Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?

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On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

What makes you say I do from that post? Although the 'my country right or
wrong' brand of patriotism often does go hand in hand with racism.

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?

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On 25/06/2018 14:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

What makes you say I do from that post? Although the 'my country right or
wrong' brand of patriotism often does go hand in hand with racism.

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?

As usual, every time you mention Brexit you utterly fail:

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...l-players-born

On 25/06/18 14:49, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/06/2018 14:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?

As usual, every time you mention Brexit you utterly fail:

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...l-players-born

That's what I assumed... Interesting the North West has such strong
representation...

On 25/06/2018 14:52, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 14:49, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/06/2018 14:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?

As usual, every time you mention Brexit you utterly fail:

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...l-players-born


That's what I assumed... Interesting the North West has such strong
representation...


About as big as Yorkshire's:-)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44495550

--
Adam

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 25/06/2018 14:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

What makes you say I do from that post? Although the 'my country right or
wrong' brand of patriotism often does go hand in hand with racism.

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?

As usual, every time you mention Brexit you utterly fail:

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...l-players-born

Now give the details of the current squad.

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On 25/06/2018 15:14, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
On 25/06/2018 14:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

What makes you say I do from that post? Although the 'my country right or
wrong' brand of patriotism often does go hand in hand with racism.

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?

As usual, every time you mention Brexit you utterly fail:

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...l-players-born

Now give the details of the current squad.

I have no idea what you are trying to prove.

I repeat, as usual, every time you mention Brexit you utterly fail:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44495550

On 25/06/18 14:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

What makes you say I do from that post? Although the 'my country right or
wrong' brand of patriotism often does go hand in hand with racism.

It seemed to be the subtext of the above. But if that was not intended,
then...

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?


As I don't follow football, you'll have to help me out he

1) Are the all the players in the squad English? Well, British citizens
and mostly living in England?

2a) If so, no problem.

2b) If not, then yes, I see the irony, and secondly I think they should
be. What *is* the point of a regional team that doesn't actually
represent the region? Note ethnic origin is not relevant here, but if
you are going to buy in say a French player for England, then it's all
rather silly calling it "the England team" IMHO

In article , Tim Watts
writes
On 25/06/18 14:32, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?
What makes you say I do from that post? Although the 'my country
right or
wrong' brand of patriotism often does go hand in hand with racism.

It seemed to be the subtext of the above. But if that was not intended,
then...

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).
You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs
back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?


As I don't follow football, you'll have to help me out he

1) Are the all the players in the squad English? Well, British citizens
and mostly living in England?

For football the UK is divided into its component parts of England Wales
Scotland and NI, a jealousy guarded division.
To keep it simple - Born in England or with one or more grandparents
born in England.
Every country looks at any tenuous association to claim a decent player.
Jack Charlton was a prime example when Ireland's manager. Went round the
English leagues finding players with an Irish connection who stood
little or no chance of getting into the England team so persuaded them
to play for Ireland. There are restrictions. You cannot simply transfer
between countries as you can between clubs.
2a) If so, no problem.

2b) If not, then yes, I see the irony, and secondly I think they should
be. What *is* the point of a regional team that doesn't actually
represent the region? Note ethnic origin is not relevant here, but if
you are going to buy in say a French player for England, then it's all
rather silly calling it "the England team" IMHO
Can't be done.
--
bert

On Monday, 25 June 2018 14:41:58 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

What makes you say I do from that post? Although the 'my country right or
wrong' brand of patriotism often does go hand in hand with racism.

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

You don't really see the irony of voting Brexit to 'get our jobs back'
while cheering on a team made mainly of those who have 'taken jobs from
the English'?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Football is for idiots. One lot of Africans playing another lot AFAICS

On 27/06/2018 06:46, harry wrote:

Football is for idiots. One lot of Africans playing another lot AFAICS


Why don't you say what you really mean as you know perfectly well that
they aren't all Africans!

