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Killed while cutting down neighbor's tree
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"AL" writes:
http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 Very strange story. They tell that this very tree fell over eight years ago, knoking holes into the houses roof, and now it falls down onto someone trying to fell it? Someone put it up again after it fell over for the first time? Not very credible. -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
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Juergen Hannappel wrote:
"AL" writes: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 Very strange story. They tell that this very tree fell over eight years ago, knoking holes into the houses roof, and now it falls down onto someone trying to fell it? Someone put it up again after it fell over for the first time? Not very credible. I thought the same thing when I first read the story. But given that a journalist wrote it (and we all know that they're not very bright) perhaps just a limb broke of earlier. I usually take what I read in News papers and hear reported on TV with a pinch of salt. As for the ability of journalists, as case in point was when the bombings occurred in England and a TV news reader asked the Minister for Railways(or similar) I can't recall his exact title, "If the underground was safe to travel on". **** how would he know ?? 5 minutes before the bombing he would have said yes. 5 minutes after their might never be another bomb. This was while there where still conflicting stories regarding the the number of explosions. DUH. Oh well my spleen is now empty All the best John A tragic story. |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:59:35 GMT, John B
wrote: Juergen Hannappel wrote: "AL" writes: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 Very strange story. They tell that this very tree fell over eight years ago, knoking holes into the houses roof, and now it falls down onto someone trying to fell it? Someone put it up again after it fell over for the first time? Not very credible. I thought the same thing when I first read the story. But given that a journalist wrote it (and we all know that they're not very bright) perhaps just a limb broke of earlier. I usually take what I read in News papers and hear reported on TV with a pinch of salt. They got their start here. |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:33:55 -0500, "AL" wrote:
Events like this always get to me: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 That has got to be the worst article I've ever read... I don't know that I've ever seen "thread drift" in the middle of a short piece like that. Kind of trivialises the guys death when the last half of the article is about the real estate history of the house. Would've made more sense to me if they'd have finished up with a bit about chainsaw saftey, maybe a few words from the EMT/Firemen on the scene about how people can prevent these things. Who cares when they bought and sold the house, or whether or not there was a fire there many years ago? |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:31:42 -0500, Prometheus
wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:33:55 -0500, "AL" wrote: Events like this always get to me: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 That has got to be the worst article I've ever read... I don't know that I've ever seen "thread drift" in the middle of a short piece like that. The Daily Herald is very consistent at least, I have seen poor reporting in it for years on end. Being a small paper in the Chicago market which gives away more than half of it subscriptions what do you expect? They pay lousy and over charge for advertising IMO. Mark |
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Markem wrote:
http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 That has got to be the worst article I've ever read... I don't know that I've ever seen "thread drift" in the middle of a short piece like that. The Daily Herald is very consistent at least, I have seen poor reporting in it for years on end. Being a small paper in the Chicago market which gives away more than half of it subscriptions what do you expect? They pay lousy and over charge for advertising IMO. Par for the course for these small papers. Not only the Daily Herald but the Northwest Herald (different publisher, farther NW burbs): The joke I like is: "Before the Herald (take your pick) we didn't have a daily paper fit to wrap garbage in. Now we do!" |
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Compare that to the big news guys that over sensationalize everything and
they all seem to think that it is their moral obligation to shape social views by selective reporting. Most news these days could more accurately be termed as fiction based on a true story. "Unquestionably Confused" wrote in message ... Markem wrote: Par for the course for these small papers. Not only the Daily Herald but the Northwest Herald (different publisher, farther NW burbs): The joke I like is: "Before the Herald (take your pick) we didn't have a daily paper fit to wrap garbage in. Now we do!" |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:09:16 GMT, "CW" wrote:
Compare that to the big news guys that over sensationalize everything and they all seem to think that it is their moral obligation to shape social views by selective reporting. Most news these days could more accurately be termed as fiction based on a true story. "Unquestionably Confused" wrote in message .. . Markem wrote: Par for the course for these small papers. Not only the Daily Herald but the Northwest Herald (different publisher, farther NW burbs): The joke I like is: "Before the Herald (take your pick) we didn't have a daily paper fit to wrap garbage in. Now we do!" Well you could not label the TV news "a reality show" it would really confuse the viewers. Mark |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:33:55 -0500, "AL" wrote:
Events like this always get to me: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 It's hard to know which one needs to get into a new line of work. The writer, or the editor. Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:33:55 -0500, "AL" wrote: Events like this always get to me: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 It's hard to know which one needs to get into a new line of work. The writer, or the editor. Both! -- Nahmie The greatest headaches are those we cause ourselves. |
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"Norman D. Crow" wrote in message ... "Tom Watson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:33:55 -0500, "AL" wrote: Events like this always get to me: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 It's hard to know which one needs to get into a new line of work. The writer, or the editor. Both! Not to mention our two amatuer lumberjacks. |
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Lee Michaels wrote: "Norman D. Crow" wrote in message ... "Tom Watson" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:33:55 -0500, "AL" wrote: Events like this always get to me: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 It's hard to know which one needs to get into a new line of work. The writer, or the editor. Both! Not to mention our two amatuer lumberjacks. Who tried to "chop" down a tree with a chainsaw. Incredibly inept writing. Almost as bad as a novel I just finished. I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out why I read either one, the above story, and the novel. |
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On 31 Jul 2005 14:53:07 -0700, "Charlie Self"
wrote: Who tried to "chop" down a tree with a chainsaw. Incredibly inept writing. Almost as bad as a novel I just finished. I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out why I read either one, the above story, and the novel. Man, you just hit a real sore spot. I just finished "reading" a "novel" by some knucklehead, called "The Romanov something or other". I can't remember his name, and if I had remembered his name from when I "read", "The Amber Room", I would never have bought the stupid piece of crap in the first place. I have read so much bad pretend literature during the last six months that I'm about ready to stop buying new books and take advantage of my CRS, so that I can re-read Dickens, Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, and Zap Comix. If I have gotten so bored that I actually wonder when the next Dan Brown (decent plotter - really bad writer) comes out - it is time to rethink my book pile. I thought that the new James Lee Burke would save me, but I consumed it in a day, and it was a brief and angry fix. I'm pretty damned tired of reading doctors and lawyers who also write. Where the hell are the writers? I reckon that everyone with an ounce of talent and a lick of sense is writing screenplays. Damned shame. Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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Tom Watson wrote:
If I have gotten so bored that I actually wonder when the next Dan Brown (decent plotter - really bad writer) comes out - it is time to rethink my book pile. I thought that the new James Lee Burke would save me, but I consumed it in a day, and it was a brief and angry fix. So how was it? Waiting to finish the latest John Sandford -"prey" series book" before picking up a copy. I'm pretty damned tired of reading doctors and lawyers who also write. The name escapes me at the moment but there's one author out there who actually tells you, right in the post script to his books that if you're thinking about writing him with ideas for a book, corrections, etc. don't bother he doesn't read them and would ignore them if he did. This from a guy who repeatedly discusses "putting a clip in" the revolver and "flicking off the safety." His books were pretty good but... screw him Where the hell are the writers? Sitting in the sun on some Caribbean island enjoying their profits. |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:29:09 GMT, Unquestionably Confused
wrote: Tom Watson wrote: I thought that the new James Lee Burke would save me, but I consumed it in a day, and it was a brief and angry fix. So how was it? Waiting to finish the latest John Sandford -"prey" series book" before picking up a copy. It was cool, but it was Burke/Robicheaux, without Baptiste. I like B/R better than B/Texas Ranger Dude, but I really need a Baptiste fix. And Burke could use a jolt of S King's loquaciousness - the books is good - but too short. Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:31:42 -0500, Prometheus
wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:33:55 -0500, "AL" wrote: Events like this always get to me: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 That has got to be the worst article I've ever read... I don't know that I've ever seen "thread drift" in the middle of a short piece like that. Kind of trivialises the guys death when the last half of the article is about the real estate history of the house. Would've made more sense to me if they'd have finished up with a bit about chainsaw saftey, maybe a few words from the EMT/Firemen on the scene about how people can prevent these things. Who cares when they bought and sold the house, or whether or not there was a fire there many years ago? Also particularly liked the statement, "... neither of the two were associated with a professional tree removal service ..." My cynical self sees reporter implying, "... only licensed professionals should be allowed to own or use chain saws ... " Frankly, I'm not sure that putting words in by the EMT/Firemen with a "safety moment" would really have been all that much of an improvement because the only thing you would get in these litigious days would be a statement to the effect, "only professionals should attempt to remove trees" rather than something useful like, "while it is best that people use professionals for these operations, those undertaking such operations should do such and such to assure that the work they are doing is safe..." +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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On 31 Jul 2005 14:53:07 -0700, "Charlie Self" wrote:
.... snip Who tried to "chop" down a tree with a chainsaw. Incredibly inept writing. Almost as bad as a novel I just finished. I'm still scratching my head, trying to figure out why I read either one, the above story, and the novel. just to pick a nit with the nit you are picking, shouldn't that read, "I'm still scratchingmy head, trying to figure out why I read either one, the above story, OR the novel"? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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Tom Watson wrote:
It was cool, but it was Burke/Robicheaux, without Baptiste. Sounds like it's worth a shot even though it's a departure from the norm. I like B/R better than B/Texas Ranger Dude, but I really need a Baptiste fix. Never read the others. Looked at the novel's description and felt time spent with Fine Woodworking (just to keep this somewhat on topic) would be better spend.g And Burke could use a jolt of S King's loquaciousness - the books is good - but too short. Nah, not his style. Seems to tell you "just enough" to paint the scene but not bore you. |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:15:08 -0400, Tom Watson
wrote: Man, you just hit a real sore spot. I just finished "reading" a "novel" by some knucklehead, called "The Romanov something or other". I can't remember his name, and if I had remembered his name from when I "read", "The Amber Room", I would never have bought the stupid piece of crap in the first place. I have read so much bad pretend literature during the last six months that I'm about ready to stop buying new books and take advantage of my CRS, so that I can re-read Dickens, Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, and Zap Comix. I haven't bought a new book in years - instead I go to the library and check out a big stack of randomly selected stuff. I have finally reached the point where I can read the first chapter or so and just walk away from the book it it's too bad. Usually out of every dozen or so books I will find a couple that are at least worth reading to the end. If I have gotten so bored that I actually wonder when the next Dan Brown (decent plotter - really bad writer) comes out - it is time to rethink my book pile. I thought that the new James Lee Burke would save me, but I consumed it in a day, and it was a brief and angry fix. I'm pretty damned tired of reading doctors and lawyers who also write. Where the hell are the writers? Out flipping burgers. Junk sells, good writing doesn't. I reckon that everyone with an ounce of talent and a lick of sense is writing screenplays. Look at the recent crops of TV shows and movies and you can tell that isn't where they are either! Damned shame. Amen to that. -- "We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill" Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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Lee Michaels wrote:
It's hard to know which one needs to get into a new line of work. The writer, or the editor. Both! Not to mention our two amatuer lumberjacks. What would you suggest for the dead one? |
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On 31 Jul 2005 18:21:13 -0700, "Sam" wrote:
Lee Michaels wrote: It's hard to know which one needs to get into a new line of work. The writer, or the editor. Both! Not to mention our two amatuer lumberjacks. What would you suggest for the dead one? The writer? Or, the editor? Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website) |
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"Sam" wrote Lee Michaels wrote: It's hard to know which one needs to get into a new line of work. The writer, or the editor. Both! Not to mention our two amatuer lumberjacks. What would you suggest for the dead one? A pine box? |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message
I have read so much bad pretend literature during the last six months that I'm about ready to stop buying new books and take advantage of my CRS, so that I can re-read Dickens, Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, and Zap Comix. snip Where the hell are the writers? What took you so long? (Look no further than the 'oldies' music in today's commercials to know that the imagination necessary for creativie writing has basically been sucked ouf of the culture via visual stimulation of one sort or another.) From college to 1996 my reading-for-pleasure book budget was rarely less than $200/mo. For the past nine years I have read _nothing_ but 19th century English Literature ...from Austen, to the Bronte's, to Dickens, to Scott, Yonge, Trollope, Haggard, Gaskell, Elliot, Crane, Collins, Galsworthy, et al .... there is enough _excellent_ literature from that period to fuel a lifetime of pleasurable, intelligent, and *topical reading. (*nothing in human nature has changed, including the preponderance of ignorance). ..... and (OBWW) all that money can now be spent on tools and material. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 7/31/05 |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:15:08 -0400, Tom Watson
