On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 07:37:01 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your time
outside the house in the garden

Mine has a little 'snick' you can lift on the way out if you haven't got
your keys in your pocket.

why not bury a set of keys in the garden or do the classic and hide them under a flower pot.

On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 12:16:45 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are happy
with that, and it self locks.


Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do this
*every* time?
Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by having a
hidden key outside somewhere.

I have 2 spare sets of keys that are left with local friends, that live less than 20mins walk away. I have their keys too.

On 04/03/2020 07:36, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your
time outside the house in the garden

Mine has a little 'snick' you can lift on the way out if you haven't got
your keys in your pocket.

Well I ditched all Yale type latches when I rebuilt the house. I have
door handles to latch the doors and chubbs to lock em

I certainly wouldn't carry my keys when gardening. Only when mowing or
using the mower as a tractor. Then they stay IN the mower.


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On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front door.
Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open once the
door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been required to
dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on
closing. All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?


It may come as a surprise to you but in many parts of the country we
donÅ’t feel the need to have locked doors when weÅ’re in the house.

Tim

Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.


Exactly. A latch to close it and a lock to comply with insurance when out.

My postman will, if there is a parcel that doesn't need signing for,
drop it inside the kitchen door if I am asleep.



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On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:16:41 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front
door. Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open
once the door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been
required to dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on
closing. All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?


It may come as a surprise to you but in many parts of the country we
donÅ’t feel the need to have locked doors when weÅ’re in the house.

Tim

Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

You are allowed to have a spring operated latch (nightlatch) only, if it
meets BS3621.

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On 04/03/2020 14:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:16:41 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front
door. Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open
once the door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been
required to dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on
closing. All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?


It may come as a surprise to you but in many parts of the country we
donÅ’t feel the need to have locked doors when weÅ’re in the house.

Tim

Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

You are allowed to have a spring operated latch (nightlatch) only, if it
meets BS3621.

Oh dear. You have totally missed the point.
The latch does not have to meet anything because the Chubb lock meets
BS3261.



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On 04/03/2020 14:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:16:41 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front
door. Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open
once the door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been
required to dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on
closing. All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?


It may come as a surprise to you but in many parts of the country we
donOt feel the need to have locked doors when weOre in the house.

Tim

Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

You are allowed to have a spring operated latch (nightlatch) only, if it
meets BS3621.


Oh dear. You have totally missed the point.
The latch does not have to meet anything because the Chubb lock meets BS3261.

Read it again. The comma is after "only"; meaning the nightllatch would be the
*only lock". In which case as stated, it would need to meet BS3621

If the comma had instead been after nighlatch, then indeed the statement would
have been incorrect as it stood; as quite possibly as you pointed out
there may have been another lock which already met BS3621.

However it wasn't after "nightlatch" but after "only", and so you're wrong.

Not that its any big deal as you should be well used to it by now.


michael adams

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On 04/03/2020 12:16, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are happy
with that, and it self locks.


Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do this
*every* time?
Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by having a
hidden key outside somewhere.


It's too complicated for me too, FWIW!

Where i've wanted a night latch type of lock i've used rollerbolt types,
can't lock yerself out but can easily lock the door behind you when
you're in.

On 02/03/2020 18:03, Chris Hogg wrote:

Er...I have a 'flat' Yale key on the outside door, e.g on the porch.
They work either way up (I've just checked).


He's bloody right!

It must be a bit crunchy with being new, or some crap got in there (some
rendering repair was done after the fit) and i'd convinced myself it
would only go in one way.

So, a bit less of a faff but i'm still not convinced!

First world problems though, eh?

whisky-dave wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Mine has a little 'snick' you can lift on the way out if you haven't got
your keys in your pocket.

why not bury a set of keys in the garden or do the classic and hide them under a flower pot.

Who's to say I haven't made that sort of arrangement? But I'd rather
not be seen clawing at the mud with my bare hands in a dressing gown,
just because I nipped out to get something from the car and the wind
blew the door shut ...

On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:17:23 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/03/2020 14:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:16:41 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
2035538870.604949465.409456.tim.downie-
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front
door. Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open
once the door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been
required to dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on
closing. All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?


It may come as a surprise to you but in many parts of the country we
donÅ’t feel the need to have locked doors when weÅ’re in the house.

Tim

Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

You are allowed to have a spring operated latch (nightlatch) only, if
it meets BS3621.

Oh dear. You have totally missed the point.
The latch does not have to meet anything because the Chubb lock meets
BS3261.

No, you have missed the point. But never mind.

Is it a flexible PVC Chubb lock?



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On 04/03/2020 21:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:17:23 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/03/2020 14:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:16:41 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
2035538870.604949465.409456.tim.downie-
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front
door. Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open
once the door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been
required to dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on
closing. All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?


It may come as a surprise to you but in many parts of the country we
donÅ’t feel the need to have locked doors when weÅ’re in the house.

Tim

Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

You are allowed to have a spring operated latch (nightlatch) only, if
it meets BS3621.

Oh dear. You have totally missed the point.
The latch does not have to meet anything because the Chubb lock meets
BS3261.

No, you have missed the point. But never mind.

Is it a flexible PVC Chubb lock?



I've never seen a chubb lock made out of flexible PVC. Have you?


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On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 03:21:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/03/2020 21:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 14:17:23 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/03/2020 14:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:16:41 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article 2035538870.604949465.409456.tim.downie-
,
Tim+ wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front
door. Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to
open once the door has been closed. An extra turn of the key
has been required to dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on
closing. All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?


It may come as a surprise to you but in many parts of the country
we donÅ’t feel the need to have locked doors when weÅ’re in the
house.

Tim

Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door
knobs/levers.

You are allowed to have a spring operated latch (nightlatch) only, if
it meets BS3621.

Oh dear. You have totally missed the point.
The latch does not have to meet anything because the Chubb lock meets
BS3261.

No, you have missed the point. But never mind.

Is it a flexible PVC Chubb lock?



I've never seen a chubb lock made out of flexible PVC. Have you?

No, but you mentioned BS3261 so I thiught that you must have.


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michael adams wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 04/03/2020 14:07, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:16:41 +0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article
2035538870.604949465.409456.tim.downie-gmail.com

, Tim+ wrote: Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front
door. Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open
once the door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been
required to dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on
closing. All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?


It may come as a surprise to you but in many parts of the country we
donOt feel the need to have locked doors when weOre in the house.

Tim

Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

You are allowed to have a spring operated latch (nightlatch) only, if it
meets BS3621.


Oh dear. You have totally missed the point.
The latch does not have to meet anything because the Chubb lock
meets BS3261.

Read it again. The comma is after "only"; meaning the nightllatch would be the
*only lock". In which case as stated, it would need to meet BS3621

But this whole sub-thread is about *avoiding* night latches because of
their inconvenient habit of locking one out. It started from the
premise that a night latch was a common solution.



If the comma had instead been after nighlatch, then indeed the statement would
have been incorrect as it stood; as quite possibly as you pointed out
there may have been another lock which already met BS3621.

However it wasn't after "nightlatch" but after "only", and so you're wrong.

Not that its any big deal as you should be well used to it by now.


michael adams

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In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are happy
with that, and it self locks.


Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do this
*every* time?

Must be. I've never locked myself out.

Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by having a
hidden key outside somewhere.

Good grief.

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In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

How many front doors have those?

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On 05/03/2020 11:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are happy
with that, and it self locks.

Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do this
*every* time?

Must be. I've never locked myself out.

Once. In 1969. And it was a B&B, so I just had to ring the bell.

Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by having a
hidden key outside somewhere.

Good grief.

Highly insecure. I suppose you could leave a key with a 'trusted'
neighbour and have them come and snoop.

(I think we are rare exceptions.)

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On Wednesday, 4 March 2020 19:44:34 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
whisky-dave wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Mine has a little 'snick' you can lift on the way out if you haven't got
your keys in your pocket.

why not bury a set of keys in the garden or do the classic and hide them under a flower pot.

Who's to say I haven't made that sort of arrangement? But I'd rather
not be seen clawing at the mud with my bare hands in a dressing gown,

So take it off then ;-)

just because I nipped out to get something from the car and the wind
blew the door shut ...

In 33 years I have only once locked myself out.

One morning I decided to save a bit of time and taking 2 bags of rubbish out
while leaving for work, the keys were on the inside as I'd unlocked the door,
as I walked through the door my coat pocket got snagged on the door handle pulling it closed behind me, leaving my keys on the inside.
I left for work then after work called in at my parents to get the spare set,
that was about 10 years ago.
After that I have never crossed the door threshold without my keys in my hand or pocket or pushing the handle up which latches the door so it won't close.

On Thursday, 5 March 2020 12:50:56 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 05/03/2020 11:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are happy
with that, and it self locks.

Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do this
*every* time?

Must be. I've never locked myself out.

Once. In 1969. And it was a B&B, so I just had to ring the bell.

Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by having a
hidden key outside somewhere.

Good grief.

Highly insecure. I suppose you could leave a key with a 'trusted'
neighbour and have them come and snoop.

I prefer to leave one with trusted friends.
I tend not to leave my house just wearing a dressing gown either.

Once a friend was delayed from holiday due to something sop was a day late
so she asked me to go and feed the cats, which I could only do because
I have her spare key and she has one of mine. We live about 15mins walk
from each other.

I wouldn't leave a key with a neighbour because if someone broke in to theirs and they find a key, they might assume and try the key in 'next door' just in case.




(I think we are rare exceptions.)

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On Thursday, 5 March 2020 12:50:56 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 05/03/2020 11:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are
happy
with that, and it self locks.

Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your
time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do this
*every* time?

Must be. I've never locked myself out.

Once. In 1969. And it was a B&B, so I just had to ring the bell.

Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by
having a
hidden key outside somewhere.

Good grief.

Highly insecure. I suppose you could leave a key with a 'trusted'
neighbour and have them come and snoop.

I prefer to leave one with trusted friends.
I tend not to leave my house just wearing a dressing gown either.

Once a friend was delayed from holiday due to something sop was a day late
so she asked me to go and feed the cats, which I could only do because
I have her spare key and she has one of mine. We live about 15mins walk
from each other.

I wouldn't leave a key with a neighbour because if someone broke in to
theirs and they find a key, they might assume and try the key in 'next
door' just in case.

I have my next door neighbours 2 keys on my keyring
because I used to feed their cats when they were
away for the winter every winter. There is no chance
that a burglar who grabbed my keys would think of
try my 10 keys in the neighbours locks.




(I think we are rare exceptions.)

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FLUSH senile asshole's troll****

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"Max Demian" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/03/2020 11:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are
happy
with that, and it self locks.

Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your
time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do this
*every* time?

Must be. I've never locked myself out.

Once. In 1969. And it was a B&B, so I just had to ring the bell.

Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by having
a
hidden key outside somewhere.

Good grief.

Highly insecure.

Depends on how its hidden. Very secure if its buried
somewhere and only used once a decade or so.

I suppose you could leave a key with a 'trusted' neighbour and have them
come and snoop.

But that can be a problem if they are away when you need them.

(I think we are rare exceptions.)

Not convinced. I have only been asked to help someone
who has locked themselves out a couple of times and I
am the one almost everyone I know who is asked to
help with almost everything else. And no one I know
uses the under the flower pot approach.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

How many front doors have those?

Mine for one. I do not like night latches.

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On 06/03/2020 08:24, Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Just have the door swinging open then if the only lock is a Chubb?

You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

How many front doors have those?

Mine for one. I do not like night latches.

All six of mine.

Front rear and sides.

They are all what it appears are called '5 lever sash locks'

https://www.locksonline.co.uk/Standa...yed-Alike.html

BS3621 standard

All self latching but not self locking.

Last one out goes round and checks they are all locked

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In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by having a
hidden key outside somewhere.

Good grief.

Highly insecure. I suppose you could leave a key with a 'trusted'
neighbour and have them come and snoop.

You'd normally swap keys with that trusted neighbour. So it would apply
both ways. Perhaps you could get them in to water the cannabis plants when
you're away?

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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
You are allowed to have a spring-operated latch and door knobs/levers.

How many front doors have those?

Mine for one. I do not like night latches.

All six of mine.

You have 6 front doors, eh?

Thought you were odd.

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On Thursday, 5 March 2020 16:50:07 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 5 March 2020 12:50:56 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 05/03/2020 11:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are
happy
with that, and it self locks.

Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half your
time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do this
*every* time?

Must be. I've never locked myself out.

Once. In 1969. And it was a B&B, so I just had to ring the bell.

Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by
having a
hidden key outside somewhere.

Good grief.

Highly insecure. I suppose you could leave a key with a 'trusted'
neighbour and have them come and snoop.

I prefer to leave one with trusted friends.
I tend not to leave my house just wearing a dressing gown either.

Once a friend was delayed from holiday due to something sop was a day late
so she asked me to go and feed the cats, which I could only do because
I have her spare key and she has one of mine. We live about 15mins walk
from each other.

I wouldn't leave a key with a neighbour because if someone broke in to
theirs and they find a key, they might assume and try the key in 'next
door' just in case.

I have my next door neighbours 2 keys on my keyring
because I used to feed their cats when they were
away for the winter every winter. There is no chance
that a burglar who grabbed my keys would think of
try my 10 keys in the neighbours locks.

Why not are your buglers more stupid than ours,
if he was watching while they were away (every winter) he would have seen you feeding the cats and known you had a a key.

On 05/03/2020 14:26, whisky-dave wrote:

In 33 years I have only once locked myself out.


There's some **** you only do once,

Let the door lock behind you,

Put unleaded in the diesel car,

Trap your cock end in your pants zip,

etc.

On 03/03/2020 09:46, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 03 Mar 2020 09:29:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on closing.
All require a key.

+1

Chris

+2

All my outer doors are double glazed PVC units with a modern locking
systems. Close the door; lift the handle to engage the several locking
points; turn the key one revolution; remove the key. No extra turn or
dead-locking. Older doors, with a single mortise lock or whatever,
might be different I suppose.


Bit of metal heated with a blowlamp, applied to the correct
part of the frame and you just melt your way in.

Crittall windows don't have this problem :-)

Or they just throw a suitable paving slab through the glass.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 March 2020 16:50:07 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Thursday, 5 March 2020 12:50:56 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 05/03/2020 11:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Our front door has a BS3621 Yale lock. The insurance company are
happy
with that, and it self locks.

Self locking is a nightmare in the country when you spend half
your
time
outside the house in the garden

Never known any night latch that can't be locked open.

But I'd guess that is too complicated for you?

Are you the kind of super-person who can actually remember to do
this
*every* time?

Must be. I've never locked myself out.

Once. In 1969. And it was a B&B, so I just had to ring the bell.

Most people are only saved a lot of money and inconvenience by
having a
hidden key outside somewhere.

Good grief.

Highly insecure. I suppose you could leave a key with a 'trusted'
neighbour and have them come and snoop.

I prefer to leave one with trusted friends.
I tend not to leave my house just wearing a dressing gown either.

Once a friend was delayed from holiday due to something sop was a day
late
so she asked me to go and feed the cats, which I could only do because
I have her spare key and she has one of mine. We live about 15mins walk
from each other.

I wouldn't leave a key with a neighbour because if someone broke in to
theirs and they find a key, they might assume and try the key in 'next
door' just in case.

I have my next door neighbours 2 keys on my keyring
because I used to feed their cats when they were
away for the winter every winter. There is no chance
that a burglar who grabbed my keys would think of
try my 10 keys in the neighbours locks.

Why not are your buglers more stupid than ours,

They arent. Even yours arent actually stupid enough
to try all the keys they find on a keyring in the house
they have just burgled in all the neighbours doors in
the very unlikely possibility that one might fit. It they
dont **** off with the the loot from your place, it
makes a lot more sense to break into the neighbours
place the same way they broke into yours, stupid.

if he was watching while they were away
(every winter) he would have seen you
feeding the cats and known you had a a key.

I was always careful to ensure that no one was
watching me do that. And my place is a lot harder
to break into than my neighbours, so any thief
would break into theirs anyway, not mine.

On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 04:45:23 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH troll****

04:45??? LOL And you just KEEP trolling ALL night long, yet again, eh, you
clinically insane 86-year-old trolling piece of ****! LOL

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whisky-dave wrote:
Why not are your buglers more stupid than ours,
...

There may have been a typo in your Last Post :-)

#Paul

On 06/03/2020 16:47, Andrew wrote:
On 03/03/2020 09:46, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 03 Mar 2020 09:29:47 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on closing.
All require a key.

+1

Chris

+2

All my outer doors are double glazed PVC units with a modern locking
systems. Close the door; lift the handle to engage the several locking
points; turn the key one revolution; remove the key. No extra turn or
dead-locking. Older doors, with a single mortise lock or whatever,
might be different I suppose.


Bit of metal heated with a blowlamp, applied to the correct
part of the frame and you just melt your way in.
My doors are solid wood, but some are glazed to the point where breaking
panes and unbolting them would be trivial

same for windows.

Or an angle grinder would work. No one would hear it

I don't have much if any valuable stuff.
As long as the insurance pays for what little I have



Crittall windows don't have this problem :-)

Or they just throw a suitable paving slab through the glass.



Prezactly.

If people want to get in and come with tools, they can.

Locks only deter random burglars


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On 05/03/2020 12:50, Max Demian wrote:

Highly insecure. I suppose you could leave a key with a 'trusted'
neighbour and have them come and snoop.

It depends where you hide the key.

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On 06/03/2020 16:11, whisky-dave wrote:


Why not are your buglers more stupid than ours,
if he was watching while they were away (every winter) he would have seen you feeding the cats and known you had a a key.


Unless you have something of high value worth stealing the average house
thief will be an opportunist and pick on the low hanging fruit. They
will not be watching your property day after day.

A dummy bell box or something as simple as an external light may make
your property a greater risk of being detected/caught than at the
property further down the road.

One of the more common occurrences with people who hang all their keys
on a common key rack is that the bugler with take the car key (or spare
car key) and the car will disappear later.


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On Fri, 06 Mar 2020 16:20:01 +0000, R D S wrote:

Let the door lock behind you,

Indeed. Then I installed a backup method of entry.

Put unleaded in the diesel car,

When I did that, I fitted a Fuel Angel to stop me doing it again.
Then I went to an unfamiliar garage and managed to defeat the Fuel Angel.

Trap your cock end in your pants zip,

Not done that. But the scene from Something About Mary is graven on my
memory: "We've got a bleeder!"



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On Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:13:58 +0000, #Paul wrote:

whisky-dave wrote:
Why not are your buglers more stupid than ours,
...

There may have been a typo in your Last Post :-)

I thought he was just blowing his own trumpet.



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On 06/03/2020 23:27, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:13:58 +0000, #Paul wrote:

whisky-dave wrote:
Why not are your buglers more stupid than ours,
...

There may have been a typo in your Last Post :-)

I thought he was just blowing his own trumpet.



bona...a nice trick if you can do it ....