I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:18:56 +0000, Graham.
wrote:


I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.
^^^
ALC sorry.

Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.




Wont that turn it into Boddingtons.


GH

On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 00:44:48 UTC, Marland wrote:
Wont that turn it into Boddingtons.

No, Baileys.

Owain

On 04/03/2020 00:44, Marland wrote:
Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.




Wont that turn it into Boddingtons.


GH


No John Smiths.
You really need Fullers ESB they used to run Concorde on that.

Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

I've been recommended 30-40% aloe vera gel. Apparently it leaves
little residue and is not too sticky, but does make the alcohol solution
more viscous and reduce its vapour pressure.

--

Roger Hayter

Roger Hayter wrote:
Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

I've been recommended 30-40% aloe vera gel. Apparently it leaves
little residue and is not too sticky, but does make the alcohol solution
more viscous and reduce its vapour pressure.


You could look on YouTube at the €˜recipe to make fuel for sterno camping
stoves.

Sterno stoves are common in the US. Sterno fuel is alcohol gel. People make
it as the refills are quite expensive. There are several recipes, the
simplest uses a powder used in poultry keeping etc and alcohol.

I was introduced to Sterno stoves many years ago on a fishing trip in the
US. Ive never seen them here or even an equivalent- although there are gel
stoves.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 08:33:09 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay wrote:

I was introduced to Sterno stoves many years ago on a fishing trip in
the US. I ve never seen them here or even an equivalent- although
there are gel stoves.

Ethanol fuel tins for chafing dishes?

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On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 00:52:29 +0000, (Roger Hayter)
wrote:

Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

I've been recommended 30-40% aloe vera gel. Apparently it leaves
little residue and is not too sticky, but does make the alcohol solution
more viscous and reduce its vapour pressure.


What ratio of isopropyl alcohol to aloe vera gel would you use?

Stephen wrote:

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 00:52:29 +0000, (Roger Hayter)
wrote:

Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

I've been recommended 30-40% aloe vera gel. Apparently it leaves
little residue and is not too sticky, but does make the alcohol solution
more viscous and reduce its vapour pressure.


What ratio of isopropyl alcohol to aloe vera gel would you use?

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.


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Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is. 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

On 05/03/2020 19:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

I am told of a recommendation for 3:2 but I really have no idea what the
evidence is.Â* 60-70% alcohol seems common for hand gels.

The WHO publishes a hand-gel "recipe"

https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Not to difficult to make.

I don't know what the ingredients cost but I think you could make quite
a bit of money making your own and flogging it on ebay.

--
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Graham. wrote

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it
into small plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Better to drink it well chilled.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 12:46:43 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it
into small plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Better to drink it well chilled.

Idiot!

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Rod Speed wrote:
Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it
into small plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Better to drink it well chilled.

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Graham. wrote:

Couldn't find any in the shops.

I thought I had one in the back of the car, but it was a non-alcohol
version.

The shelves in Morrisons were "empty". I'm quite a tall chap so I
noticed a cardboard box hiding right at the back of the top shelf, turns
out there were a couple of bottles lurking in there.

After peeling the "Little miss tickle" sticker off the containers, you'd
never know, apart from it being bright yellow!

On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:18:56 +0000, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

A quick google for ingredients shows glycerin might also work instead of hand
cream. ISTR that maximum effect is not at the highest concentration of IPA.

Hand cream is ingenious, though!

Couldn't find what they use for a thickener in gel formulations...


Thomas Prufer

On 04/03/20 07:38, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:18:56 +0000, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

A quick google for ingredients shows glycerin might also work instead of hand
cream. ISTR that maximum effect is not at the highest concentration of IPA.

See last bullet point he
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_sanitizer#Composition

Hand cream is ingenious, though!

Couldn't find what they use for a thickener in gel formulations...

For high-alcohol formulations fumed silica can be used as the gelling agent.

