Ever since I started working with wood I've been building stuff to
make it easier to get better and better results with inexpensive tools
(partly because I'm lazy and partly because I enjoy creating tools as
much as I enjoy making things with 'em).

A couple of weeks ago I had a visitor stop by the shop to take the
tour - and when he left, he carried off a little no-moving-parts gizmo
I'd put together that'd caught his interest. One thing led to another;
and Saturday morning I mailed back his copy of an agreement licensing
production and sales to his company in return for royalties.

This is a first for me. Probably won't ever make me either rich or
famous - but it's a good ego trip. The link below points to a web page
with info. I don't know when it'll hit the market, but hope to see it
listed in catalogs sometime in the next six months.

The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/ssq

Looks like a great Idea. I wish you all the best for full scale production.
Hope you seel a million. and make a few as well

Connor

On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:32:50 -0000, Morris Dovey wrote:

Ever since I started working with wood I've been building stuff to
make it easier to get better and better results with inexpensive tools
(partly because I'm lazy and partly because I enjoy creating tools as
much as I enjoy making things with 'em).

A couple of weeks ago I had a visitor stop by the shop to take the
tour - and when he left, he carried off a little no-moving-parts gizmo
I'd put together that'd caught his interest. One thing led to another;
and Saturday morning I mailed back his copy of an agreement licensing
production and sales to his company in return for royalties.

This is a first for me. Probably won't ever make me either rich or
famous - but it's a good ego trip. The link below points to a web page
with info. I don't know when it'll hit the market, but hope to see it
listed in catalogs sometime in the next six months.

The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/ssq





--
http://www.connoraston.com

Congrats on getting to this guy before anyone else did. This type of device
has been used on construction sites since the invention of the circular saw.
Worked great when framing my windows a couple months ago.

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
Ever since I started working with wood I've been building stuff to
make it easier to get better and better results with inexpensive tools
(partly because I'm lazy and partly because I enjoy creating tools as
much as I enjoy making things with 'em).

A couple of weeks ago I had a visitor stop by the shop to take the
tour - and when he left, he carried off a little no-moving-parts gizmo
I'd put together that'd caught his interest. One thing led to another;
and Saturday morning I mailed back his copy of an agreement licensing
production and sales to his company in return for royalties.

This is a first for me. Probably won't ever make me either rich or
famous - but it's a good ego trip. The link below points to a web page
with info. I don't know when it'll hit the market, but hope to see it
listed in catalogs sometime in the next six months.

The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/ssq

Congrats Morris.

I have a couple commercial versions of this already. And they are too short
and are hard to hold down when using. Make sure this is wide enough to cut
stock that is at least a foot wide.

That's great, Morris. I hope you it's a big seller and you get your
fair share. To often you hear of inventors getting very little to show
for their ideas.
Best of luck !
Lenny
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:32:50 -0600, "Morris Dovey"
wrote:

Ever since I started working with wood I've been building stuff to
make it easier to get better and better results with inexpensive tools
(partly because I'm lazy and partly because I enjoy creating tools as
much as I enjoy making things with 'em).

A couple of weeks ago I had a visitor stop by the shop to take the
tour - and when he left, he carried off a little no-moving-parts gizmo
I'd put together that'd caught his interest. One thing led to another;
and Saturday morning I mailed back his copy of an agreement licensing
production and sales to his company in return for royalties.

This is a first for me. Probably won't ever make me either rich or
famous - but it's a good ego trip. The link below points to a web page
with info. I don't know when it'll hit the market, but hope to see it
listed in catalogs sometime in the next six months.

The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".

Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 2:32am (EST-1) (Morris*Dovey)
proudly announces:
snip get better and better results with inexpensive tools snip
I mailed back his copy of an agreement licensing production and sales to
his company in return for royalties.
This is a first for me. Probably won't ever make me either rich or
famous snip
The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".

Actually, most of us just figured you were cheap. LMAO Good on ya
Morris. You were in the right place, at the right time - that's hard to
do. It'll make you more famous, and rich, than most of us - Hell, you
might even wind up being a hundredaire. Now I just hope the guy isn't
gonna outsource 'em to Mexico, or China.



JOAT
A rolling stone gathers no moss...unless it's a hobby he does on the
weekends.

In article ,
"Morris Dovey" wrote:

The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".

Good on you! Your CNC will be able to make a lot of parts for this
gizmo, eh?

"Gizmo Square. The only corners we cut are square ones."

