On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 05:06:34 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the disgusting 86-year-old trolling senile pest's latest troll****

05:06??? LOL So you've been up and trolling for TWO HOURS already, yet
again, you piece of senile ****! BG

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On 05/03/2020 12:22, wrote:
On 05/03/2020 10:17, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 18:04, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you
really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

'tain't going to work. All the advice is that 60% alcohol content is
needed

But, of course, you only need the alcohol if you haven't got running
water available to wash your hands. The gel is sufficiently unpleasant
that it is best to wash your hands as soon as possible to remove the
residue.

Yes, I'd taken Brian's comment as referring to a home-made hand wash when
out of the home.
On a recent shopping trip I was conscious of all the things that had to
be touched, ending with the car door and steering wheel. Unless we start
wearing surgical gloves it's hard to see how gels and hand washing will
make much difference unless everyone does it ... and many people won't. I
was surprised that a young junior doctor friend said that they were not
changing anything about the way they act. To quote an old TV character,
with a Scots accent: "we're doomed!"

No, only some of us. Eg I think there's a very good chance indeed that
Adam and John will be left to agree between themselves who turns out the
lights.

Very unlikely to be Adam given that he will **** anything that isnt actually
dead.

While he does use condoms, that wont help with this virus.

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Everyone knows that cruise pax **** like rabbits.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...al-distancing/

They probably also have a high proportion of oldsters and so
the attrition rate will probably be correspondingly higher.

While the Chinese apparently are heavy smokers.

If Johnson and co. had half a brain they would be
stressing this fact, if such it is, and using it
to target smokers.

As it is they're simply covering their arses so as
to allow for the worst contingency.

While according to a letter quoted in Private Eye
there is a lot of resentment among retired GP's
who without any prior consolation are apparently being
drafted in as "cannon fodder" to mask the Govt's
penny pinching and lack of any provision whatsoever
for such contingencies.

Basically the Govt are engaged in a misinformation
exercise exaggerating the risk so that no matter
what happens they can be seen to have at least done
something. "Don't say we didn't warn you ! Can't
find any sanitiser in the shops ? You're not looking
hard enough !"



michael adams

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On 05/03/2020 14:17, Robin wrote:
On 05/03/2020 12:27, michael adams wrote:

The virus can last on hard surfaces for up to ten
minutes and so the coughers and sneezers could be
well gone before you come on the scene, leaving all
their spores behind.

10 minutes? Professor Chris Whitty* told MPs this morning "It's probably
largely gone by 48 hours and almost completely gone by 72 hours on a hard
surface." But I suppose to some people he's just another bloke on the
internet - and old and white to boot.

*CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci, Chief Medical Officer for England, Chief Medical
Adviser to the UK Government, etc etc




Long enough to be present on the inside or outside of all those packages
air-freighted in from China (after being bought online from a
company with a .CO.UK address)

Mine never get here anything even remotely like that fast.
Much more often it takes a month.

Even he had a cough without using a tissue :-). Also a couple of people in
the 'audience'.

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 05:14:05 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile troll****

05:14??? So, WHY do you have NOBODY in RL to talk to, you cantankerous
lonely senile pest? VBG

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 05:18:08 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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05:18, you lonely sleepless senile piece of ****? LOL

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 05:52:27 +1100, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH senile troll****

05:52 already, you clinically insane senile asshole? And STILL unable to go
to bed, you lonely sociopathic swine? LOL

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On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 16:45:35 +0100, Thomas Prufer wrote:

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 20:19:59 +1100, "John_j" wrote:

They also arent what you use when you want to produce a final result
that still has the flavour of what you started with with stuff like plum
brandy etc.

The turbo yeasts seem to be sold lots in countries with high taxes on
likker...
lees chance of being caught with a bathtub full of mash, maybe?

Not sure about the "Turbo" bit, but those yeasts produce the cleanest
wash from which to distil - if you skimp and try distilling regular ale
or beer ... it's pretty rank.

You dont distil ale or beer, you ferment cane sugar
with beer yeast and that works fine with a reflux still.

Mate of mine uses bread yeast and tomato paste.
Much slower than the turbo yeasts or beer yeast
but it does produce a decent result with a reflux still.

There's a lively underground home distilling community in the UK. Enough
to support a few online and high street shops. As a very early adopter
I'm aware that the powers that be were completely blindsided by the
overnight appearance of a hobbiest market, and by the time they'd
realised it was "a thing" it was too late and Streisland applied.

If it's any consolation, I do use British sugar

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Just found out yesterday that the reason its
pretty good is that it gets rid of the fat and
oil on the hands which is a harbour for what
you want to avoid remaining on your hands.

