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What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices (on a
decorative Persian tray)? I've heard suggestions from lemon juice and vinegar to WD-40. Thanks, Daniele |
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What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices I'd start with the same solvents that Brasso contains (white spirits and ammonia) |
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On 04/04/2020 12:25, Andy Burns wrote:
D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices I'd start with the same solvents that Brasso contains (white spirits and ammonia) pressure washer -- €œIt is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a power-directed system of thought.€ Sir Roger Scruton |
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On 04/04/2020 12:25, Andy Burns wrote:
D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices I'd start with the same solvents that Brasso contains (white spirits and ammonia) and a tooth brush. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 04/04/20 12:11, D.M. Procida wrote:
What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices (on a decorative Persian tray)? I've heard suggestions from lemon juice and vinegar to WD-40. Well, I've no idea if this would work, but if the tray is brass alone, and not too big, put it in an oven at the highest setting for 10 minutes. That should expand the tray, though only very slightly, but enough to loosen the Brasso deposit from at least one side of the grooves. Then take the tray out and while still hot tap it upside-down on the worksurface and see if anything comes out of the grooves. If it does, repeat.You could then try brushing the hot tray with a hard brush made of natural bristles to see if that helps -- Jeff |
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On 04/04/2020 12:37, alan_m wrote:
On 04/04/2020 12:25, Andy Burns wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices I'd start with the same solvents that Brasso contains (white spirits and ammonia) and a tooth brush. My late father was a dab hand at this sort of thing. Certainly a tooth brush, I'd be inclined just to use water with perhaps a few drops of washing up liquid. I think the purpose of ammonia and white spirit in Brasso would be to attack fatty or greasy material. You might try letting it soak. I suspect the "abrasive" might be (or include) jeweller's rouge which is an iron oxide, and perhaps chalk. So acids may have some effect, but you really do not want to be attacking the metal. If it is really hard to shift by hand you can get fibre brushes that fit in a Dremel. Don't use wire brushes though! |
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newshound wrote:
I suspect the "abrasive" might be (or include) jeweller's rouge which is an iron oxide, and perhaps chalk. wiki says silica (or kaolin in australia) |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. Maybe for the person whose life contains nothing less unformed or delicate than slabs of concrete a pressure washer might seem like an appropriate answer to questions about cleaning things. Go back under your stone where you can dwell on your favourite conspiracy theory/climate change denial/anti-vaccination obsessions; at least when you post about those it's obvious that one is reading the delusions of a ranter, rather than something that risks being mistaken for actual advice. "It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a power-directed system of thought." Pfft. Or if it will help keep you out of trouble, find some Scruton to read; as the unthinking person's philosopher, he's probably at about your level, the "use a pressure washer" class of critical thinking. Daniele |
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On Saturday, 4 April 2020 12:11:27 UTC+1, D.M. Procida wrote:
What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices (on a decorative Persian tray)? ultrasonic cleaning machine? Owain |
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On Saturday, 4 April 2020 12:11:27 UTC+1, D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices (on a decorative Persian tray)? ultrasonic cleaning machine? Owain That was my thoughts but I thought €˜tray and decided it was probably going to be too big. Ive got a ultrasonic cleaner which I use now and then but the €˜pot is only about the size of a large saucepan. I think a (very) long soak in soapy water would be a good start, then a firm, fine, brush, and repeat. |
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On 04/04/2020 13:41, D.M. Procida wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. No. it is made completely seriously, because it works. A pressure washer can, depending on the distance and the quality, push any kind of dried up gunk out of any kind of crevice: the limiting factor is the ratio of the hardness of the substrate to the hardness of the deposit you are trying to shift. In the case of uncoated metal - a brass object - this is very high. Maybe for the person whose life contains nothing less unformed or delicate than slabs of concrete a pressure washer might seem like an appropriate answer to questions about cleaning things. Have you never cleaned your car with one? Go back under your stone where you can dwell on your favourite conspiracy theory/climate change denial/anti-vaccination obsessions; at least when you post about those it's obvious that one is reading the delusions of a ranter, rather than something that risks being mistaken for actual advice. I am not a climate denier or