I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have no idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735 and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to take
it anywhere.

I've got the Dewalt DW735. The Delta is a very good planer. My
brother-in-law owns one; it's easy to use and put a fine finish on the wood
with very little snipe. The Dewalt, however, is an outstanding planer. It
planes so smooth that two pieces of planed wood want to stick together and
you'll question the need for any sanding. The only times I've had any snipe
at all were my fault for either trying to take too much off at once (3/32"
on dimensioning speed on pine) or putting a "follower" piece in too quickly
behind a small piece of stock and catching the blades.

If you've got the extra cash, the Dewalt is a heavier, better-engineered
planer. If not, the Delta is a good second choice.

BTW, the most recent issue of Popular Woodworking (Feb 2004) has a review of
13" planers. The DW735 took top honors.
"NoNameAtAll" wrote in message
...
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup
and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a
planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have no
idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735
and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've
never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to
take
it anywhere.

ntiSpam (NoNameAtAll) writes:

I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the
newsgroup and didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm
condidering buying a planer for my home workshop but I have no
experience with them and hence have no idea which one would be
good.

I have made good experiences with a predecessor of the Metabo ADH260D,
which is a combination machine that joints, planes and theicknesses.
While three individual machines in a roomy shop are of course superior
in a small shop (and with limited budget) such a combination is really
useful. Unfortunately it's now several hundred kilometers away from my
workshop...
--
Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe
Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX
.... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115
Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13
CH-1211 Geneve 23

There have been wars about this. Bottom line: Some people would rather
save some money and get the 22-580 and are happy with it. Some others would
rather pay the $100 more and go for the DW735 top of the line and good looks
and are also happy with it.

The only functional difference (i.e. "easy of use" issue) is the locking you
have to do on the 22-580 that you do not have to do on the DW735.

Also, if you care about cuts per into, the DW has more, at 96 and 179 cuts
per inch. As to whether or not this matters, see the archives.

Personal note: I have the DW735 and am very happy with it, glad I bought
it. But the bottom line is, whichever you choose, you will be happy.

--
gabriel

There have been wars about this. Bottom line: Some people would rather
save some money and get the 22-580 and are happy with it. Some others
would
rather pay the $100 more and go for the DW735 top of the line and good
looks
and are also happy with it.

The only functional difference (i.e. "easy of use" issue) is the locking
you
have to do on the 22-580 that you do not have to do on the DW735.

Also, if you care about cuts per into, the DW has more, at 96 and 179 cuts
per inch. As to whether or not this matters, see the archives.

Personal note: I have the DW735 and am very happy with it, glad I bought
it. But the bottom line is, whichever you choose, you will be happy.

--
gabriel

I have made good experiences with a predecessor of the Metabo ADH260D,
which is a combination machine that joints, planes and theicknesses.

Hey Juergen, how does the jointer measure up? Hitachi has a model here in
the USA that is a 12 inch planer and a 6 inch jointer. The jointer table
seems too small to do any real work, but at USD$1000 a piece, I don't want
to try it out myself.

How's the performance on your combo machine's jointing? How long a piece
can you can you joint on it?
--
gabriel

gabriel writes:

I have made good experiences with a predecessor of the Metabo ADH260D,
which is a combination machine that joints, planes and theicknesses.

Hey Juergen, how does the jointer measure up? Hitachi has a model here in

The infeed and the outfeed table are about 50cm long, while the
maximum witdth is 26cm,

the USA that is a 12 inch planer and a 6 inch jointer. The jointer table
seems too small to do any real work, but at USD$1000 a piece, I don't want
to try it out myself.

How's the performance on your combo machine's jointing? How long a piece

Good, but i have no comparison other than a manual jointer plane..

can you can you joint on it?

I've jointed up to 140cm on it, but (at least with a helper) longer
should be also possible.

--
Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe
Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany
CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23

Thanks for you reply. I think your device is better than the Hitachi I see
here. Anyway, the Hitachi is useless because it costs as much as a
DeWalt735 planer (USD$480) plus a Delta cabinet 6 inch planer (USD$550), so
no one will go for the Hitachi.

I have to go to Europe and try out some European woodworking equipment!
--
gabriel

(reply is in-place below)

"Harvey Levin" wrote in message
news:9_gNb.1239$_H5.869@lakeread06...
: I've got the Dewalt DW735. The Delta is a very good planer. My
: brother-in-law owns one; it's easy to use and put a fine finish on the
wood
: with very little snipe. The Dewalt, however, is an outstanding planer.
It
: planes so smooth that two pieces of planed wood want to stick together and
: you'll question the need for any sanding. The only times I've had any
snipe
: at all were my fault for either trying to take too much off at once (3/32"
: on dimensioning speed on pine) or putting a "follower" piece in too
quickly
: behind a small piece of stock and catching the blades.