wrote: [snipped the sorry state of modern writing] When I worked for the government I constantly blanched at the output of the agency for which I worked. Generally, the manuals and directives were well done (made me wonder who was doing the copy checking), but internal memos and notices sometimes bordered on the absurd. And that does not take into account rampant verbification. If you want to read some writing far above almost anyone from the 20th Century (and I can't think who would be better) try Patrick O'Brian (his Aubrey-Maturin canon). If you have read it, read it again. In all fairness, the first ten were better than the last ten by a bit. -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 |
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In article , "AL"
wrote: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 "Tomasz Jandura and another man were, as a favor to a 47-year-old woman, using a chain saw to chop down a tree in her backyard... " I think if I were trying to chop down a tree with a chain saw I'd certainly wish I was dead. -- Owen Lowe The Fly-by-Night Copper Company __________ "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Corporate States of America and to the Republicans for which it stands, one nation, under debt, easily divisible, with liberty and justice for oil." - Wiley Miller, Non Sequitur, 1/24/05 |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:32:29 -0700, Fly-by-Night CC
wrote: In article , "AL" wrote: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 "Tomasz Jandura and another man were, as a favor to a 47-year-old woman, using a chain saw to chop down a tree in her backyard... " I think if I were trying to chop down a tree with a chain saw I'd certainly wish I was dead. That old joke with the punch line, "What's that noise, what's that noise?" +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:13:20 -0400, the opaque Tom Watson
clearly wrote: On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:33:55 -0500, "AL" wrote: Events like this always get to me: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 It's hard to know which one needs to get into a new line of work. The writer, or the editor. Yeah, the chainsawyer's line of work has already changed. -- Our ToolyRoo(tm) and Possum(tm) Handy Pouch Samples now available! Never misplace your portable power tool accessories again! http://diversify.com/handypouches.html |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:29:48 +0200, Juergen Hannappel
wrote: "AL" writes: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 Very strange story. They tell that this very tree fell over eight years ago, knoking holes into the houses roof, and now it falls down onto someone trying to fell it? Someone put it up again after it fell over for the first time? Not very credible. Note that all of those involved were/are of the Polish persuasion. - - DL http://www.geocities.com/dicklong14_ca/fanclub.htm "Are the Oompa Loompas the synchronized swimmers?" - Ruby Tuesday on alt.culture.us.70s :::::::::::::::: Halter Sucks! |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:15:08 -0400, Tom Watson
wrote: Man, you just hit a real sore spot. Snip I have read so much bad pretend literature during the last six months that I'm about ready to stop buying new books and take advantage of my CRS, so that I can re-read Dickens, Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, and Zap Comix. I can sypathize with that one. Not all that big on Dickens myself, but if you're into Fitzgerald and Steinbeck, you might want to (and probably already have, but everone misses things from time to time) check out Hesse, Camus, Maupassant and Dovtoyeski. All masters of character study in broader social contexts. Oddly enough, Phillip K. Dick is not too bad, either- provided you can look past the borderline insanity of his plotlines. There's plenty to read, it just takes a lot of head banging to winnow out the wheat from the chaff. Where the hell are the writers? Literature doesn't pay, and everyone is out to make a buck. You've got to remember that the publishing houses are playing to the lowest-common denominator just like everyone else. If they can sell a million copies of yet another Grisham novel about a lawyer who does something bad, why bother with printing twenty thousand copies of something that most twits won't understand, and is just going to end up on the bargin rack? Odds are there are a handful or two of fantastic wordsmiths' manuscripts moldering under the newest Harry Potter book. I reckon that everyone with an ounce of talent and a lick of sense is writing screenplays. Don't watch many movies, I take it? I'd hardly call most of that shlock "quality"... Though the special effects are pretty impressive these days. Damned shame. It is, but we do what we can, right? Ever get that feeling that you're one of those fellas in Farenheit 451 that have to memorize books and keep quiet about it to prevent the firemen from burning you? It gets tiring seeing blank faces all the time. |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:59:35 GMT, John B
