As far as preserving it goes, I use Titebond glue on the end grain of
boards and logs. I have never had a split.

SHOOTER1 wrote:
I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs & branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week prior to
my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--
Nic

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
American people's liberty teeth and
keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the
present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace,
security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. The
very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference -- they
deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington



--
Joseph Connors
The New Golden Rule:
Those with the gold, make the rules!

SHOOTER1 wrote:
I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs & branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week prior to
my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

Congratulations! BW is a gorgeous wood and turns very easily. Do you
have a Chainsaw and a Bandsaw? You can do this w/o the BS, but it's
much easier if you have one. First thing, and I mean today, get some
anchorseal, or other endgrain sealer from your local Woodcraft or other
local woodworking specialty store. Paint EVERY endgrain surface
immediately and get the wood out of the sun and elelments. Off the
ground and under a tarp at the very least. that buys you the time to
get Bill Gumbine's video from http://www.wonderfulwood.com/ which'll
show you haw to pricess the logs into bowls. As for the Areas where the
branches come out, that may be the prettiest wood you've got for bowls.
Crotchwood is where you get the flame. This is REALLY pretty when you
cut it the right direction and finish it properly. The down side is
that walnut is a nasty wood as are most pretty woods. WEAR a good mask
as well as eye protection. Last suggestion is look at my sig line,
follow the AAW link to the local chapters area and join both groups.
You'll find a bunch of people who love to help newbies learn to turn.
It'll save you from picking up bad habits and speed up you learning
curve in a big way. Get the video.

Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use: daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.patinatools.org

SHOOTER1 wrote:
I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs & branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week prior to
my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--
Nic

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
American people's liberty teeth and
keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the
present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace,
security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. The
very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference -- they
deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington


I use :
http://www.woodworkingshop.com/cgi-b...0WOOD%20SEALER

If the link is to long try this :
http://www.woodworkingshop.com/ Then in the search box put sealer.

This stuff works great - and is lower cost than glue. It was made for it.

Klingspor in N.C. is running a sale right now.

Martin

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If your butt log is 18" at the small end, and if the bark is about 1"
thick, then the log will probably yield about 110 bf gross. If you lose
footage to limbs and such (and it seems you will), your actual yield
will be considerably less. To calculate -- take a look at
http://www.woodweb.com/cgi-bin/calcu...tor=log_volume.
Doyle scale is the one usually used in the US, I think.

Also remember that by the time the planks are dry enough for a furniture
project, you will lose an additional 7% or so to shrinkage.

Bill

Dave in Fairfax wrote:
SHOOTER1 wrote:

I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs & branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week prior to
my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.


Congratulations! BW is a gorgeous wood and turns very easily. Do you
have a Chainsaw and a Bandsaw? You can do this w/o the BS, but it's
much easier if you have one. First thing, and I mean today, get some
anchorseal, or other endgrain sealer from your local Woodcraft or other
local woodworking specialty store. Paint EVERY endgrain surface
immediately and get the wood out of the sun and elelments. Off the
ground and under a tarp at the very least. that buys you the time to
get Bill Gumbine's video from http://www.wonderfulwood.com/ which'll
show you haw to pricess the logs into bowls. As for the Areas where the
branches come out, that may be the prettiest wood you've got for bowls.
Crotchwood is where you get the flame. This is REALLY pretty when you
cut it the right direction and finish it properly. The down side is
that walnut is a nasty wood as are most pretty woods. WEAR a good mask
as well as eye protection. Last suggestion is look at my sig line,
follow the AAW link to the local chapters area and join both groups.
You'll find a bunch of people who love to help newbies learn to turn.
It'll save you from picking up bad habits and speed up you learning
curve in a big way. Get the video.

