On 23/09/2019 15:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just a quick sanity check - are you testing this with a hard drive or
other boot media connected?
I've had hard drives with corrupt boot sectors cause this symptom in the
past...

With absolutely nothing connected, saving the BIOS page results in not
being able to even get to that again. Except by removing/replacing the
battery. Then the whole cycle repeats.


Fair enough.

Sort of smells like a motherboard power issue, as others have alluded
to. Don't know how far you'd get trouble shooting that though.

In article ,
Lee wrote:
On 23/09/2019 15:08, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just a quick sanity check - are you testing this with a hard drive or
other boot media connected?
I've had hard drives with corrupt boot sectors cause this symptom in the
past...

With absolutely nothing connected, saving the BIOS page results in not
being able to even get to that again. Except by removing/replacing the
battery. Then the whole cycle repeats.


Fair enough.

Sort of smells like a motherboard power issue, as others have alluded
to. Don't know how far you'd get trouble shooting that though.

I did once have a laptop repaired. They removed the offending chip,
cleaned and re-soldered. A known problem on that laptop. But such things
beyond my paygrade even if I knew what the fault was. ;-)

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 23/09/2019 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 23/09/2019 11:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
It also has a DigiGram audio card that has balanced in outs as well as
the various digital options. And a video capture card. I'm rather wary
of the costs of updating all of those.

Have you tried removing both those cards, and shorting the 'reset cmos'
pins, then trying to boot it again with minimal hardware ?.

It's totally stripped down. Only the main SSD and the video card (for DVI)
in place. And I've tried the video card in another machine - it's OK.

I'll try and find out how to reset the CMOS. No idea where the manual is -
I might have to Google.


My Gigabyte M/B puts the CLR_CMOS pins next to one of the
PCIe slots. It is helpfully marked in big white capitals
CLR CMOS !!.

It is just a pair of pins with 0.1 spacing and no header
(obviously). You have to power the PC off and unplug it
before shorting the pins, so you might look for a lone
pair of pins and just short them together for a few seconds.

Since you must do this with the power off, short out all
lone pairs of pins.

My Manual says :-

"Use this jumper to clear the CMS values (eg date info
*and* BIOS configurations) and reset to factory defaults.
To clear the CMOS values, place a jumper on the two pins
or use a metal object like a screwdriver for a few seconds

After restart, goto BIOS setup to load factory defaults"

On 23/09/2019 18:23, Andrew wrote:
On 23/09/2019 13:57, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Andrew wrote:
On 23/09/2019 11:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
It also has a DigiGram audio card that has balanced in outs as well as
the various digital options. And a video capture card. I'm rather wary
of the costs of updating all of those.

Have you tried removing both those cards, and shorting the 'reset cmos'
pins, then trying to boot it again with minimal hardware ?.

It's totally stripped down. Only the main SSD and the video card (for
DVI)
in place. And I've tried the video card in another machine - it's OK.

I'll try and find out how to reset the CMOS. No idea where the manual
is -
I might have to Google.


My Gigabyte M/B puts the CLR_CMOS pins next to one of the
PCIe slots. It is helpfully marked in big white capitals
CLR CMOS !!.

It is just a pair of pins with 0.1 spacing and no header
(obviously).Â* You have to power the PC off and unplug it
before shorting the pins, so you might look for a lone
pair of pins and just short them together for a few seconds.

Since you must do this with the power off, short out all
lone pairs of pins.

My Manual says :-

"Use this jumper to clear the CMS values (eg date info
*and* BIOS configurations) and reset to factory defaults.
To clear the CMOS values, place a jumper on the two pins
or use a metal object like a screwdriver for a few seconds

After restart, goto BIOS setup to loadÂ* factory defaults"




googling shows an ASUS FAQ where the 2 pins are marked CLRTC
and not CLR_CMOS as Gigabyte uses. It's at the bottom right
of the board, next to another row of headers.

Dave Plowman wrote:

No beeps at all at power up. When you save the BIOS, IIRC, the
machine would normally re-boot.

Has it got a beeper on board, or a speaker connected ... sounds like
faulty CMOS, you did say you'd replaced the coin-cell?