On Wednesday, 27 June 2018 09:38:49 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 27/06/2018 06:46, harry wrote:

Football is for idiots. One lot of Africans playing another lot AFAICS


Why don't you say what you really mean as you know perfectly well that
they aren't all Africans!

Why call a football team say Manchester United when nobody is from Manchester & most are from Senegal or similar?

On 25/06/2018 13:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

Only 20 generations! What a white settler!

For the absence of doubt, yes that is a joke.

On 25/06/18 15:10, soup wrote:
On 25/06/2018 13:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

Only 20 generations! What a white settler!

For the absence of doubt, yes that is a joke.


:-

On 25/06/2018 15:10, soup wrote:
On 25/06/2018 13:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

Only 20 generations! What a white settler!

For the absence of doubt, yes that is a joke.

Only 15 generations ago and my Scottish ancestors went bankrupt and
moved to Liverpool.

--
Adam

"ARW" wrote in message
...
On 25/06/2018 15:10, soup wrote:
On 25/06/2018 13:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

Only 20 generations! What a white settler!

For the absence of doubt, yes that is a joke.

Only 15 generations ago and my Scottish ancestors went bankrupt and moved
to Liverpool.

Your last name isnt scottish tho ?

Maybe they changed their name to escape the bailiffs and the debtors prison.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 07:26:00 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:


Only 15 generations ago and my Scottish ancestors went bankrupt and moved
to Liverpool.

Your last name isnt scottish tho ?

Maybe they changed their name to escape the bailiffs and the debtors prison.

You senile idiot just HAVE to open your senile gob, regardless of what
senile **** comes out of it, eh, senile Rot?

--
Richard addressing Rot Speed:
"**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
MID:

On 25/06/2018 13:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Probably based on what they say here.

On 25/06/18 17:44, dennis@home wrote:
On 25/06/2018 13:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Probably based on what they say here.



I'm an English patriot.

On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 18:08:57 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm an English patriot.

Dennis the Dunce and Dave Plowperson: the Batman & Robin of political
correctness. What a team! :-D



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On 26/06/2018 21:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 18:08:57 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm an English patriot.

Dennis the Dunce and Dave Plowperson: the Batman & Robin of political
correctness. What a team! :-D

Does anyone else know how difficult it is to only use PC words and terms
when you get into an argument or a fight with someone of a different
ethnicity?



--
Adam

In article , Tim Watts
writes
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Because like most lefties he's a closet racist himself and thinks
everyone is the same.
Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

--
bert

On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:26:22 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Because he's a Lefty and that's how his addled mind works. If you're
going around with that mindset, always on the lookout for racism, then
sooner or later you're going to find it, and probably *lots* of it -
everywhere - whether it actually exists or not!


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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 13:26:22 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:

Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Because he's a Lefty and that's how his addled mind works. If you're
going around with that mindset, always on the lookout for racism, then
sooner or later you're going to find it, and probably *lots* of it -
everywhere - whether it actually exists or not!

A bit like those social workers in - where was it? - Cleveland in the
80s who, having been told about some daft bugger's "theory" about anal
dilation, went out and - surprise, surprise - found it.

If only your anus were less dilated. To reduce the crap you spout.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 27/06/2018 00:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If only your anus were less dilated.

You an expert in this area?

Bill

On 03/07/18 19:14, Bill Wright wrote:
On 27/06/2018 00:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If only your anus were less dilated.

You an expert in this area?

Bill

Indeed he is, it's where his head's lodged. Poor chap never quite
grasped the concept of introspection.

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 27/06/2018 00:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If only your anus were less dilated.

You an expert in this area?

Very sadly am from the ****e which spews out from so many on here.
Sorry if it hit home.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Monday, 25 June 2018 13:26:28 UTC+1, Tim Watts wrote:
On 25/06/18 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Dave, why would you assume any English patriot is a racist?

