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I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some
poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? |
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R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. Pehaps worth sorting out the manholes - not as big a job as you may fear. |
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On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote:
In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. That might apply to new builds but as a replacement for an existing concrete slab? -- Adam |
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On 10/01/19 18:19, charles wrote:
In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. Maybe if you are doing one from scratch, but what if you are replacing one impermeable surface (concrete) by another (resin)? Is there a difference if the resin in laid on top of the concrete, or the concreter removed first and the resin laid on a prepared base? If the latter, do the base and resin have to be permeable? -- Jeff |
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On 10/01/2019 18:00, R D S wrote:
I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? Depends a bit on what you mean by resin... there are several variations. E.g: http://www.pavingexpert.com/resin.htm Not tried it myself, but can see it ought to be DIYable. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote:
In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. *or* have drains to a soakaway *or* slope so that the rain drains onto the owner's land. You absolutely CAN have any surface you like - you just have to make sure rain goes into the ground. -- Email does not work |
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On Thursday, 10 January 2019 18:00:49 UTC, R D S wrote:
I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? no need to fear doing blockwork round oddly angled drains. NT |
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On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote:
In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. Non-permeable surfaces are allowed, but they must drain to a soakaway. SteveW |
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Steve Walker writes: On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. Non-permeable surfaces are allowed, but they must drain to a soakaway. You now need planning permission to install a non-permeable driveway, in order for the local water authority to be brought into the loop to confirm your plans for drainage are acceptable to them (e.g. soakaways have to be set well back from your boundary, and many gardens aren't big enough for that). A recent new build near me had some interesting problems with this, as they didn't have enough garden left around the house to handle the rain water soaking in. Water authority made them install a giant underground grey water tank (which can be up to the boundary), and I believe the house has to use this for things like toilet flushing. It overflows into the street surface water drainage, but they are charged for doing that. For the last several years, water authorities have the right to charge you for rain water run-off from your land. They've been going around all the commerical properties adding that levy to the water bill, but AFAIK haven't started on residential properties yet except when some relevant modification has taken place. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:00:06 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Steve Walker writes: On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. Note the above - the drive is not being done. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. Its not the drive. Non-permeable surfaces are allowed, but they must drain to a soakaway. You now need planning permission to install a non-permeable driveway, Its not the drive that is being done. But for the OP I'd say that it would be better to hire a Stihl saw and cut the paving around the manholes if they cannot be easily repositioned more 'squarely'. The job will look a lot better. |
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On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote:
In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. The key phrase was 'back of our house'. There is nothing in building regs to dictate what you can do in your back garden. Only if your front garden (that leads onto a highway) slopes towards the road, are you supposed to install a drainage system to prvent surface water spilling onto the highway. In my village I have seen at least 6 houses block pave their front garden and no attempt to provide drainage, by a company (pikey-sounding) who probably undercuts a local tradesman who does a proper job. |
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Well I wish somebody would tell our council then as they simply concreted
the whole lot. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "charles" wrote in message ... In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On 11/01/2019 11:30, Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:00:06 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Steve Walker writes: On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. Note the above - the drive is not being done. Whether its the drive is not the relevant bit. Any impermeable hard standing counts, regardless of if its a drive, patio, tennis court etc. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Never heard such a lot of twaddle. I think people would be forgiven for
thinking that around these parts the national pastime during the summer is people out with their angle grinders laying their own drives and patios. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 10/01/19 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. Maybe if you are doing one from scratch, but what if you are replacing one impermeable surface (concrete) by another (resin)? Is there a difference if the resin in laid on top of the concrete, or the concreter removed first and the resin laid on a prepared base? If the latter, do the base and resin have to be permeable? -- Jeff |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:22:08 +0000, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/01/2019 11:30, Mark Allread wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:00:06 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Steve Walker writes: On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. Note the above - the drive is not being done. Whether its the drive is not the relevant bit. Any impermeable hard standing counts, regardless of if its a drive, patio, tennis court etc. See: https://www.planningportal.co.uk/inf...n_projects/44/ patio_and_driveway extract: "Please note: different rules apply to paving over your front garden. Elsewhere around your house there are no restrictions on the area of land which you can cover with hard surfaces at, or near, ground level. However, significant works of embanking or terracing to support a hard surface might need a planning application. If you live in a listed building, you will need listed building consent for any significant works whether internal or external. Please note: The permitted development allowances described here apply to houses and not to: Flats and maisonettes (view our guidance on flats and maisonettes) Converted houses or houses created through the permitted development rights to change use (as detailed in our change of use section) Other buildings Areas where there may be a planning condition, Article 4 Direction or other restriction that limits permitted development rights. Also note that these rules only cover your Patio/Driveway." end extract |