You will remember us little people, won't you?

G

Congrats, Morris, you deserve it.

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...

The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".

--



Very Cool Morris. I wish you Good luck. Show him the Router Dado Jig next
time. LOL

....
Congrats on getting to this guy before anyone else did. This type of
device
has been used on construction sites since the invention of the circular
saw.
Worked great when framing my windows a couple months ago.

I used to work for a hardware company.
A guy sent us his new patent for a hasp with a hook built in.
Odd think is that we were already selling it; in fact it was in our 1898
catalog.
A year later I went to Mexico and found it on the door of a house built in
1575.
Yet the US Patent Office gave him a patent.
Go figure.

"Toller" wrote in message
...

...
Congrats on getting to this guy before anyone else did. This type of
device
has been used on construction sites since the invention of the circular
saw.
Worked great when framing my windows a couple months ago.

I used to work for a hardware company.
A guy sent us his new patent for a hasp with a hook built in.
Odd think is that we were already selling it; in fact it was in our 1898
catalog.
A year later I went to Mexico and found it on the door of a house built in
1575.
Yet the US Patent Office gave him a patent.
Go figure.

If the original actually had a Patent, it may have run out. Patents running
out is the real "bottom line" reason that R12 is no longer used as a
refrigerant in the US.

Leon (in ) said:

| "Morris Dovey" wrote in message
| ...
||
|| The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".
|
| Very Cool Morris. I wish you Good luck. Show him the Router Dado
| Jig next time. LOL

It's pretty hard to miss - hanging on the wall next to my table saw. I
restrained myself only because I've been waiting for you to come up
with a version that allows using bits without pilot bearings.

He's one of the few people that immediately picked up on the cut
placement aspect (the only thing that makes it different from squares
already in use) and the ability to RE-calibrate to maintain cut
location accuracy whenever saw or blade is changed.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

CW (in t) said:

| Congrats on getting to this guy before anyone else did. This type
| of device has been used on construction sites since the invention
| of the circular saw. Worked great when framing my windows a couple
| months ago.

Yuppers. I'd seen guys using several kinds of squares as crosscut
guides for framing. I liked the idea but the precision wasn't up to
cabinet-building standards - and it was the precision and ability to
recalibrate after a blade change that this guy liked.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

I used to work for a hardware company.
A guy sent us his new patent for a hasp with a hook built in.
Odd think is that we were already selling it; in fact it was in our 1898
catalog.
A year later I went to Mexico and found it on the door of a house built
in 1575.
Yet the US Patent Office gave him a patent.
Go figure.

If the original actually had a Patent, it may have run out. Patents
running out is the real "bottom line" reason that R12 is no longer used as
a refrigerant in the US.

R12 (Dichlorodifluoromethane) was on the list of chemicals banned by a
treaty in 1999. It had nothing to do with patents.

Dave



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Leon wrote:
"Toller" wrote in message
...

A year later I went to Mexico and found it on the door of a house built in
1575.
Yet the US Patent Office gave him a patent.
Go figure.

If the original actually had a Patent, it may have run out. Patents running
out is the real "bottom line" reason that R12 is no longer used as a
refrigerant in the US.

With the way the US Patent and Trademark works today, they should simply
remake the application and resubmit. It's guaranteed they'll get a new
patent on the old tech.

er
--
email not valid

I wish you all success. Keep the ideas coming!
Dave


"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
Ever since I started working with wood I've been building stuff to
make it easier to get better and better results with inexpensive tools
(partly because I'm lazy and partly because I enjoy creating tools as
much as I enjoy making things with 'em).

A couple of weeks ago I had a visitor stop by the shop to take the
tour - and when he left, he carried off a little no-moving-parts gizmo
I'd put together that'd caught his interest. One thing led to another;
and Saturday morning I mailed back his copy of an agreement licensing
production and sales to his company in return for royalties.

This is a first for me. Probably won't ever make me either rich or
famous - but it's a good ego trip. The link below points to a web page
with info. I don't know when it'll hit the market, but hope to see it
listed in catalogs sometime in the next six months.

The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/ssq





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Lee Michaels (in ) said:

| Congrats Morris.
|
| I have a couple commercial versions of this already. And they are
| too short and are hard to hold down when using. Make sure this is
| wide enough to cut stock that is at least a foot wide.

