I am looking at a few different table saws. Until recently, I was going to
get the Bosch 4000-07 ($500 from amazon). A pro carpenter I know
recommended it; I also have the Bosch 3915 scms, and it's great.

Then I came upon the pro-Ryobi comments in this group. Has anyone used
both the Bosch and the Ryobi, and is the Bosch "$200 better" than the
BT3100? ($300 at the Despot.)

For comparison, I looked at the Delta TS220 ($220) - has anyone used this?

I also visited the local HF store yesterday and took a look at the
much-inquired-about $340 table saw they sell. Looks like crap. The display
model's table was rusty and the fence couldn't be moved. Looked heavy, and
that was about it. (It's out of the running.)

My immediate use for the TS is some basic ripping of furring strips from
2x lumber.

--
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As a BT3000 owner I am pro Ryobi. With both saws you will run into power
issues. I have burned up a motor, but I had been ripping 2x's most of the
day. The induction motor in the Ryobi is not made for 100% duty cycle. I
have no idea if the Bosch is induction or not. I would classify the Bosch as
a construction site saw, and the Ryobi as a fine woodworking saw. Although I
have been talking to the foreman of a building remodel, and he uses the
BT3000. Says that it is light enough if he is working alone, with most of
the features of a contractors saw.

Anything you ever wanted to know about the BT3x00
http://www.bt3central.com/bt3k.asp


"Jedd Haas" wrote in message
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I am looking at a few different table saws. Until recently, I was going to
get the Bosch 4000-07 ($500 from amazon). A pro carpenter I know
recommended it; I also have the Bosch 3915 scms, and it's great.

Then I came upon the pro-Ryobi comments in this group. Has anyone used
both the Bosch and the Ryobi, and is the Bosch "$200 better" than the
BT3100? ($300 at the Despot.)

For comparison, I looked at the Delta TS220 ($220) - has anyone used this?

I also visited the local HF store yesterday and took a look at the
much-inquired-about $340 table saw they sell. Looks like crap. The display
model's table was rusty and the fence couldn't be moved. Looked heavy, and
that was about it. (It's out of the running.)

My immediate use for the TS is some basic ripping of furring strips from
2x lumber.

--
Jedd Haas - Artist
http://www.gallerytungsten.com
http://www.antijazz.com
http://www.epsno.com

"Jedd Haas" wrote in message
...

My immediate use for the TS is some basic ripping of furring strips from
2x lumber.

If that is all you will every do, any of the saw will do the job. What
about the future? If you plan to make cabinets, bookcases, etc, then you
will be better off looking for a better contractor's saw.
Ed

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 08:17:39 -0500, (Jedd Haas) wrote:


Then I came upon the pro-Ryobi comments in this group. Has anyone used
both the Bosch and the Ryobi, and is the Bosch "$200 better"

Yes.

I have not used the Ryobi table saw because all the Ryobi
products I have every used failed to do the job. Ryobi is on my
"do-not-buy list."

I have found the Bosch to be accurate. It has cut everything
I have given it to cut. When I cut oak, I have to slow down, but it
cuts it.


For comparison, I looked at the Delta TS220 ($220) - has anyone used this?


I thought about the Delta but the Bosch looked better. I have
no misgivings about my choice.


I have been making cabinets, mostly. It works very well. I
sometimes wish the table was bigger, but I'm willing to accept that
because of the extreme portability.


You will not regret the extra money for the Bosch.



Peter

News Junky wrote:

I would classify the Bosch as
a construction site saw, and the Ryobi as a fine woodworking saw.

I'm sure the Bosch makes a fine construction site saw given its
portability, but it is a well made and designed tool that is more than
adequate for fine woodworking. The biggest drawback of the Bosch when
comparing to a contractors saw is the table size. But if you want
portability or have limited space, and can live with the small table,
its hard to beat the Bosch. My neighbor who does fine (finish)
carpentry work for his livelihood post-retirement was so impressed by my
Bosch that he bought one. I think it is now the only table saw he uses,
even at home, and he loves the portability. I have both the
collapsible stand which I store in the garage for when I want to use it
outside, and the fixed stand for the basement. Both are very well made
- the sturdiness of the collapsible stand it truly impressive although
it you only plan to use it in one room I recommend the fixed stand.
Mine is on mounted on the Delta Universal mobile base.

The Bosch even comes with a decent combination blade. I have used the
stock blade to rip 6' by1 3/4" hard maple. I've since bought a Forrest
WWII which lives on the saw except when I cut plywood (use a Freud 80
tooth laminate blade which works slightly better for this task) or MDF
(I use the stock blade because it works fine and I'd rather dull it than
my WWII).

Can the Ryobi pass the nickel balanced on edge test? My Bosch can pass
it - even when starting up.
--
To email me use: sjusenet AT comcast DOT net

Steve James wrote:

Can the Ryobi pass the nickel balanced on edge test? My Bosch can pass
it - even when starting up.

Wow. I need to put a new saw in the queue somewhere. Mine makes a nickel
on the table two houses down from mine fall over when it starts up, and my
cat loses one of her lives.

