In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

That will explain us having the Euro as currency, then? Having no say in
decisions made by the EU?

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On 30/12/17 09:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

The noodle actually believes that. Sweet, isn't it?

Bless!

According to sources, every single law since Brexit that Britan opposed
has been pased by the EU!

Some influence

Ha ****ing ha!

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On 29 Dec 2017 14:10:27 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:49:12 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
This was followed by the 2001? Christmas edition of AbFab and I noticed
the name Jon Plowman on the list of credits. Is he a relative of yours
?.

Not as far as I know. But have never done any family tree, etc, tracing.
But Jon doesn't know of any link either.

One odd thing was a sister of my mother married a Plowman too - no
relation to my father. From the other end of the UK.

I knew a Plowman years ago at the University of Kent.

Not a particularly rare name and not really surprising as it is
derived from the occupation of a Ploughman which is a job that goes
back a very long time, not too far from here there is a business
which at one time was a nursery but has re branded as Plowmans Garden
Center.
Plowmen, Smith, Knight , Miller,Thatcher,Slater, Woodburn,Tanner are
other occupational names that go back centuries yet despite its
influence on our lives the Industrial revolution of the past 3
centuries doesn't seem to have created many that I can quickly think
of.
Are there many or any people call Miner, Fireman, Cablelayer, Latheman
etc. I have known a few Turners but don't know if the name goes back
a long way into wooden furniture making or from later metal working.
There are some Drivers as well but would think the derivation is from
shifting livestock rather than being on the footplate of the Rocket
and subsequent locomotives.

G.Harman



G.Harman

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:25:48 +0000, damduck-egg wrote:

On 29 Dec 2017 14:10:27 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:49:12 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
This was followed by the 2001? Christmas edition of AbFab and I
noticed the name Jon Plowman on the list of credits. Is he a relative
of yours ?.

Not as far as I know. But have never done any family tree, etc,
tracing.
But Jon doesn't know of any link either.

One odd thing was a sister of my mother married a Plowman too - no
relation to my father. From the other end of the UK.

I knew a Plowman years ago at the University of Kent.

Not a particularly rare name and not really surprising

Except that I have only ever heard of three. The one I knew, Dave, and a
Jon Plowman whose name crops up on TV.

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On 30/12/17 10:38, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:25:48 +0000, damduck-egg wrote:

On 29 Dec 2017 14:10:27 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:49:12 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
This was followed by the 2001? Christmas edition of AbFab and I
noticed the name Jon Plowman on the list of credits. Is he a relative
of yours ?.

Not as far as I know. But have never done any family tree, etc,
tracing.
But Jon doesn't know of any link either.

One odd thing was a sister of my mother married a Plowman too - no
relation to my father. From the other end of the UK.

I knew a Plowman years ago at the University of Kent.

Not a particularly rare name and not really surprising

Except that I have only ever heard of three.

Only one I have ever heard of is 'citizen Dave'

The one I knew, Dave, and a
Jon Plowman whose name crops up on TV.



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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/12/17 09:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

The noodle actually believes that. Sweet, isn't it?

Bless!

According to sources, every single law since Brexit that Britan opposed
has been pased by the EU!

Some influence

Ha ****ing ha!

Setting aside the value of "according to sources" as proof, I would
assume that if all these laws have been passed *since Brexit* it is a
clear demonstration of how much power we had before we decided to leave.
But perhaps you meant something else.



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On Saturday, 30 December 2017 10:38:44 UTC, Bob Eager wrote:
Except that I have only ever heard of three. The one I knew, Dave, and a
Jon Plowman whose name crops up on TV.

Don't forget Piers :-)

Owain

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 10:25:49 UTC, wrote:
Plowmen, Smith, Knight , Miller,Thatcher,Slater, Woodburn,Tanner are
other occupational names that go back centuries yet despite its
influence on our lives the Industrial revolution of the past 3
centuries doesn't seem to have created many that I can quickly think
of.

Most people already had established surnames by the time of the Industrial Revolution.

Of course in Wales you will find Dai Sparks, Dai Tractors and Dai Websites in the pub.

Owain

On 30/12/2017 10:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/12/17 09:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

The noodle actually believes that. Sweet, isn't it?

Bless!

According to sources, every single law since Brexit that Britan opposed
has been pased by the EU!

Some influence

Ha ****ing ha!


So they ignore the members that are leaving.
Why should members that are leaving have any influence over the clubs
direction and/or rules?

So how many of the laws the UK opposed before we gave up our influence
weren't passed according to sources?

You are pretty dumb if you think anyone other than brexiteers are stupid
enough to think what you said does anything other than support staying
in the EU so we do have some influence over EU laws that will still
affect us after we leave.

