On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:52:44 +0000 (GMT), Dave Lowman (News) wrote:

The EU is just a huge Labour government where the rich pay the poor.
Those pillars are not the same strength.

Ah - an advocate of everyone paying the same. Not according to their means.
Say no more.

Ah - a troll-feeding idiot asking the very troll he feeds to say no more!
Absolutely hilarious! LOL

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Yes all EU citizens or visitors with visas to visit the EU could travel
there and cross to the UK, but that's fine, as they'll not have the
paperwork to get a job here, rent accommodation, etc. and who cares
about EU citizens who visit and leave?

What paperwork do you need to rent in the UK?

a passport

What paperwork do you need
for casual work?

a passport

tim

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Of course this means that as UK/RoI borders are not immigration checked,
any person who is legally in RoI can waltz over the border into the UK.

Quite.

but that's no different from now

and some of the people who do it now have no right to remain in the UK, so
we have to police that at point of use (of appropriate services)

Nothing changes here (except for the length of the list of reasons for not
having right to remain)

tim

On 15/03/2018 09:34, tim... wrote:


"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:

snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.

Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out (don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on NATO for

except that the UK wants an EU army like a hole in the head

tim



The UK government has been supporting it.

On 15/03/2018 10:07, tim... wrote:


"T i m" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:34:49 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:



"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:

snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's
advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.

Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out (don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on NATO
for

except that the UK wants an EU army like a hole in the head

Is this 'in your opinion'

It's the official UK Government line

just the first article Google gave me:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-defence-force


I'm sure other newspapers are available if you want to look harder

tim

tim




Use a different search and you can get
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-s...-after-brexit/

If you put DM in all your searches you are bound to get skewed results.

In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Yes all EU citizens or visitors with visas to visit the EU could
travel there and cross to the UK, but that's fine, as they'll not
have the paperwork to get a job here, rent accommodation, etc. and
who cares about EU citizens who visit and leave?

What paperwork do you need to rent in the UK?

a passport

Really?

What paperwork do you need
for casual work?

a passport

Really?

tim

Oddly, I've done both of those in the past and never once asked for my
passport.

--
*The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the bread *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Of course this means that as UK/RoI borders are not immigration
checked, any person who is legally in RoI can waltz over the border
into the UK.

Quite.

but that's no different from now

Quite. Again.

and some of the people who do it now have no right to remain in the UK,
so we have to police that at point of use (of appropriate services)

Or not as the case may be.

Nothing changes here (except for the length of the list of reasons for
not having right to remain)

If 'we' wish to police all forms of immigration properly, it's going to
need a lot more money and resources spend on doing just that.

--
*WHAT IF THERE WERE NO HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
Ah - an advocate of everyone paying the same. Not according to their
means.
Say no more.

If I buy food, I pay £100 for it. If you buy food you pay £100 for it.
If I buy electricity, I pay £100 for it. If you buy electricity you pay
£100 for it. If you have less money than me, then you just have to buy
less stuff. Why should you get my hard earned cash?

Now tell us who paid for that liver transplant you had or will soon need?

--
*A day without sunshine is like... night.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Yes all EU citizens or visitors with visas to visit the EU could
travel there and cross to the UK, but that's fine, as they'll not
have the paperwork to get a job here, rent accommodation, etc. and
who cares about EU citizens who visit and leave?

What paperwork do you need to rent in the UK?

a passport

Really?

What paperwork do you need
for casual work?

a passport

Really?

tim

Oddly, I've done both of those in the past and never once asked for my
passport.

how far in the past?

the rule changes are recent

The last time that I rented was six years ago. You didn't to need to prove
"right to reside" in the UK then, you do now

The last time that I looked for a new job placement was three years ago.
IIRC that was the first time that I was asked to prove my "right to work in
the UK" in a 40 year working life. (Though I have previously had to provide
my passport as proof that "I" was "me" for ML laws. I think that was
overkill on the part of the agent.)

tim

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:59:30 +0000 (GMT), Dave Lowman (News) wrote:



Now tell us who paid for that liver transplant you had or will soon need?

BOTH of you idiots need a brain transplant!

In article ,
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
If I buy food, I pay £100 for it. If you buy food you pay £100 for
it. If I buy electricity, I pay £100 for it. If you buy electricity
you pay £100 for it. If you have less money than me, then you just
have to buy less stuff. Why should you get my hard earned cash?

Now tell us who paid for that liver transplant you had or will soon
need?

Me, at £350 a month to the NHS money pit. Everyone should pay their own
medical insurance.


You do realise buying insurance is just another form of socialism? In
terms of costs, some win, some lose.

--
*Why is "abbreviated" such a long word?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:59:18 +0000 (GMT), Dave Lowman (News) wrote:


You do realise buying insurance is just another form of socialism? In
terms of costs, some win, some lose.

He DOES realize that he got you poor idiot under his thumb! LOL

On 15/03/2018 16:45, tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Â* tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Â*Â* Steve Walker wrote:
Yes all EU citizens or visitors with visas to visit the EU could
travel there and cross to the UK, but that's fine, as they'll not
have the paperwork to get a job here, rent accommodation, etc. and
who cares about EU citizens who visit and leave?

What paperwork do you need to rent in the UK?

a passport

Really?

What paperwork do you need
for casual work?

a passport

Really?

tim

Oddly, I've done both of those in the past and never once asked for my
passport.

how far in the past?

the rule changes are recent

The last time that I rented was six years ago.Â* You didn't to need to
prove "right to reside" in the UK then, you do now

The last time that I looked for a new job placement was three years ago.
IIRC that was the first time that I was asked to prove my "right to work
in the UK" in a 40 year working life.Â* (Though I have previously had to
provide my passport as proof that "I" was "me" for ML laws.Â* I think
that was overkill on the part of the agent.)

tim

That's right. Landlords and employers are required to make such checks
and can be heavily fined if they are found to have failed to do so.

Banks are also now not only checking as an account is opened, but
checking through all existing accounts.

SteveW

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 14/03/18 22:39, bert wrote:

There's plenty of land in the near of Glagow, only a bit hilly.

I suspect you've never been to a Rangers Celtic football match.

Never in my life.

Nor will I.


Ther are probably worse things, like cold boiled school cabbage, but
not many.


It's the ultimate example of religious bigotry.
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
tim... wrote:
We don't seem to have cared much about Russians buying up half of
London.

Agreed, we don't seem to apply the same rule to people buying houses as
a means of living here that we do to other means. Perhaps we should,
but that's an entirely separate argument.

Not when Brexiteers blame EU immigration *only* for the lack of housing.

No we blame it for low wages also.
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
Yes all EU citizens or visitors with visas to visit the EU could
travel there and cross to the UK, but that's fine, as they'll not
have the paperwork to get a job here, rent accommodation, etc. and
who cares about EU citizens who visit and leave?

What paperwork do you need to rent in the UK?

a passport

Really?

What paperwork do you need
for casual work?

a passport

Really?

tim

Oddly, I've done both of those in the past and never once asked for my
passport.

Rules have been progressively tightened and the onus for checking passed
to the landlord or employer with sever penalties for non-compliance.
Your comment is a typical example though of how you pontificate with
very little knowledge.
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
tim... wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Of course this means that as UK/RoI borders are not immigration
checked, any person who is legally in RoI can waltz over the border
into the UK.

Quite.

but that's no different from now

Quite. Again.

and some of the people who do it now have no right to remain in the UK,
so we have to police that at point of use (of appropriate services)

Or not as the case may be.

Nothing changes here (except for the length of the list of reasons for
not having right to remain)

If 'we' wish to police all forms of immigration properly, it's going to
need a lot more money and resources spend on doing just that.

It's you and other remoaners who keep asserting that.
--
bert

In article , tim...
writes


"Tim Streater" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

To me, an acceptable result is not leaving at all, but I will take
anything that minimises the damage to the economy that Brexit will
cause.

That this will cause damage is a mere assertion on your part.

Personally I view it as much more important that we will be leaving a
bloc ruled by an oligarchy, a form of government the UK spent hundreds
of years evolving away from.

It's interesting that with the elevation of whoever it was up to the

Martin Selmayr
The one who likes to be referred to as "the beast"? He's a petty slimy
bureaucrat.

pinnacle of the EU, the EU Parliament finally woke up and some MEPs are
warning that the Juncker Commission may go the same way that the Santer
Commission did.

-- When it becomes serious, you have to lie.

Jean-Claude Juncker, Reuters 31st May 2013.


--
bert

In article , T i m
writes
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:

snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.

Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out (don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/20/news...ned/index.html

Cheers, T i m
Without NATO there wouldn't be an NHS.
--
bert

In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:
snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's
advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.
Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out
(don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on NATO
for everything. The brexiteers of course want us to spend more of our
money on defence rather than getting the rest of the EU to spend more.

If we were in the EU we would be paying an even bigger share of the
defence costs and substantially more in real terms if the US was no
longer involved.
--
bert

In article , T i m
writes
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:34:49 -0000, "tim..."
wrote:



"dennis@home" wrote in message
...
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:

snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.

Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out (don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on NATO for

except that the UK wants an EU army like a hole in the head

Is this 'in your opinion' as I'm not sure I was ever asked either way
and can you cite any facts to back up your comment?

