In article ,
Cynic wrote:
Dave is depressingly politically obsessive. What a pity it's got ****
all to do with do it yourself.

I actually agree wholeheartedly. Which is why this group has no new
readers - just half mad old farts with mainly extreme right wing views. So
it will die out with them, same as most others.

The odd things is those who make all the racist comments - like the Doom
person - get all hurt when called out for what they are. And rather
obviously want a mutual admiration society as a newsgroup where only their
own narrow view of life is tolerated.

Very easy to be sure of this. They make a big point of telling the world
who they've killfiled. ;-)

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2018-06-30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Cynic wrote:
Dave is depressingly politically obsessive. What a pity it's got ****
all to do with do it yourself.

I actually agree wholeheartedly. Which is why this group has no new
readers

Err, no. Usenet is dying, along with with its readers. Nothing (well,
very little) to do with ...

- just half mad old farts with mainly extreme right wing views.

No-one here has "extreme right wing views". Just right of yours.

I take it you simply don't read all of the posts on here.

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On 30/06/2018 12:50, Huge wrote:
snip

Hell, no. I'm just going on what you quote and comment on. Is anyone here
proposing death camps? Hit squads? Executing political opponents? No
rights for gay people/women/{whatever the current collective noun for
coloured people is}? "Disappearing" people they don't like? Withdrawal of
free speech for opponents? Extra-judicial murder of opponents? Oligarchy?
And all the other wonderful things that go on in countries like China,
Venezuela and Russia. No? Then no-one here is an "extreme" right winger.



Please sir, isn't Venezuela's leadership far *left* so such things are
allowed (if not required), much as *anti*-fascists are allowed to dress
in black and smash people and property they don't like?


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In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2018-06-30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2018-06-30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Cynic wrote:
Dave is depressingly politically obsessive. What a pity it's got ****
all to do with do it yourself.

I actually agree wholeheartedly. Which is why this group has no new
readers

Err, no. Usenet is dying, along with with its readers. Nothing (well,
very little) to do with ...

- just half mad old farts with mainly extreme right wing views.

No-one here has "extreme right wing views". Just right of yours.

I take it you simply don't read all of the posts on here.

Hell, no. I'm just going on what you quote and comment on. Is anyone here
proposing death camps? Hit squads? Executing political opponents? No
rights for gay people/women/{whatever the current collective noun for
coloured people is}? "Disappearing" people they don't like? Withdrawal of
free speech for opponents? Extra-judicial murder of opponents? Oligarchy?
And all the other wonderful things that go on in countries like China,
Venezuela and Russia. No? Then no-one here is an "extreme" right winger.

Well, many on here consider Venezusala a socialist state. China,
communist. Russia?

All of them nominally left, not right wing. But when it comes to extremes
little practical difference anyway.

You could try posting under a new name expressing some of the views you've
invented above. And see how many of the right wingers that comment on
everything would disagree with them.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 6/30/2018 2:19 PM, Huge wrote:

The political "spectrum" is circular. If you go out far enough in either
direction, you can no longer distinguish between left and right; you just
find people who want to be in charge and are prepared to use violence to
achieve that end.


Sadly true.

On 30/06/2018 13:35, Robin wrote:
On 30/06/2018 12:50, Huge wrote:
snip

Hell, no. I'm just going on what you quote and comment on. Is anyone here
proposing death camps? Hit squads? Executing political opponents? No
rights for gay people/women/{whatever the current collective noun for
coloured people is}? "Disappearing" people they don't like? Withdrawal of
free speech for opponents? Extra-judicial murder of opponents? Oligarchy?
And all the other wonderful things that go on in countries like China,
Venezuela and Russia. No? Then no-one here is an "extreme" right winger.



Please sir, isn't Venezuela's leadership far *left* so such things are
allowed (if not required), much as *anti*-fascists are allowed to dress
in black and smash people and property they don't like?

as is China...

In article ,
Huge wrote:
Of course it could be neither of those clowns appreciate the good things
socialism has brought to this country.

I see no "extreme" right wing views. And indeed, they have a point about
socialism. After all, even if you ignore how many Stalin and Pol Pot
exterminated, Venezuela is *such* a people's paradise, isn't it?

A few minutes ago you called Venezuela extreme right wing. Please make up
your mind.

But then it's a very silly game that anyone can play finding a country in
the world that it suits you to quote as an example of anything.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 30/06/2018 16:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
Of course it could be neither of those clowns appreciate the good things
socialism has brought to this country.

