our armed forces, from sergeant to
general, has led men in combat. You can't BUY this kind of experience. The
tip of the spear is not only sharpened, but polished.

Bull**** you can't buy it. We've paid in cash (or credit) and lives.


2. Consider the consequences Sadaam suffered for irritating our president..
Sadaam was stripped of power, evicted from his homes, had his fortune
confiscated, his family exiled, his children killed, his friends imprisoned,
and, in the fullness of time, his own neck stretched. This endeavor focuses
the attention of other who might be similarly inclined.

There is absolutely no evidence to support this idea.

"Angelocracy" wrote in message
...
On Oct 11, 11:12 am, LOVE Europe HATE the EU
wrote:
LAKEVILLE, Minn. - The anger is getting raw at Republican rallies and
John McCain is acting to tamp it down. McCain was booed by his own
supporters Friday when, in an abrupt switch from raising questions
about BarackObama'scharacter, he described the Democrat as a "decent
person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president
of the United States."

A sense of grievance spilling into rage has gripped some GOP events
this week as McCain supporters see his presidential campaign lag
againstObama. Some in the audience are making it personal, against
the Democrat. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and
even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah
Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them.

McCain changed his tone Friday when supporters at a town hall pressed
him to be rougher onObama. A voter said, "The people here in
Minnesota want to see a real fight." Another saidObamawould lead the
U.S. into socialism. Another said he did not want his unborn child
raised in a country led byObama.

"If you want a fight, we will fight," McCain said. "But we will be
respectful. I admire Sen.Obamaand his accomplishments." When people
booed, he cut them off.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/...n_angry_crowds

Neither McCain norObama!

To the more liberal Americans: Do you really think thatObamais the
“anti-war candidate” when he now cravenly says that he is not
committed to complete pullout from Iraq on his original timetable and
that he will “evaluate the situation at the time.”Obamaactually
promises to massively increase American troops in the meat-grinder of
Afghanistan. Are these the words of ananti-war candidate, or an
extreme, pro-war candidate?

Just like John McCain,Obamahas prostrated himself at the feet of the
Jewish Lobby and the extremists who run Israel. His biggest single
source of campaign money comes from the hyper-globalist, Zionist,
international banking house of Goldman Sachs, and he dutifully
supported the 700 billion theft proposed by them and just like McCain
supports Fed Chairman Ben SHALOM Bernanke. IsObamaan agent of change
or more of the same in a different, more acceptable, and perhaps more
dangerous face? With the hatred of George Bush in America and around
the world, andObamaviewed as an agent of change, he is actually in
a position to advance the same insane, globalist policies of war and
globalism more dangerously than would be a John McCain who is seen
accurately as a continuation of the policies of George Bush.

To the more conservative Americans: Do you really think John McCain,
Mr. Amnesty, truly supports your true interests? 15 out of the 20
largest sources of McCain’s campaign come from Wall Street, Globalist
financial firms, including, as is the case forObama: firms like
Goldman Sachs. He, likeObama, supported the bailout, the biggest
theft in American history, and for truly patriotic Americans,
remember: he supports Americans spending the blood of our sons and
bankrupting this country in endless wars for Israel.

Those of you from the Left or the Right who think you must vote for
the “lesser of two evils,” are being manipulated by the media to
support the continuation of a rigged system that the American people
cannot win. The lesser of two evils is still EVIL! [...]

Mohttp://www.davidduke.com/general/510...html#more-5103

If you are a Christian you can not vote for obama.
If you are a Jew you can not vote for obama.

http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/2008...-vs-obama.html



if you are an idiot, you should die.

Some stupid asshole wrote:
If you are a Christian you can not vote for obama.
If you are a Jew you can not vote for obama.

If you are a True Scotsman you cannot vote for obama.

-Poot

aemeijers wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.
Oh, they riot all right- it is just usually over sports, not something
as meaningless to them as politics. Look in any big-city/college town
paper the day after their team wins a championship, or loses in the last
game.

--
aem sends...
those are your enlightened lib college students.

On Oct 13, 4:05*pm, Slim wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted *in
any recent history.
Oh, they riot all right- it is just usually over sports, not something
as meaningless to them as politics. Look in any big-city/college town
paper the day after their team wins a championship, or loses in the last
game.

--
aem sends...

those are your enlightened lib college students.

Odd. The ones I talked to when they were done punching each other were
engineering students, not exactly liberal arts (you might wish to look
up "liberal," by the way, especially as in "liberal arts").

