I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Ignoramus25173 wrote:

I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

One thing I've done on occasion is to take a torch and burn the paint in
a crevice, then scrape it off. It might be easier to just feather the
edges and paint over it.

Grant

On 2008-03-02, Grant Erwin wrote:
Ignoramus25173 wrote:

I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

One thing I've done on occasion is to take a torch and burn the paint in
a crevice, then scrape it off. It might be easier to just feather the
edges and paint over it.


Would that work on heavy cast pieces? Would the heat not be absorbed?

i

"Ignoramus25173"
wrote in
message
One thing I've done on occasion is to take a
torch and burn the paint in
a crevice, then scrape it off. It might be
easier to just feather the
edges and paint over it.


Would that work on heavy cast pieces? Would
the heat not be absorbed?

i

Use a cutting head. Hold the oxygen lever
down as you play the flame over the
paint. It's not a heating process, but an oxygen
rich burning process.

Went to HF and got myself a blasting gun and Al oxide media. Also a
"engine cleaning" gun. I will try to clean this up tonight.

BillM, I do not have any O/A equipment.

i

"Ignoramus25173" wrote in message
...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

Tom Gardner wrote:

"Ignoramus25173" wrote in message
...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

Well, that's a nifty little toy. Kind of like a needle scaler, but
finer. What do those cost? It it in the official RCM shop brush pack?

On 2008-03-03, Tom Gardner wrote:

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html



Tom, thanks. I saw the same brishes at McMaster, looks like they are
selling yours. Congrats. I ended up using a Harbor Freight abrasive
blast gun, which did not work ideally, but was "good enough".

As of right now, I primered it with McMaster's 94% "cold galvanizing"
paint. The can is about a year old and the paint is showing some signs
of aging, so I am glad that I could use it for something.

After this cold galvanizing dries up, I will put oil based "John Deere
Green" paint on it, just for the kicks. I think that it will look nice
and unobtrusive in John Deere green color.

i

How much are these, Tom?

j/b


"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. net...

"Ignoramus25173" wrote in message
...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:22:08 GMT, Grant Erwin
wrote:

Ignoramus25173 wrote:

I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

One thing I've done on occasion is to take a torch and burn the paint in
a crevice, then scrape it off. It might be easier to just feather the
edges and paint over it.

Grant


One must be careful when removing paint from large cast iron machine
tools. The rough castings are often Bondo'ed with some sort of filler
material, and if you get too burly getting off the piant, you are
likely to screw up the bondo under it.

Its a freaking press. Give it a shot of primer, paint to suit and put
pin stripes on it in a complimentary color. Or flames or racing
stripes or have it chromed.

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:

"Ignoramus25173" wrote in message
...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

Well, that's a nifty little toy. Kind of like a needle scaler, but
finer. What do those cost? It it in the official RCM shop brush pack?

The list is @$50 with one cartridge. The Cartridges are @$22. RCMers get a 40%
off. This is my first patent, almost 20 years ago. Apparently it was nifty
enough for the Russians to steal.

"jusme" wrote in message
...
How much are these, Tom?

j/b




The list is @$50 with one cartridge. The Cartridges are @$22. RCMers get a 40%
off. This is my first patent, almost 20 years ago. Apparently it was nifty
enough for the Russians to steal.

On 2008-03-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
One must be careful when removing paint from large cast iron machine
tools. The rough castings are often Bondo'ed with some sort of filler
material, and if you get too burly getting off the piant, you are
likely to screw up the bondo under it.

In my case, there was no bondo.

It is indeed rather rough, I think that they ground the casting in
some places and left is as is in most places.

Its a freaking press. Give it a shot of primer, paint to suit and put
pin stripes on it in a complimentary color. Or flames or racing
stripes or have it chromed.

I think that it would be cool to make it look like a toy.

i

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:48:56 -0600, Ignoramus25173
wrote:
On 2008-03-03, Tom Gardner wrote:

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

Tom, thanks. I saw the same brishes at McMaster, looks like they are
selling yours. Congrats. I ended up using a Harbor Freight abrasive
blast gun, which did not work ideally, but was "good enough".

And I was just about to jump in and say NOT to use any abrasive
blasting media till there was no other choice, because it has an
annoying habit of going where it isn't wanted and causing problems
with the equipment.

The Marines had a Huey crash from a seized gearbox, and they found
about a dozen others with failing gearboxes from the cause - walnut
shell blasting media in the oil lines to the transmission bearings...