Skin colour and cultural affiliation are orthogonal factors unless you
are some pureblood weirdo who thinks that in order to be English you
have to trace ancestry back 20 generations on this isle (and the right
bit of this isle obviously).

He's totally brain dead,that's why.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


Such a shame as well. As going by Google images at least it seems
Scotland would have been to field a full eleven out of eleven. Only
sadly, they didn't qualify.

While on the subject of "The Three Lions" the Platagenet crest from Anjou
in France, before the Three Lions there was the White Hart of Richard 11.
I've only just noticed that all the angels on the right hand panel
of the Wilton Dyptich are all turned out in team colours.

https://eclecticlight.co/2015/11/01/...-gordon-et-al/



michael adams

....

On 25/06/2018 10:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder what our St George's flag waving hoards who voted Brexit to 'get
our jobs back' make of the English team having all of four people they
likely consider to 'be like them'?


When I first started to watch football back in the late 1970s one of the
popular chants was "We have got more Wogs than you".



--
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Dave is depressingly politically obsessive. What a pity it's got **** all to do with do it yourself.

On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:29:48 -0700, Cynic wrote:

Dave is depressingly politically obsessive. What a pity it's got ****
all to do with do it yourself.

"Two prisoners looked out from behind the bars of their prison cell. One
saw mud, the other saw stars." - Plowman's firmly in the mud-seer camp.



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In article ,
Cynic wrote:
Dave is depressingly politically obsessive. What a pity it's got ****
all to do with do it yourself.

I actually agree wholeheartedly. Which is why this group has no new
readers - just half mad old farts with mainly extreme right wing views. So
it will die out with them, same as most others.

The odd things is those who make all the racist comments - like the Doom
person - get all hurt when called out for what they are. And rather
obviously want a mutual admiration society as a newsgroup where only their
own narrow view of life is tolerated.

Very easy to be sure of this. They make a big point of telling the world
who they've killfiled. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls". Pity both sides of the warring factions don't adopt it.

Cynic wrote

The political "noise" is seriously depressing

Then do the decent thing and hang yourself.

and is the underlying reason groups on usenet die on their feet.

Nope, the reason for that is that hardly anyone knows anything
about usenet, so no new people ever turn up on usenet.

There used to be a universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls".

It was never ever universally accepted.

Pity both sides of the warring factions don't adopt it.

You wouldnt know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 09:33:01 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:

FLUSH the senile troll's latest troll

Pity both sides of the warring factions don't adopt it.

You wouldn¢t know what a real troll was if one bit you on your lard arse.

He JUST learned what makes a troll, Rot ...albeit a SENILE troll!

--
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp addressing Rot Speed:
"You really are a clueless pillock."
MID:

In message ,
Cynic writes
The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying
reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a
universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls". Pity both sides of the
warring factions don't adopt it.

We seem to be surviving the Brexit imbroglio.

Advancing years might be terminal.

Judging by thread/contributor length, we have lots of ex. software
engineers.!

--
Tim Lamb

On 01/07/2018 09:17, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message ,
Cynic writes
The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying
reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a
universally accepted motto "Don't feedÂ* trolls". Pity both sides of
the warring factions don't adopt it.

We seem to be surviving the Brexit imbroglio.

Advancing years might be terminal.

Judging by thread/contributor length, we have lots of ex. software
engineers.!

My killfile is well filled with those who contribute little to these
groups. Dave P is the exception at the moment, although he starts many
topics unrelated to DIY, once in a blue moon he does come up with useful
info.

What I find incredible is the about of time some here put into Brexit,
have they nothing better to do? Especially when the ship has passed!

On 30/06/2018 23:34, Cynic wrote:
The political "noise" is seriously depressing and is the underlying reason groups on usenet die on their feet. There used to be a universally accepted motto "Don't feed trolls". Pity both sides of the warring factions don't adopt it.


You mean it's _not_ a planned homage to WWI trench warfare? I thought I
must gave missed the announcement.

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