Charlie Self wrote:
On Oct 12, 2:09 pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:
He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.
I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.
It's OK to blame rednecks, it's not politically correct to
put the blame where it really belongs. Around Birmingham, AL
the theft of air conditioners, any kind of aluminum, copper
wire and pipe has dramatically increased in the last few years.
Millions of dollars in damage is being done to unoccupied or
homes under construction in order to steal the metal. Many
homeowners come home from work or a trip to find that their AC
has been stolen or stripped of copper and aluminum. Since we
can't say who's really doing it, we are now blaming it on the
Bulgarians or Canadians if we're really mad. The theory being
that when The Soviet Union broke up, The Bulgarian Secret Service
had nothing to do, so they've migrated to The United States to
steal copper and aluminum. Damn Eastern European Honkies!

TDD

Around here, it has been the rednecks. Not long ago, a pair broke into
a shut-down arsenal nearby, to steal coppier wire. One asshole used
bolt cutters on what turned out to be, IIRC, a 460 volt live wire. He
didn't make it, and the clown with him--might have been his son--was
seriously injured. They were NOT Canadian, Hispanic, Bulgarian or
such. Just simple Scots-Irish who wanted booze money.

Hey them Scots-Irish is half my relatives. Now some are worse
than white trash, we call em CTW Caucasian Toxic Waste. Them
damn boys is always a stirrin up trouble.

TDD

Slim wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:

He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.

I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.
Oh, they riot all right- it is just usually over sports, not something
as meaningless to them as politics. Look in any big-city/college town
paper the day after their team wins a championship, or loses in the
last game.

--
aem sends...
those are your enlightened lib college students.
Nope, city boys do it too. It isn't just a north american thing, either.

--
aem sends...

In article ,
aemeijers wrote:


those are your enlightened lib college students.
Nope, city boys do it too. It isn't just a north american thing, either.


Yep. Heck the North Americans are positively restrained compared to
the Euro Soccer Hoodlums.

Charlie Self wrote:
On Oct 12, 9:17 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:

nothing good about bush the jerk is the anti christ.......

restarted the cold war, invaded iraq foir no good reason, and
destabilized the mid east as a side effect. saddam kept iran in
check. miss handled katrina, has a serious recession or depression
on his watch. the list goes on

Face it.

The only reason many identify McCain with Bush is so they can get
another more chance to defeat Dubya. That's understandable; we
conservatives have been trying to bury FDR for decades.

And I'll take issue with some of your conclusions. For example,
there are two salutary benefits to the Iraq war:

1. Virtually every ground commander in our armed forces, from
sergeant to general, has led men in combat. You can't BUY this kind
of experience. The tip of the spear is not only sharpened, but
polished.

Bull**** you can't buy it. We've paid in cash (or credit) and lives.

We have virtually no training program where the risk of death or serious
bodily injury is involved. We have no training program at all where you get
to kill people.

As for lives lost, well, that's regrettable. Still, our soldiers joined up
knowing death or serious injury was possible. They thought it was worth the
risk. Same idea as mountain climbing or car racing. The thrill of
accomplishment, the testing of one's self, the exercise of skill.



2. Consider the consequences Sadaam suffered for irritating our
president. Sadaam was stripped of power, evicted from his homes, had
his fortune confiscated, his family exiled, his children killed, his
friends imprisoned, and, in the fullness of time, his own neck
stretched. This endeavor focuses the attention of other who might be
similarly inclined.

There is absolutely no evidence to support this idea.

Libya.

Charlie Self wrote:
On Oct 13, 4:05 pm, Slim wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:38:23 -0400, Blattus Slafaly
wrote:
He had to say something. Those stupid ****ing rednecks were ready to
riot. McCain would have been charged with inciting a riot. The problem
with negative campaigning is that stupid ****ing rednecks would start a
civil war.
I hate to tell you, but it hasn't been "rednecks" that have rioted in
any recent history.
Oh, they riot all right- it is just usually over sports, not something
as meaningless to them as politics. Look in any big-city/college town
paper the day after their team wins a championship, or loses in the last
game.
--
aem sends...
those are your enlightened lib college students.

Odd. The ones I talked to when they were done punching each other were
engineering students, not exactly liberal arts (you might wish to look
up "liberal," by the way, especially as in "liberal arts").
well if you don't know most college students are lib and dem then you
didn't go to college