But not these presumably

quote

Between its pH and its porous nature, our body's natural barrier to the
word
does a great job at killing viruses, Greatorex explained. "Our hands are
quite
antimicrobial themselves," she said. "They have their own bacteria that
live
on them - no matter how clean you are - and they don't actually harbour
viruses that well."

/quote

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science...ublic-surfaces

That’s talking about stopping the viruses getting into the
body via the skin, not what we are discussing, stopping
this virus from being picked up from surfaces you touch
and being transferred to your mouth or nose or eyes by
physical contact and infecting you that way,

Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

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Everyone knows that cruise pax **** like rabbits.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...al-distancing/

They probably also have a high proportion of oldsters

That’s very arguable. Plenty of the younger
ones use them for the furious ****ing.

and so the attrition rate will probably be correspondingly higher.

That’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

While the Chinese apparently are heavy smokers.

Again, that’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

If Johnson and co. had half a brain they would be stressing this fact, if
such it is, and using it to target smokers.

Again, that’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

As it is they're simply covering their arses so as to allow for the worst
contingency.

That’s bull****.

While according to a letter quoted in Private Eye
there is a lot of resentment among retired GP's
who without any prior consolation are apparently being drafted in as
"cannon fodder"

They cant be conscripted, that’s bull****.

to mask the Govt's penny pinching and lack of any provision whatsoever for
such contingencies.

That last is a bare faced lie.

Basically the Govt are engaged in a misinformation
exercise exaggerating the risk so that no matter what happens they can be
seen to have at least done something. "Don't say we didn't warn you !
Can't find any sanitiser in
the shops ? You're not looking hard enough !"

Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 03:54:42 +1100, "John_j" wrote:

I live in an area with hordes of italian immigrants.
They have a long tradition of grappa and quite
a bit of it is pretty awful stuff. They use pot stills.

Ah yes. Had some like that. The smell of fusel oils was overpowering even when
the grappa was used as an additive to window cleaning water.

Grappa can be divine, though...


Thomas Prufer

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 06:29:21 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH troll****

06:29 already, you clinically insane asshole?

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 06:06:57 +1100, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the 86-year-old trolling senile asshole's troll****

06:06, you clinically insane senile piece of trolling ****? LOL

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 06:21:20 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile asshole's troll****

06:21, you useless sleepless senile cretin? LOL

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Everyone knows that cruise pax **** like rabbits.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...al-distancing/

They probably also have a high proportion of oldsters

That’s very arguable. Plenty of the younger
ones use them for the furious ****ing.

and so the attrition rate will probably be correspondingly higher.

That’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

While the Chinese apparently are heavy smokers.

Again, that’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

If Johnson and co. had half a brain they would be stressing this fact, if such it is,
and using it to target smokers.

Again, that’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

Yes but if a large proportion of deaths are of smokers
then the consequences of catching it aren't so dire
and so people won't panic. Just mentioning smoking in
passing might stick in smokers' minds when they're
already in an anxious state, far more than any
amount of lecturing.


If as claimed these viruses hang around for days rather
than hours then this implies that this thing can't be as
infectious as was claimed.

So its not as infectious as was claimed - because as I said
earlier more people would be catching it, and quite possibly
the people who are dying are either old, have an existing
condition, or are smokers. There's one figure suggesting
60% of Chinese doctors smoke.


michael adams

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"michael adams" wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Everyone knows that cruise pax **** like rabbits.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...al-distancing/

They probably also have a high proportion of oldsters

That’s very arguable. Plenty of the younger
ones use them for the furious ****ing.

and so the attrition rate will probably be correspondingly higher.

That’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

While the Chinese apparently are heavy smokers.

Again, that’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

If Johnson and co. had half a brain they would be stressing this fact,
if such it is, and using it to target smokers.

Again, that’s a separate issue to the infection rate.

Yes but if a large proportion of deaths are of smokers

Its far from clear that that is true. Havent seen any stats on that.

then the consequences of catching it aren't so dire

True.

and so people won't panic.

They already have.

Just mentioning smoking in passing might stick in smokers' minds when
they're already in an anxious state, far more than any amount of
lecturing.

But it remains to be seen if that works. One of ours
who is an ex one of yours has just done that yesterday.
Its not too clear what percentage of my country even
watch something like this, let alone how many smokers
will get off their arses and quit now that he has said that.

And its far from clear whether quitting now will help any anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvm_SUjQorw

If as claimed these viruses hang around for days rather than hours then
this implies that this thing can't be as infectious as was claimed.

otoh that pom that was at a conference in singapore
and then infect quite a few once he ended up in france
after that and our GP that got infected indicates that it
it is very infectious.

So its not as infectious as was claimed

We'll see...

- because as I said earlier more people would be catching it,

They clearly have in Italy and Iran and South Korea.

and quite possibly the people who are dying are either old, have an
existing condition, or are smokers.

