On 05/08/2018 13:54, wrote:
Those, on the other hand, for whom domestic arrangements have moved on since 1939, and who would like to reduce their energy consumption to approx 1/32 of an Aga, will have bought a cooker that can be turned on and off, and wiped clean with a damp cloth.

:-)

Or even a combi microwave oven for less adventurous meals.

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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 22:52:01 UTC+1, lopt wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
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On 05/08/2018 10:19, lopt wrote:

Have you tried conc nitric acid ? That should get it off, but isn't
that easy to get.

what does that do9 to carbon?

Dissolves it.

No, it doesn't. Even fuming nitric doesn't.

Yes it does with boiling conc nitric.

There are limits to what I'll use as a cleaning chemical. Boiling strong
fuming acids are a good 2 steps beyond that point.

But there isnt anything else except molten potassium nitrate
that will get that carbon off without damaging the enamel.

On Monday, 6 August 2018 00:25:21 UTC+1, lopt wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 22:52:01 UTC+1, lopt wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 10:19, lopt wrote:

Have you tried conc nitric acid ? That should get it off, but isn't
that easy to get.

what does that do9 to carbon?

Dissolves it.

No, it doesn't. Even fuming nitric doesn't.

Yes it does with boiling conc nitric.

There are limits to what I'll use as a cleaning chemical. Boiling strong
fuming acids are a good 2 steps beyond that point.

But there isnt anything else except molten potassium nitrate
that will get that carbon off without damaging the enamel.

Despite not knowing enough I'm not entirely convinced. Carbonised stuff comes off the enamel hob here ok. How well is this carbon bonded? Why would nutshells not work?


NT

On 06/08/18 00:25, lopt wrote:


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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 22:52:01 UTC+1, loptÂ* wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 10:19, lopt wrote:

Have you tried conc nitric acid ?Â* That should get it off, but
isn't
that easy to get.

what does that do9 to carbon?

Dissolves it.

No, it doesn't. Even fuming nitric doesn't.

Yes it does with boiling conc nitric.

There are limits to what I'll use as a cleaning chemical. Boiling
strong fuming acids are a good 2 steps beyond that point.

But there isnt anything else except molten potassium nitrate
that will get that carbon off without damaging the enamel.

Possibly oxy acetylene will.

I have had some success with mechanical abrasives and then t-cutting the
enamel back.


BUT the general consensus is after 20 years get the top re-enamelled for
a couple of grand.

There is a definite market for something like a plumbres mat that fits
round an aga ring to catch all the splatters..



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On 06/08/18 00:03, Andrew wrote:
On 05/08/2018 13:54, wrote:
Those, on the other hand, for whom domestic arrangements have moved on
since 1939, and who would like to reduce their energy consumption to
approx 1/32 of an Aga, will have bought a cooker that can be turned on
and off, and wiped clean with a damp cloth.

:-)

Or even a combi microwave oven for less adventurous meals.


Ther is a common misconception that an aga is a cooker.

It is not.

It is baseload central heating. A 2 oven is about 700W and a 4 oven
about 900W of kitchen heating, pet drying, and so on.

You CAN cook on it, or preferably *in* it, but that is not where agas
are at.




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On 06/08/18 00:25, lopt wrote:


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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 22:52:01 UTC+1, loptÂ* wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 10:19, lopt wrote:

Have you tried conc nitric acid ?Â* That should get it off, but
isn't
that easy to get.

what does that do9 to carbon?

Dissolves it.

No, it doesn't. Even fuming nitric doesn't.

Yes it does with boiling conc nitric.

There are limits to what I'll use as a cleaning chemical. Boiling
strong fuming acids are a good 2 steps beyond that point.

But there isnt anything else except molten potassium nitrate
that will get that carbon off without damaging the enamel.

The one or two detachable parts come clean after several cycles in the
dishwasher, just as an old baking tray with similar burned on fat will
do. Obv I can't soak the cooker hot for several hours, but I don't
understand why there is no norma cleaning product.
Tw

On 05/08/18 13:54, wrote:


If you don't have a live-in kitchenmaid or tweeny who can do it at 5 am every morning, the daily woman 'for the rough' may be entrusted with this work under supervision.