As of right now, I primered it with McMaster's 94% "cold galvanizing"
paint. The can is about a year old and the paint is showing some signs
of aging, so I am glad that I could use it for something.

After this cold galvanizing dries up, I will put oil based "John Deere
Green" paint on it, just for the kicks. I think that it will look nice
and unobtrusive in John Deere green color.

Is that pretty close to the original color? To some purists, the
'wrong' color means No Sale.

-- Bruce --

sandblasting and bead blasting are effective - but I don't know how well
the HF units work - I have a TIP sand blaster that is pretty good - the kind
with the pressurized container for sand

you will want to use really fine sand or you will clog your system up and
spend more time cleaning than blasting - and you need a lot of air
"Ignoramus25173" wrote in message
...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i



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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:44:07 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html


Oooohhh, I like THAT!

And to think what I've been paying that dental hygienist!

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Take it to a tombsrtone place and have them sandblast it. Then be sure
and clean it well. The sandblaster will know not to hit any sliding
places. Or at least the place I take my stuff to will.

Bob AZ

On 2008-03-03, Bruce L Bergman wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:48:56 -0600, Ignoramus25173
wrote:
On 2008-03-03, Tom Gardner wrote:

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

Tom, thanks. I saw the same brishes at McMaster, looks like they are
selling yours. Congrats. I ended up using a Harbor Freight abrasive
blast gun, which did not work ideally, but was "good enough".

And I was just about to jump in and say NOT to use any abrasive
blasting media till there was no other choice, because it has an
annoying habit of going where it isn't wanted and causing problems
with the equipment.

There is not that much in this press, as far as moving parts are
concerned.

The Marines had a Huey crash from a seized gearbox, and they found
about a dozen others with failing gearboxes from the cause - walnut
shell blasting media in the oil lines to the transmission bearings...

As of right now, I primered it with McMaster's 94% "cold galvanizing"
paint. The can is about a year old and the paint is showing some signs
of aging, so I am glad that I could use it for something.

After this cold galvanizing dries up, I will put oil based "John Deere
Green" paint on it, just for the kicks. I think that it will look nice
and unobtrusive in John Deere green color.

Is that pretty close to the original color? To some purists, the
'wrong' color means No Sale.

I will keep it, and will in fact bolt to a green shop table on casters
(3x3 feet, very heavy). So the color matches the table, I do not care
what it looked like before, too much.

i

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:44:07 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Ignoramus25173" wrote in message
...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

Ah HA!

What kind would I need for removing welding flux (stick) and how much
are they, and cartridge costs?

Vedddy Interesting!!

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:48:56 -0600, Ignoramus25173
wrote:

On 2008-03-03, Tom Gardner wrote:

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html



Tom, thanks. I saw the same brishes at McMaster, looks like they are
selling yours. Congrats. I ended up using a Harbor Freight abrasive
blast gun, which did not work ideally, but was "good enough".

As of right now, I primered it with McMaster's 94% "cold galvanizing"
paint. The can is about a year old and the paint is showing some signs
of aging, so I am glad that I could use it for something.

After this cold galvanizing dries up, I will put oil based "John Deere
Green" paint on it, just for the kicks. I think that it will look nice
and unobtrusive in John Deere green color.

i
It will look German. Put on some yellow pinstripes!!

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:29:39 -0600, Ignoramus25173
wrote:

On 2008-03-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
One must be careful when removing paint from large cast iron machine
tools. The rough castings are often Bondo'ed with some sort of filler
material, and if you get too burly getting off the piant, you are
likely to screw up the bondo under it.

In my case, there was no bondo.

It is indeed rather rough, I think that they ground the casting in
some places and left is as is in most places.

Its a freaking press. Give it a shot of primer, paint to suit and put
pin stripes on it in a complimentary color. Or flames or racing
stripes or have it chromed.

I think that it would be cool to make it look like a toy.

i

Paint TONKA on it in block letters

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:29:39 -0600, Ignoramus25173
wrote:

On 2008-03-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
One must be careful when removing paint from large cast iron machine
tools. The rough castings are often Bondo'ed with some sort of filler
material, and if you get too burly getting off the piant, you are
likely to screw up the bondo under it.

In my case, there was no bondo.

It is indeed rather rough, I think that they ground the casting in
some places and left is as is in most places.

Its a freaking press. Give it a shot of primer, paint to suit and put
pin stripes on it in a complimentary color. Or flames or racing
stripes or have it chromed.