My thoughts exactly. This one is a full foot wide and the saw fence is
a foot long with screw holes so that it can be extended to whatever
length is needed. I don't think I'd want to use it with an extension
for precise crosscutting of stock wider than about two feet.

It does a really good job as is with stock up to a foot wide. The
"extra" fence length is on the end where the cut starts (as opposed to
where the cut finishes) to make it easiest to get the saw lined up
right before starting the cut.

The only commercial version I've seen that provides for precision cut
placement is a fairly recent lightweight plastic square that can be
calibrated - but not re-calibrated after a blade change. I'm just too
cheap to buy a new square every time I change blades.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

J T (in ) said:

| Now I
| just hope the guy isn't gonna outsource 'em to Mexico, or China.

I don't think that's going to happen. Plans are to have 'em laser cut
right here in Iowa. I was asked to set up the part programming to mill
a promotional batch out of 6061 aluminum using the 'Bot in my shop.
That prospect makes me a little nervous because I've never
(intentionally) used the machine to cut metal before.

His other product, the Saw-Jaw, is made just down the road from me at
the same facility that made the molded plastic parts for my Kreg Jig.
My guess is that production will stay in Iowa.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

Connor Aston (in op.s1l3paurqkab0d@vigor13) said:

| Looks like a great Idea. I wish you all the best for full scale
| production. Hope you seel a million. and make a few as well

Don't know if I'll ever make enough to pay the shop rent - but your
good wishes are *much* appreciated.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

Robatoy (in ) said:

| In article ,
| "Morris Dovey" wrote:
|
|| The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".
|
| Good on you! Your CNC will be able to make a lot of parts for this
| gizmo, eh?

Only the first batch and only maybe. I've provided CAD files that
should allow going directly to laser cutting. Wow! Would you believe
that that the laser kerf is only 0.01" to 0.005" (depending on the
laser) in 16 ga. aluminum? I want a laser head for my 'Bot!

| You will remember us little people, won't you?

I can't even remember where I put my glasses - but you're still
welcome to drop in for a cup of coffee and as much "show and tell" as
you can stand. :-)

| Congrats, Morris, you deserve it.

Not sure that 'deserve' has much to do with anything but I appreciate
your good wishes.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

Morris Dovey wrote:
Ever since I started working with wood I've been building stuff to
make it easier to get better and better results with inexpensive tools
(partly because I'm lazy and partly because I enjoy creating tools as
much as I enjoy making things with 'em).


The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Think you will find this one in Fred Bingham's book, "Practical yacht
Joinery".

I made mine years ago.

BTW, glad to see you got a deal.

Lew

Lenny (in ) said:

| That's great, Morris. I hope you it's a big seller and you get your
| fair share. To often you hear of inventors getting very little to
| show for their ideas.
| Best of luck !

Thanks! I don't expect to make much (but wouldn't mind if I did!)
Actually, there are a lot of really good ideas bouncing around; but
the costs, time requirements, and risks involved in getting from idea
to sold product are significant. I think it's much more difficult to
find the people who can do that than it is to come up with the
original idea. For most of us, it's pretty much a "chicken and egg"
problem.

And there's the old problem that the technically-oriented people who
come up with solutions frequently don't have really good sales and
marketing talents (that'd be me.)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

Lew Hodgett (in t)
said:
| The more things change, the more they stay the same.
|
| Think you will find this one in Fred Bingham's book, "Practical
| yacht Joinery".

It's somewhat a relief to hear that. The idea seems too simple and
straightforward to have been overlooked for long. I spent a lot of
time looking for this thing as an off-the-shelf product; but had no
success.

| I made mine years ago.

My first was an all-wood version that couldn't be re-calibrated, built
when I had my RAS in the basement of my first house and was putting up
knotty pine board paneling in a room on the second floor back in '72
or '73. I didn't get around to a metal version that could be
recalibrated until almost ten years later. I had a machine shop make
steel, brass, and aluminum versions and decided that I liked the
aluminum best.

You can see one of these original aluminum squares at the link below.
All things considered, it's held up fairly well.

| BTW, glad to see you got a deal.

Thanks. :-)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/ssq/ssq_photo2.jpg (large file)

Now how in hell did Nahm the Jigmeister miss this one!

FoggyTown

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
Ever since I started working with wood I've been building stuff to
make it easier to get better and better results with inexpensive tools
(partly because I'm lazy and partly because I enjoy creating tools as
much as I enjoy making things with 'em).