an anti vaccinator. I follow the scientific data which show clearly that vaccination works and CO2 has minimal effect on global temperature. "It is not the truth of Marxism that explains the willingness of intellectuals to believe it, but the power that it confers on intellectuals, in their attempts to control the world. And since...it is futile to reason someone out of a thing that he was not reasoned into, we can conclude that Marxism owes its remarkable power to survive every criticism to the fact that it is not a truth-directed but a power-directed system of thought." Pfft. Or if it will help keep you out of trouble, find some Scruton to read; as the unthinking person's philosopher, he's probably at about your level, the "use a pressure washer" class of critical thinking. On the contrary, Roger Scruton clearly demonstrated that it is in fact the 'philosophy' of the left which is intellectually bankrupt posturing by pseudo intellectuals out to impress with mind numbing gobbledegook. I see by your gammonised reactionary ad hominems that you are in denial about all these issues. -- "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them" Margaret Thatcher |
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On 04/04/2020 14:34, Brian Reay wrote:
wrote: On Saturday, 4 April 2020 12:11:27 UTC+1, D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices (on a decorative Persian tray)? ultrasonic cleaning machine? Owain That was my thoughts but I thought €˜tray and decided it was probably going to be too big. Ive got a ultrasonic cleaner which I use now and then but the €˜pot is only about the size of a large saucepan. I think a (very) long soak in soapy water would be a good start, then a firm, fine, brush, and repeat. Or a pressure washer. It's the same physics as ultrasonics. Or a brush. Just less problematic -- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain |
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On 04/04/2020 13:45, Jimk wrote:
(It's a long running uk.d-i-y joke... perhaps if you read a bit more than just the free answers to your own queries, you would understand. Oh & do calm down...) are you missing a dear? -- Adam |
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On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:41:51 +0100, (D.M. Procida) wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. And my suggestion is the dishwasher. -- Adam |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:41:51 +0100, (D.M. Procida) wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. And my suggestion is the dishwasher. Yeah, me too, works very well for me with stuff like that, No good for aluminium because the very alkaline detergent ****s that big time but brass is fine. |
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ARW Wrote in message:
On 04/04/2020 13:45, Jimk wrote: (It's a long running uk.d-i-y joke... perhaps if you read a bit more than just the free answers to your own queries, you would understand. Oh & do calm down...) are you missing a dear? Have you found one? -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:41:51 +0100, (D.M. Procida) wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. Whoremoans? |
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Lonely Auto-contradicting Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert! LOL
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 16:50:40 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: Yeah, me too, works very well for me with stuff like that, It might not work in his case, senile idiot! -- Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
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In message , Chris Hogg
writes On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:41:51 +0100, (D.M. Procida) wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. AOL I have always thought that water impacting a solid at high velocity must be similar to an ultrasonic bath without the cost. -- Tim Lamb |
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On 05/04/2020 07:37, ARW wrote:
On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:41:51 +0100, (D.M. Procida) wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. And my suggestion is the dishwasher. A perfectly good suggestion if the item fits and will not be damaged by prolonged soaking -- Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat. |
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On 05/04/2020 08:31, Jimk wrote:
ARW Wrote in message: On 04/04/2020 13:45, Jimk wrote: (It's a long running uk.d-i-y joke... perhaps if you read a bit more than just the free answers to your own queries, you would understand. Oh & do calm down...) are you missing a dear? Have you found one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWKBSYqtu7M -- Adam |
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On 05/04/2020 08:52, Richard wrote:
On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:41:51 +0100, (D.M. Procida) wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. Whoremoans? PMT? -- Adam |
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On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote:
So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. |
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On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote:
On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. She. -- Adam |
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ARW Wrote in message:
On 05/04/2020 08:52, Richard wrote: On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 13:41:51 +0100, (D.M. Procida) wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: D.M. Procida wrote: What will loosen decades-old dried brass polish in fine crevices pressure washer Just in case someone stumbles upon the answer above and might be tempted to take it seriously: it's completely stupid, and I presume made as some kind of unfunny joke, if not actually maliciously. So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. Whoremoans? PMT? With an enormous capital P.... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote:
On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. Or even a miniature dental pressure washer (e.g. a Waterpick)? -- Mouse. Where Morse meets House. |
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On 05/04/2020 13:01, ARW wrote:
On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. She. He, actually. It's an Italian male name. This is him, the one in a smart suit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4X2ZgZvsk |
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On 05/04/2020 13:11, GB wrote:
On 05/04/2020 13:01, ARW wrote: On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. She. He, actually. It's an Italian male name. This is him, the one in a smart suit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4X2ZgZvsk Does a good impression of a woman considering the blob strop reply to TNP. -- Adam |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. She. She's had a sex change then ? He was a bald headed chap, at least until a short time ago michael adams .... |
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"michael adams" Wrote in message:
"ARW" wrote in message ... On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. She. She's had a sex change then ? He was a bald headed chap, at least until a short time ago michael adams ... Late to the party as usual.... -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 05/04/2020 14:31, ARW wrote:
On 05/04/2020 13:11, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 13:01, ARW wrote: On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. She. He, actually. It's an Italian male name. This is him, the one in a smart suit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4X2ZgZvsk Does a good impression of a woman considering the blob strop reply to TNP. He's a Europhiliac Climate Change Believer with a third rate brain in academia. Naturally I get up his nose further than a corona virus. -- €œIt is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.€ Thomas Sowell |
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On 05/04/2020 16:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/04/2020 14:31, ARW wrote: On 05/04/2020 13:11, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 13:01, ARW wrote: On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. She. He, actually. It's an Italian male name. This is him, the one in a smart suit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4X2ZgZvsk Does a good impression of a woman considering the blob strop reply to TNP. He's a Europhiliac Climate Change Believer with a third rate brain in academia. Naturally I get up his nose further than a corona virus. We call it Conor virus but only because we have a 1st year apprentice called Conor that no one wants to work with. -- Adam |
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We call it Conor virus but only because we have a 1st year apprentice called Conor that no one wants to work with. But is his mum fit? Owain |
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On 05/04/2020 16:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 05/04/2020 14:31, ARW wrote: On 05/04/2020 13:11, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 13:01, ARW wrote: On 05/04/2020 12:55, GB wrote: On 05/04/2020 07:18, Chris Hogg wrote: So what is wrong with using a pressure washer? It's brass, so unless it's something particularly delicate, it won't be damaged. A pressure washer would do quite well. Explain your intemperate outburst. If it's fully supported, a pressure washer might be okay. If it's not supported, a pressure washer could turn a tray into a bowl. I suspect that, although Daniele did not say this, it's an antique of some sort. Even if not, it may represent many hours of craftsmanship, and he wants to find a gentle yet effective method that will ease the old polish out of the decoration. She. He, actually. It's an Italian male name. This is him, the one in a smart suit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4X2ZgZvsk Does a good impression of a woman considering the blob strop reply to TNP. He's a Europhiliac Climate Change Believer with a third rate brain in academia. Naturally I get up his nose further than a corona virus. We call it Conor virus but only because we have a 1st year apprentice called Conor that no one wants to work with. :-D -- Jimk ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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How to lift dried brass polish out of crevices
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How to lift dried brass polish out of crevices
On 06/04/2020 10:38, #Paul wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: I am not a climate denier or an anti vaccinator. I follow the scientific data which show clearly that vaccination works and CO2 has minimal effect on global temperature. Well, there's a hilarious combination. Only to a complete idiot Who knows nothing about science. -- When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it. Frédéric Bastiat |
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