Dave in Fairfax

A small fortune? Maybe. The log will undoubtedly yield some decent lumber
if sawed and seasoned properly. Or several bowl blanks, if you are a
turner. The smaller limbs are less useful. The larger limbs are probably
usable, but a limb that is 2" in diameter has very little worth. The very
center of the logs and limbs, the pith, should be avoided because of it's
propensity to warp. You have to consider the lighter sapwood, too. While
turners might incorporate sapwood into a bowl, furniture makers probably
would cut it out as waste. So, you don't have a "small fortune", but you
have scored some decent wood for turning or a few smaller projects.

Barry

"SHOOTER1" wrote in message
...
I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs & branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week prior
to
my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--
Nic

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are
the
American people's liberty teeth and
keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the
present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure
peace,
security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable.
The
very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference -- they
deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington

Barry:

To go a bit further into the issue...

Commercially, walnut is almost always steamed as a part of the kiln
drying operation. The steam causes the pigment to migrate into the
sapwood so that the sapwood can and is sold along with the heartwood.
If one is home-drying though, it is not practical to do this so you
either lose the sapwood or try to stain it.

Also, when commercial operations harvest walnut, they are looking for
clear butt logs -- no branches to kill yield.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:
A small fortune? Maybe. The log will undoubtedly yield some decent lumber
if sawed and seasoned properly. Or several bowl blanks, if you are a
turner. The smaller limbs are less useful. The larger limbs are probably
usable, but a limb that is 2" in diameter has very little worth. The very
center of the logs and limbs, the pith, should be avoided because of it's
propensity to warp. You have to consider the lighter sapwood, too. While
turners might incorporate sapwood into a bowl, furniture makers probably
would cut it out as waste. So, you don't have a "small fortune", but you
have scored some decent wood for turning or a few smaller projects.

Barry

"SHOOTER1" wrote in message
...

I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs & branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week prior

to

my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--

Dave wrote: "As for the Areas where the
branches come out, that may be the prettiest wood you've got for
bowls.
Crotchwood is where you get the flame. This is REALLY pretty when you
cut it the right direction and finish it properly. The down side is
that walnut is a nasty wood as are most pretty woods. WEAR a good
mask
as well as eye protection."


Dave, you're right about the crotchwood having the prettiest grain.
Here's a black walnut, 19 1/2" platter I turned from that wood. (sure
hope this link works!)
http://geocities.com/mnlniles/ebay/walnutplatter.jpg It came out so
beautiful, I think it's a keeper until I turn something better.

Nic, Dave is also right about the down side, many people develop an
alergy to walnut and the dust is the culprit. Luckily I've never had
a reaction and I've been turning black walnut for 15 years, albeit not
a lot of it. As to your having a "fortune", yes, IF you had a lot more
and was going to board it for re-sale (ala lumber yard quantity). I
believe a lot of turners have found there are only a few items you can
turn that will sell (if you sell your work). In the past few years
I'll only take crotchwood because, of the 4 galleries/shops that sell
my work none do very well with it. For some reason people like
light-color wood for bowls and platters, perhaps something to do with
food and dark wood? I have a few pictures on my website turnings pages
that are black walnut.

Happy Turning,
Ruth
www.torne-lignum.com

That's true. I am aware of the steaming process. I've heard that the
steaming degrades the beauty of the wood somewhat though, in comparison to
air-dried. Don't know if it's true or not.

Not many woods are as beautiful as Black Walnut if it is finished properly.
I'm finishing up a small (7 1/2") Black Walnut bowl this weekend. It takes
some effort to bring out that wonderful grain though.

Wish I had more of the stuff. I have some Black Walnut flat lumber that has
been air-drying for about 30 years, but it's not thick enough for turning
stock or bowl blanks.

Barry


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...
Barry:

To go a bit further into the issue...

Commercially, walnut is almost always steamed as a part of the kiln
drying operation. The steam causes the pigment to migrate into the
sapwood so that the sapwood can and is sold along with the heartwood.
If one is home-drying though, it is not practical to do this so you
either lose the sapwood or try to stain it.