A couple of weeks ago I had a visitor stop by the shop to take the
tour - and when he left, he carried off a little no-moving-parts gizmo
I'd put together that'd caught his interest. One thing led to another;
and Saturday morning I mailed back his copy of an agreement licensing
production and sales to his company in return for royalties.


Great to hear someone gets something for their work. Hope it
makes a good return for you


This is a first for me. Probably won't ever make me either rich or
famous - but it's a good ego trip. The link below points to a web page
with info. I don't know when it'll hit the market, but hope to see it
listed in catalogs sometime in the next six months.

The gloat part: It'll be labeled "Made in USA".


With so much going overseas to be manufactured, that is a gloat.
Congrats
Chuck




--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/ssq

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
A couple of weeks ago I had a visitor stop by the shop to take the
tour - and when he left, he carried off a little no-moving-parts gizmo
I'd put together that'd caught his interest. One thing led to another;
and Saturday morning I mailed back his copy of an agreement licensing
production and sales to his company in return for royalties.

Congrats. Why not put a couple of slots in the metal lip (the one that goes
under your hand), and attach it to the wooden board with wing nuts on
countersunk bolts? Then you could recalibrate with ease any time and every
time.

Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/ssq


- Owen -

"TeamCasa" wrote in message
...

R12 (Dichlorodifluoromethane) was on the list of chemicals banned by a
treaty in 1999. It had nothing to do with patents.


Actually DuPont's patent was running out in the early 90's They knew this
and lobbied to out law R12 and replace it with a more environmentally safe
refrigerant, one that they had the a new patent on. One that would not be
as detrimental to the ozone layer. Unfortunately the newer refrigerant is
more harmful to humans than the old R12. There was an ongoing article back
in the early 90's in the automotive trades magazines with details of how
this would unfold and it all happened as the articles indicated.

"Enoch Root" wrote in message
...

With the way the US Patent and Trademark works today, they should simply
remake the application and resubmit. It's guaranteed they'll get a new
patent on the old tech.


Yeah but the old R12 was cheaper the replacement is more expensive and leads
to higher profits. + the new is not as "harmful" to the ozone layer.
DuPont played this up so that they could sell their more expensive newly
patented Freon. As a matter of fact, Swedish scientists at the south pole
back in the early 1900's studied the ozone and documented that the ozone
hole was larger then that it was in the late 80's and early 90's. This was
all before automobiles were much of a common thing to see and Freon did not
exist then. This is all big business and government and environmentalists
scratching each others backs.

Leon wrote:
"TeamCasa" wrote in message
...

R12 (Dichlorodifluoromethane) was on the list of chemicals banned by a
treaty in 1999. It had nothing to do with patents.



Actually DuPont's patent was running out in the early 90's They knew this
and lobbied to out law R12 and replace it with a more environmentally safe
refrigerant, one that they had the a new patent on. One that would not be
as detrimental to the ozone layer. Unfortunately the newer refrigerant is
more harmful to humans than the old R12. There was an ongoing article back
in the early 90's in the automotive trades magazines with details of how
this would unfold and it all happened as the articles indicated.


My biggest complaint about R134a is that it doesn't cool as well as
"good ole" R12. As much as I like my Toyota, the a/c takes quite a while
to cool me down. The older car a/c's could freeze you out while driving
through the Mojave in August. One more thing to miss about the "good
ole days".

Dave

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
Leon (in ) said:

It's pretty hard to miss - hanging on the wall next to my table saw. I
restrained myself only because I've been waiting for you to come up
with a version that allows using bits without pilot bearings.


LOL. The first version did not use pilot bearings. It used a guide
bushing. The problem there was that it used a guide bushing that seldom is
centered accurately enough to insure a straight cut line.

Sure, now you come up with a common-sense way to get this simple task done
*after* I go out and buy a left sided blade saw!!! Thanks for nothin'!

Good luck with a nice idea!

TeamCasa (in ) said:

| I wish you all success. Keep the ideas coming!

Thank you. I'm hoping that by sharing the experience I'll encourage
other people with ideas to find their way to making woodworking more
affordable, easier, and more satisfying for all.

Finding new ways of doing things more easily, less expensively, or
that produce consistantly better results is (and should be!) a source
of pleasure and satisfaction. Taking that discovery to market seems
unnecessarily stressful and uncertain - mostly because it involves
traveling in strange (and possibly hazardous) territory. Perhaps
sharing some of my "baby steps" here on the wreck will make the
territory less strange, and the process less stressful - and provide
others with the confidence to say: "If /he/ can do it, then so can I."