Those, on the other hand, for whom domestic arrangements have moved on since 1939, and who would like to reduce their energy consumption to approx 1/32 of an Aga, will have bought a cooker that can be turned on and off, and wiped clean with a damp cloth.

A local 'boutique' charity shop has one as a display piece.

The electric used to go off every time there was a storm round here, due
to overhead power cables brought down by trees. So you needed a cooker
that would work without electricity. Electric is a bit more reliable now
but still goes off sometimes.
TW

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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 22:52:01 UTC+1, lopt wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 10:19, lopt wrote:

Have you tried conc nitric acid ? That should get it off, but isn't
that easy to get.

what does that do9 to carbon?

Dissolves it.

No, it doesn't. Even fuming nitric doesn't.

Yes it does with boiling conc nitric.

There are limits to what I'll use as a cleaning chemical

Boiling strong fuming acids are a good 2 steps beyond that point.

Did ye nay ken that Wee Jock McSpeed there, has a big mug of th'acid
with his porridge of a morning ? An he sprinkles it o'er his chips
insteed o' the vinegar.

Och aye, the noo !


michael adams

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/08/18 00:25, lopt wrote:


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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 22:52:01 UTC+1, lopt wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 10:19, lopt wrote:

Have you tried conc nitric acid ? That should get it off, but
isn't
that easy to get.

what does that do9 to carbon?

Dissolves it.

No, it doesn't. Even fuming nitric doesn't.

Yes it does with boiling conc nitric.

There are limits to what I'll use as a cleaning chemical. Boiling strong
fuming acids are a good 2 steps beyond that point.

But there isnt anything else except molten potassium nitrate
that will get that carbon off without damaging the enamel.

Possibly oxy acetylene will.

Yeah, but it might not do the enamel much good.

I have had some success with mechanical abrasives and then t-cutting the
enamel back.

Sure, but I try molten potassium nitrate first.

BUT the general consensus is after 20 years get the top re-enamelled for a
couple of grand.

Sure but thats obviously a very expensive approach.

There is a definite market for something like a plumbres mat that fits
round an aga ring to catch all the splatters..

Personally it makes a lot more sense to give up on Agas.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 06/08/18 00:03, Andrew wrote:
On 05/08/2018 13:54, wrote:
Those, on the other hand, for whom domestic arrangements have moved on
since 1939, and who would like to reduce their energy consumption to
approx 1/32 of an Aga, will have bought a cooker that can be turned on
and off, and wiped clean with a damp cloth.

:-)

Or even a combi microwave oven for less adventurous meals.


Ther is a common misconception that an aga is a cooker.

It is not.

It is baseload central heating. A 2 oven is about 700W and a 4 oven about
900W of kitchen heating, pet drying, and so on.

But if that is what you want, you are much better off with a decent
modern combustion heater with an electric fan etc. Then there is
never any problem with getting the baked carbon off and it
wouldnt even cost as much as getting an aga re-enamelled.

And would work a hell of a lot better for heating and pet trying.

You CAN cook on it, or preferably *in* it, but that is not where agas are
at.

"TimW" wrote in message
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On 06/08/18 00:25, lopt wrote:


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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 22:52:01 UTC+1, lopt wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 05/08/2018 10:19, lopt wrote:

Have you tried conc nitric acid ? That should get it off, but
isn't
that easy to get.

what does that do9 to carbon?

Dissolves it.

No, it doesn't. Even fuming nitric doesn't.

Yes it does with boiling conc nitric.

There are limits to what I'll use as a cleaning chemical. Boiling strong
fuming acids are a good 2 steps beyond that point.

But there isnt anything else except molten potassium nitrate
that will get that carbon off without damaging the enamel.

The one or two detachable parts come clean after several cycles in the
dishwasher, just as an old baking tray with similar burned on fat will do.