I think that it would be cool to make it look like a toy.

i

Paint TONKA on it in block letters


Put Hakie's picture on it. Nothing else could make it look more like
a toy.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Tom Gardner wrote:

"Ignoramus25173" wrote in message
...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc, its
paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed paint
from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup brush. That
took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that left a lot of
crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html


Not to be picky, Tom, but you need to update the copyright on your
website. Being eight years off, makes it look like an abandoned
website.

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:27:15 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, Don
Foreman quickly quoth:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:44:07 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html


Oooohhh, I like THAT!

And to think what I've been paying that dental hygienist!

Damn. And to think that I just bought that new Sonicare 4100 last week
for the same $50. My hygienist thought I needed another tool, bless
her heart. I was skeptical until I used it once. They clean extremely
well.

--
An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes
the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done
or left undone in the short run determines the long run.
-- Sydney J. Harris

"Tom Gardner" wrote in
et:


"Pete C." wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:

"Ignoramus25173" wrote in
message ...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc,
its paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed
paint from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup
brush. That took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that
left a lot of crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

Well, that's a nifty little toy. Kind of like a needle scaler, but
finer. What do those cost? It it in the official RCM shop brush pack?

The list is @$50 with one cartridge. The Cartridges are @$22. RCMers
get a 40% off. This is my first patent, almost 20 years ago.
Apparently it was nifty enough for the Russians to steal.




How much for the [10125?/10124?] kits?

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch
wrote on Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:35:37 -0800
in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:29:39 -0600, Ignoramus25173
wrote:

On 2008-03-03, Gunner Asch wrote:
One must be careful when removing paint from large cast iron machine
tools. The rough castings are often Bondo'ed with some sort of filler
material, and if you get too burly getting off the piant, you are
likely to screw up the bondo under it.

In my case, there was no bondo.

It is indeed rather rough, I think that they ground the casting in
some places and left is as is in most places.

Its a freaking press. Give it a shot of primer, paint to suit and put
pin stripes on it in a complimentary color. Or flames or racing
stripes or have it chromed.

I think that it would be cool to make it look like a toy.

i

Paint TONKA on it in block letters

LOL.

Years ago, there was a railroad bridge down in Oregon, which had all
the usual graffiti. So the railroad came along and repainted. And
short afterwards, someone painted "Lionel" on the side. This was a
nice job, so I'm told, and the interesting thing - nobody ever painted
on that side, till the RR came back and repainted the bridge.

Now that was Art.


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
"I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed
over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
whether they served zombies he said, ‘Sure, what'll you have?'"
from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

"RAM³" wrote in message
0...
"Tom Gardner" wrote in
et:


"Pete C." wrote in message
...
Tom Gardner wrote:

"Ignoramus25173" wrote in
message ...
I bought a Famco 3R press today. $80 from Craigslist. According to
some eBay auction descriptions, it can do up to 4 tons of force.

It weighs, I would say, 170 lbs. It is about all I can lift by
myself. While it is in good physical shape, no major rust, etc,
its paint flaked off in about 3/4 of its area.

I decided to clean it up and repaint it. To that end, I removed
paint from easy to access areas using a 4" grinder and a cup
brush. That took care of 80% of paintable surface. However, that
left a lot of crevices uncleaned.

To clean, them, I am leaning towards visiting Harbor Freight and
buying some sandblasting gun and just sandblasting those places.

Would anyone have any suggestions here?

Also, what primer would you use to paint it.

I am kind of tempted to paint it in some fun color like red.

thanks

i

Impact Brush http://ohiobrush.com/Pages/powertool.html

Well, that's a nifty little toy. Kind of like a needle scaler, but
finer. What do those cost? It it in the official RCM shop brush pack?

The list is @$50 with one cartridge. The Cartridges are @$22. RCMers
get a 40% off. This is my first patent, almost 20 years ago.
Apparently it was nifty enough for the Russians to steal.




How much for the [10125?/10124?] kits?


There's no deal on the kits other than the 40% off for RCMers. This is the same
as WD pricing.

Tom Gardner wrote:

There's no deal on the kits other than the 40% off for RCMers. This is the same
as WD pricing.



Tom, how do I or any of us order from you?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
news:wy1zj.6226$Td2.5165@trndny08...
Tom Gardner wrote:

There's no deal on the kits other than the 40% off for RCMers. This is the
same as WD pricing.