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:25:48 +0000, damduck-egg wrote:

On 29 Dec 2017 14:10:27 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:49:12 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
This was followed by the 2001? Christmas edition of AbFab and I
noticed the name Jon Plowman on the list of credits. Is he a relative
of yours ?.

Not as far as I know. But have never done any family tree, etc,
tracing.
But Jon doesn't know of any link either.

One odd thing was a sister of my mother married a Plowman too - no
relation to my father. From the other end of the UK.

I knew a Plowman years ago at the University of Kent.

Not a particularly rare name and not really surprising

Except that I have only ever heard of three. The one I knew, Dave, and a
Jon Plowman whose name crops up on TV.

There was a high court? judge much in the news at one time.

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In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/12/17 09:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

The noodle actually believes that. Sweet, isn't it?

Bless!

According to sources, every single law since Brexit that Britan opposed
has been pased by the EU!

Some influence

Ha ****ing ha!

Setting aside the value of "according to sources" as proof, I would
assume that if all these laws have been passed *since Brexit* it is a
clear demonstration of how much power we had before we decided to leave.
But perhaps you meant something else.

Leaving all that aside, lots of things we have had an opt out from. The
full contribution costs. The Euro. And so on.

Of course what a Brexiteer really means is we didn't get our own way over
everything. And outside the EU, will simply have no say at all on the
things which *will* effect us.

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On 30/12/17 11:01, Roger Hayter wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/12/17 09:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

The noodle actually believes that. Sweet, isn't it?

Bless!

According to sources, every single law since Brexit that Britan opposed
has been pased by the EU!

Some influence

Ha ****ing ha!

Setting aside the value of "according to sources" as proof, I would
assume that if all these laws have been passed *since Brexit* it is a
clear demonstration of how much power we had before we decided to leave.
But perhaps you meant something else.


I merant that while still IN the EU, we have not been poaid a attention
whatsoever





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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 03:21:42 -0800, spuorgelgoog wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 10:38:44 UTC, Bob Eager wrote:
Except that I have only ever heard of three. The one I knew, Dave, and
a Jon Plowman whose name crops up on TV.

Don't forget Piers :-)

Owain

I try to.



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On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 03:27:47 -0800, spuorgelgoog wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 10:25:49 UTC, wrote:
Plowmen, Smith, Knight , Miller,Thatcher,Slater, Woodburn,Tanner are
other occupational names that go back centuries yet despite its
influence on our lives the Industrial revolution of the past 3
centuries doesn't seem to have created many that I can quickly think
of.

Most people already had established surnames by the time of the
Industrial Revolution.

Of course in Wales you will find Dai Sparks, Dai Tractors and Dai
Websites in the pub.

Reminds me of the old story:

A Russian spy was dropped by parachute in the Welsh hills with
instructions to contact a Mr Jones in the small village of Llanfair and
give him the coded message: €œThe tulips are blooming well today.€�

Arriving at the village he asked a small boy where Mr Jones lived and was
directed to a small cottage.

He knocked on the door and the owner emerged: €œAre you Mr Jones?€�

€œI am.€�

€œThe tulips are blooming well today.€�

Mr Jones stared at him in amazement then smiled: €œAh, you must have the
wrong house.

€œIt's Jones the Spy you want.€�

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On 30/12/2017 10:25, wrote:

Are there many or any people call Miner, Fireman, Cablelayer, Latheman
etc. I have known a few Turners but don't know if the name goes back
a long way into wooden furniture making or from later metal working.
There are some Drivers as well but would think the derivation is from
shifting livestock rather than being on the footplate of the Rocket
and subsequent locomotives.



If surnames today were dictated by the type of job you did then
Jobsworth would be no 1.

Lazy******* would be no 2.

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In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/12/17 11:01, Roger Hayter wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/12/17 09:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

The noodle actually believes that. Sweet, isn't it?

Bless!

According to sources, every single law since Brexit that Britan
opposed has been pased by the EU!

Some influence

Ha ****ing ha!

Setting aside the value of "according to sources" as proof, I would
assume that if all these laws have been passed *since Brexit* it is a
clear demonstration of how much power we had before we decided to
leave. But perhaps you meant something else.


I merant that while still IN the EU, we have not been poaid a attention
whatsoever

Now explain the Euro. Question too difficult for you? It's the currency
used by most of the EU - including all the major countries.

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
By the same logic, we should no longer be subject to new directives and
regulations, post referendum day. Nor should we be paying our weekly
fee.

Nice idea, isn't it? The EU sets standards for goods traded within it.
Outside the EU we will be allowed to sell them any old rubbish. Dream on...

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In article ,
wrote:
I knew a Plowman years ago at the University of Kent.

Not a particularly rare name and not really surprising as it is
derived from the occupation of a Ploughman which is a job that goes
back a very long time, not too far from here there is a business
which at one time was a nursery but has re branded as Plowmans Garden
Center.