On 23/09/2019 16:40, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I did once have a laptop repaired. They removed the offending chip,
cleaned and re-soldered. A known problem on that laptop. But such things
beyond my paygrade even if I knew what the fault was. ;-)


I repaired my old yoga s1 a few weeks ago, bought a second hand MB off ebay,

easy,

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On 23/09/2019 06:38, jeikppkywk wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
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On 22/09/2019 17:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/09/2019 16:36, Andrew wrote:
On 22/09/2019 14:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The new PS arrived. It's not that. ;-)

Stripped the thing down and cleaned everything. The Asus board I have
is
known to have a problem with the chipset cooling, so removed that and
cleaned and applied new paste. Battery was at about 2v so replaced
that
too.

It fired up and selected the BOIS page. But on configuring, saving
and
exit, back to not firing up at all.

So looks like an MB failure?

I'd just buy a new motherboard, but this machine is configured for my
needs including a Serial port and not sure many new ones have this?


Going the same way as Firewire and parallel ports I'm afraid.

Hoever Lindy will do you a serial parallel card that will plug into
most motherboard slots

Latest Intel M/Bs don't have PCI slots any longer,

But most have pcie slots.

which means the cheapest combo serial/parallel cards that once could be
bought for less than £10 are obsolete

But pcie serial port cards arent.

But you wont be able to buy those for anywhere near the rock-bottom price
that PCI serial cards were on sale for.

Plenty on aliexpress and alibaba for similar prices.

Startech do sell a conversion riser card that plugs into a PCIe
slot, and allows a PCI card to piggy back onto it for anyone who
is desparate to keep using an old specialist PCI card in use.

That would be a mad approach compared with a pcie serial card.

At least you can still get combo PCI cards to provide a
serial port and parallel port though. Whether the latest
bios could cope is another matter.

Bios dont have to
OS will pick it up


Rubbish. The OS needs the bios to use the hardware

No it does not. It is free to have a driver for the hardware.

On 23/09/2019 11:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
On 22/09/2019 14:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The new PS arrived. It's not that. ;-)

Stripped the thing down and cleaned everything. The Asus board I have is
known to have a problem with the chipset cooling, so removed that and
cleaned and applied new paste. Battery was at about 2v so replaced that
too.

It fired up and selected the BOIS page. But on configuring, saving and
exit, back to not firing up at all.

So looks like an MB failure?

I'd just buy a new motherboard, but this machine is configured for my
needs including a Serial port and not sure many new ones have this?

Quite a few still do, if only as a header for connection to a backplate
mounted socket (not usually supplied). Last month I bought a motherboard
as part of my eldest son's birthday present, that had one and it is a
modern one for a Ryzen processor.

Interesting. That is what this one has - Com1 being merely a socket on the
MB. So I have the adaptor unit. But finding out what MBs include this
today seems difficult (I've only really looked on the CPC site - most of
the others seem fixated on gaming machines)

I bought from Scan. Not only are they a mail order company, but they are
only about 12 miles from me and have a full walk-in shop there and I am
also about 6 miles from Aria. There was no mention of a serial port on
Scan's website, although it is mentioned on the manufacturer's site -
and it is definitely there, as I was surprised when we found it!

It also has a DigiGram audio card that has balanced in outs as well as the
various digital options. And a video capture card. I'm rather wary of the
costs of updating all of those.

I have only used an external, USB video capture card. As for sound, I
only use the PC sound for trivial things, so I have never needed a
decent audio card.

SteveW

On 23/09/2019 16:03, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 23/09/2019 11:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
It also has a DigiGram audio card that has balanced in outs as well as the
various digital options. And a video capture card. I'm rather wary of the
costs of updating all of those.

Have you tried removing both those cards, and shorting the
'reset cmos' pins, then trying to boot it again with minimal
hardware ?.

Found how to by Googling, but it implied all this does is cancel the time
and date settings. Which removing the battery does anyway. But tried it.

Same result.

Rather than going to the BIOS page, I just let it run, and it did boot
normally. Shut it down properly, then switched on again. Nothing - no beep.

I've bought a used identical MB off Ebay for not a lot, so hope that will
give me a few more years.

Just for info the current one is an Asus AN8-SLI Delux. Never got round to
using the RAID facility on it.

I'd be happy to buy a brand new one if I could be sure all my cards etc
would work with it. But not sure what to go for.

