Who is Sarah Beeney ? Does she _do_ anything, or is she just someone
on the telly ?

She is a successful property developer!

MM

Do we have any evidence that she is a successful developer - other
than C4 publicity ? Based on the state of her own flat as amusingly
exposed on "Britain's Best Homos" I would say the jury is out.

Chris J Dixon wrote:
Mike Mitchell wrote:

God, didn't you just want to push that woman off the top of her
unfinished roof!

Don't the regs require the bannister rails to be something much
more substantial with smaller gaps?

Chris

Yes they are very specific about this. I believe a 300mm sphere should not
be able to go through anywhere.
Presumably this is to simulate a child's head

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:35:11 -0000, "Bill Gardener"
wrote:

The best bit for me was when they stayed at the Red Cow pub, very
fitting!

Maybe they'll be renaming it Mad Cow.

MM

or maybe Mad Red Cow as she did have very red hair!

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:19:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

After all its always much easier to PRETEND that you are clever,

IMM springs to mind :-)

LOL. so funny. Read and learn.


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Who is Sarah Beeney ? Does she _do_ anything, or is she just someone
on the telly ?

She is a successful property developer!

MM

Do we have any evidence that she is a successful developer - other
than C4 publicity ? Based on the state of her own flat as amusingly
exposed on "Britain's Best Homos" I would say the jury is out.

Yes, that was a disgrace to the hunchback race.


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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:19:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
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After all its always much easier to PRETEND that you are clever,

IMM springs to mind :-)



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Kris

"BillR" wrote in message


[bannister gaps]

Yes they are very specific about this. I believe a 300mm sphere
should not be able to go through anywhere.

Try 100mm.

Presumably this is to simulate a child's head

You know some weird looking kids

Do we have any evidence that she is a successful developer - other
than C4 publicity ? Based on the state of her own flat as amusingly
exposed on "Britain's Best Homos" I would say the jury is out.

Sounds like the apocryphal electrician's house with rubber wires sticking
out of the walls, or the plumber's house where you have to sh*t in a bucket.
Too busy out making money and don't want to return home to do what you've
been doing at work all day.

Christian.

Christian McArdle wrote:

Do we have any evidence that she is a successful developer - other
than C4 publicity ? Based on the state of her own flat as amusingly
exposed on "Britain's Best Homos" I would say the jury is out.

Sounds like the apocryphal electrician's house with rubber wires sticking
out of the walls, or the plumber's house where you have to sh*t in a bucket.
Too busy out making money and don't want to return home to do what you've
been doing at work all day.

Yes. My father was a professional photographer. I have NO pictures of my
wedding.

"S Viemeister" wrote in message
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Christian McArdle wrote:

Do we have any evidence that she is a successful developer - other
than C4 publicity ? Based on the state of her own flat as amusingly
exposed on "Britain's Best Homos" I would say the jury is out.

Sounds like the apocryphal electrician's house with rubber wires
sticking
out of the walls, or the plumber's house where you have to sh*t in a
bucket.
Too busy out making money and don't want to return home to do what
you've
been doing at work all day.

Yes. My father was a professional photographer. I have NO pictures of my
wedding.

Most people would consider that a good thing.


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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:23:07 +0000, Mike Mitchell
wrote:

This show tonight was the nadir of Property Ladder.

Nadir or zenith ?

I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two bedroom terrace
is London is now worth near to half a million pounds. You can buy a five
bedroom detached house, 10 acres of land and a barn larger than that whole
terrace house (upstairs and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.
And I mean easy commuting, not the up to two hours there and again back I
gather some people down there do.

When is this government going to decentralise, starting with the thing it
can influence - the civil service.

Yes. My father was a professional photographer. I have NO pictures
of my wedding.

Most people would consider that a good thing.

I'm sure that came out ruder than expected!

Christian.

"G&M" wrote in message
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:23:07 +0000, Mike Mitchell
wrote:

This show tonight was the nadir of Property Ladder.

Nadir or zenith ?

I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two bedroom
terrace
is London is now worth near to half a million pounds. You can buy a five
bedroom detached house, 10 acres of land and a barn larger than that whole
terrace house (upstairs and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.
And I mean easy commuting, not the up to two hours there and again back I
gather some people down there do.

Where was that house? What area of London? The sort that buy those houses
generally also have a house in country.

When is this government going to decentralise,
starting with the thing it
can influence - the civil service.

Great idea. Get all the departments out of London. They started in the 1970s
but Thatcher stopped it: Social Security at Newcastle, DVLA in Swansea, etc.


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Christian McArdle wrote:

Yes. My father was a professional photographer. I have NO pictures
of my wedding.

Most people would consider that a good thing.