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On Thursday, 10 January 2019 18:00:49 UTC, R D S wrote:
I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? They did it on the highway outside our house about six months ago. High friction grit glued down. Seems to be holding out OK. |
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On Thursday, 10 January 2019 18:49:10 UTC, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 10/01/19 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? probably not allowed under current building regs. Surfaces like drives need to be permeable. Maybe if you are doing one from scratch, but what if you are replacing one impermeable surface (concrete) by another (resin)? Is there a difference if the resin in laid on top of the concrete, or the concreter removed first and the resin laid on a prepared base? If the latter, do the base and resin have to be permeable? -- Jeff It's all bollix anyway. The permeable bit soon blocks up with moss and general crap. |
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On 11/01/2019 15:51, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 10 January 2019 18:00:49 UTC, R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. There are a couple of manholes at jaunty angles though and a soil pipe so I can see a lot of cutting and faffing so wondered about the resin stuff that I'm seeing advertised for drives. Anyone got any opinion or experience? Is it DIYable? They did it on the highway outside our house about six months ago. High friction grit glued down. Seems to be holding out OK. As usual harry replies with an answer that's not relevant to the question. |
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On 11/01/2019 11:30, Mark Allread wrote:
But for the OP I'd say that it would be better to hire a Stihl saw and cut the paving around the manholes if they cannot be easily repositioned more 'squarely'. The job will look a lot better. Would a 9 inch angle grinder do? -- Adam |
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On 11/01/2019 15:42, Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:22:08 +0000, John Rumm wrote: On 11/01/2019 11:30, Mark Allread wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:00:06 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Steve Walker writes: On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. Note the above - the drive is not being done. Whether its the drive is not the relevant bit. Any impermeable hard standing counts, regardless of if its a drive, patio, tennis court etc. See: https://www.planningportal.co.uk/inf...n_projects/44/ patio_and_driveway extract: "Please note: different rules apply to paving over your front garden. Fairy snuff, I sit corrected! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 11:42:41 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 10/01/2019 21:48, tabbypurr wrote: no need to fear doing blockwork round oddly angled drains. Years ago I thought it might look nice to do some block paving round circular flower beds and various other curved edges... http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...kPavedPath.jpg It all looked nice, but at the time I did not really think through the consequences of cutting in all the blocks: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...hCuttingIn.jpg It took a couple of days to cut them all in, and by the time it was done we must have had half a ton of left over offcuts! (still we needed some hardcore for under another bit of paving elsewhere) I'd have been most tempted to do the infill in some sort of radial pattern to avoid all that cutting. NT |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 11:42:41 UTC, John Rumm wrote: On 10/01/2019 21:48, tabbypurr wrote: no need to fear doing blockwork round oddly angled drains. Years ago I thought it might look nice to do some block paving round circular flower beds and various other curved edges... http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...kPavedPath.jpg It all looked nice, but at the time I did not really think through the consequences of cutting in all the blocks: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...hCuttingIn.jpg It took a couple of days to cut them all in, and by the time it was done we must have had half a ton of left over offcuts! (still we needed some hardcore for under another bit of paving elsewhere) I'd have been most tempted to do the infill in some sort of radial pattern to avoid all that cutting. Then you would have to cut them lengthways and into a taper to avoid large gaps! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:42:58 +0000, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/01/2019 15:42, Mark Allread wrote: extract: "Please note: different rules apply to paving over your front garden. Fairy snuff, I sit corrected! :-) no worries. |
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:31:18 +0000, ARW wrote:
On 11/01/2019 11:30, Mark Allread wrote: But for the OP I'd say that it would be better to hire a Stihl saw and cut the paving around the manholes if they cannot be easily repositioned more 'squarely'. The job will look a lot better. Would a 9 inch angle grinder do? Never tried it with an angle grinder but I'm not sure you would get as good a finish on the 'cut' edge. |