--

Jeff

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 04/03/20 07:38, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:18:56 +0000, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

A quick google for ingredients shows glycerin might also work instead of hand
cream. ISTR that maximum effect is not at the highest concentration of IPA.

See last bullet point he
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_sanitizer#Composition

Hand cream is ingenious, though!

Couldn't find what they use for a thickener in gel formulations...

For high-alcohol formulations fumed silica can be used as the gelling agent.


See my response to Roger- that is essentially how some of the Sterno
substitutes are made but with different gelling agents.

On Wed, 4 Mar 2020 08:35:04 +0000 (UTC), Brian Reay wrote:

See my response to Roger- that is essentially how some of the Sterno
substitutes are made but with different gelling agents.

Calcium acetate ISTR, a bit in water added to the meths.

If sodium acetate would also work: that's the stuff in those reusable hand
warmers.


Thomas Prufer

Thomas Prufer wrote:

Couldn't find what they use for a thickener in gel formulations...

Little miss tickle lists the ingredients in order as alcohol, water,
glycerin, polyacrylic acid ... everything lower down the list seems to
be perfumes and dyes, or additives to prevent UV killing the perfumes
and dyes.

On 04/03/2020 07:38, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:18:56 +0000, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

A quick google for ingredients shows glycerin might also work instead of hand
cream. ISTR that maximum effect is not at the highest concentration of IPA.

Hand cream is ingenious, though!

Couldn't find what they use for a thickener in gel formulations...

I've made creditable Swarfega out of washing up liquid and parafin.

Also washing up liquid and white spirit.
You could try washing up liquid and surgical spirit.


Thomas Prufer




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On 04/03/2020 00:18, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

Snap! I was going to say I'd done the same thing, but I ordered 5 litres
because it's useful stuff to have around (unless there's a fire!).

Does anyone know whether emollients such as Diprobase make good carriers
for the alcohol?

wrote:

On 04/03/2020 00:18, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

Snap! I was going to say I'd done the same thing, but I ordered 5 litres
because it's useful stuff to have around (unless there's a fire!).

Does anyone know whether emollients such as Diprobase make good carriers
for the alcohol?

A cream *might* work if the alcohol doesn't disrupt the function of the
emulsifiers, but alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based ointment.

--

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(Roger Hayter) Wrote in message:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 00:18, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

Snap! I was going to say I'd done the same thing, but I ordered 5 litres
because it's useful stuff to have around (unless there's a fire!).

Does anyone know whether emollients such as Diprobase make good carriers
for the alcohol?

A cream *might* work if the alcohol doesn't disrupt the function of the
emulsifiers, but alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based ointment.

--

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So it becomes an emulsion then?
Just shake well before use.
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Graham. wrote:

(Roger Hayter) Wrote in message:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 00:18, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

Snap! I was going to say I'd done the same thing, but I ordered 5 litres
because it's useful stuff to have around (unless there's a fire!).

Does anyone know whether emollients such as Diprobase make good carriers
for the alcohol?

A cream *might* work if the alcohol doesn't disrupt the function of the
emulsifiers, but alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based ointment.

--

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So it becomes an emulsion then?
Just shake well before use.

I suggest a thought experiment. What do you suppose will happen, if
anything, if you shake up some vodka with vaseline, even with a little
washing-up liquid?

--

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On 04/03/2020 11:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 00:18, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

Snap! I was going to say I'd done the same thing, but I ordered 5 litres
because it's useful stuff to have around (unless there's a fire!).

Does anyone know whether emollients such as Diprobase make good carriers
for the alcohol?

A cream *might* work if the alcohol doesn't disrupt the function of the
emulsifiers, but alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based ointment.

I'm not a chemist (unless A level chem 40+ years ago counts) but would
be interested to know why alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based
ointment. Alcohol is a hydrocarbon and ethanol is added to petrol.
What's different about hydrocarbon-based ointments?