Interesting that although the spelling changed to ploughman many hundreds
of years ago, I've never seen that used as a surname.

It certainly confuses a non native speaker. Who tend to pronounce it with
an 'o'. Very handy with cold callers from abroad. You can truthfully say
no such person here. ;-)

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On 30/12/2017 12:28, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , "dennis@home" wrote:

On 30/12/2017 10:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/12/17 09:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

The noodle actually believes that. Sweet, isn't it?

Bless!

According to sources, every single law since Brexit that Britan
opposed has been pased by the EU!

Some influence

Ha ****ing ha!


So they ignore the members that are leaving.
Why should members that are leaving have any influence over the clubs
direction and/or rules?

By the same logic, we should no longer be subject to new directives and
regulations, post referendum day. Nor should we be paying our weekly
fee.


Wrong as usual.
They have something the UK wants and they are going to charge for it.
We can either take it or leave it but we will be worse off leaving it
and not so worse off taking it. Of course we would be better off if we
were a member.


Thats the trouble with brexiteers, no idea about economics.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Wrong as usual.
They have something the UK wants and they are going to charge for it.

Blackmail us for it, you mean.

Always thought you Brexiteers were free loaders.

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wrote in message
...
On 29 Dec 2017 14:10:27 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:49:12 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Andrew wrote:
This was followed by the 2001? Christmas edition of AbFab and I noticed
the name Jon Plowman on the list of credits. Is he a relative of yours
?.

Not as far as I know. But have never done any family tree, etc, tracing.
But Jon doesn't know of any link either.

One odd thing was a sister of my mother married a Plowman too - no
relation to my father. From the other end of the UK.

I knew a Plowman years ago at the University of Kent.

Not a particularly rare name and not really surprising as it is
derived from the occupation of a Ploughman which is a job that goes
back a very long time, not too far from here there is a business
which at one time was a nursery but has re branded as Plowmans Garden
Center.
Plowmen, Smith, Knight , Miller,Thatcher,Slater, Woodburn,Tanner are
other occupational names that go back centuries yet despite its
influence on our lives the Industrial revolution of the past 3
centuries doesn't seem to have created many that I can quickly think
of.
Are there many or any people call Miner, Fireman, Cablelayer, Latheman
etc. I have known a few Turners but don't know if the name goes back
a long way into wooden furniture making or from later metal working.
There are some Drivers as well but would think the derivation is from
shifting livestock rather than being on the footplate of the Rocket
and subsequent locomotives.

All that shows is that family names got fixed
much earlier than the industrial revolution.

The jews particularly were forced to have them rather later.

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:12:58 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Nice idea, isn't it? The EU sets standards for goods traded within it.
Outside the EU we will be allowed to sell them any old rubbish. Dream on...

China sells us any old rubbish.

Owain

Tim Streater wrote:

In article , "dennis@home" wrote:

On 30/12/2017 12:28, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , "dennis@home" wrote:

On 30/12/2017 10:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/12/17 09:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Cursitor Doom
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:42:57 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

We had at least some influence on EU decisions when a member.

Hardly! I don't know how you can say that without a smiley, Dave.

The noodle actually believes that. Sweet, isn't it?

Bless!

According to sources, every single law since Brexit that Britan
opposed has been pased by the EU!

Some influence

Ha ****ing ha!


So they ignore the members that are leaving.
Why should members that are leaving have any influence over the clubs
direction and/or rules?

By the same logic, we should no longer be subject to new directives and
regulations, post referendum day. Nor should we be paying our weekly
fee.


Wrong as usual.
They have something the UK wants and they are going to charge for it.

Blackmail us for it, you mean.

I don't think you've quite got the idea of commercial negotiations.
They aren't our mum, and they're not asking us to do anything illegal.
We've said we have no interest in their voluntary association of
countries and want a commercial bargain with them. What. precisely, do
they owe us, except a hard bargain with the maximal benefit to each side
that can be achieved by bargaining?
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wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:12:58 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Nice idea, isn't it? The EU sets standards for goods traded within it.
Outside the EU we will be allowed to sell them any old rubbish. Dream on...

China sells us any old rubbish.

Owain

Yes, but their rubbish is cheap enough for us not to care. I am not
sure we could achieve that.

--

Roger Hayter

In article ,
Roger Hayter wrote:
Blackmail us for it, you mean.

I don't think you've quite got the idea of commercial negotiations.
They aren't our mum, and they're not asking us to do anything illegal.
We've said we have no interest in their voluntary association of
countries and want a commercial bargain with them. What. precisely, do
they owe us, except a hard bargain with the maximal benefit to each side
that can be achieved by bargaining?

But that's foul play. We were told the EU need us more than we need them,
and they would soon roll over and give in to our every demand. Surely this
isn't yet another Brexit dream shattered?

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