(I know facts aren't the 'Brexiteer Way') [1]

Cheers, T i m

I note you didn't ask the same question of the previous assertion by
Denise that the UK wanted an EU army. Typical remoaner cherry picking.
[1] That could be the new name for the motorway we are going to be
converting into a lorry park once the customs border goes back up.
Rubbish. Go look at the US/Canadian border.
--
bert

On 16/03/2018 19:12, bert wrote:
In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:
Â*snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.
Â*Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out (don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on NATO
for everything. The brexiteers of course want us to spend more of our
money on defence rather than getting the rest of the EU to spend more.

If we were in the EU we would be paying an even bigger share of the
defence costs and substantially more in real terms if the US was no
longer involved.

And?
Do you think leaving the EU will help keep American money flowing in?

In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
tim... wrote:
We don't seem to have cared much about Russians buying up half of
London.

Agreed, we don't seem to apply the same rule to people buying houses as
a means of living here that we do to other means. Perhaps we should,
but that's an entirely separate argument.

Not when Brexiteers blame EU immigration *only* for the lack of housing.

No we blame it for low wages also.

A good Tory like you want wages to go up? That'll be a first.

--
*If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 16/03/2018 19:12, bert wrote:
In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:
*snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.
*Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out (don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on NATO
for everything. The brexiteers of course want us to spend more of our
money on defence rather than getting the rest of the EU to spend
more.

If we were in the EU we would be paying an even bigger share of the
defence costs and substantially more in real terms if the US was no
longer involved.

And?
And what?
Do you think leaving the EU will help keep American money flowing in?

Staying in Nato will. EU army may not.
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
bert wrote:
In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
tim... wrote:
We don't seem to have cared much about Russians buying up half of
London.

Agreed, we don't seem to apply the same rule to people buying houses as
a means of living here that we do to other means. Perhaps we should,
but that's an entirely separate argument.

Not when Brexiteers blame EU immigration *only* for the lack of housing.

No we blame it for low wages also.

A good Tory like you want wages to go up? That'll be a first.

Just shows how ill informed (thick) you are.

--
bert

On 17/03/2018 16:19, bert wrote:
In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 16/03/2018 19:12, bert wrote:
In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:
Â*snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's
advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.
Â*Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out
(don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on NATO
for everything. The brexiteers of course want us to spend more of
our money on defence rather than getting the rest of the EU to spend
more.

If we were in the EU we would be paying an even bigger share of the
defence costs and substantially more in real terms if the US was no
longer involved.

And?
And what?
Do you think leaving the EU will help keep American money flowing in?

Staying in Nato will. EU army may not.

Who said anything about leaving NATO?

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:36:15 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , "dennis@home" wrote:

On 17/03/2018 16:19, bert wrote:
In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 16/03/2018 19:12, bert wrote:
In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:
*snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's
advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.
*Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out
(don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on NATO
for everything. The brexiteers of course want us to spend more of
our money on defence rather than getting the rest of the EU to spend
more.

If we were in the EU we would be paying an even bigger share of the
defence costs and substantially more in real terms if the US was no
longer involved.

And?
And what?
Do you think leaving the EU will help keep American money flowing in?

Staying in Nato will. EU army may not.

Who said anything about leaving NATO?

It appears that T r o l l thinks we are leaving NATO.

Bwhahaha ... how literally these left brainers take everything! Bless.

So, as usual 'Tim Stalker', you are 100% wrong.

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:35:24 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , bert wrote:

In article , T i m
writes
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:

snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's advantages,
especially in these unstable times?

It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.

Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out (don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

What makes you think we want out of NATO?

Nothing, I was taking the P of the whole 'the money could go to the
NHS instead' BS (as I thought was pretty clear). ;-(

You left brainers are *such* hard work ... ;-)

Cheer, T i m

In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 17/03/2018 16:19, bert wrote:
In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 16/03/2018 19:12, bert wrote:
In article , "dennis@home"
writes
On 14/03/2018 23:27, T i m wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:26:50 +0000, bert wrote:
*snip

I guess there are times when being in a gang can have it's
advantages,
especially in these unstable times?


It's called NATO
Rule no 1
An attack on a member is considered an attack on all.
*Hey, we are contributing more than other countries, we want out
(don't
we?) as that money could go on the NHS instead?

That is why the UK wants an EU army so we don't have to rely on
NATO for everything. The brexiteers of course want us to spend
more of our money on defence rather than getting the rest of the
EU to spend more.

If we were in the EU we would be paying an even bigger share of the
defence costs and substantially more in real terms if the US was no
longer involved.

And?
And what?
Do you think leaving the EU will help keep American money flowing in?

Staying in Nato will. EU army may not.

Who said anything about leaving NATO?

Well I didn't, did you?
--
bert