That remains to be seen too. It isnt even
clear if that is the case with the ones from
the Diamond Princess who died either.

I havent seen any stats with those deaths yet.

There's one figure suggesting
60% of Chinese doctors smoke.

But only one of theirs has died.

On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 10:15:26 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the abnormal senile cretin's latest troll****

10:15??????? So you've been trolling for OVER SEVEN HOURS, ALL NIGHT LONG,
yet again, you senile piece of ****!

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On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is.Â* 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

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On Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:30:36 UTC, michael adams wrote:

something. "Don't say we didn't warn you ! Can't
find any sanitiser in the shops ? You're not looking
hard enough !"

it's online for next to nothing.

"Michael Chare" wrote in message
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On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make quite a
bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

Very likely but the metho might be getting in short supply.

On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is.Â* 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low prices


NT

On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "
wrote:

On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is.Â* 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from 45p to c.£3.
And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for not much more than £1,
£10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662


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On Thursday, 5 March 2020 18:30:36 UTC, michael adams wrote:

something. "Don't say we didn't warn you ! Can't
find any sanitiser in the shops ? You're not looking
hard enough !"

it's online for next to nothing.

Most if not all of which will be worthless knockoff
rubbish with faked and/or misleading labels.

Reputable suppliers simply don't have the spare
capacity to meet such a sudden but purely
temporary upsurge in demand.

Basically no matter how cheap anything is
to make, there are always ways of making
it even cheaper but superficially looking
just the same.


michael adams

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On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:21:45 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH troll****

12:21??? LOL And you are STILL up and trolling, you clinically insane
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On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJH wrote:
They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from 45p to c.£3.
And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for not much more than £1,
£10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

Bloody hell.

I wonder if the Post Office are going to add sanitiser gel to jewellery and bullion and other things that must be declared high value when posting.

Owain

On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJH wrote:
On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "tabbypurr"
wrote:
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is.Â* 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from 45p to c.£3.
And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for not much more than £1,
£10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662

order hand sanitizer by price, there's plenty of cheap available.
That some is also going for silly prices doesn't mean we can make & sell it at great margin. I did look.


NT

On 05/03/2020 20:16, michael adams wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"michael adams" wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Everyone knows that cruise pax **** like rabbits.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov...al-distancing/

They probably also have a high proportion of oldsters

Thats very arguable. Plenty of the younger
ones use them for the furious ****ing.

and so the attrition rate will probably be correspondingly higher.

Thats a separate issue to the infection rate.

While the Chinese apparently are heavy smokers.

Again, thats a separate issue to the infection rate.

If Johnson and co. had half a brain they would be stressing this fact, if such it is,
and using it to target smokers.

Again, thats a separate issue to the infection rate.

Yes but if a large proportion of deaths are of smokers
then the consequences of catching it aren't so dire
and so people won't panic. Just mentioning smoking in
passing might stick in smokers' minds when they're
already in an anxious state, far more than any
amount of lecturing.


If as claimed these viruses hang around for days rather
than hours then this implies that this thing can't be as
infectious as was claimed.

So its not as infectious as was claimed - because as I said
earlier more people would be catching it, and quite possibly
the people who are dying are either old, have an existing
condition, or are smokers. There's one figure suggesting
60% of Chinese doctors smoke.


Very high rates of smoking amongst Chinese men. Much higher
rates than among Chinese women.


michael adams

...

On 06/03/2020 11:30, wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJH wrote:
On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "tabbypurr"
wrote:
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is.Â* 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from 45p to c.£3.
And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for not much more than £1,
£10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662

order hand sanitizer by price, there's plenty of cheap available.
That some is also going for silly prices doesn't mean we can make & sell it at great margin. I did look.


NT


Does common old methylated spirits work ?.

Andrew wrote:

On 06/03/2020 11:30, wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJH wrote:
On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "tabbypurr"
wrote:
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea
what the evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from 45p
to c.£3. And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for not much
more than £1, £10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662

order hand sanitizer by price, there's plenty of cheap available. That
some is also going for silly prices doesn't mean we can make & sell it
at great margin. I did look.


NT


Does common old methylated spirits work ?.

It is moderately poisonous, and therefore best not used as a skin
preparation, especially not frequently or on children. Also it will dye
your hands purple.

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On 06/03/2020 15:31, Andrew wrote:
On 06/03/2020 11:30, wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJHÂ* wrote:
On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "tabbypurr"
wrote:
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael ChareÂ* wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea
what the
evidence is.Â* 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make
quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from 45p
to c.£3.
And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for not much more
than £1,
£10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662

order hand sanitizer by price, there's plenty of cheap available.
That some is also going for silly prices doesn't mean we can make &
sell it at great margin. I did look.


