Some time this year my home will need to have a new boiler. Existing is nigh
on 40 years old and now barely able to cope.
This afternoon I noticed this ad on a webpage.

http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/?gcl...FfLLtAoduzUAqQ

Never heard of them before and have absolutely no connection with the
outfit. Nothing lasts for ever and of course the site makes the most of the
plus points.

Any thoughts or comments please.
Nick.

In article ,
says...

Some time this year my home will need to have a new boiler. Existing is nigh
on 40 years old and now barely able to cope.
This afternoon I noticed this ad on a webpage.

http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/?gcl...FfLLtAoduzUAqQ

Never heard of them before and have absolutely no connection with the
outfit. Nothing lasts for ever and of course the site makes the most of the
plus points.

Any thoughts or comments please.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=4247575

is relevant, in part.


--
Sam

Nick wrote:
Some time this year my home will need to have a new boiler. Existing
is nigh on 40 years old and now barely able to cope.
This afternoon I noticed this ad on a webpage.

http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/?gcl...FfLLtAoduzUAqQ

Never heard of them before and have absolutely no connection with the
outfit. Nothing lasts for ever and of course the site makes the most
of the plus points.

Any thoughts or comments please.

It looks like you are renting a boiler for £8.79 a week. And as their web
site gives litle info on the terms and conditions:-)

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Adam

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:53:29 -0000, "Nick"
wrote:


Any thoughts or comments please.

£456 per year (or more if you have an older system (which they don't
define) to rent a boiler seems rather steep. Especially as they can
increase the rate each year as they fancy. I can't find out what the
minimum contract period is nor what they do with the boiler if you
cancel the contract.

On 27/02/2013 21:19, ARW wrote:
Nick wrote:


It looks like you are renting a boiler for £8.79 a week. And as their web
site gives litle info on the terms and conditions:-)


A _minimum_ of £8.79 a week and as you say no mention of the minimum
contract period. The £8.79 is probably for a straight boiler swap.

Implied is the hard sell by the surveyor for extras like solar panels.

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mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk

Peter Parry wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:53:29 -0000, "Nick"
wrote:


Any thoughts or comments please.

£456 per year (or more if you have an older system (which they don't
define) to rent a boiler seems rather steep. Especially as they can
increase the rate each year as they fancy. I can't find out what the
minimum contract period is nor what they do with the boiler if you
cancel the contract.

And what boiler do they fit?

http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/product/

"In a world where everything is mass produced by machines, our boiler is
handmade and built to last. Everlasting Boilers are designed with solid,
reliable components made from steel, brass and copper rather than plastic.

The average life expectancy of an ordinary boiler is less than 10 years but
with our system installed you'll have a boiler for life. This not only means
the boiler will last but it will always run as well as the day it was
installed. If anything does go wrong and the boiler can't be fixed we will
replace it at no cost to you. "



So it will always work as well as the day it was installed BUT f it DOES
break down:-)


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Adam

In article ,
Nick wrote:
Some time this year my home will need to have a new boiler. Existing is nigh
on 40 years old and now barely able to cope.
This afternoon I noticed this ad on a webpage.

http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/?gcl...FfLLtAoduzUAqQ

Never heard of them before and have absolutely no connection with the
outfit. Nothing lasts for ever and of course the site makes the most of the
plus points.

Any thoughts or comments please.
Nick.


400 quid a year depreciation? That would make the life of a 1200 quid
boiler 3 years. Or an 800 quid one (probably closer to the average) 2
years.

It looks like the sort of figures Dribble used to quote.

I dunno their boiler, but what they're offering is a sort of rental
scheme. Not an everlasting boiler as such. And renting such things has
never made any sense at all.

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*Forget about World Peace...Visualize using your turn signal.

Dave Plowman London SW
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On 27/02/2013 20:53, Nick wrote:
Some time this year my home will need to have a new boiler. Existing is nigh
on 40 years old and now barely able to cope.
This afternoon I noticed this ad on a webpage.

http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/?gcl...FfLLtAoduzUAqQ

Never heard of them before and have absolutely no connection with the
outfit. Nothing lasts for ever and of course the site makes the most of the
plus points.

Any thoughts or comments please.
Nick.


Their gas savings claims are based on the assumption that you have a
crap boiler now. But efficient boilers have been available long enough
that this is no longer a reasonable assumption.

--
Rod

In article ,
polygonum wrote:
Their gas savings claims are based on the assumption that you have a
crap boiler now. But efficient boilers have been available long enough
that this is no longer a reasonable assumption.