Kind of like cutting dovetails that first time. :-)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

"David" wrote in message
...


My biggest complaint about R134a is that it doesn't cool as well as "good
ole" R12. As much as I like my Toyota, the a/c takes quite a while to cool
me down. The older car a/c's could freeze you out while driving through
the Mojave in August. One more thing to miss about the "good ole days".


You know, I have heard similar complaints about the R134a but I think that
the new refrigerant is being blamed for a design problem in many cases. I
have found that some of the new cars will cool faster and colder than
others. So far our latest vehicles seem to cool much better than the old
ones. With slow air flow and lots of stuff inside the dash that has to be
cooled before you feel air as cool as it is at the evaporator you do have to
wonder if the new works as well.

Owen Lawrence (in ) said:

| Congrats. Why not put a couple of slots in the metal lip (the one
| that goes under your hand), and attach it to the wooden board with
| wing nuts on countersunk bolts? Then you could recalibrate with
| ease any time and every time.

Thanks.

I'd given this idea some thought. I like the wing nut idea but that
makes replacement of the wooden rail a PIA (requires accurate rail
drilling plus countersinking plus machine screw and wing nut) that I'd
rather avoid. With the current setup, all it takes is three screws and
a strip of inexpensive 1x1 to minimize part costs, have easy field
maintainance, and reliable accuracy.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

CC (in )
said:

| With so much going overseas to be manufactured, that is a gloat.
| Congrats

Thanks.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

C & E (in ) said:

| Sure, now you come up with a common-sense way to get this simple
| task done *after* I go out and buy a left sided blade saw!!!
| Thanks for nothin'!

You should have asked before you spent! ;-)

Let me know if you need one that faces the other way - I'll see if I
can get 'em to bend one "backward".

| Good luck with a nice idea!

Thanks.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

Leon wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...


My biggest complaint about R134a is that it doesn't cool as well as "good
ole" R12. As much as I like my Toyota, the a/c takes quite a while to cool
me down. The older car a/c's could freeze you out while driving through
the Mojave in August. One more thing to miss about the "good ole days".



You know, I have heard similar complaints about the R134a but I think that
the new refrigerant is being blamed for a design problem in many cases. I
have found that some of the new cars will cool faster and colder than
others. So far our latest vehicles seem to cool much better than the old
ones. With slow air flow and lots of stuff inside the dash that has to be
cooled before you feel air as cool as it is at the evaporator you do have to
wonder if the new works as well.


My truck (w/R134a) cools down much faster than my Sienna. The lowest
temperature of both of them, after running for at least 15 minutes is no
where near the lowest temperatures provided by the R12 equipped cars. I
used to service a/c's with R12 and would get outlet temps near freezing
on a summer day. Not gonna get that out of today's vehicles! sometimes
I'd have to adjust or replace a component to keep the older models from
literally freezing up (the evaporator).

Dave

Mine was.

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...
CW (in t) said:

| Congrats on getting to this guy before anyone else did. This type
| of device has been used on construction sites since the invention
| of the circular saw. Worked great when framing my windows a couple
| months ago.

Yuppers. I'd seen guys using several kinds of squares as crosscut
guides for framing. I liked the idea but the precision wasn't up to
cabinet-building standards - and it was the precision and ability to
recalibrate after a blade change that this guy liked.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

CW (in ) said:

| "Morris Dovey" wrote in message
| ...
|| CW (in t) said:
||
||| Congrats on getting to this guy before anyone else did. This type
||| of device has been used on construction sites since the invention
||| of the circular saw. Worked great when framing my windows a couple
||| months ago.
||
|| Yuppers. I'd seen guys using several kinds of squares as crosscut
|| guides for framing. I liked the idea but the precision wasn't up to
|| cabinet-building standards - and it was the precision and ability
|| to recalibrate after a blade change that this guy liked.
||
| Mine was.

Interesting - who made it? I looked everywhere I could think to look;
but never found a comparable product (although that was before Mosaic
and my intro to the web).

I'm really curious.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

I did.

"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
...

Interesting - who made it? I looked everywhere I could think to look;
but never found a comparable product (although that was before Mosaic
and my intro to the web).

I'm really curious.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

CW (in et) said:

| I did.

Nicely done!

(Phew! I was afraid I'd somehow overlooked a commonly available
commercial product.)

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Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html