Also, when commercial operations harvest walnut, they are looking for
clear butt logs -- no branches to kill yield.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:
A small fortune? Maybe. The log will undoubtedly yield some decent
lumber
if sawed and seasoned properly. Or several bowl blanks, if you are a
turner. The smaller limbs are less useful. The larger limbs are
probably
usable, but a limb that is 2" in diameter has very little worth. The
very
center of the logs and limbs, the pith, should be avoided because of
it's
propensity to warp. You have to consider the lighter sapwood, too.
While
turners might incorporate sapwood into a bowl, furniture makers probably
would cut it out as waste. So, you don't have a "small fortune", but
you
have scored some decent wood for turning or a few smaller projects.

Barry

"SHOOTER1" wrote in message
...

I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be
the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs &
branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and
have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week
prior

to

my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--

Beautiful piece. Nice wood.

Barry


wrote in message
oups.com...

Dave wrote: "As for the Areas where the
branches come out, that may be the prettiest wood you've got for
bowls.
Crotchwood is where you get the flame. This is REALLY pretty when you
cut it the right direction and finish it properly. The down side is
that walnut is a nasty wood as are most pretty woods. WEAR a good
mask
as well as eye protection."


Dave, you're right about the crotchwood having the prettiest grain.
Here's a black walnut, 19 1/2" platter I turned from that wood. (sure
hope this link works!)
http://geocities.com/mnlniles/ebay/walnutplatter.jpg It came out so
beautiful, I think it's a keeper until I turn something better.

Nic, Dave is also right about the down side, many people develop an
alergy to walnut and the dust is the culprit. Luckily I've never had
a reaction and I've been turning black walnut for 15 years, albeit not
a lot of it. As to your having a "fortune", yes, IF you had a lot more
and was going to board it for re-sale (ala lumber yard quantity). I
believe a lot of turners have found there are only a few items you can
turn that will sell (if you sell your work). In the past few years
I'll only take crotchwood because, of the 4 galleries/shops that sell
my work none do very well with it. For some reason people like
light-color wood for bowls and platters, perhaps something to do with
food and dark wood? I have a few pictures on my website turnings pages
that are black walnut.

Happy Turning,
Ruth
www.torne-lignum.com

Barry N. Turner wrote:
Beautiful piece. Nice wood.


Thanks, Barry for the compliment on my walnut platter. By the way,
you mentioned having dry lumber but didn't think it was thick enough to
turn anything. The piece I turned that platter from was 1" thick to
start. I got it from Barbara Gill, she has a sawmill in VA and a
number of turners buy from her.

Ruth
www.torne-lignum.com

"Barry N. Turner" wrote in message
.. .
That's true. I am aware of the steaming process. I've heard that the
steaming degrades the beauty of the wood somewhat though, in comparison to
air-dried. Don't know if it's true or not.

It's true. Once you see it, you'll never forget it. The reds and purples
are dull brown.

Sapwood remains soft and ugly, though brown.

Barry:

And maybe one last comment from me...

I don't much like turning walnut because of the smell -- especially when
green. It has to be a pretty special piece before I am willing to deal
with it.

Also, here in Missouri there is one of those businesses which churns out
thousands of bad walnut bowls and advertises on billboards along the
highway. They pretty much have spoiled the wood for me.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:
That's true. I am aware of the steaming process. I've heard that the
steaming degrades the beauty of the wood somewhat though, in comparison to
air-dried. Don't know if it's true or not.

Not many woods are as beautiful as Black Walnut if it is finished properly.
I'm finishing up a small (7 1/2") Black Walnut bowl this weekend. It takes
some effort to bring out that wonderful grain though.

Wish I had more of the stuff. I have some Black Walnut flat lumber that has
been air-drying for about 30 years, but it's not thick enough for turning
stock or bowl blanks.

Barry


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...

Barry:

To go a bit further into the issue...

Commercially, walnut is almost always steamed as a part of the kiln
drying operation. The steam causes the pigment to migrate into the
sapwood so that the sapwood can and is sold along with the heartwood.
If one is home-drying though, it is not practical to do this so you
either lose the sapwood or try to stain it.