Just plucked out of the air, since gas consumption depends on so many
things - not just the boiler design.

--
*Does fuzzy logic tickle? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Feb 28, 12:13*am, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
In article ,
* *Nick wrote:

Some time this year my home will need to have a new boiler. Existing is nigh
on 40 years old and now barely able to cope.
This afternoon I noticed this ad on a webpage.
http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/?gcl...FfLLtAoduzUAqQ
Never heard of them before and have absolutely no connection with the
outfit. Nothing lasts for ever and of course the site makes the most of the
plus points.
Any thoughts or comments please.
Nick.

400 quid a year depreciation? That would make the life of a 1200 quid
boiler 3 years. Or an 800 quid one (probably closer to the average) 2
years.

You could probably have a modern efficient boiler fitted, pay for a BG
service contract and *still* save money compared to that deal :-)

MBQ

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:31:14 -0000, ARW wrote:

http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/product/

"In a world where everything is mass produced by machines, our boiler
is handmade and built to last. Everlasting Boilers are designed with
solid, reliable components made from steel, brass and copper rather
than plastic.

How much plastic is in an ordinary modern boiler? The few I have looked
at seem to be mostly steel, brass and copper, with some aluminium.

The average life expectancy of an ordinary boiler is less than 10 years
but with our system installed you'll have a boiler for life. This not
only means the boiler will last but it will always run as well as the
day it was installed.

What is the connection between the life of an "ordinary boiler" and
"you'll have a boiler for life" and the actual life expecantantcy of
their boiler?

Far too much use of weasel marketing words for my likeing.

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Cheers
Dave.

In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
How much plastic is in an ordinary modern boiler? The few I have looked
at seem to be mostly steel, brass and copper, with some aluminium.

On my Viessmann, the entire bottom tray that contains the electronics and
all the electrical connections.

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*Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:53:29 +0000, Nick wrote:

Some time this year my home will need to have a new boiler. Existing is
nigh on 40 years old and now barely able to cope.
This afternoon I noticed this ad on a webpage.

http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/?gcl...FfLLtAoduzUAqQ

Never heard of them before and have absolutely no connection with the
outfit. Nothing lasts for ever and of course the site makes the most of
the plus points.

Any thoughts or comments please.
Nick.

From a general read through this seems priced to pick up people paying a BG
maintenance contract of £30+ per month for an old suspect boiler and who
have no capital reserves or spare income for a loan.

In that case the price looks quite reasonable - if you can't afford a new
boiler, can't afford another loan and you are already laying out most of
the money then where else can you go?

For anyone who can finance the purchase and fitting of a new boiler (not
via BG) and doesn't feel the need for a maintenance contract from BG then
I can't see how this does cost in.

Buy a good quality combi with a 5 year warranty and that covers most of
your risk.

A lot may be based on the FUD people feel towards heating systems.
Quite a few fear based justifications on the MSE site.

Cheers

Dave R

On Wednesday, 27 February 2013 20:53:29 UTC, Nick wrote:
Some time this year my home will need to have a new boiler. Existing is nigh

on 40 years old and now barely able to cope.

This afternoon I noticed this ad on a webpage.



http://everlastingboilers.co.uk/?gcl...FfLLtAoduzUAqQ



Never heard of them before and have absolutely no connection with the

outfit. Nothing lasts for ever and of course the site makes the most of the

plus points.



Any thoughts or comments please.

Nick.

There has been a complaint about their advertisement, which has been upheld by the ASA. (13th April 2013)

For full details see:-
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...DJ_217475.aspx

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ASA Adjudication on A Shade Greener Ltd
A Shade Greener Ltd t/a Everlasting Boiler Ltd
Sterling House
Maple Court
Tankersley
South Yorkshire
S75 3DP
Date:
3 April 2013
Media:
Internet (on own site)
Sector:
Business
Number of complaints:
1
Complaint Ref:
A12-217475
Background
Summary of Council decision:
Two issues were investigated, both of which were Upheld.
---------------------------------------------------------

Dave Roberts

On 16/05/2013 15:41, wrote:
There has been a complaint about their advertisement, which has been upheld by the ASA. (13th April 2013)

For full details see:-
http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...DJ_217475.aspx

They have a small print disclaimer as follows - presumably created after
the ruling?:

"Everlasting Boilers" is a company name and trademark and is not
intended to imply that boilers used by us are everlasting but simply
that our "boiler replacement agreement" means that you will never have
to worry about your gas boiler again as all repairs, service, boiler
supply, installation and maintenance are completely covered by a monthly
payment and no upfront or additional costs whatsoever.
--
David