NT


Does common old methylated spirits work ?.
Almost certainly but its not a gel


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On 2020-03-06, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2020 15:43:03 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Andrew wrote:

On 06/03/2020 11:30, wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJH wrote:
On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "tabbypurr"
wrote:
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea
what the evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand
gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make
quite a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from
45p to c.£3. And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for
not much more than £1, £10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662

order hand sanitizer by price, there's plenty of cheap available.
That some is also going for silly prices doesn't mean we can make &
sell it at great margin. I did look.


NT


Does common old methylated spirits work ?.

It is moderately poisonous, and therefore best not used as a skin
preparation, especially not frequently or on children. Also it will dye
your hands purple.

Well, if you are using bought meths. Although why anyone non-dodgy would
want to make methanol I don't know. Unless they are a very niche hobbiest.

The antidote for methanol poisoning is ethanol. Which always amused me
slightly, since if you had ethanol you wouldn't be drinking methanol

Aren't some US cars run on (m)ethanol ? Very dangerous as the flame can't
be seen ...

A lot of the motor fuel in the USA is 10% ethanol. I've heard that
the fuel is effectively diluted to 90% (i.e., "watered down" with
something combustible but not greated for the purpose); some claim
it's used because of subsidies to certain kinds of farming.

If there are fuel flames outside the engine, you're in trouble whether
you can see them or not. ;-)

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 06/03/2020 11:30, wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJH wrote:
On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "tabbypurr"
wrote:
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what
the
evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make
quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from 45p to
c.£3.
And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for not much more than
£1,
£10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662

order hand sanitizer by price, there's plenty of cheap available.
That some is also going for silly prices doesn't mean we can make & sell
it at great margin. I did look.

Does common old methylated spirits work ?.

Yes, but if you use it a lot, it can leave your hands very dry,

Thats why the gel is added, to fix that problem.

"Roger Hayter" wrote in message
...
Andrew wrote:

On 06/03/2020 11:30, wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJH wrote:
On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "tabbypurr"
wrote:
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea
what the evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make
quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from 45p
to c.£3. And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for not
much
more than £1, £10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662

order hand sanitizer by price, there's plenty of cheap available. That
some is also going for silly prices doesn't mean we can make & sell it
at great margin. I did look.

Does common old methylated spirits work ?.

It is moderately poisonous,

Only if you drink it.

and therefore best not used as a skin preparation,

That's bull****.

especially not frequently

Not because its moderately poisonous,
because you end up with very dry skin.

or on children. Also it will dye your hands purple.

Ours doesn't.

On 06/03/2020 16:13, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2020 15:43:03 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Andrew wrote:

On 06/03/2020 11:30, wrote:
On Friday, 6 March 2020 07:34:51 UTC, RJH wrote:
On 6 Mar 2020 at 01:26:42 GMT, "tabbypurr"
wrote:
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 23:45:19 UTC, Michael Chare wrote:
On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea
what the evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand
gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make
quite a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

It's already on ebay for very low price

They look highly inflated to me. Small Aldi brand bottles up from
45p to c.£3. And some stuff I bought ('Cuticura') a while back for
not much more than £1, £10-£20. And people are paying these prices:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223936491662

order hand sanitizer by price, there's plenty of cheap available.
That some is also going for silly prices doesn't mean we can make &
sell it at great margin. I did look.


NT


Does common old methylated spirits work ?.

It is moderately poisonous, and therefore best not used as a skin
preparation, especially not frequently or on children. Also it will dye
your hands purple.

Well, if you are using bought meths. Although why anyone non-dodgy would
want to make methanol I don't know. Unless they are a very niche hobbiest.

The antidote for methanol poisoning is ethanol. Which always amused me
slightly, since if you had ethanol you wouldn't be drinking methanol

Aren't some US cars run on (m)ethanol ? Very dangerous as the flame can't
be seen ...

Only race cars.
Like nitromethane or nitrous oxide it carries its own oxygen so its a
good way to throw power into an engine that is limited by its breathing.

Once you start supercharging though its not really much of a gain and
its bloody dangerous for the reasons you stated

But it still gives a bit of a boost tho and makes arriving at a correct
mixture richness easier so its still in use in e.g. top fuel dragsters

Just not pure alcohol - generally blended with nitromethane and gasoline

US racing mandates it BECAUSE it produces no smoke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_fuel#Racing

and its easier to put out once you know its alight.

The problem is knowing


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On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 05:39:13 +1100, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the senile asshole's troll****

05:39??? IOW, you won't go back to bed again, you sleepless, clinically
insane, senile asshole! LOL

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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH senile troll****

05:34??? So, WHY do you have NOBODY in RL to talk to, you abnormal senile
pest? What's YOUR explanation, senile cretin? Let's hear it! LOL

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