-------------------
Well said :-)

and if the price of the Dewalt 735 is a bit "intimidating", you can do
nearly as well with the DeWalt 734 (which is lighter in price and weight
but still ahead of the Delta). The 734 is a three-blade planer like the 735
but only has a single speed. (The DeWalt 733 is a two-blade planer and more
in the league what the Deltas would like to be when you talk about results.)

----------------------------------:
: If you've got the extra cash, the Dewalt is a heavier, better-engineered
: planer. If not, the Delta is a good second choice.
:
: BTW, the most recent issue of Popular Woodworking (Feb 2004) has a review
of
: 13" planers. The DW735 took top honors.
: "NoNameAtAll" wrote in message
: ...
: I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup
: and
: didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a
: planer
: for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have
no
: idea
: which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735
: and
: Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
: expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes
and
: models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've
: never
: used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to
: take
: it anywhere.
:
:

I own and like my Delta 560 12 1/2 inch planer but if I were going to have
to replace it tomorrow it would be with the new De Walt 13" 3 blade two
speed unit. Both De Walt and Delta make good units but the new De Walt will
provide more CPI (cuts per inch) and that is the name of the game. Grater
DPI equals cleaner cuts and less tool marks in a greater variety of woods.

--
Mike G.

Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"NoNameAtAll" wrote in message
...
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup
and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a
planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have no
idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735
and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've
never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to
take
it anywhere.

I've never used the Dewalt but I heard its a great planer. I just recently
acquired the 580 and I love it. Final decision on buying it was price.
I believe Delta still has the $50.00 rebate offer on this item.

Joey in Chesapeake

"NoNameAtAll" wrote in message
...
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup
and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a
planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have no
idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735
and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've
never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to
take
it anywhere.

About a month ago I purchased the Delta 580 from Woodcraft for $330.00 after
rebate. ABSOLUTLEY SUPERB. No snipe, easy to setup, smooth finish. At that
price it was a no-brainer. I don't do anything special to avoid snipe, just
firm down the locking mechanism and feed boards at a slight angle. I've
planed white oak, cherry, and kentucky coffeetree with excellent results.

Good luck.

"NoNameAtAll" wrote in message
...
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup
and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a
planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have no
idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735
and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've
never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to
take
it anywhere.

NoNameAtAll wrote:
Are there other makes and models I should consider?

Parks No.95 (also badged as Craftsman)
Powermatic No. 100
Boice-Crane 12"

Ease of use is important to me because I've never
used one before.

Wood goes in one side and comes out the other. The planer
really does all the hard work.

Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to take
it anywhere.

Well then, the three above mentioned planers will suit you
just fine.

UA100

As I recall from some past posts, you own a Parks 95 don't you?

Bob S.


"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
...
NoNameAtAll wrote:
Are there other makes and models I should consider?

Parks No.95 (also badged as Craftsman)
Powermatic No. 100
Boice-Crane 12"

Ease of use is important to me because I've never
used one before.

Wood goes in one side and comes out the other. The planer
really does all the hard work.

Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to take
it anywhere.

Well then, the three above mentioned planers will suit you
just fine.

UA100

Bob S. wrote:
As I recall from some past posts, you own a Parks 95 don't you?


A Craftsman actually.

UA100

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:41:55 +0100, Juergen Hannappel wrote:
gabriel writes:

I have made good experiences with a predecessor of the Metabo ADH260D,
which is a combination machine that joints, planes and theicknesses.

Hey Juergen, how does the jointer measure up? Hitachi has a model here in

The infeed and the outfeed table are about 50cm long, while the
maximum witdth is 26cm,

the USA that is a 12 inch planer and a 6 inch jointer. The jointer table
seems too small to do any real work, but at USD$1000 a piece, I don't want
to try it out myself.

How's the performance on your combo machine's jointing? How long a piece

Good, but i have no comparison other than a manual jointer plane..

can you can you joint on it?

I've jointed up to 140cm on it, but (at least with a helper) longer
should be also possible.


I tried googling to see if I could find some pictures of the Metabo 260.
Came up w/ two sites, one german and one hungarian (can't read them and
couldn't navigate to find any pictures). The reason my ears perked up
when reading the thread is that I'm very interested in the Rikon RPJ10,
which other people have called the PT260 (note the similarity in the
model numbers), and it sounds like the dimensions are roughly correct
i.e. 10" bed (about 26cm), and the infeed and outfeed tables each being
50cm sounds about right for the ~39-1/4" overall length of the beds.
Someone else somewhere thought it looked a good deal like the Dewalt
combo machine they market in Britain.

Here are a couple links to some pictures:

http://www.right-tool.com/rikrp10plan.html

http://www.rikontools.com/planer_jointer.htm

On the second page, they (Rikon) refer to it as both the PT-260 and as
the RPJ-10. Is this by any chance close to the model that you are
referring to?