Also, when commercial operations harvest walnut, they are looking for
clear butt logs -- no branches to kill yield.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:

A small fortune? Maybe. The log will undoubtedly yield some decent

lumber

if sawed and seasoned properly. Or several bowl blanks, if you are a
turner. The smaller limbs are less useful. The larger limbs are

probably

usable, but a limb that is 2" in diameter has very little worth. The

very

center of the logs and limbs, the pith, should be avoided because of

it's

propensity to warp. You have to consider the lighter sapwood, too.

While

turners might incorporate sapwood into a bowl, furniture makers probably
would cut it out as waste. So, you don't have a "small fortune", but

you

have scored some decent wood for turning or a few smaller projects.

Barry

"SHOOTER1" wrote in message
...


I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be

the

best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs &

branches),

however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and

have

diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week

prior

to


my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--

wrote:
Thanks, Barry for the compliment on my walnut platter. By the way,
you mentioned having dry lumber but didn't think it was thick enough to
turn anything. The piece I turned that platter from was 1" thick to
start. I got it from Barbara Gill, she has a sawmill in VA and a
number of turners buy from her.

I agree, great figure on the platter. I've been getting mine from a
different sawmill out in Leesburg. I see 3 Barbara gills in VA, what
city is she in?

Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use: daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.patinatools.org

SHOOTER1 wrote:
I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs & branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week prior to
my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--
Nic

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
American people's liberty teeth and
keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the
present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace,
security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. The
very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference -- they
deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington


Nice wood. Loosing one is almost a crime. Just remember, If you give shavings
to your friends for horses... - Walnut will de-hoof the horse by dissolving it.


I've heard it for years in Walnut and horse country. I highly suspect it is true.

Martin

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"lionslair at consolidated dot net" "lionslair at consolidated dot net"
wrote in message ...
SHOOTER1 wrote:
I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be
the
best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs &
branches),
however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and
have
diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week
prior to
my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--
Nic

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are
the
American people's liberty teeth and
keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the
present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure
peace,
security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable.
The
very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference --
they
deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington


Nice wood. Loosing one is almost a crime. Just remember, If you give
shavings
to your friends for horses... - Walnut will de-hoof the horse by
dissolving it.


I've heard it for years in Walnut and horse country. I highly suspect it
is true.

Martin

Martin and group: DO NOT USE WALNUT SHAVINGS for bedding for cloven hoofed
animals. Horses in particular are very susceptible.

I had a guy who came and picked up my shavings to use for bedding. One day
he showed up and wanted me to pay for his horse (who had to be put
down!)...$2800! I learned then about walnut & horses. Didn't pay for the
horse, as he came to me for the shavings. But he never spoke to me again.

Best regards, James Johnson

Hmmmmmmmm...........maybe I will have to re-think that. My Black Walnut
flat lumber is 4/4, but not very wide. I have some boards that are perhaps
8" or 9" inches, but not nearly wide enough for a platter. Maybe a bread &
butter plate?

Barry


wrote in message
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Barry N. Turner wrote:
Beautiful piece. Nice wood.


Thanks, Barry for the compliment on my walnut platter. By the way,
you mentioned having dry lumber but didn't think it was thick enough to
turn anything. The piece I turned that platter from was 1" thick to
start. I got it from Barbara Gill, she has a sawmill in VA and a
number of turners buy from her.

Ruth
www.torne-lignum.com

Dave in Fairfax wrote:

I agree, great figure on the platter. I've been getting mine from a
different sawmill out in Leesburg. I see 3 Barbara gills in VA, what
city is she in?

Dave,

Barbara is in Urbanna, VA. I think her website is www.velvitoil.com
but if that doesn't work, she's on my website links page. I also got
a sample of that Velvit Oil and it's just about the smoothest feeling
finish, it really does feel like velvet. Just thought I'd throw that
in!