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On 11/01/2019 15:42, Mark Allread wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:22:08 +0000, John Rumm wrote: On 11/01/2019 11:30, Mark Allread wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:00:06 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Steve Walker writes: On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. Note the above - the drive is not being done. Whether its the drive is not the relevant bit. Any impermeable hard standing counts, regardless of if its a drive, patio, tennis court etc. See: https://www.planningportal.co.uk/inf...n_projects/44/ patio_and_driveway extract: "Please note: different rules apply to paving over your front garden. Elsewhere around your house there are no restrictions on the area of land which you can cover with hard surfaces at, or near, ground level. However, significant works of embanking or terracing to support a hard surface might need a planning application. If you live in a listed building, you will need listed building consent for any significant works whether internal or external. Please note: The permitted development allowances described here apply to houses and not to: Flats and maisonettes (view our guidance on flats and maisonettes) Converted houses or houses created through the permitted development rights to change use (as detailed in our change of use section) Other buildings Areas where there may be a planning condition, Article 4 Direction or other restriction that limits permitted development rights. Also note that these rules only cover your Patio/Driveway." end extract And there is this one. https://goo.gl/maps/E1VHRmttLqj Street view will take you back to 2009 and up to May 2018. Every piece of garden is now concrete (trust me there has been more concrete laid since the May 2018 Streetview picture). -- Adam |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 11/01/2019 15:42, Mark Allread wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:22:08 +0000, John Rumm wrote: On 11/01/2019 11:30, Mark Allread wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:00:06 +0000, Andrew Gabriel wrote: In article , Steve Walker writes: On 10/01/2019 18:19, charles wrote: In article , R D S wrote: I fancy doing some paving at the back of our house to replace some poorly laid concrete. Note the above - the drive is not being done. Whether its the drive is not the relevant bit. Any impermeable hard standing counts, regardless of if its a drive, patio, tennis court etc. See: https://www.planningportal.co.uk/inf...n_projects/44/ patio_and_driveway extract: "Please note: different rules apply to paving over your front garden. Elsewhere around your house there are no restrictions on the area of land which you can cover with hard surfaces at, or near, ground level. However, significant works of embanking or terracing to support a hard surface might need a planning application. If you live in a listed building, you will need listed building consent for any significant works whether internal or external. Please note: The permitted development allowances described here apply to houses and not to: Flats and maisonettes (view our guidance on flats and maisonettes) Converted houses or houses created through the permitted development rights to change use (as detailed in our change of use section) Other buildings Areas where there may be a planning condition, Article 4 Direction or other restriction that limits permitted development rights. Also note that these rules only cover your Patio/Driveway." end extract And there is this one. https://goo.gl/maps/E1VHRmttLqj Street view will take you back to 2009 and up to May 2018. Every piece of garden is now concrete (trust me there has been more concrete laid since the May 2018 Streetview picture). Fark, we dont get anything like that sort of streetview history. And I saw the google streetview camera car here almost a year ago now and it still hasnt been updated. Something must have been comprehensively ****ed with the system in the car or something. |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 22:52:45 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 11/01/2019 21:52, tabbypurr wrote: On Friday, 11 January 2019 11:42:41 UTC, John Rumm wrote: On 10/01/2019 21:48, tabbypurr wrote: no need to fear doing blockwork round oddly angled drains. Years ago I thought it might look nice to do some block paving round circular flower beds and various other curved edges... http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...kPavedPath.jpg It all looked nice, but at the time I did not really think through the consequences of cutting in all the blocks: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...CuttingIn..jpg It took a couple of days to cut them all in, and by the time it was done we must have had half a ton of left over offcuts! (still we needed some hardcore for under another bit of paving elsewhere) I'd have been most tempted to do the infill in some sort of radial pattern to avoid all that cutting. Then you would have to cut them lengthways and into a taper to avoid large gaps! The ones you laid radially didn't have excessive gaps, or maybe I misremembered that. More would not be in a smaller circle. You can always cut every 4th one or so if gaps are a problem. It would be easier to move to the smaller rectangular blocks, less length equals far less gap size. Or go with stone. NT |
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On Friday, 11 January 2019 22:52:45 UTC, John Rumm wrote: On 11/01/2019 21:52, tabbypurr wrote: On Friday, 11 January 2019 11:42:41 UTC, John Rumm wrote: On 10/01/2019 21:48, tabbypurr wrote: no need to fear doing blockwork round oddly angled drains. Years ago I thought it might look nice to do some block paving round circular flower beds and various other curved edges... http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...kPavedPath.jpg It all looked nice, but at the time I did not really think through the consequences of cutting in all the blocks: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...hCuttingIn.jpg It took a couple of days to cut them all in, and by the time it was done we must have had half a ton of left over offcuts! (still we needed some hardcore for under another bit of paving elsewhere) I'd have been most tempted to do the infill in some sort of radial pattern to avoid all that cutting. Then you would have to cut them lengthways and into a taper to avoid large gaps! The ones you laid radially didn't have excessive gaps True, but I cheated by filling those gaps with black mortar - no too onerous as the edging courses which have to be fully bedded anyway. The main infill however is just grouted with fine sand, so the gaps have to be small. , or maybe I misremembered that. More would not be in a smaller circle. You can always cut every 4th one or so if gaps are a problem. It would be easier to move to the smaller rectangular blocks, less length equals far less gap size. Or go with stone. There is a limit on how small you can go on blocks on a sand bed if you want to ensure they can't get pushed into the bed with normal traffic (why ideally you break the pattern in places where you would end up with less than about a third of a block) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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