I dont find that with the glass bowels from these,
with either Finish or the Aldi dishwasher tablets.
https://www.myer.com.au/shop/mystore... ZAaKgodgaMGuw

Obv I can't soak the cooker hot for several hours, but I don't understand
why there is no norma cleaning product.

Basically there isnt anything that works with the worst baked on carbon.

Normal ovens get rid of that by pyrolytic burning the carbon
at much higher than normal oven temperatures. That might
work with an oxy acetylene torch with an Aga, but might not
do the enamel much good; There must be a reason why it
is possible to get the top re-enamelled, but that isnt cheap.

"TimW" wrote in message
news
On 05/08/18 13:54, wrote:


If you don't have a live-in kitchenmaid or tweeny who can do it at 5 am
every morning, the daily woman 'for the rough' may be entrusted with this
work under supervision.

Those, on the other hand, for whom domestic arrangements have moved on
since 1939, and who would like to reduce their energy consumption to
approx 1/32 of an Aga, will have bought a cooker that can be turned on
and off, and wiped clean with a damp cloth.

A local 'boutique' charity shop has one as a display piece.

The electric used to go off every time there was a storm round here, due
to overhead power cables brought down by trees. So you needed a cooker
that would work without electricity. Electric is a bit more reliable now
but still goes off sometimes.

Nothing to stop you using bottled gas.

On Monday, 6 August 2018 12:34:55 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 06/08/18 00:03, Andrew wrote:
On 05/08/2018 13:54, wrote:
Those, on the other hand, for whom domestic arrangements have moved on
since 1939, and who would like to reduce their energy consumption to
approx 1/32 of an Aga, will have bought a cooker that can be turned on
and off, and wiped clean with a damp cloth.

:-)

Or even a combi microwave oven for less adventurous meals.


Ther is a common misconception that an aga is a cooker.

It is not.

It is baseload central heating. A 2 oven is about 700W and a 4 oven
about 900W of kitchen heating, pet drying, and so on.

You CAN cook on it, or preferably *in* it, but that is not where agas
are at.




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In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use

On 06/08/18 19:22, Rod Speed wrote:


"TimW" wrote in message
news
On 05/08/18 13:54, wrote:


If you don't have a live-in kitchenmaid or tweeny who can do it at 5
am every morning, the daily woman 'for the rough' may be entrusted
with this work under supervision.

Those, on the other hand, for whom domestic arrangements have moved
on since 1939, and who would like to reduce their energy consumption
to approx 1/32 of an Aga, will have bought a cooker that can be
turned on and off, and wiped clean with a damp cloth.

A local 'boutique' charity shop has one as a display piece.

The electric used to go off every time there was a storm round here,
due to overhead power cables brought down by trees. So you needed a
cooker that would work without electricity. Electric is a bit more
reliable now but still goes off sometimes.

Nothing to stop you using bottled gas.

Yes, the previous house, 20 yrs ago, bottled gas for a hob and wood in
the fireplace.

tw

"TimW" wrote in message
news
On 06/08/18 19:22, Rod Speed wrote:


"TimW" wrote in message
news
On 05/08/18 13:54, wrote:


If you don't have a live-in kitchenmaid or tweeny who can do it at 5 am
every morning, the daily woman 'for the rough' may be entrusted with
this work under supervision.

Those, on the other hand, for whom domestic arrangements have moved on
since 1939, and who would like to reduce their energy consumption to
approx 1/32 of an Aga, will have bought a cooker that can be turned on
and off, and wiped clean with a damp cloth.

A local 'boutique' charity shop has one as a display piece.

The electric used to go off every time there was a storm round here, due
to overhead power cables brought down by trees. So you needed a cooker
that would work without electricity. Electric is a bit more reliable now
but still goes off sometimes.

Nothing to stop you using bottled gas.

Yes, the previous house, 20 yrs ago, bottled gas for a hob and wood in the
fireplace.

Makes more sense to have a proper modern combustion heater for the non hob.

On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to them.

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to them.

Daughter 2 has an AGA - nothing else

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On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 08:32:46 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to them.

Is coal a renewable energy?