I see no "extreme" right wing views. And indeed, they have a point about
socialism. After all, even if you ignore how many Stalin and Pol Pot
exterminated, Venezuela is *such* a people's paradise, isn't it?

A few minutes ago you called Venezuela extreme right wing. Please make up
your mind.

But then it's a very silly game that anyone can play finding a country in
the world that it suits you to quote as an example of anything.


Strange then why The Messiah regularly uses Venezuela and it's system as
an example of all that we are missing here... (the word "silly" in your
sentence may be the clue...)

The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls". Pity both sides of the warring factions don't adopt it.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff
wrote:

"Huge" wrote in message

I see no "extreme" right wing views. And indeed, they have a point about
socialism.

No they do not with Norway and the NHS alone, let alone government
schools, roads and other infrastructure.

What's Norway got to do with socialism?

They had the govt do all power generation and oil and gas too, and still do.

Even the UK has lots of socialism, most obviously with the NHS,
government schools and many universities, the government does
most of the roads and lots of other stuff too.

After all, even if you ignore how many Stalin and Pol Pot
exterminated, Venezuela is *such* a people's paradise, isn't it?

Those are just examples of socialism done very badly. Plenty of other
examples of capitalism done very badly too.

What, as badly as Soviet Russia and Venezuela?

Never said that, but very badly anyway.

Cynic wrote

The political "noise" is seriously depressing

Then do the decent thing and hang yourself.

and is the underlying reason groups on usenet die on their feet.

Nope, the reason for that is that hardly anyone knows anything
about usenet, so no new people ever turn up on usenet.

There used to be a universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls".

It was never ever universally accepted.

Pity both sides of the warring factions don't adopt it.

You wouldnt know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

In message ,
Cynic writes
The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying
reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a
universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls". Pity both sides of the
warring factions don't adopt it.

We seem to be surviving the Brexit imbroglio.

Advancing years might be terminal.

Judging by thread/contributor length, we have lots of ex. software
engineers.!

--
Tim Lamb

On 30/06/2018 23:34, Cynic wrote:
The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls". Pity both sides of the warring factions don't adopt it.


You mean it's _not_ a planned homage to WWI trench warfare? I thought I
must gave missed the announcement.

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On 30/06/18 12:50, Huge wrote:
On 2018-06-30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2018-06-30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Cynic wrote:
Dave is depressingly politically obsessive. What a pity it's got ****
all to do with do it yourself.

I actually agree wholeheartedly. Which is why this group has no new
readers

Err, no. Usenet is dying, along with with its readers. Nothing (well,
very little) to do with ...

- just half mad old farts with mainly extreme right wing views.

No-one here has "extreme right wing views". Just right of yours.

I take it you simply don't read all of the posts on here.

Hell, no. I'm just going on what you quote and comment on. Is anyone here
proposing death camps? Hit squads? Executing political opponents?

Only the hard left...

No
rights for gay people/women/{whatever the current collective noun for
coloured people is}?

Only Islam..

"Disappearing" people they don't like? Withdrawal of
free speech for opponents?

Only the left

Extra-judicial murder of opponents? Oligarchy?

Only the Left

And all the other wonderful things that go on in countries like China,
Venezuela and Russia. No? Then no-one here is an "extreme" right winger.





--
Those who want slavery should have the grace to name it by its proper
name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2018-06-30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
Of course it could be neither of those clowns appreciate the good things
socialism has brought to this country.

I see no "extreme" right wing views. And indeed, they have a point about
socialism. After all, even if you ignore how many Stalin and Pol Pot
exterminated, Venezuela is *such* a people's paradise, isn't it?

A few minutes ago you called Venezuela extreme right wing. Please make up
your mind.

Blimey, you even stated the point about extreme political systems being
indistinguishable yourself. Do I detect the merest sniff of hypocrisy
there?

But then it's a very silly game that anyone can play finding a country in
the world that it suits you to quote as an example of anything.

Damn that evidence, eh?

Anyway, this correspondence is at an end.

Not all about you, Huge. It's an open discussion.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 01/07/2018 09:17, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
Cynic writes
The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying
reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a
universally accepted motto "Don't feedÂ* trolls". Pity both sides of
the warring factions don't adopt it.

We seem to be surviving the Brexit imbroglio.

Advancing years might be terminal.

Judging by thread/contributor length, we have lots of ex. software
engineers.!