Tom, how do I or any of us order from you?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

During a full moon, while burning black candles, face the East standing on one
leg humming the theme song to "Gilligan's Island" send an e-mail or call and
place an order.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:06:28 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
news:wy1zj.6226$Td2.5165@trndny08...
Tom Gardner wrote:

There's no deal on the kits other than the 40% off for RCMers. This is the
same as WD pricing.

Tom, how do I or any of us order from you?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

During a full moon, while burning black candles, face the East standing on one
leg humming the theme song to "Gilligan's Island" send an e-mail or call and
place an order.


Which leg...right or left?

I got the wrong one once and instead of a large pepperoni with bacon,
I got 5 gross of clothes pins.
Taught all the neighbor kids how to shoot matches, so it wasnt all
bad.

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:33:58 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:06:28 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
news:wy1zj.6226$Td2.5165@trndny08...
Tom Gardner wrote:

There's no deal on the kits other than the 40% off for RCMers. This is the
same as WD pricing.

Tom, how do I or any of us order from you?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

During a full moon, while burning black candles, face the East standing on one
leg humming the theme song to "Gilligan's Island" send an e-mail or call and
place an order.


Which leg...right or left?

I got the wrong one once and instead of a large pepperoni with bacon,
I got 5 gross of clothes pins.
Taught all the neighbor kids how to shoot matches, so it wasnt all
bad.

Gunner

Is that how all those wild fires get started?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:14:16 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:33:58 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:06:28 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

During a full moon, while burning black candles, face the East standing on one
leg humming the theme song to "Gilligan's Island" send an e-mail or call and
place an order.

Which leg...right or left?

I got the wrong one once and instead of a large pepperoni with bacon,
I got 5 gross of clothes pins.
Taught all the neighbor kids how to shoot matches, so it wasnt all
bad.

Is that how all those wild fires get started?

No, that's from idiots doing various construction and welding jobs
that use open flames and/or make sparks, or smokers casually tossing
away the butt or the match - outdoors in a 40-MPH plus windstorm, with
no water hoses, buckets of sand, shovels, or fire extinguishers handy.

"Oh gee, that grass over there is smoldering..." and instead of
being able to put it out right there and then, they don't have
anything handy to stomp it while it's still small. Or they just plain
aren't paying attention to what's going on around them. And 5 minutes
later it's up to a half acre and we're Off To The Races.

-- Bruce --

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:14:16 -0500, Gerald Miller
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:33:58 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:06:28 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
news:wy1zj.6226$Td2.5165@trndny08...
Tom Gardner wrote:

There's no deal on the kits other than the 40% off for RCMers. This is the
same as WD pricing.

Tom, how do I or any of us order from you?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

During a full moon, while burning black candles, face the East standing on one
leg humming the theme song to "Gilligan's Island" send an e-mail or call and
place an order.


Which leg...right or left?

I got the wrong one once and instead of a large pepperoni with bacon,
I got 5 gross of clothes pins.
Taught all the neighbor kids how to shoot matches, so it wasnt all
bad.

Gunner

Is that how all those wild fires get started?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada


Of course! No tracers allowed in California..but nothing in the penal
code about clothes pins.

My students run amok once in a while.

G

Gunner



"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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In article , wrote:
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:06:28 -0500, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
news:wy1zj.6226$Td2.5165@trndny08...
Tom Gardner wrote:

There's no deal on the kits other than the 40% off for RCMers. This is the

same as WD pricing.

Tom, how do I or any of us order from you?

Grant Erwin
Kirkland, Washington

During a full moon, while burning black candles, face the East standing on one

leg humming the theme song to "Gilligan's Island" send an e-mail or call and
place an order.


Which leg...right or left?

I got the wrong one once and instead of a large pepperoni with bacon,
I got 5 gross of clothes pins.
Taught all the neighbor kids how to shoot matches, so it wasnt all
bad.

Gunner

The last time I tried to make a clothespin match gun I discovered that
they've watered down "strike anywhere" matches to the point where the
modern ones (Ohio Blue Tip, I think) will no longer ignite in a match
gun. I was very annoyed.

Doug White

On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:07:33 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking,
(Doug White) wrote,
The last time I tried to make a clothespin match gun I discovered that
they've watered down "strike anywhere" matches to the point where the
modern ones (Ohio Blue Tip, I think) will no longer ignite in a match
gun. I was very annoyed.

Check what it says on the box; a lot of wooden kitchen style matches
are no longer strike anywhere, but strike on the strip only.