wrote: Juergen Hannappel wrote: "AL" writes: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 Very strange story. They tell that this very tree fell over eight years ago, knoking holes into the houses roof, and now it falls down onto someone trying to fell it? Someone put it up again after it fell over for the first time? Not very credible. I thought the same thing when I first read the story. But given that a journalist wrote it (and we all know that they're not very bright) perhaps just a limb broke of earlier. I usually take what I read in News papers and hear reported on TV with a pinch of salt. As for the ability of journalists, as case in point was ... I swear this is true. Years back when the Shuttle first launched it's then new Canadian Arm an Info Babe from CNN or one of the big three was there to cover the flight by doing an interview of an engineer. It was immediately obvious that she had not a clue and her fellow reporters had told her a good question to ask was, "There is some fear the Shuttle won't be able to achieve orbit because the arm is to heavy, is that true?" The guy stiffled a laugh, barely. |
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LRod wrote: And that does not take into account rampant verbification. Is 'verbification' an example of 'nounification'? Isn't there a Latin word for both? If so, does thi snot absurdly imply that Latin terms are proper English? -- FF |
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Sniffer wrote: ... I swear this is true. Years back when the Shuttle first launched it's then new Canadian Arm an Info Babe from CNN or one of the big three was there to cover the flight by doing an interview of an engineer. It was immediately obvious that she had not a clue and her fellow reporters had told her a good question to ask was, "There is some fear the Shuttle won't be able to achieve orbit because the arm is to heavy, is that true?" The guy stiffled a laugh, barely. Back when NASA still provided a feed of the communications between ground control and the shuttle crew to the networks I was watching a launch with some taling head, might have been Dan Rather, and a Nasa guy providing commentary. Mercifully, they said very little so we could hear as the chuttle crew noted a high temperature on their #3 APU and after verifying tha tground control saw the same thing, received the OK to shut it down. At the time, this had been a chronic and well publicised problem. IMMEDIATLEY after ground control told the crew to go ahead and shut down the overheated unit the talking head guy remarked to the NASA guy, "Well, it sounds like everything is going OK." -- FF |
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Sniffer wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:59:35 GMT, John B wrote: Juergen Hannappel wrote: "AL" writes: http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=78766 Very strange story. They tell that this very tree fell over eight years ago, knoking holes into the houses roof, and now it falls down onto someone trying to fell it? Someone put it up again after it fell over for the first time? Not very credible. I thought the same thing when I first read the story. But given that a journalist wrote it (and we all know that they're not very bright) perhaps just a limb broke of earlier. I usually take what I read in News papers and hear reported on TV with a pinch of salt. As for the ability of journalists, as case in point was ... I swear this is true. Years back when the Shuttle first launched it's then new Canadian Arm an Info Babe from CNN or one of the big three was there to cover the flight by doing an interview of an engineer. It was immediately obvious that she had not a clue and her fellow reporters had told her a good question to ask was, "There is some fear the Shuttle won't be able to achieve orbit because the arm is to heavy, is that true?" The guy stiffled a laugh, barely. LOL Love it |
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On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 06:25:24 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: Gerunding. No, I think that Gerunds are those little animals that run in packs and jump off cliffs. |
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In article 1122989893.cc07b5b9d06176fd2bd1ad45740bdbbb@teran ews,
Tom Watson wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 06:25:24 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Gerunding. No, I think that Gerunds are those little animals that run in packs and jump off cliffs. Lemons, you mean, don't you? Like what St. Nick uses to pull his sleigh -- those eight little rind-deer. |
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In article . com,
wrote: LRod wrote: And that does not take into account rampant verbification. Is 'verbification' an example of 'nounification'? Isn't there a Latin word for both? If so, does thi snot absurdly imply that Latin terms are proper English? There is the part-of-speech called the 'gerund'. Created, in English, by taking a verb, adding the 'ing' suffix, and using it as a noun. AFAIK, going the other way is known as "to verbify", an appropriatly ugly term.. The real problem comes when those 're-colonize the inner city' types try to 'modify' that created abomination back into a noun form. This is frequently referred to, disparagingly, as "verb-on gerundification." *groan* |
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Tom Watson wrote:
No, I think that Gerunds are those little animals that run in packs and jump off cliffs. Nah, the BIG ones are Gerunds, the little ones are Gerundives. It's the students that jump off the cliffs. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.patinatools.org |
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