My killfile is well filled with those who contribute little to these
groups. Dave P is the exception at the moment, although he starts many
topics unrelated to DIY, once in a blue moon he does come up with useful
info.

What I find incredible is the about of time some here put into Brexit,
have they nothing better to do? Especially when the ship has passed!

"Fredxx" wrote in message
news
On 01/07/2018 09:17, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Cynic
writes
The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying
reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a
universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls". Pity both sides of the
warring factions don't adopt it.

We seem to be surviving the Brexit imbroglio.

Advancing years might be terminal.

Judging by thread/contributor length, we have lots of ex. software
engineers.!

My killfile is well filled with those who contribute little to these
groups. Dave P is the exception at the moment, although he starts many
topics unrelated to DIY, once in a blue moon he does come up with useful
info.

What I find incredible is the about of time some here put into Brexit,
have they nothing better to do? Especially when the ship has passed!

But it is by far the most important political issue apart from a change
in govt and most of them have decided that it will be an economic
disaster and so its not surprising that they would prefer a different
result and its even possible that there might conceivably be
another referendum once the full detail of what the EU has
monstered those fools May and Davis into agreeing to.

On 01/07/18 12:35, Fredxx wrote:
On 01/07/2018 09:17, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
Cynic writes
The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying
reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a
universally accepted motto "Don't feedÂ* trolls". Pity both sides of
the warring factions don't adopt it.

We seem to be surviving the Brexit imbroglio.

Advancing years might be terminal.

Judging by thread/contributor length, we have lots of ex. software
engineers.!

My killfile is well filled with those who contribute little to these
groups. Dave P is the exception at the moment, although he starts many
topics unrelated to DIY, once in a blue moon he does come up with useful
info.

What I find incredible is the about of time some here put into Brexit,
have they nothing better to do? Especially when the ship has passed!


They fervently hope it will come back agaun. The total effort of te
estaqblishment has been to force public opinion to a second referendum,
amd weaken May so the EU looks better than she does.

They are succeeding.

It's worse than Blair.



--
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and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Those are just examples of socialism done very badly. Plenty of other
examples of capitalism done very badly too.

Which of course the right wing on here are very careful to not mention.

Gosh chaps, you mean that the NHS, roads and that, are provided by the
Government? Gosh, thanks for telling me. I mean, who knew, eh?

So much for your claim that socialism never works.

On 01/07/18 17:54, Jeff wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Those are just examples of socialism done very badly. Plenty of other
examples of capitalism done very badly too.

Which of course the right wing on here are very careful to not mention.

Gosh chaps, you mean that the NHS, roads and that, are provided by the
Government? Gosh, thanks for telling me. I mean, who knew, eh?

So much for your claim that socialism never works.

It doesn't.

Just becaue something is 'provided by the government' doesn't make it
socialism.

Nazi deatrh camps were 'provided by the government'. Although that is a
rather a bad example as Hitler WAS a socialist.

Lets say that prisons are provided by te government. Is that socialism?



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conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 01/07/18 17:54, Jeff wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Those are just examples of socialism done very badly. Plenty of other
examples of capitalism done very badly too.

Which of course the right wing on here are very careful to not
mention.

Gosh chaps, you mean that the NHS, roads and that, are provided by the
Government? Gosh, thanks for telling me. I mean, who knew, eh?

So much for your claim that socialism never works.

It doesn't.

Pity about Norway where it clearly does. And the NHS too.

Just becaue something is 'provided by the government' doesn't make it
socialism.

Yes it does, particularly with government schools, government doing
most of the roads and the police and health care.

Nazi deatrh camps were 'provided by the government'.

Yes, not everything government does is good. Same with capitalism,
monopolies are an example of bad capitalism.

Although that is a
rather a bad example as Hitler WAS a socialist.

Yes.

Lets say that prisons are provided by te government. Is that socialism?

Yes.

On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:36:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

They fervently hope it will come back agaun. The total effort of te
estaqblishment has been to force public opinion to a second referendum,
amd weaken May so the EU looks better than she does.

She's awful, but Merkel & Co are no better. That "un****able lardarse" as
Berlusconi called her is only hanging on by a thread.

They are succeeding.

I beg to differ.

It's worse than Blair.

NOTHING is worse than Blair & his cabal.

https://www.rt.com/uk/431270-torture...on-jack-straw/





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On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 19:04:48 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

Norway is not a socialist country.