It's getting harder to find socket 939 boards these days and it'd be
pricey to upgrade, as you'd need new processor and memory as well (and
you'd have to watch out as many motherboards are dropping straight PCI
slots now).

It cost around £425 for my son's Ryzen 5 3600, MSI A470 Gaming Plus
motherboard and a pair of 8Gb DDR4 memory sticks. He only got it as it
was his 16th birthday, he'd just passed his GCSEs and I could have the
old motherboard, AMD FX8350 processor and DDR3 ram, so offsetting the
cost a bit.

Used was probably your best bet.

SteveW

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 05:45:17 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


But you wont be able to buy those for anywhere near the rock-bottom price
that PCI serial cards were on sale for.

Plenty on aliexpress and alibaba for similar prices.

In auto-contradicting mode again, senile idiot? tsk

Startech do sell a conversion riser card that plugs into a PCIe
slot, and allows a PCI card to piggy back onto it for anyone who
is desparate to keep using an old specialist PCI card in use.

That would be a mad approach compared with a pcie serial card.

Are you an asshole or what, senile Ozzietard?

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"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
I'll try and find out how to reset the CMOS. No idea where the manual is -
I might have to Google.


My Gigabyte M/B puts the CLR_CMOS pins next to one of the
PCIe slots. It is helpfully marked in big white capitals
CLR CMOS !!.

It is just a pair of pins with 0.1 spacing and no header
(obviously). You have to power the PC off and unplug it
before shorting the pins, so you might look for a lone
pair of pins and just short them together for a few seconds.

Since you must do this with the power off, short out all
lone pairs of pins.

My Manual says :-

"Use this jumper to clear the CMS values (eg date info
*and* BIOS configurations) and reset to factory defaults.
To clear the CMOS values, place a jumper on the two pins
or use a metal object like a screwdriver for a few seconds

After restart, goto BIOS setup to load factory defaults"

By removing/replacing the battery, I can already get to the BIOS page and
click on restore defaults. But as soon as I save the BIOS setting,,back to
the fault condition.

Found the CMOS reset jumpers. Same result.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 23/09/2019 20:45, jeikppkywk wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 23/09/2019 06:38, jeikppkywk wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 22/09/2019 17:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/09/2019 16:36, Andrew wrote:
On 22/09/2019 14:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The new PS arrived. It's not that. ;-)

Stripped the thing down and cleaned everything. The Asus board I
have is
known to have a problem with the chipset cooling, so removed that
and
cleaned and applied new paste. Battery was at about 2v so
replaced that
too.

It fired up and selected the BOIS page. But on configuring,
saving and
exit, back to not firing up at all.

So looks like an MB failure?

I'd just buy a new motherboard, but this machine is configured
for my
needs including a Serial port and not sure many new ones have this?


Going the same way as Firewire and parallel ports I'm afraid.

Hoever Lindy will do you a serial parallel card that will plug into
most motherboard slots

Latest Intel M/Bs don't have PCI slots any longer,

But most have pcie slots.

which means the cheapest combo serial/parallel cards that once could
be bought for less than £10 are obsolete

But pcie serial port cards arent.

But you wont be able to buy those for anywhere near the rock-bottom
price that PCI serial cards were on sale for.

Plenty on aliexpress and alibaba for similar prices.

Startech do sell a conversion riser card that plugs into a PCIe
slot, and allows a PCI card to piggy back onto it for anyone who
is desparate to keep using an old specialist PCI card in use.

That would be a mad approach compared with a pcie serial card.

There are specialist cards that were only ever made in PCI
variant.


At least you can still get combo PCI cards to provide a
serial port and parallel port though. Whether the latest
bios could cope is another matter.

Bios dont have to
OS will pick it up


Rubbish. The OS needs the bios to use the hardware

No it does not. It is free to have a driver for the hardware.

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
It also has a DigiGram audio card that has balanced in outs as well as the
various digital options. And a video capture card. I'm rather wary of the
costs of updating all of those.

I have only used an external, USB video capture card. As for sound, I
only use the PC sound for trivial things, so I have never needed a
decent audio card.

In the day, I use to edit up things on the PC and transfer to my 360
systems Shortcut for playback at a later date. Being able to plug any bit
of audio gear in and outs easily was very useful.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 24/09/2019 14:19, Andrew wrote:
There are specialist cards that were only ever made in PCI
variant.