Ruth
www.torne-lignum.com

wrote:
Barbara is in Urbanna, VA. I think her website is www.velvitoil.com
but if that doesn't work, she's on my website links page. I also got
a sample of that Velvit Oil and it's just about the smoothest feeling
finish, it really does feel like velvet. Just thought I'd throw that
in!

Thanks, that was one of the three. I'll go take a look at her website.
Is the Velvetoil a tung oil like finish or a shellac like finish? I
suspect the former from your description. Thanks for the info, I'm
always looking for a nifty finish.

Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use: daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
PATINA
http://www.patinatools.org

Thanks, that was one of the three. I'll go take a look at her website.
Is the Velvetoil a tung oil like finish or a shellac like finish? I
suspect the former from your description. Thanks for the info, I'm
always looking for a nifty finish.

Dave in Fairfax


Dave, it's more a tung oil finish, but it's a lot easier because it
doesn't seem to get sticky if you don't wipe it off within a certain
time. Barbara did all the floors in her house and walking on the
barefoot was like walking on silk. It can be buffed to a sheen but
not a shine, which I only do if someone really, really wants it. The
velvit oil seems to give the wood that feel of a well-worn, 100-yr. old
chair arm.....well, not exactly but close enough. And it's water
resistant.

Ruth
www.torne-lignum.com

wrote:
Dave, it's more a tung oil finish, but it's a lot easier because it
doesn't seem to get sticky if you don't wipe it off within a certain
time. Barbara did all the floors in her house and walking on the
barefoot was like walking on silk. It can be buffed to a sheen but
not a shine, which I only do if someone really, really wants it. The
velvit oil seems to give the wood that feel of a well-worn, 100-yr. old
chair arm.....well, not exactly but close enough. And it's water
resistant.

Thanks, I read through the website, sounds like a couple of decent
people. I think I'll start with a pint and see how I like it. The
shipping about doubles the price, if gas wasn't so expensive I'd just
drive down and pick some up.

Good to have you back,
Dave in Fairfax
--
reply-to doesn't work
use: daveldr at att dot net
American Association of Woodturners
http://www.woodturner.org
Capital Area Woodturners
http://www.capwoodturners.org/
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Remember, if you have flat black walnut, you can always use it for
accents in ring glued bowls, or you can use it for staves in a stave
glue-up. The air dried walnut is always blacker than commercially
available. (at least in my experience) But I don't keep spring wood-- I
use it in the smoker. Phil

Yeah........we have billboards about those Walnut Bowls down in Tennessee.

The stuff (walnut) does stink, even dry. Walnut dust has a peculiar
stifling quality about it.......and a very bitter taste, A dust mask only
helps so much. I some problems with this particular piece wanting to tear
out on the inside of the bowl. I still think its nice wood, though. But, I
don't turn very much of it.........maybe there's a subconscious reason.

Barry

"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..
Barry:

And maybe one last comment from me...

I don't much like turning walnut because of the smell -- especially when
green. It has to be a pretty special piece before I am willing to deal
with it.

Also, here in Missouri there is one of those businesses which churns out
thousands of bad walnut bowls and advertises on billboards along the
highway. They pretty much have spoiled the wood for me.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:
That's true. I am aware of the steaming process. I've heard that the
steaming degrades the beauty of the wood somewhat though, in comparison
to
air-dried. Don't know if it's true or not.

Not many woods are as beautiful as Black Walnut if it is finished
properly.
I'm finishing up a small (7 1/2") Black Walnut bowl this weekend. It
takes
some effort to bring out that wonderful grain though.

Wish I had more of the stuff. I have some Black Walnut flat lumber that
has
been air-drying for about 30 years, but it's not thick enough for
turning
stock or bowl blanks.

Barry


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...

Barry:

To go a bit further into the issue...

Commercially, walnut is almost always steamed as a part of the kiln
drying operation. The steam causes the pigment to migrate into the
sapwood so that the sapwood can and is sold along with the heartwood.
If one is home-drying though, it is not practical to do this so you
either lose the sapwood or try to stain it.