Sweden is, though. Let's see how that's working out for them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcI_ZwB14Ps



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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff
wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 01/07/18 17:54, Jeff wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff

wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Those are just examples of socialism done very badly. Plenty of
other
examples of capitalism done very badly too.

Which of course the right wing on here are very careful to not
mention.

Gosh chaps, you mean that the NHS, roads and that, are provided by the
Government? Gosh, thanks for telling me. I mean, who knew, eh?

So much for your claim that socialism never works.

It doesn't.

Pity about Norway where it clearly does. And the NHS too.

Norway is not a socialist country.

The government doing almost all of the power generation
and oil and gas clearly is socialism.

And it is hard to argue that the NHS isn't socialism.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article , Jeff
wrote:

Pity about Norway where it clearly does. And the NHS too.

Norway is not a socialist country.

The government doing almost all of the power generation
and oil and gas clearly is socialism.

And it is hard to argue that the NHS isn't socialism.

"Socialism" means everything nationalised and everything owned by the
government. No private enterprise at all.

No it does not and no country has ever done that, particularly
the prostitutes and drug runners and home grown vegetables
and all sorts of things like that.

All countries have a mix of socialism and private enterprise
and the only difference is the detail of the mix. Almost all
have the government doing at least some of the schools
and most of the roads and stuff like that now.

And everywhere it's been
tried, people have rebelled one way or another and been repressed one
way or another.

And with the provision of heath care and schools and roads
and stuff like that, it is only the fringe libertarians and their ilk
that demand that government shouldnt be involved in doing
that and there arent enough of them to get their way on that.

On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 09:33:01 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:

FLUSH the senile troll's latest troll

Pity both sides of the warring factions don't adopt it.

You wouldn¢t know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

He JUST learned what makes a troll, Rot ...albeit a SENILE troll!

--
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"You really are a clueless pillock."
MID:

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 01:50:10 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:


But it is by far the most important political issue

NOT on a group like uk.d-i-y, you ****ed up senile Ozzie troll! tsk

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On 01/07/2018 18:29, Jeff wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 01/07/18 17:54, Jeff wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Those are just examples of socialism done very badly. Plenty of
other
examples of capitalism done very badly too.

Which of course the right wing on here are very careful to not
mention.

Gosh chaps, you mean that the NHS, roads and that, are provided by the
Government? Gosh, thanks for telling me. I mean, who knew, eh?

So much for your claim that socialism never works.

It doesn't.

Pity about Norway where it clearly does. And the NHS too.

Norway is not a good example, as its government pretty much unlimited
resources.

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 01/07/2018 18:29, Jeff wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 01/07/18 17:54, Jeff wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Jeff

wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Those are just examples of socialism done very badly. Plenty of
other
examples of capitalism done very badly too.

Which of course the right wing on here are very careful to not
mention.

Gosh chaps, you mean that the NHS, roads and that, are provided by the
Government? Gosh, thanks for telling me. I mean, who knew, eh?

So much for your claim that socialism never works.

It doesn't.

Pity about Norway where it clearly does. And the NHS too.

Norway is not a good example,

Yes it is on the question where socialism clearly does work.

as its government pretty much unlimited
resources.

Irrelevant to why that use of socialism clearly does work.

Same with the NHS and other examples of socialism that
clearly works a lot better than only having private enterprise
doing health care. That clearly works much worse in the USA
where they have much less socialism with health care.

But the USA also has quite a bit of socialism with health
care, ,particularly with Medicare and Medicaid and the
government providing free unfunded health care for veterans.

On 01/07/18 18:03, Davey wrote:
And Zimbabwe.



It will be interesting to see what happens there. They have a new
President, with public pronouncements of good things to come, but with
a dubious personal history. He might 'come good', or he might revert to
type.

I spoke to a Zimbabwean about it. He shrugged. "The crocodiile" he said,
was "the man who had carried out Mugabes orders" ...

Interesting, indeed, as long as he avoids the Mbeki method of
government.

Mbeki was no worse than Jeremy Corbyn would be.


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€œI know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the
greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.€�

ۥ Leo Tolstoy

On 01/07/18 18:29, Jeff wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message


Lets say that prisons are provided by te government. Is that socialism?

Yes.

Oh dear.


--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

In article , Jeff
writes


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 01/07/18 17:54, Jeff wrote:


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
t...
In article , Jeff
wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Those are just examples of socialism done very badly. Plenty of other
examples of capitalism done very badly too.