I'm sure that came out ruder than expected!

Especially since I was actually quite attractive back then. Hmmph.

IMM wrote:

"Kris" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 11:19:42 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


After all its always much easier to PRETEND that you are clever,

IMM springs to mind :-)


LOL. so funny. Read and learn.



I suspect the comment came as a direct result of following the course of
action you prescribe....actually ;-)

G&M wrote:

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:23:07 +0000, Mike Mitchell
wrote:


This show tonight was the nadir of Property Ladder.

Nadir or zenith ?


I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two bedroom terrace
is London is now worth near to half a million pounds. You can buy a five
bedroom detached house, 10 acres of land and a barn larger than that whole
terrace house (upstairs and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.
And I mean easy commuting, not the up to two hours there and again back I
gather some people down there do.

When is this government going to decentralise, starting with the thing it
can influence - the civil service.




Indeed. But then you would have all those grotty no hoper suits
cluutering up the countryside and suburbanising it even more.

I say have a quiet word with Osama, and poison the whole of london.

Where is shipman when you need him?

IMM wrote:

"G&M" wrote in message
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:23:07 +0000, Mike Mitchell
wrote:


This show tonight was the nadir of Property Ladder.

Nadir or zenith ?

I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two bedroom

terrace

is London is now worth near to half a million pounds. You can buy a five
bedroom detached house, 10 acres of land and a barn larger than that whole
terrace house (upstairs and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.
And I mean easy commuting, not the up to two hours there and again back I
gather some people down there do.


Where was that house? What area of London? The sort that buy those houses
generally also have a house in country.



How little you know of life!



When is this government going to decentralise,
starting with the thing it
can influence - the civil service.


Great idea. Get all the departments out of London. They started in the 1970s
but Thatcher stopped it: Social Security at Newcastle, DVLA in Swansea, etc.



There's a place waiting for you in Cuba, IMM.

In article , G&M wrote:
I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two
bedroom terrace is London is now worth near to half a million
pounds. You can buy a five bedroom detached house, 10 acres of
land and a barn larger than that whole terrace house (upstairs
and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.

You can, and, as we repeatedly point out to IMM, people who have the
money to make such choices would, for the most part, much rather
have a poky cottage in Richmond than a barn near Manchester. I don't
see it myself but ultimately things are worth what people are
prepared to pay for them. IMM's claim that the people who pay these
sums for poky cottages all have second homes in the country, if
true, merely shows that living in £300K house at weekends and in
town during the week beats commuting from a £700K house in the back
of nowhere.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:22:43 GMT, Tony Bryer
wrote:

In article , G&M wrote:
I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two
bedroom terrace is London is now worth near to half a million
pounds. You can buy a five bedroom detached house, 10 acres of
land and a barn larger than that whole terrace house (upstairs
and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.

You can, and, as we repeatedly point out to IMM, people who have the
money to make such choices would, for the most part, much rather
have a poky cottage in Richmond than a barn near Manchester.

Really? Surely its the case that people think that they *have* to
live in the vicinity of the capital, because that's where all the
overpaid jobs are, that enable to people to afford ludicrous
mortgages, so that they can afford to live near the capital, etc.,
etc. I can't think of any reason why anyone would actually *want* to
live and/or work the open sewer otherwise known as London: personally,
you'd have to pay me half a million to tolerate doing either ;-)

Julian

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

"G&M" wrote in message
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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:23:07 +0000, Mike Mitchell
wrote:


This show tonight was the nadir of Property Ladder.

Nadir or zenith ?

I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two bedroom

terrace

is London is now worth near to half a million pounds. You can buy a
five
bedroom detached house, 10 acres of land and a barn larger than that
whole
terrace house (upstairs and down) within commuting distance of
Manchester.
And I mean easy commuting, not the up to two hours there and again back
I
gather some people down there do.

Where was that house? What area of London? The sort that buy those
houses
generally also have a house in country.

How little you know of life!

When is this government going to decentralise,
starting with the thing it
can influence - the civil service.


Great idea. Get all the departments out of London. They started in the
1970s
but Thatcher stopped it: Social Security at Newcastle, DVLA in Swansea,
etc.

There's a place waiting for you in Cuba, IMM.

Great place. I was thee last year.


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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G&M wrote:

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 21:23:07 +0000, Mike Mitchell
wrote:


This show tonight was the nadir of Property Ladder.

Nadir or zenith ?


I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two bedroom
terrace
is London is now worth near to half a million pounds. You can buy a
five
bedroom detached house, 10 acres of land and a barn larger than that
whole
terrace house (upstairs and down) within commuting distance of
Manchester.
And I mean easy commuting, not the up to two hours there and again back
I
gather some people down there do.