On 07/08/2018 17:40, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 08:32:46 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to them.

Is coal a renewable energy?


Yes.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 08:32:46 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain
dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to
them.

Is coal a renewable energy?

Corse it is, just over a much longer period than with most of the rest.

On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 19:35:59 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"harry" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 08:32:46 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain
dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to
them.

Is coal a renewable energy?

Corse it is, just over a much longer period than with most of the rest.

Drivel.
Coal is no longer being laid down.

On 08/08/2018 08:24, harry wrote:
On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 19:35:59 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"harry" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 08:32:46 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain
dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to
them.

Is coal a renewable energy?

Corse it is, just over a much longer period than with most of the rest.

Drivel.
Coal is no longer being laid down.


Something else harry knows nothing about.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 19:35:59 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
"harry" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, 7 August 2018 08:32:46 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain
dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to
them.

Is coal a renewable energy?

Corse it is, just over a much longer period than with most of the rest.

Drivel.
Coal is no longer being laid down.

Wrong, as always.

charles Wrote in message:
In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
On 06/08/2018 20:19, harry wrote:



In the recent past, Agas were status symbols for the brain dead/wealthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aga_saga
However,they were never used, too much trouble, fuel and expense.
There was a conventional cooker next to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGA_cooker#Energy_use


Just like renewable energy, there is always a real generator next to them.

Daughter 2 has an AGA - nothing else


Is it clean though?
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TimW Wrote in message:
This is an Aga. Years of fat and oil has been oxidised all over the
enamel and chrome parts on the top to make a solid coating. In cooler
places it's soft, very hard where it has been hotter and burned right
off only on the very hot places like the hot plates themselves. How do I
clean it off?

So far tried various 'dissolves grease' cleaning products and green
scourers. Doesn't really work. A blunt table knife seems to remove the
stuff without scratching the enamel too badly but it's very laborious.
Is there a chemical solution? Even to soften it up?

TW

No experience of this phenomenon but... BBQ cleaners? Oven
cleaner aerosol stuff?
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misterroy Wrote in message:
On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 11:53:57 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Saturday, 4 August 2018 15:41:04 UTC+1, TimW wrote:

This is an Aga. Years of fat and oil has been oxidised all over the
enamel and chrome parts on the top to make a solid coating. In cooler
places it's soft, very hard where it has been hotter and burned right
off only on the very hot places like the hot plates themselves. How do I
clean it off?

So far tried various 'dissolves grease' cleaning products and green
scourers. Doesn't really work. A blunt table knife seems to remove the
stuff without scratching the enamel too badly but it's very laborious.
Is there a chemical solution? Even to soften it up?

TW

I've just been cleaning off kitchen grease today. Tried for the first time what I call public toilet cleaner on it - and it's pretty good. It's what's used industrially for toilets, available from janitorial supplies. Does not smell good.

If you're going to scrape it you need to use plastic, else the enamel will get trashed.

If using caustic I'd brush it onto the heated surface. DO wear eye protection.

Steam cleaners are good for some kitchen grease, certainly not all but it's probably an easy way to make some progress.

Whatever you use may need many soakings. Patience is better than wrecking the finish.


NT

For badly burned on food in pans I use an abrasive brush in my drill. It is slightly abrasive, it may scratch the enamel. Very quick and effective with the pan.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Nylon...AOSw5IJWb6q 2

There are also angle grinder versions
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/75mm-Nylo...wAAOSwj0RbKnfz


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On Sunday, 5 August 2018 13:43:57 UTC+1, wrote:
On Sunday, 5 August 2018 08:13:11 UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:

Many years ago, I heard this terrible loud hissing and gurgling from a few
houses away. It was, apparently somebody who took their old trusty cooker
outside and powerwashed it.

That's okay with gas cookers, not so wise for electric ones in case the water gets in the electrics, and definately not recommended for Agas as they're filled with insulation which would get waterlogged.

Owain

Every part of an electric oven can be wet washed as long as it's thoroughly dried before reconnection, except motor bearings.


NT


Presumably from your own experience?
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