But that is a straw man, The man wants a single serial and parallel port

https://www.amazon.co.uk/StarTech-co.../dp/B0041UEFXI

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"Andrew" wrote in message
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On 23/09/2019 20:45, jeikppkywk wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
...
On 23/09/2019 06:38, jeikppkywk wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
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On 22/09/2019 17:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/09/2019 16:36, Andrew wrote:
On 22/09/2019 14:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The new PS arrived. It's not that. ;-)

Stripped the thing down and cleaned everything. The Asus board I
have is
known to have a problem with the chipset cooling, so removed that
and
cleaned and applied new paste. Battery was at about 2v so replaced
that
too.

It fired up and selected the BOIS page. But on configuring, saving
and
exit, back to not firing up at all.

So looks like an MB failure?

I'd just buy a new motherboard, but this machine is configured for
my
needs including a Serial port and not sure many new ones have this?


Going the same way as Firewire and parallel ports I'm afraid.

Hoever Lindy will do you a serial parallel card that will plug into
most motherboard slots

Latest Intel M/Bs don't have PCI slots any longer,

But most have pcie slots.

which means the cheapest combo serial/parallel cards that once could
be bought for less than £10 are obsolete

But pcie serial port cards arent.

But you wont be able to buy those for anywhere near the rock-bottom
price that PCI serial cards were on sale for.

Plenty on aliexpress and alibaba for similar prices.

Startech do sell a conversion riser card that plugs into a PCIe
slot, and allows a PCI card to piggy back onto it for anyone who
is desparate to keep using an old specialist PCI card in use.

That would be a mad approach compared with a pcie serial card.

There are specialist cards that were only ever made in PCI
variant.

But plenty of serial ports in pcie format.

At least you can still get combo PCI cards to provide a
serial port and parallel port though. Whether the latest
bios could cope is another matter.

Bios dont have to
OS will pick it up


Rubbish. The OS needs the bios to use the hardware

No it does not. It is free to have a driver for the hardware.

On 23/09/2019 16:03, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 23/09/2019 11:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
It also has a DigiGram audio card that has balanced in outs as well as the
various digital options. And a video capture card. I'm rather wary of the
costs of updating all of those.

Have you tried removing both those cards, and shorting the
'reset cmos' pins, then trying to boot it again with minimal
hardware ?.

Found how to by Googling, but it implied all this does is cancel the time
and date settings. Which removing the battery does anyway. But tried it.

Same result.

Rather than going to the BIOS page, I just let it run, and it did boot
normally. Shut it down properly, then switched on again. Nothing - no beep.

I've bought a used identical MB off Ebay for not a lot, so hope that will
give me a few more years.

Just for info the current one is an Asus AN8-SLI Delux. Never got round to
using the RAID facility on it.

I'd be happy to buy a brand new one if I could be sure all my cards etc
would work with it. But not sure what to go for.

Your best bet if you want a simple life and don't need too many PCI
slots is to look for something secondhand from the likes of Morgan.
Corporate boxes with PCI in the i7 3770 series are relatively cheap.

Big ugly ones go for lower prices but are quite rare. Most are SFF or
USFF (the latter lacking enough expansion slots).

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Regards,
Martin Brown

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 09:42:23 +1000, jeikppkywk, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


There are specialist cards that were only ever made in PCI
variant.

But plenty of serial ports in pcie format.

You KNOW already what you can do with your serial ports and your pci's,
right, senile asshole? BG

--
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"You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates
your particular prowess at it every day."
MID:

Martin Brown wrote:

Your best bet if you want a simple life [...]

Dave seems to have fixed the problem by buying a similar motherboard ...

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:

Your best bet if you want a simple life [...]

Dave seems to have fixed the problem by buying a similar motherboard ...

But for how long. ;-) Googling shows this particular MB has a fair share
of problems.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman wrote:

Googling shows this particular MB has a fair share
of problems.

When I had similar problems with two (different) Asus boards, I switched
to AsRock (though I gather the former now owns the latter) and no
problems since, have received BIOS updates for about 5 years (mainly due
to spectre microcode fixes)

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Googling shows this particular MB has a fair share
of problems.