When is this government going to decentralise, starting with the thing
it
can influence - the civil service.




Indeed. But then you would have all those grotty no hoper suits
cluutering up the countryside and suburbanising it even more.

Oh brainwashed one. Only 7.5% of the land is built on. Too much of it to
build to make any impact at all.


I say have a quiet word with Osama, and poison the whole of london.

Where is shipman when you need him?








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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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I say have a quiet word with Osama, and poison the whole of london.

Where is shipman when you need him?

He was doing his stuff about five miles from here :-)

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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In article , G&M wrote:
I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two
bedroom terrace is London is now worth near to half a million
pounds. You can buy a five bedroom detached house, 10 acres of
land and a barn larger than that whole terrace house (upstairs
and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.

You can, and, as we repeatedly point out to IMM,
people who have the money to make such choices
would, for the most part, much rather
have a poky cottage in Richmond than a barn near
Manchester.

Balls! Not everyone wants to live in London. Most people in the UK detest
the place.

I don't see it myself but ultimately things
are worth what people are prepared to pay
for them.

Balls again. In a rigged land market the situation is different. There is
an "artificial" land shortage. Why don't you find out instead of prattling
garbage.

IMM's claim that the people who pay these
sums for poky cottages all have second homes
in the country, if true, merely shows that living
in £300K house at weekends and in
town during the week beats commuting from
a £700K house in the back
of nowhere.

More tripe. As soon as those people no longer rely on the city for there
living, they get out sharpies to there £700K house.



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"IMM" wrote in message
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When is this government going to decentralise, starting with the thing
it can influence - the civil service.

Great idea. Get all the departments out of London. They started in the
1970s
but Thatcher stopped it: Social Security at Newcastle, DVLA in Swansea,
etc.

I think it was more down to that episode of Yes Prime Minister when the head
of the armed forces refused to move out of London "because how could the
wife get to Harrods"

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
...
In article , G&M wrote:
I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two
bedroom terrace is London is now worth near to half a million
pounds. You can buy a five bedroom detached house, 10 acres of
land and a barn larger than that whole terrace house (upstairs
and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.

You can, and, as we repeatedly point out to IMM, people who have the
money to make such choices would, for the most part, much rather
have a poky cottage in Richmond than a barn near Manchester.

But by moving jobs out of London, demand would drop and prices would be far
nearer the amount people with real jobs could afford.

"G&M" wrote in message
...

"IMM" wrote in message
...
When is this government going to decentralise, starting with the thing
it can influence - the civil service.

Great idea. Get all the departments out of London. They started in the
1970s
but Thatcher stopped it: Social Security at Newcastle, DVLA in Swansea,
etc.

I think it was more down to that episode of Yes Prime Minister when the
head
of the armed forces refused to move out of London "because how could the
wife get to Harrods"

Most of that series was based on fact. The main MOD and government research
sites are never more than 1 hour out of London. It is disgusting how
centralised the country is.



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"IMM" wrote in message
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The main MOD and government research
sites are never more than 1 hour out of London. It is disgusting how
centralised the country is.

Is that so Hitler, Stalin or Bin Laden could wipe them all out in the first
strike so no one would be able to blame them for not protecting the country
?

In article , Imm wrote:
More tripe. As soon as those people no longer rely on the city
for there living, they get out sharpies to there £700K house.

Hmm. Roughly one person in 7 (23618/172808: 2001 census) in LB
Richmond is over 65. Most will be homeowners and could sell up and
buy a very nice place away from London. But for the most part they
haven't. Perhaps they realise that as you get older having shops and
friends within walking distance and public transport that runs every
day of the week beats being stuck in some lonely country cottage.

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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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In article , Imm wrote:
More tripe. As soon as those people no longer rely on the city
for there living, they get out sharpies to there £700K house.

Hmm. Roughly one person in 7 (23618/172808: 2001 census) in LB
Richmond is over 65. Most will be homeowners and could sell up and
buy a very nice place away from London. But for the most part they
haven't. Perhaps they realise that as you get older having shops and
friends within walking distance and public transport that runs every
day of the week beats being stuck in some lonely country cottage.

Those that are outsiders, still yearn for where they came from.


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Mike Mitchell wrote:

On 7 Jan 2004 00:09:13 -0800, (Ted Woodley)
wrote:

I was intrigued by the nasal strangulated voice of the red-haired
harridan - was she English ?

Of course she wasn't! Yet another brash, arrogant know-it-all from
across the pond. Dontcha jus' love 'em to bits!

Greek actually.

Chris
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Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

IMM wrote in message ...
Those two were in management. How did they do their jobs right with that
sort of logic.


They were probably in the IR or the NHS!

Regards
Capitol

G&M wrote in message ...