Which of course the right wing on here are very careful to not
mention.

Gosh chaps, you mean that the NHS, roads and that, are provided by the
Government? Gosh, thanks for telling me. I mean, who knew, eh?

So much for your claim that socialism never works.

It doesn't.

Pity about Norway where it clearly does. And the NHS too.

Just becaue something is 'provided by the government' doesn't make it
socialism.

Yes it does, particularly with government schools, government doing
most of the roads and the police and health care.

Nazi deatrh camps were 'provided by the government'.

Yes, not everything government does is good. Same with capitalism,
monopolies are an example of bad capitalism.

But governments are almost entirely monopolies too.
Although that is a
rather a bad example as Hitler WAS a socialist.

Yes.

Lets say that prisons are provided by te government. Is that socialism?

Yes.

--
bert

In article ,
Martin Barclay wrote:
I remember what socialism brought under Harold Wilson - roaring
inflation (1974-76) & devaluation of the pound (1967 - devalued by 14% &
the idiot's blundering assurance, that ‘the pound here in Britain, in
your pocket or purse or in your bank’ was worth no less than before.)
Oh, yes, I remember what socialism brought.

Quite. Falling real living standards for the majority for the last 8 years
or so is far more to your taste.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 01/07/18 18:29, Jeff wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message


Lets say that prisons are provided by te government. Is that
socialism?
Yes.

Oh dear.


With socialism they use the prisons for their political opponents.
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Martin Barclay wrote:
I remember what socialism brought under Harold Wilson - roaring
inflation (1974-76) & devaluation of the pound (1967 - devalued by 14% &
the idiot's blundering assurance, that €˜the pound here in Britain, in
your pocket or purse or in your bank was worth no less than before.)
Oh, yes, I remember what socialism brought.

Quite. Falling real living standards for the majority for the last 8 years
or so is far more to your taste.

Sorting out the last socialist mess.
--
bert

On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:48:42 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Martin Barclay wrote:
I remember what socialism brought under Harold Wilson - roaring
inflation (1974-76) & devaluation of the pound (1967 - devalued by 14%
& the idiot's blundering assurance, that ‘the pound here in Britain,
in your pocket or purse or in your bank’ was worth no less than
before.) Oh, yes, I remember what socialism brought.

Quite. Falling real living standards for the majority for the last 8
years or so is far more to your taste.

Sorting out the last socialist mess.

Exactly.

And as for "falling real living standards for the majority" obviously
Comrade Plowman wasn't around when inflation got to 15% & higher under
Wilson & his mob, & when the pound lost 14% of its value. Compared to
/that/, the last eight years are nothing.

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"bert" wrote in message
...
In article , The Natural Philosopher
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On 01/07/18 18:29, Jeff wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message


Lets say that prisons are provided by te government. Is that socialism?
Yes.

Oh dear.


With socialism they use the prisons for their political opponents.

You're confusing socialism and communism.

The NHS, which clearly is socialism, doesn't use the prisons for their
political opponents.

"bert" wrote in message
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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
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In article ,
Martin Barclay wrote:
I remember what socialism brought under Harold Wilson - roaring
inflation (1974-76) & devaluation of the pound (1967 - devalued by 14% &
the idiot's blundering assurance, that €˜the pound here in Britain, in
your pocket or purse or in your bank was worth no less than before.)
Oh, yes, I remember what socialism brought.

Quite. Falling real living standards for the majority for the last 8 years
or so is far more to your taste.

Sorting out the last socialist mess.

Blair and Brown weren't anymore socialist than Cameron or May.

The mess was due to deregulating the banks. The socialist approach
would have been to nationalise the banks and they did that with the
worst of the banks that imploded spectacularly after they had been
deregulated.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mbeki was no worse than Jeremy Corbyn would be.

The sad thing is you probably believe that.

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In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Martin Barclay wrote:
I remember what socialism brought under Harold Wilson - roaring
inflation (1974-76) & devaluation of the pound (1967 - devalued by 14% &
the idiot's blundering assurance, that �the pound here in Britain, in
your pocket or purse or in your bank‘ was worth no less than before.)
Oh, yes, I remember what socialism brought.

Quite. Falling real living standards for the majority for the last 8 years
or so is far more to your taste.

Sorting out the last socialist mess.

Ah - right. All those failed banks were run by socialists doing socialist
things, then.

I'll have to get a new name for the extreme right wing when there are some
around like you.

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