I feel as if modern keys promote failure to ensure the successful
locking of a door on *every* occasion.

I'm super vigilant of late but some years ago I was surprised how many
times I was getting home to discover the front door wasn't actually locked.
I can only presume it was down to that extra turn they need, which if
you don't and further don't try the handle, fail.

Just had a new door on at work, it's a Yale lock, a stupid flat key that
you can't distinguish which way around it is to ensure you get in the
right way first time and it only comes out horizontal, which after you
give it a good old turn, needs turning back on itself to get the
frigging key out.

R D S wrote:

I feel as if modern keys promote failure to ensure the successful
locking of a door on *every* occasion.

I can only presume it was down to that extra turn they need, which if
you don't and further don't try the handle, fail.

Most euro locks will lock without turning the key, they need the extra
turn to deadlock.

R D S wrote

I feel as if modern keys promote failure to ensure the successful locking
of a door on *every* occasion.

The best of the electronic locks dont.

I'm super vigilant of late but some years ago I was surprised how many
times I was getting home to discover the front door wasn't actually
locked.

Never happens to me.

I can only presume it was down to that extra turn they need,

Mine dont.

which if you don't and further don't try the handle, fail.

Just had a new door on at work, it's a Yale lock, a stupid flat key that
you can't distinguish which way around it is to ensure you get in the
right way first time and it only comes out horizontal, which after you
give it a good old turn, needs turning back on itself to get the frigging
key out.

You should have got a decent electronic lock instead.

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On 02/03/2020 17:21, R D S wrote:
I feel as if modern keys promote failure to ensure the successful
locking of a door on *every* occasion.

I'm super vigilant of late but some years ago I was surprised how many
times I was getting home to discover the front door wasn't actually locked.
I can only presume it was down to that extra turn they need, which if
you don't and further don't try the handle, fail.

Just had a new door on at work, it's a Yale lock, a stupid flat key that
you can't distinguish which way around it is to ensure you get in the
right way first time and it only comes out horizontal, which after you
give it a good old turn, needs turning back on itself to get the
frigging key out.


You just have to get used to it. It's your lack of familiarity that's
the problem. I went through the same thing myself.

Bill

All the same why change from a convention which everyone understood, to a
weird convoluted system?
Brian

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On 02/03/2020 17:21, R D S wrote:
I feel as if modern keys promote failure to ensure the successful locking
of a door on *every* occasion.

I'm super vigilant of late but some years ago I was surprised how many
times I was getting home to discover the front door wasn't actually
locked.
I can only presume it was down to that extra turn they need, which if you
don't and further don't try the handle, fail.

Just had a new door on at work, it's a Yale lock, a stupid flat key that
you can't distinguish which way around it is to ensure you get in the
right way first time and it only comes out horizontal, which after you
give it a good old turn, needs turning back on itself to get the frigging
key out.


You just have to get used to it. It's your lack of familiarity that's the
problem. I went through the same thing myself.

Bill

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

All the same why change from a convention which everyone understood, to a
weird convoluted system?

To make it harder for the scrotes to get thru it.

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On 02/03/2020 17:21, R D S wrote:
I feel as if modern keys promote failure to ensure the successful
locking of a door on *every* occasion.

I'm super vigilant of late but some years ago I was surprised how many
times I was getting home to discover the front door wasn't actually
locked.
I can only presume it was down to that extra turn they need, which if
you don't and further don't try the handle, fail.

Just had a new door on at work, it's a Yale lock, a stupid flat key that
you can't distinguish which way around it is to ensure you get in the
right way first time and it only comes out horizontal, which after you
give it a good old turn, needs turning back on itself to get the
frigging key out.


You just have to get used to it. It's your lack of familiarity that's the
problem. I went through the same thing myself.

Bill

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On 02/03/2020 21:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
All the same why change from a convention which everyone understood, to a
weird convoluted system?
Brian



The change from traditional to the flat type of key is to do with the
ease with which the locks with traditional keys can be "picked" by
people with no skill by using a device available cheaply on Ebay. It is
debatable if a thief would bother with a lock rather than kicking in a
door panel or smashing a window.

I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front door.
Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open once the
door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been required to dead
lock it.

Other doors (back doors) may have locks of the type that do require the
key to be used to lock it. Usually fitted so that you cannot
accidentally lock yourself out just going into the garden.

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On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front door.
Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open once the
door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been required to dead
lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on closing.
All require a key.


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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on closing.
All require a key.

+1

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On 02/03/2020 22:10, alan_m wrote:
I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front door.
Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open once the
door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been required to
dead lock it.

I run 100% on chubb type locks. No door in this house locks on closing.
All require a key.

Live on your own, then? Or just don't care about other's safety?

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On 02/03/20 22:10, alan_m wrote:
On 02/03/2020 21:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
All the same why change from a convention which everyone understood, to a
weird convoluted system?
Brian



The change from traditional to the flat type of key is to do with the
ease with which the locks with traditional keys can be "picked" by
people with no skill by using a device available cheaply on Ebay. It is
debatable if a thief would bother with a lock rather than kicking in a
door panel or smashing a window.

I do wonder if the OP has the right type of lock on his front door.
Every lock I've had on front doors has needed a key to open once the
door has been closed. An extra turn of the key has been required to dead
lock it.

Indeed. That type of lock is called a "night latch"
(https://www.locksmiths.co.uk/faq/night-latches-guide/). When we had
an old wooden front door changed to PVC, the company fitted a "non-night
latch" door which required a key to lock. We hated it and got a night
latch fitted (a strangely awkward change as the handle mechanism for
night latch locks was in a different place!).

Other doors (back doors) may have locks of the type that do require the
key to be used to lock it. Usually fitted so that you cannot
accidentally lock yourself out just going into the garden.

Same here.

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Yes absolute stupidity. there is a modern lock on my back gate that you
cannot get the key out of unless you get it just right.

Brian

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"R D S" wrote in message
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I feel as if modern keys promote failure to ensure the successful locking
of a door on *every* occasion.

I'm super vigilant of late but some years ago I was surprised how many
times I was getting home to discover the front door wasn't actually
locked.
I can only presume it was down to that extra turn they need, which if you
don't and further don't try the handle, fail.

Just had a new door on at work, it's a Yale lock, a stupid flat key that
you can't distinguish which way around it is to ensure you get in the
right way first time and it only comes out horizontal, which after you
give it a good old turn, needs turning back on itself to get the frigging
key out.

On 02/03/2020 18:03, Chris Hogg wrote:

Er...I have a 'flat' Yale key on the outside door, e.g on the porch.
They work either way up (I've just checked).


He's bloody right!

It must be a bit crunchy with being new, or some crap got in there (some
rendering repair was done after the fit) and i'd convinced myself it
would only go in one way.

So, a bit less of a faff but i'm still not convinced!

First world problems though, eh?