But by moving jobs out of London, demand would drop and prices would be far
nearer the amount people with real jobs could afford.


We tried that in the 40's and 50's. it did actually work for a while. The
policy was destroyed by cheap public transport and cheap rented housing. The
only way to make it work now is to drastically increase the London
congestion charge, to stop subsidising public transport, privatise it and
make people pay the real going rate for transport(airlines?) and all
services( the cost of digging up London roads is horrific). When firms can
no longer afford to attract workers, they will voluntarily move out of
London and the people will follow. We also need to stop paying a London
allowance to civil servants etc. The market will soon sort out the problems.
Comfortable-NO, will it work YES!

Moving Parliament would also be a good idea, but the featherbedded
politicians would fight change, tooth and nail.
Regards
Capitol

"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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In article , Imm wrote:
More tripe. As soon as those people no longer rely on the city
for there living, they get out sharpies to there £700K house.

Hmm. Roughly one person in 7 (23618/172808: 2001 census) in LB
Richmond is over 65. Most will be homeowners and could sell up and
buy a very nice place away from London. But for the most part they
haven't. Perhaps they realise that as you get older having shops and
friends within walking distance and public transport that runs every
day of the week beats being stuck in some lonely country cottage.


With you on that ... I like living in London because it's got some life.
Not some dead-end middle-of-nowhere country place with no restaurants, no
pubs, no clubs, no museums, no theatres, no public transport, no nightbus,
no open minded people ... etc. etc. etc.

And before I get a raft of people deciding to side with IMM, I do realise
that normal, well balanced (and quite skilled DIY'ers!) live outside of
London too ;o)

I choose to live in London not because I work here but because I want to.
Some people like the quiet life - I don't.




a

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:50:57 -0000, "G&M" wrote:

When is this government going to decentralise, starting with the thing it
can influence - the civil service.

When the terrorists make London uninhabitable for 1,000 years....

MM

"G&M" wrote
| "IMM" wrote
| When is this government going to decentralise, starting with
| the thing it can influence - the civil service.
| Great idea. Get all the departments out of London. They started
| in the 1970s but Thatcher stopped it: Social Security at Newcastle,
| DVLA in Swansea, etc.
| I think it was more down to that episode of Yes Prime Minister when
| the head of the armed forces refused to move out of London "because
| how could the wife get to Harrods"

The Scottish Parliament wants to do something similar, but the civil
servants want to stay in Edinburgh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3081885.stm

Owain

Julian Fowler wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:22:43 GMT, Tony Bryer
wrote:


In article , G&M wrote:

I think it's also a nadir of British society if a grotty two
bedroom terrace is London is now worth near to half a million
pounds. You can buy a five bedroom detached house, 10 acres of
land and a barn larger than that whole terrace house (upstairs
and down) within commuting distance of Manchester.

You can, and, as we repeatedly point out to IMM, people who have the
money to make such choices would, for the most part, much rather
have a poky cottage in Richmond than a barn near Manchester.


Really? Surely its the case that people think that they *have* to
live in the vicinity of the capital, because that's where all the
overpaid jobs are, that enable to people to afford ludicrous
mortgages, so that they can afford to live near the capital, etc.,
etc. I can't think of any reason why anyone would actually *want* to
live and/or work the open sewer otherwise known as London: personally,
you'd have to pay me half a million to tolerate doing either ;-)



Quite true. The stupid peasnts look at Londom salaries and imagine they
will get rich.

Well maybe, if they finally retire to a barn near Manchester, they will be.

But most people in london are simply struggling to pay the mortgage
every month.


Julian

IMM wrote:


Oh brainwashed one. Only 7.5% of the land is built on. Too much of it to
build to make any impact at all.



Thats because as a nation we like to have gaps between houses and towns.

It provides places to put teh roads and raliways, walk the dogs, and
plant the odd tree.

30% occupancy of land is very high desnity urban stuf.

7.5% is still very very full, when you allow for the huge tracts of land
in te UK that are completely isolated and not sutuable for building on
at all.



I say have a quiet word with Osama, and poison the whole of london.

Where is shipman when you need him?







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"Capitol" wrote in message
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Moving Parliament would also be a good idea,

Good move. There's lot of unused old oil rigs in the North Sea !!!!!!

"Mike Mitchell" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:50:57 -0000, "G&M" wrote:

When is this government going to decentralise, starting with the thing it
can influence - the civil service.

When the terrorists make London uninhabitable for 1,000 years....


Hmm - good reason to leave the civil servants there for a while longer. And
the politicians. And ...

IMM wrote:


Those that are outsiders, still yearn for where they came from.



********. The thought of going back to live where I was born, or even
brought up, would drive me to suicide.