When I had similar problems with two (different) Asus boards, I switched
to AsRock (though I gather the former now owns the latter) and no
problems since, have received BIOS updates for about 5 years (mainly due
to spectre microcode fixes)

I'll keep that in mind since none of the makes really means much to me
anyway. Except from recognising ASUS.

The original likely did some 10 years plus. A long time these days.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 26/09/2019 15:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Googling shows this particular MB has a fair share
of problems.

When I had similar problems with two (different) Asus boards, I switched
to AsRock (though I gather the former now owns the latter) and no
problems since, have received BIOS updates for about 5 years (mainly due
to spectre microcode fixes)

I'll keep that in mind since none of the makes really means much to me
anyway. Except from recognising ASUS.

The original likely did some 10 years plus. A long time these days.


If you are running W7 then a new M/B is one of the things that
might cause issues with m$soft, unless your copy of W7 was a full
retail version.

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 26/09/2019 15:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Googling shows this particular MB has a fair share
of problems.

When I had similar problems with two (different) Asus boards, I switched
to AsRock (though I gather the former now owns the latter) and no
problems since, have received BIOS updates for about 5 years (mainly due
to spectre microcode fixes)

I'll keep that in mind since none of the makes really means much to me
anyway. Except from recognising ASUS.

The original likely did some 10 years plus. A long time these days.


If you are running W7 then a new M/B is one of the things that
might cause issues with m$soft, unless your copy of W7 was a full
retail version.

It is. But I did get a warning, which seemed to go on its own and not come
back. I was expecting to have to reinit W7.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 27/09/2019 16:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 26/09/2019 15:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Googling shows this particular MB has a fair share
of problems.

When I had similar problems with two (different) Asus boards, I switched
to AsRock (though I gather the former now owns the latter) and no
problems since, have received BIOS updates for about 5 years (mainly due
to spectre microcode fixes)

I'll keep that in mind since none of the makes really means much to me
anyway. Except from recognising ASUS.

The original likely did some 10 years plus. A long time these days.


If you are running W7 then a new M/B is one of the things that
might cause issues with m$soft, unless your copy of W7 was a full
retail version.

It is. But I did get a warning, which seemed to go on its own and not come
back. I was expecting to have to reinit W7.

If you had to sort it out, a call to Microsoft, explaining that your
motherboard had failed and you'd replaced it with an identical or even
similar one would get it re-licenced.

Telling them that the PSU failed and cooked the motherboard and you've
had to replace motherboard, processor and memory (with a 5 years newer
design) seems to be okay even!

SteveW

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
If you are running W7 then a new M/B is one of the things that
might cause issues with m$soft, unless your copy of W7 was a full
retail version.

It is. But I did get a warning, which seemed to go on its own and not come
back. I was expecting to have to reinit W7.

If you had to sort it out, a call to Microsoft, explaining that your
motherboard had failed and you'd replaced it with an identical or even
similar one would get it re-licenced.

Telling them that the PSU failed and cooked the motherboard and you've
had to replace motherboard, processor and memory (with a 5 years newer
design) seems to be okay even!

When I built a second PC back in the day, I cloned the HD of the first one
to save the effort of loading in all the extra software. Didn't have a
problem then either. ;-) Even with then talking to one another.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 27/09/2019 17:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
If you are running W7 then a new M/B is one of the things that
might cause issues with m$soft, unless your copy of W7 was a full
retail version.

It is. But I did get a warning, which seemed to go on its own and not come
back. I was expecting to have to reinit W7.

If you had to sort it out, a call to Microsoft, explaining that your
motherboard had failed and you'd replaced it with an identical or even
similar one would get it re-licenced.

Telling them that the PSU failed and cooked the motherboard and you've
had to replace motherboard, processor and memory (with a 5 years newer
design) seems to be okay even!

When I built a second PC back in the day, I cloned the HD of the first one
to save the effort of loading in all the extra software. Didn't have a
problem then either. ;-) Even with then talking to one another.


I'm a bit surprised that you don't have to competely reinstall W7
from scratch. Is the 'new' motherboard exactly the same spec as
the old one ?.