FWIW, according to medicines.org the ingredients (excipients is
apparently the correct word) of Diprobase a Chlorocresol, Macrogol
Cetostearyl Ether, Cetostearyl alcohol, Liquid paraffin, White soft
paraffin, Phosphoric acid, Sodium dihydrogen phosphate, Sodium
hydroxide, and Purified water.

wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 00:18, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

Snap! I was going to say I'd done the same thing, but I ordered 5 litres
because it's useful stuff to have around (unless there's a fire!).

Does anyone know whether emollients such as Diprobase make good carriers
for the alcohol?

A cream *might* work if the alcohol doesn't disrupt the function of the
emulsifiers, but alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based ointment.

I'm not a chemist (unless A level chem 40+ years ago counts) but would
be interested to know why alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based
ointment. Alcohol is a hydrocarbon

Let me stop you there. Alcohol is an aliphatic alcohol (surprise) and
quite hydrophilic. *Not* a hydrocarbon.


and ethanol is added to petrol.

Don't know how that works. Maybe petrol has polar components. I doubt
you can get much alcohol to mix.


What's different about hydrocarbon-based ointments?

They are solid, plus some detergents and possibly emulsifiers but I'm
not sure.



FWIW, according to medicines.org the ingredients (excipients is
apparently the correct word) of Diprobase a Chlorocresol, Macrogol
Cetostearyl Ether, Cetostearyl alcohol, Liquid paraffin, White soft
paraffin, Phosphoric acid, Sodium dihydrogen phosphate, Sodium
hydroxide, and Purified water.


--

Roger Hayter

On 04/03/2020 13:25, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 11:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 00:18, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

Snap! I was going to say I'd done the same thing, but I ordered 5 litres
because it's useful stuff to have around (unless there's a fire!).

Does anyone know whether emollients such as Diprobase make good carriers
for the alcohol?

A cream *might* work if the alcohol doesn't disrupt the function of the
emulsifiers, but alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based ointment.

I'm not a chemist (unless A level chem 40+ years ago counts) but would
be interested to know why alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based
ointment. Alcohol is a hydrocarbon

Let me stop you there. Alcohol is an aliphatic alcohol (surprise) and
quite hydrophilic. *Not* a hydrocarbon.
Aha! I had to check the definition of "aliphatic" but it brought back
distant memories of straight chains as about to closed rings.


and ethanol is added to petrol.

Don't know how that works. Maybe petrol has polar components. I doubt
you can get much alcohol to mix.


What's different about hydrocarbon-based ointments?

They are solid, plus some detergents and possibly emulsifiers but I'm
not sure.


Thanks. I'm (slightly) wiser, and my memory pixies have been stirred ;-)


FWIW, according to medicines.org the ingredients (excipients is
apparently the correct word) of Diprobase a Chlorocresol, Macrogol
Cetostearyl Ether, Cetostearyl alcohol, Liquid paraffin, White soft
paraffin, Phosphoric acid, Sodium dihydrogen phosphate, Sodium
hydroxide, and Purified water.

On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 13:25:28 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:


Don't know how that works. Maybe petrol has polar components. I doubt
you can get much alcohol to mix.

Petrol around the world varies from zero through, 5, and 10 to 85% ethanol.

E10 (10% ethanol) is shortly going to be introduced in the UK. I believe that Tesco super unleaded (the higher octane version) already has a significant percentage of ethanol though can't remember the percentage.

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On 04/03/2020 11:14, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 00:18, Graham. wrote:

I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

Snap! I was going to say I'd done the same thing, but I ordered 5 litres
because it's useful stuff to have around (unless there's a fire!).

Does anyone know whether emollients such as Diprobase make good carriers
for the alcohol?

A cream *might* work if the alcohol doesn't disrupt the function of the
emulsifiers, but alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based ointment.

I'm not a chemist (unless A level chem 40+ years ago counts) but would be
interested to know why alcohol won't mix with a hydrocarbon-based
ointment. Alcohol is a hydrocarbon and ethanol is added to petrol. What's
different about hydrocarbon-based ointments?

Very different molecular weights.

FWIW, according to medicines.org the ingredients (excipients is apparently
the correct word) of Diprobase a Chlorocresol, Macrogol Cetostearyl
Ether, Cetostearyl alcohol, Liquid paraffin, White soft paraffin,
Phosphoric acid, Sodium dihydrogen phosphate, Sodium hydroxide, and
Purified water.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 06:41:23 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH senile troll****

06:41 already? And you STILL can't go back to bed, you sleepless 86-year-old
cretin? LOL

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I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

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"Graham." wrote in message
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I've just ordered a litre of IPA, I going to decant it into small
plastic bottles with a little hand cream.

Couldn't find any in the shops.

Typing ALK into Google suggests this is a hot topic.

On 04/03/2020 18:04, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

'tain't going to work. All the advice is that 60% alcohol content is needed

wrote:

On 04/03/2020 18:04, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

'tain't going to work. All the advice is that 60% alcohol content is needed

But, of course, you only need the alcohol if you haven't got running
water available to wash your hands. The gel is sufficiently unpleasant
that it is best to wash your hands as soon as possible to remove the
residue.

--

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On 05/03/2020 10:17, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 18:04, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

'tain't going to work. All the advice is that 60% alcohol content is needed

But, of course, you only need the alcohol if you haven't got running
water available to wash your hands. The gel is sufficiently unpleasant
that it is best to wash your hands as soon as possible to remove the
residue.

That is in fact the point. If you want to really sterilise your hands,
wash them in bleach. Or Dettol or any other of a number of pretty
vicious anti-viral and anti-bacterial chemicals

Soap is pretty good. Its what surgeons use IIRC


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On 05/03/20 11:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/03/2020 10:17, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 18:04, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

'tain't going to work. All the advice is that 60% alcohol content is needed

But, of course, you only need the alcohol if you haven't got running
water available to wash your hands. The gel is sufficiently unpleasant
that it is best to wash your hands as soon as possible to remove the
residue.

That is in fact the point. If you want to really sterilise your hands,
wash them in bleach. Or Dettol or any other of a number of pretty
vicious anti-viral and anti-bacterial chemicals

Soap is pretty good. Its what surgeons use IIRC

They use Povidone-Iodine to sterilise their hands. Iodine acts similarly
to chlorine.

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 05/03/2020 10:17, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 18:04, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you
really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

'tain't going to work. All the advice is that 60% alcohol content is
needed

But, of course, you only need the alcohol if you haven't got running
water available to wash your hands. The gel is sufficiently unpleasant
that it is best to wash your hands as soon as possible to remove the
residue.

That is in fact the point. If you want to really sterilise your hands,
wash them in bleach. Or Dettol or any other of a number of pretty vicious
anti-viral and anti-bacterial chemicals

Soap is pretty good.

Just found out yesterday that the reason its
pretty good is that it gets rid of the fat and
oil on the hands which is a harbour for what
you want to avoid remaining on your hands.

Its what surgeons use IIRC

On 05/03/2020 10:17, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 18:04, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

'tain't going to work. All the advice is that 60% alcohol content is needed

But, of course, you only need the alcohol if you haven't got running
water available to wash your hands. The gel is sufficiently unpleasant
that it is best to wash your hands as soon as possible to remove the
residue.

just found four big bottles of the good stuff in the utility room...woo hoo

On 05/03/2020 11:57, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 05/03/2020 10:17, Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

On 04/03/2020 18:04, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
I'm going to just use fairy liquid. IPA dries skin out, not what you
really
want to do, the skin will crack.
Brian

'tain't going to work. All the advice is that 60% alcohol content is
needed

But, of course, you only need the alcohol if you haven't got running
water available to wash your hands.Â* The gel is sufficiently unpleasant
that it is best to wash your hands as soon as possible to remove the
residue.

just found four big bottles of the good stuff in the utility room...woo hoo

Buckies ?.