Also, when commercial operations harvest walnut, they are looking for
clear butt logs -- no branches to kill yield.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:

A small fortune? Maybe. The log will undoubtedly yield some decent

lumber

if sawed and seasoned properly. Or several bowl blanks, if you are a
turner. The smaller limbs are less useful. The larger limbs are

probably

usable, but a limb that is 2" in diameter has very little worth. The

very

center of the logs and limbs, the pith, should be avoided because of

it's

propensity to warp. You have to consider the lighter sapwood, too.

While

turners might incorporate sapwood into a bowl, furniture makers
probably
would cut it out as waste. So, you don't have a "small fortune", but

you

have scored some decent wood for turning or a few smaller projects.

Barry

"SHOOTER1" wrote in message
...


I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would be

the

best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs &

branches),

however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and

have

diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week

prior

to


my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

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"Barry N. Turner" wrote in message
. ..
Walnut dust has a peculiar
stifling quality about it.......and a very bitter taste, A dust mask only
helps so much.

Which is logical, smell and its cousin taste being chemical senses. You'd
need a mask to filter organics to keep that at bay.

"Barry N. Turner" wrote:
Yeah........we have billboards about those Walnut Bowls down in Tennessee.
The stuff (walnut) does stink, even dry. Walnut dust has a peculiar
stifling quality about it.......and a very bitter taste, A dust mask only
helps so much. I some problems with this particular piece wanting to tear
out on the inside of the bowl. I still think its nice wood, though. But, I don't turn very much of it.........maybe there's a subconscious reason.

I *could* be subconscious. %-) I haven't noticed any smell after it's
finishes and the smell while turning it doesn't bother me at all.
'Course, being a nurse, I may be slightly less distressed by smells than
some. ;-)

Dave in Fairfax
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The town, if I remember in Mo. is Lebanon. Drove past it a couple weeks
ago. I was thiking about stopping in and seeing if I could buy a few pieces
of the wood. Anyone know if they sell?


"Barry N. Turner" wrote in message
. ..
Yeah........we have billboards about those Walnut Bowls down in Tennessee.

The stuff (walnut) does stink, even dry. Walnut dust has a peculiar
stifling quality about it.......and a very bitter taste, A dust mask only
helps so much. I some problems with this particular piece wanting to tear
out on the inside of the bowl. I still think its nice wood, though. But,
I
don't turn very much of it.........maybe there's a subconscious reason.

Barry

"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..
Barry:

And maybe one last comment from me...

I don't much like turning walnut because of the smell -- especially when
green. It has to be a pretty special piece before I am willing to deal
with it.

Also, here in Missouri there is one of those businesses which churns out
thousands of bad walnut bowls and advertises on billboards along the
highway. They pretty much have spoiled the wood for me.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:
That's true. I am aware of the steaming process. I've heard that the
steaming degrades the beauty of the wood somewhat though, in
comparison
to
air-dried. Don't know if it's true or not.

Not many woods are as beautiful as Black Walnut if it is finished
properly.
I'm finishing up a small (7 1/2") Black Walnut bowl this weekend. It
takes
some effort to bring out that wonderful grain though.

Wish I had more of the stuff. I have some Black Walnut flat lumber
that
has
been air-drying for about 30 years, but it's not thick enough for
turning
stock or bowl blanks.

Barry


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...

Barry:

To go a bit further into the issue...

Commercially, walnut is almost always steamed as a part of the kiln
drying operation. The steam causes the pigment to migrate into the
sapwood so that the sapwood can and is sold along with the heartwood.
If one is home-drying though, it is not practical to do this so you
either lose the sapwood or try to stain it.

Also, when commercial operations harvest walnut, they are looking for
clear butt logs -- no branches to kill yield.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:

A small fortune? Maybe. The log will undoubtedly yield some decent

lumber

if sawed and seasoned properly. Or several bowl blanks, if you are a
turner. The smaller limbs are less useful. The larger limbs are

probably

usable, but a limb that is 2" in diameter has very little worth. The

very

center of the logs and limbs, the pith, should be avoided because of

it's

propensity to warp. You have to consider the lighter sapwood, too.