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In article , "Newsgroup only please, address is no longer replyable." wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:07:33 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking,
(Doug White) wrote,
The last time I tried to make a clothespin match gun I discovered that
they've watered down "strike anywhere" matches to the point where the
modern ones (Ohio Blue Tip, I think) will no longer ignite in a match
gun. I was very annoyed.

Check what it says on the box; a lot of wooden kitchen style matches
are no longer strike anywhere, but strike on the strip only.

They are definitely strike anywhere, but they are a lot more wussy than
the ones of my youth.

Doug White

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:17:29 -0800, Gunner Asch

I got the wrong one once and instead of a large pepperoni with bacon,
I got 5 gross of clothes pins.
Taught all the neighbor kids how to shoot matches, so it wasnt all
bad.

Gunner

OK That's one I don't know. How do you shoot matches using a clothes
pin?
I know the one where you wrap a little aluminum foil around the match
head and leave a vent hole for the jet. We used a paper clip as the
vent maker and "rocket" stand. What's with the clothes pin and
shooting matches thoujgh?


RWL

In article ,
(Doug White) wrote:

Keywords:
In article , "Newsgroup only please,
address is no longer replyable." wrote:
On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:07:33 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking,
(Doug White) wrote,
The last time I tried to make a clothespin match gun I discovered that
they've watered down "strike anywhere" matches to the point where the
modern ones (Ohio Blue Tip, I think) will no longer ignite in a match
gun. I was very annoyed.

Check what it says on the box; a lot of wooden kitchen style matches
are no longer strike anywhere, but strike on the strip only.

They are definitely strike anywhere, but they are a lot more wussy than
the ones of my youth.

Doug White

Yes they are, darnit! Makes campfire making a pain sometimes. Have to
resort to a bow drill or flint & steel. (Or a Bic lighter

My friends and I used to make bike spoke guns with old bike spokes and
matches. Take an old spoke turn the nut around and screw it onto the
spoke. Bend a handle of the remaining spoke wire. Stuff the nut with 2-3
ground up match heads and shove a matchstick in the end tightly. (It's a
compressed powder load Light another match and hold the flame on the
spoke nut. After a short wait, KABOOM!

Cracks like a .22 pistol shot. Much more powerful than one would think.
It once brought my father outside asking who was shooting so close to
the house. I showed him one of the things and he forbad me ever to do it
again.

Then he took me out and bought me my choice of a first handgun, a S&W
..38 Special. Said if I was old, smart and, determined enough to make
that thing, I was old enough to get a handgun and learn how to use it
properly and safely. I had to buy my own ammo, though; Paper route time!

I often shot with (and outshot some of) the Steubenville cops who used
the old sandpit a few hundred yards west of our house for a practice
range.

Oh, BTW, I was 11. Now, I'd probably be arrested and sent to Juvie Hall
for Making a Destructive Device, Then to a foster home. My parents would
be charged with Child Neglect/Endangering and Giving a Handgun to a
Minor or some such nonsense.

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In article , GeoLane at PTD dot NET GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:17:29 -0800, Gunner Asch

I got the wrong one once and instead of a large pepperoni with bacon,
I got 5 gross of clothes pins.
Taught all the neighbor kids how to shoot matches, so it wasnt all
bad.

Gunner

OK That's one I don't know. How do you shoot matches using a clothes
pin?
I know the one where you wrap a little aluminum foil around the match
head and leave a vent hole for the jet. We used a paper clip as the
vent maker and "rocket" stand. What's with the clothes pin and
shooting matches thoujgh?

It's a bit hard to describe in text, but thanks to the wonders of the
web, somebody has a site with pictures:

http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clot...gun/index.html

Enjoy!

Doug White

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:34:53 GMT, (Doug White)
wrote:

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In article , GeoLane at PTD dot NET GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:17:29 -0800, Gunner Asch

I got the wrong one once and instead of a large pepperoni with bacon,
I got 5 gross of clothes pins.
Taught all the neighbor kids how to shoot matches, so it wasnt all
bad.

Gunner

OK That's one I don't know. How do you shoot matches using a clothes
pin?
I know the one where you wrap a little aluminum foil around the match
head and leave a vent hole for the jet. We used a paper clip as the
vent maker and "rocket" stand. What's with the clothes pin and
shooting matches thoujgh?

It's a bit hard to describe in text, but thanks to the wonders of the
web, somebody has a site with pictures:

http://deuceofclubs.com/randumb/clot...gun/index.html

Enjoy!

Doug White
Not quite the way we made them, I'd have to make one to remember
though.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada