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I've had three different ISP's over the last 10 years or so. I am still
able to use the email accounts I set up with the first two even though I switched from the first provider about 10 years ago and the second, about two years ago. I can only receive email from the oldest one but I can send and receive mail with the second. Is there any particular reason why these accounts are still live after I have moved to a new ISP? |
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On 03/09/10 18:53, Wesley wrote:
I've had three different ISP's over the last 10 years or so. I am still able to use the email accounts I set up with the first two even though I switched from the first provider about 10 years ago and the second, about two years ago. I can only receive email from the oldest one but I can send and receive mail with the second. Is there any particular reason why these accounts are still live after I have moved to a new ISP? Incompetence. -- Bernard Peek |
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Bernard Peek wrote:
On 03/09/10 18:53, Wesley wrote: I've had three different ISP's over the last 10 years or so. I am still able to use the email accounts I set up with the first two even though I switched from the first provider about 10 years ago and the second, about two years ago. I can only receive email from the oldest one but I can send and receive mail with the second. Is there any particular reason why these accounts are still live after I have moved to a new ISP? Incompetence. ITYM incempitonce.. ;-) |
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I've had three different ISP's over the last 10 years or so. I am still able to use the email accounts I set up with the first two even though I switched from the first provider about 10 years ago and the second, about two years ago. I can only receive email from the oldest one but I can send and receive mail with the second. Is there any particular reason why these accounts are still live after I have moved to a new ISP? Name names, they might interest us. How are you sending mail on the "oldest" account? If you are using the SMTP server corresponding to that account it isn't surprising you can't send. Try using the SMTP server of your current ISP, you might well find that it works. I have a couple of Freeserve email addresses that are over 10 years old and still work even though I haven't used the Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange accounts for many years, although being PAYG dial-up accounts I suppose I am technically still a customer. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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"Graham." wrote in message ... I've had three different ISP's over the last 10 years or so. I am still able to use the email accounts I set up with the first two even though I switched from the first provider about 10 years ago and the second, about two years ago. I can only receive email from the oldest one but I can send and receive mail with the second. Is there any particular reason why these accounts are still live after I have moved to a new ISP? Name names, they might interest us. How are you sending mail on the "oldest" account? If you are using the SMTP server corresponding to that account it isn't surprising you can't send. Try using the SMTP server of your current ISP, you might well find that it works. I have a couple of Freeserve email addresses that are over 10 years old and still work even though I haven't used the Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange accounts for many years, although being PAYG dial-up accounts I suppose I am technically still a customer. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% Well, the first is t***ali and the second is s*y. (Not sure if I should be revealing these!) I tried using my current SMTP server for the oldest email account and - it works - I can still send emails! I still can't figure out why the accounts are still live? |
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On 03/09/2010 20:43, Wesley wrote:
Well, the first is t***ali and the second is s*y. (Not sure if I should be revealing these!) I tried using my current SMTP server for the oldest email account and - it works - I can still send emails! I still can't figure out why the accounts are still live? When you migrate from one ISP to another, its seems to be fairly common for ISPs to downgrade subscription accounts to PAYG accounts, and leave them in place. I've still got working Freeserve accounts, but they haven't been my ISP for quite a few years. I can receive emails from the Freeserve/Wanaddoo/Orange POP server whilst being physically connected to my current ISP's server, and can send emails from my Freeserve address by using my current ISP's SMTP server. I do get the occasional email from Freeserve(Orange) saying that the account will be zapped if I don't dial in - or re-activate it via their web interface, so I do the latter when required. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:57:07 +0100, Roger Mills wrote:
On 03/09/2010 20:43, Wesley wrote: Well, the first is t***ali and the second is s*y. (Not sure if I should be revealing these!) I tried using my current SMTP server for the oldest email account and - it works - I can still send emails! I still can't figure out why the accounts are still live? When you migrate from one ISP to another, its seems to be fairly common for ISPs to downgrade subscription accounts to PAYG accounts, and leave them in place. I've still got working Freeserve accounts, but they haven't been my ISP for quite a few years. I can receive emails from the Freeserve/Wanaddoo/Orange POP server whilst being physically connected to my current ISP's server, and can send emails from my Freeserve address by using my current ISP's SMTP server. I do get the occasional email from Freeserve(Orange) saying that the account will be zapped if I don't dial in - or re-activate it via their web interface, so I do the latter when required. So long as you don't expect or come to rely on this - because one day these email accounts will just go away. If you do need persistent email accounts, the only reliable way to assure them is to buy your own domain/hosting and have have all your email addresses (note: plural, there's no reason to just have one) routed back to your home machine. -- http://www.thisreallyismyhost.99k.or...9190352936.php |
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On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:51:00 GMT, pete
wrote: On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:57:07 +0100, Roger Mills wrote: On 03/09/2010 20:43, Wesley wrote: Well, the first is t***ali and the second is s*y. (Not sure if I should be revealing these!) I tried using my current SMTP server for the oldest email account and - it works - I can still send emails! I still can't figure out why the accounts are still live? When you migrate from one ISP to another, its seems to be fairly common for ISPs to downgrade subscription accounts to PAYG accounts, and leave them in place. I've still got working Freeserve accounts, but they haven't been my ISP for quite a few years. I can receive emails from the Freeserve/Wanaddoo/Orange POP server whilst being physically connected to my current ISP's server, and can send emails from my Freeserve address by using my current ISP's SMTP server. I do get the occasional email from Freeserve(Orange) saying that the account will be zapped if I don't dial in - or re-activate it via their web interface, so I do the latter when required. So long as you don't expect or come to rely on this - because one day these email accounts will just go away. If you do need persistent email accounts, the only reliable way to assure them is to buy your own domain/hosting and have have all your email addresses (note: plural, there's no reason to just have one) routed back to your home machine Or use the freebies, Gmail, Hotmail for example. And I've been using a free redirect since the early 90's which has allowed me to retain the same email address despite changing ISPs several times. |
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On 03/09/2010 22:51, pete wrote:
On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:57:07 +0100, Roger Mills wrote: I do get the occasional email from Freeserve(Orange) saying that the account will be zapped if I don't dial in - or re-activate it via their web interface, so I do the latter when required. So long as you don't expect or come to rely on this - because one day these email accounts will just go away. If you do need persistent email accounts, the only reliable way to assure them is to buy your own domain/hosting and have have all your email addresses (note: plural, there's no reason to just have one) routed back to your home machine. Yes, indeed - it *could* happen. In fact, a few years ago, it *did* happen - when Orange zapped thousands of allegedly unused PAYG accounts without warning. There was such a public outcry that they had to reinstate them! I don't use my Freeserve account for anything important, but it's useful because you can generate an unlimited number of 'throw-away' email addresses. Every time I buy something from an on-line supplier who insists on having an email address and password, I generate a unique one for that supplier - e.g. I can then see who sells addresses to spammers! -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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"Wesley" wrote in message news I tried using my current SMTP server for the oldest email account and - it works - I can still send emails! You can send from any email address you like using most ISPs SMTP servers. Try using and it will probably work. Its why there is so much spam, the mail protocol is poor and ISPs don't enforce logging in to send mail. Its what happens to the reply that matters to you. |
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On 03/09/2010 20:43, Wesley wrote:
wrote in message ... I've had three different ISP's over the last 10 years or so. I am still able to use the email accounts I set up with the first two even though I switched from the first provider about 10 years ago and the second, about two years ago. I can only receive email from the oldest one but I can send and receive mail with the second. Is there any particular reason why these accounts are still live after I have moved to a new ISP? Name names, they might interest us. How are you sending mail on the "oldest" account? If you are using the SMTP server corresponding to that account it isn't surprising you can't send. Try using the SMTP server of your current ISP, you might well find that it works. I have a couple of Freeserve email addresses that are over 10 years old and still work even though I haven't used the Freeserve/Wanadoo/Orange accounts for many years, although being PAYG dial-up accounts I suppose I am technically still a customer. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% Well, the first is t***ali and the second is s*y. (Not sure if I should be revealing these!) I tried using my current SMTP server for the oldest email account and - it works - I can still send emails! Be carefull! Some users have mail systems which compare the sender's e-mail address with the IP address it is sent from. If the sender's address is and the IP address is registered to abc.co.uk, the mail will be rejected. (Simple precaution against spammers.) It may well work for a lot of your mail but be cautious if your mail is important! -- Terry |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 00:06:49 +0100, Terry Casey wrote:
Some users have mail systems which compare the sender's e-mail address with the IP address it is sent from. If the sender's address is and the IP address is registered to abc.co.uk, the mail will be rejected. (Simple precaution against spammers.) But only to raise the spam score a little. Rejection based on that would be on very dodgy ground. Think of people using their ISPs smarthost to send mail but From: their registered domain, the look up of which would point to the system that accepts mail for them. Their *might* be a "designated sender" but generally speaking most don't have that set. -- Cheers Dave. |
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"Wesley" wrote in message o.uk... I've had three different ISP's over the last 10 years or so. I am still able to use the email accounts I set up with the first two even though I switched from the first provider about 10 years ago and the second, about two years ago. I can only receive email from the oldest one but I can send and receive mail with the second. Is there any particular reason why these accounts are still live after I have moved to a new ISP? I confess I was with Tiscali before I moved to BE! They were pretty quick in cutting off my email, not a problem, I didn't use it for anything. The free webspace was usefull and I was a tiny bit sad to see it go, see if yours is still accesable (if you ever activated it). They did allow me to continue logging in to my account for a while after I migrated, which was usful as I needed to print off the last couple of invoices to claim back on expenses. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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