On 2019-09-27 11:41 a.m., Andrew wrote:
On 27/09/2019 17:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Steve Walker wrote:
If you are running W7 then a new M/B is one of the things that
might cause issues with m$soft, unless your copy of W7 was a full
retail version.

It is. But I did get a warning, which seemed to go on its own and
not come
back. I was expecting to have to reinit W7.

If you had to sort it out, a call to Microsoft, explaining that your
motherboard had failed and you'd replaced it with an identical or even
similar one would get it re-licenced.

Telling them that the PSU failed and cooked the motherboard and you've
had to replace motherboard, processor and memory (with a 5 years newer
design) seems to be okay even!

When I built a second PC back in the day, I cloned the HD of the first
one
to save the effort of loading in all the extra software. Didn't have a
problem then either. ;-) Even with then talking to one another.


I'm a bit surprised that you don't have to competely reinstall W7
from scratch. Is the 'new' motherboard exactly the same spec as
the old one ?.

plug one drive into the other , off you go

On 27/09/2019 19:41, Andrew wrote:

I'm a bit surprised that you don't have to competely reinstall W7
from scratch. Is the 'new' motherboard exactly the same spec as
the old one ?.

When I swapped the SSD from one laptop to another I didn't have a
problem even though one was AMD and the other Intel.

That was win10 though.

Its still going on the AMD after I cloned the intel SSD onto a new SSD
and put the old one back in the AMD laptop.

Win10 doesn't care it just sorts it out on the first boot and then
checks for updates.

They didn't have much in common..

The old one AMD is a Medion 1gHz AMD A4 CPU 2G RAM (IIRC)

The intel one is a Lenovo yoga S1 with touch screen and wacom digitizer
built in.

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
When I built a second PC back in the day, I cloned the HD of the first one
to save the effort of loading in all the extra software. Didn't have a
problem then either. ;-) Even with then talking to one another.


I'm a bit surprised that you don't have to competely reinstall W7
from scratch. Is the 'new' motherboard exactly the same spec as
the old one ?.

Never needed to do that. But I did buy a legit full version to start with.

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On 27/09/2019 17:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
If you are running W7 then a new M/B is one of the things that
might cause issues with m$soft, unless your copy of W7 was a full
retail version.

It is. But I did get a warning, which seemed to go on its own and not
come
back. I was expecting to have to reinit W7.

If you had to sort it out, a call to Microsoft, explaining that your
motherboard had failed and you'd replaced it with an identical or even
similar one would get it re-licenced.

Telling them that the PSU failed and cooked the motherboard and you've
had to replace motherboard, processor and memory (with a 5 years newer
design) seems to be okay even!

When I built a second PC back in the day, I cloned the HD of the first
one
to save the effort of loading in all the extra software. Didn't have a
problem then either. ;-) Even with then talking to one another.


I'm a bit surprised that you don't have to competely reinstall W7
from scratch. Is the 'new' motherboard exactly the same spec as
the old one ?.

Unlikely given that he said it said it was updating drivers.

And even if it wont boot, a repair install will fix that problem.

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 13:40:03 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Unlikely given that he said it said it was updating drivers.

Senile pest, you need your medication and your senile brain updated!

How about this:
https://thetravellingtiles.files.wor...b6f9820001.jpg

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On 27/09/2019 19:44, % wrote:
On 2019-09-27 11:41 a.m., Andrew wrote:
On 27/09/2019 17:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Steve Walker wrote:
If you are running W7 then a new M/B is one of the things that
might cause issues with m$soft, unless your copy of W7 was a full
retail version.

It is. But I did get a warning, which seemed to go on its own and
not come
back. I was expecting to have to reinit W7.

If you had to sort it out, a call to Microsoft, explaining that your
motherboard had failed and you'd replaced it with an identical or even
similar one would get it re-licenced.

Telling them that the PSU failed and cooked the motherboard and you've
had to replace motherboard, processor and memory (with a 5 years newer
design) seems to be okay even!

When I built a second PC back in the day, I cloned the HD of the
first one
to save the effort of loading in all the extra software. Didn't have a
problem then either. ;-) Even with then talking to one another.


I'm a bit surprised that you don't have to competely reinstall W7
from scratch. Is the 'new' motherboard exactly the same spec as
the old one ?.

plug one drive into the other , off you go

Even if you go from an Intel M/B to an AMD M/B ?