While

turners might incorporate sapwood into a bowl, furniture makers
probably
would cut it out as waste. So, you don't have a "small fortune", but

you

have scored some decent wood for turning or a few smaller projects.

Barry

"SHOOTER1" wrote in message
...


I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I
am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the
limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would
be

the

best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs &

branches),

however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18" and

have

diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a
small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am
more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a week

prior

to


my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

--

The billboards I have seen are coming back from Gatlinburg towards
Nashville. I believe the billboard may be near Lebanon, TN (talk about your
coincidences). The bowls of this type I have seen are laminated from
smaller pieces of wood and very mass produced and much the same shape.

Barry


"Kevin" wrote in message
...
The town, if I remember in Mo. is Lebanon. Drove past it a couple weeks
ago. I was thiking about stopping in and seeing if I could buy a few
pieces
of the wood. Anyone know if they sell?


"Barry N. Turner" wrote in message
. ..
Yeah........we have billboards about those Walnut Bowls down in
Tennessee.

The stuff (walnut) does stink, even dry. Walnut dust has a peculiar
stifling quality about it.......and a very bitter taste, A dust mask
only
helps so much. I some problems with this particular piece wanting to
tear
out on the inside of the bowl. I still think its nice wood, though.
But,
I
don't turn very much of it.........maybe there's a subconscious reason.

Barry

"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..
Barry:

And maybe one last comment from me...

I don't much like turning walnut because of the smell -- especially
when
green. It has to be a pretty special piece before I am willing to
deal
with it.

Also, here in Missouri there is one of those businesses which churns
out
thousands of bad walnut bowls and advertises on billboards along the
highway. They pretty much have spoiled the wood for me.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:
That's true. I am aware of the steaming process. I've heard that
the
steaming degrades the beauty of the wood somewhat though, in
comparison
to
air-dried. Don't know if it's true or not.

Not many woods are as beautiful as Black Walnut if it is finished
properly.
I'm finishing up a small (7 1/2") Black Walnut bowl this weekend.
It
takes
some effort to bring out that wonderful grain though.

Wish I had more of the stuff. I have some Black Walnut flat lumber
that
has
been air-drying for about 30 years, but it's not thick enough for
turning
stock or bowl blanks.

Barry


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...

Barry:

To go a bit further into the issue...

Commercially, walnut is almost always steamed as a part of the kiln
drying operation. The steam causes the pigment to migrate into the
sapwood so that the sapwood can and is sold along with the
heartwood.
If one is home-drying though, it is not practical to do this so you
either lose the sapwood or try to stain it.

Also, when commercial operations harvest walnut, they are looking
for
clear butt logs -- no branches to kill yield.

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:

A small fortune? Maybe. The log will undoubtedly yield some
decent

lumber

if sawed and seasoned properly. Or several bowl blanks, if you are
a
turner. The smaller limbs are less useful. The larger limbs are

probably

usable, but a limb that is 2" in diameter has very little worth.
The

very

center of the logs and limbs, the pith, should be avoided because
of

it's

propensity to warp. You have to consider the lighter sapwood, too.

While

turners might incorporate sapwood into a bowl, furniture makers
probably
would cut it out as waste. So, you don't have a "small fortune",
but

you

have scored some decent wood for turning or a few smaller projects.

Barry

"SHOOTER1" wrote in message
...


I just received a black walnut tree trunk that is 18"D x 12' L. I
am
planning to have it cut into plank except for the areas that the
limbs
branched from. Because of the grain patterns I "think" this would
be

the

best way to go. I also received the rest of the tree (limbs &

branches),

however these were cut into varied lengths from about 12" to 18"
and

have

diameters from about 2" to 10". I have been told that I have a
small
fortune in wood here. I really am not concerned about that, I am
more
worried about how to preserve it. The tree was downed about a
week

prior

to


my getting it.
I am new to turning and would appreciate any suggestions.

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