TIA,

nuk



--
I know more than enough *nix to do some very destructive things,
and not nearly enough to do very many useful things.

Do you mean less distance between peaks? Sharpness is primary, depth of cut
is the secondary determinant of surface smoothness. Your cabinet scraper
doesn't care how many ridges per inch it crosses. If they're shallow, they
go away in a single pass.

Of course, if you're a sandpaper only type, you may have more difficulty
with a larger number of burnished valleys from dull blades.

"Mike G" wrote in message
...
I own and like my Delta 560 12 1/2 inch planer but if I were going to have
to replace it tomorrow it would be with the new De Walt 13" 3 blade two
speed unit. Both De Walt and Delta make good units but the new De Walt
will
provide more CPI (cuts per inch) and that is the name of the game. Grater
DPI equals cleaner cuts and less tool marks in a greater variety of woods.

--
Mike G.

Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"NoNameAtAll" wrote in message
...
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup
and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a
planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have
no
idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735
and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes
and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've
never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to
take
it anywhere.

Ahhhhhh hell........that just blew the whole image Keefer... Here all along
I've envisioned you being the keeper of some of the crown jewels of the
woodworking world and now you tell me its a Craftsman...

Okay then, as a good net citizen I'll help you redeem yourself and remove
that thing from your shop so you can make room for a real piece of history.
Now tell me again, how many no-necks, knuckle dragging gentlemen from
Buffalo do I need to bring along to get that thing out of your shop?

Bob S.

"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
...
Bob S. wrote:
As I recall from some past posts, you own a Parks 95 don't you?


A Craftsman actually.

UA100

Buy the lathe instead, you'll have more fun

Gene

"NoNameAtAll" wrote in message
...
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup
and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a
planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have no
idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735
and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've
never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to
take
it anywhere.

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:07:07 GMT, "Bob S." wrote:

Ahhhhhh hell........that just blew the whole image Keefer... Here all along
I've envisioned you being the keeper of some of the crown jewels of the
woodworking world and now you tell me its a Craftsman...

Okay then, as a good net citizen I'll help you redeem yourself and remove
that thing from your shop so you can make room for a real piece of history.
Now tell me again, how many no-necks, knuckle dragging gentlemen from
Buffalo do I need to bring along to get that thing out of your shop?

Bob S.


and heavily armed ones too, I'll wager.






"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
.. .
Bob S. wrote:
As I recall from some past posts, you own a Parks 95 don't you?


A Craftsman actually.

UA100

Bob S. wrote:
Now tell me again, how many no-necks, knuckle dragging gentlemen from
Buffalo do I need to bring along to get that thing out of your shop?


Well, it took two like typed Mahwaukeans to get it down
there. I'll let you do the conversion as you'll know the
weaknesses of the species at your end.

And you have to get by St. Soozan.

UA100

On 14 Jan 2004 19:25:26 GMT, ntiSpam (NoNameAtAll)
wrote:

I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have no idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735 and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to take
it anywhere.


DeWalt, Makita, and Delta are very good brands. The Makita is lighter
weight amd smaller and can be moved around the shop a little easier.
The cost of the knives is about $40 for any of these. Be
prepared--Planning produces a *lot* of sawdust and noise. If the
Delta is $100 less than the DeWalt, I'd select the Delta which can
plane a 13" wide board, beating the DeWalt by 1/2"

In addition to my original reply to the question I've been following the
posts in the tread and I would like to throw in some more info.

I'm not plugging one unit over the other nor trying to change anyone's mind
about their choice of delta over de walt or visa versa however a small fact.

As I stated in my original post the name of the game for planers is CPI
(cuts per inch). The higher the CPI the cleaner a cut you get.

The Delta Two speed planer gives you 60 and 90 CPI the De Walt with three
blade gives you 96 and 179 CPI. In a smooth finish contest the De Walt would
win hands down. However, that doesn't mean that the surface the Delta is
going to give you will be lousy. My 12 1/2" single speed Delta gives a
pretty good finish as it is. If it dies I'll spend the money for the De Walt
but until that time I'm not going to feel deprived of a good machine.

Just passing the info on.

--
Mike G.

Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"NoNameAtAll" wrote in message
...
I'm sure this has been covered here before, but I googled the newsgroup
and
didn't come up with a whole lot of information. I'm condidering buying a
planer
for my home workshop but I have no experience with them and hence have no
idea
which one would be good. I've seen some discussion about the DeWalt 735
and
Delta 580, both of which are 13" planers. The DeWalt is about $100 more
expensive. Is it actually worth that much more? Are there other makes and
models I should consider? Ease of use is important to me because I've
never
used one before. Portability is not a big deal because I don't intend to
take
it anywhere.