If I don't have the piece clamped to something, I have to start the motor,
then line it up. I can't hold anything through the big jerk.

I have a Ryobi in the back of my mind, but what is this Bosch y'all are
debating about?

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Silvan wrote:

I have a Ryobi in the back of my mind, but what is this Bosch y'all are
debating about?

The Bosch 4000 Benchtop table saw. 15 amp induction motor with
soft-start and torque sensing feedback that tries to maintain constant
blade speed. Aluminum deck that is claimed to be the largest in its
class by the manufacturer (I assume the class is benchtop saws, and I
haven't checked their claim). It weighs 60 lbs. It has a good fence,
useable mitre gauge (not great but better than all other bench top saws
I looked at), and a good splitter and blade guard which I use. The
splitter is close to the blade and raises and lowers with the blade as
on European style saws. It costs about $500. Main competition a
Dewalt benchtop saw at about the same price. Compared to the Dewalt,
the Bosch has a better mitre guage, more table in front of the blade
(still not as much as I would like), and a MUCH more stable portable
stand. The Dewalt has a better fence than the Bosch, but the Bosch
fence works well.
--
To email me use: sjusenet AT comcast DOT net

"peter" wrote in message
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You will not regret the extra money for the Bosch.

Nor will he regret saving the $200 and buying a BT3100, as long as he has
the patience to set it up properly (and that is an important IF!).

http://www.bt3central.com/ has lots of information on them.

--randy

Can the Ryobi pass the nickel balanced on edge test? My Bosch can pass
it - even when starting up.

The "good" Ryboi's -- the BT3000 and BT3100 can, with ease. At least, my
BT3100 can, as can everyone else's that has reported on this test. The
thing has *no* noticeable vibration. When I got my jointer, I was shocked
by two things -- it's vibration, and how quiet the motor was.

--randy

Had a BT3000. Used it for a year.

Then bought a Jet JTS-10, in the $400-$500 range if you look hard.
I must say I am very happy with the Jet saw.

The way I see it....

BT3000 Pros:
- Light
- Small
- No rust. The top is made from extruded aluminum

BT3000 Cons:
- Non standard mitre slot. Cant use standard jigs and fixtures
using the slot
- Induction motor. Noise makes you and the neighbors nervous
- Power isnt there.
- Aluminum tabletop and fence might bend under clapsetmps
- Cant use standard delta/rockwell/jet jigs, extension tables,
or fences. The BT3000 doesnt follow the universal design that
most saws follow.

I initially bought the BT3000 because my wife wanted me to be sure
I would enjoy woodworking. I am glad I eventually replaced it with
the Jet. I dont want to upset BT3000 owners. Youll have to decide
for yourself.

Check out the google history in the rec. This is a frequent
topic. People either love it or dont care for it.

Terry

"Randy Chapman" wrote in message news:Glvmb.11602$275.23023@attbi_s53...
"peter" wrote in message
...

You will not regret the extra money for the Bosch.

Nor will he regret saving the $200 and buying a BT3100, as long as he has
the patience to set it up properly (and that is an important IF!).

http://www.bt3central.com/ has lots of information on them.

--randy

tbowman wrote:
- Induction motor. Noise makes you and the neighbors nervous

Did you mean _universal_ motor?

All of my induction-motor machines are rather quiet.

--
************************************
Chris Merrill

(remove the ZZZ to contact me)
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Sure beats a handsaw or a circular saw.

On 28 Oct 2003 22:17:56 -0800, (tbowman) wrote:

Had a BT3000. Used it for a year.

Then bought a Jet JTS-10, in the $400-$500 range if you look hard.
I must say I am very happy with the Jet saw.

The way I see it....

BT3000 Pros:
- Light
- Small
- No rust. The top is made from extruded aluminum

BT3000 Cons:
- Non standard mitre slot. Cant use standard jigs and fixtures
using the slot
- Induction motor. Noise makes you and the neighbors nervous
- Power isnt there.
- Aluminum tabletop and fence might bend under clapsetmps
- Cant use standard delta/rockwell/jet jigs, extension tables,
or fences. The BT3000 doesnt follow the universal design that
most saws follow.

I initially bought the BT3000 because my wife wanted me to be sure
I would enjoy woodworking. I am glad I eventually replaced it with
the Jet. I dont want to upset BT3000 owners. Youll have to decide
for yourself.

Check out the google history in the rec. This is a frequent
topic. People either love it or dont care for it.

Terry

"Randy Chapman" wrote in message news:Glvmb.11602$275.23023@attbi_s53...
"peter" wrote in message
...

You will not regret the extra money for the Bosch.

Nor will he regret saving the $200 and buying a BT3100, as long as he has
the patience to set it up properly (and that is an important IF!).

http://www.bt3central.com/ has lots of information on them.

--randy

In article , st.ng4
@christophermerrillZZZ.net says...
tbowman wrote:
- Induction motor. Noise makes you and the neighbors nervous

Did you mean _universal_ motor?

All of my induction-motor machines are rather quiet.


Yup, it has a universal motor. Still, the things a lot quieter than my
"quiet" shop vac, and both are quieter than when the wood meets the
blade.