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Maybe you hadn't thought carefully enough about your earlier
response.

I find it a depressing thought because it may mean that might have to
put up with more of that smirking lying **** Bliar and his oleaginous
thieving Chancellor and the whole lying, deceitful, nauseating bunch
of yes-men they are surrounded with.

Fair enough. It is fairly clear that 'New Labour' has exhausted any

good

will which they inherited when they came to office.

I can't believe the crap I read on here.

In a number of areas you write a fair bit of it though......


Wisdom my boy. You wouldn't know it if it slapped you in the face.


The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,

This is not necessarily helpful.


I suppose poverty and deprivation is.


And what does the relative value of one currency to another have to do
with povery and deprivation?

If you examine facts (always distateful to you, I admit) you will find
that many countries are desperate to devalue their currencies in order
to be able to export their goods at all.

What world do you live in?



One where real hard facts rule, not wishful muddled thinking.





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IMM wrote:

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However, there is a simpler measure of
unemployment (or at least wealth) which can be adopted by anyone. As I
implied in my earlier post, the number of cars on the road is a good
indicator of wealth.

Not only that, the age of them too. Far, far more newer cars around,
and
more expensive models too, these days than when the wicked witch was in
charge.

Yup, because by holding interest rates down its easy to borrow ten times
your annual salary. However its a precarious thing. Maggie used norh sea
oil to fnd a consumer boom,

She never. She used it to pay the unemployed when her harebrained economic
schemes naturally collapsed. Tony Benn described as reckless. One of the
greatest legacies gifted to this country, that should have been used to
create wealth was squandered.

Gordon brown is using consumer credit. Both
are finite resources. Bust is on teh way. Its
just a matter of time, as
north sea oil and credit are BOTH running out...

For the past 6 years the right wing has predicted bust, they have been
preying for it. It hasn't come.





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about teh amount of overtimne I never got paid
because I never was in a Union,

Uh! One rule for one and one for another? If you are entitled to overtime
pay then you get it it. Simple.

about the amount of tax I have paid when
I never used any facilities, not schools, not anything.

This is ludicrous. What about the insurance you pay on your car and never
claimed in 20 years.

My taxes have
paid for your kids to go to school, your
kids to have their runny noses
wipoed by the local GP, your bloody maternity leave.

Those kids will pay into the system when you are old to maintain the NHS and
social system which benefits you. If you don't want to take those benefits
then that your choice. Don't whinge.



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Fair enough. It is fairly clear that 'New Labour' has exhausted any
good will which they inherited when they came to office.

I can't believe the crap I read on here. The economy is booming, the
pound is almighty strong, unemployment is the lowest for 25 years, no
more cardbord cities of homeless people, great anti-social laws, the
world went into recession the UK never, etc, etc.

And you think that the Government enjoys the same good will that they
inherited when they came to office?

That has nothing to do with it. The Tory press, which most of it is, can
sway public opinion on minor issues. The amount of people I have heard say
Blair is full of spin, spin, I lost count of. Ask them what spin? And do
they know what spin is? and they go quiet.

It is not even half way through a term yet., When the election comes see
that people look at the economy and general standard of living. They will
vote Blair back in. They don't give a toss about Iraq as they never gave a
toss about N Ireland, which was never once an election issue.

Are you actually in the UK?

Yes.

Then look around and stop reading the Daily Mail and listening to that dirty
scruffy blond haired ******* who is always on the TV, Boris something.
Fitting: they have Dracula and Boris at the top.



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The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,

This is not necessarily helpful.

I suppose poverty and deprivation is.

And what does the relative value of one
currency to another have to do
with povery and deprivation?

It is indicative of the strength of the British economy. Britain is admired
throughout the world the way it has handled its economy, with many looking
hard at the way Britain does things.

If you examine facts (always distateful to you, I admit)

A Tory voter ignores facts, as they so obsessed with petty snobbery.

you will find that many countries are desperate to
devalue their currencies in order
to be able to export their goods at all.

It is a balancing act of cheaper exports to more expensive imports. Germany
in the 1970s had a very strong currency that mad their products expensive.
Yet people still bought them as they were/perceived to be well made so good
value for money. If you make tat then the tat has to be cheap.

What world do you live in?

One where real hard facts rule, not wishful muddled thinking.

You are confused by petty snobbery, wanting an aristocracy that still rips
us off, etc.

One good point was that the "real" and "true" king of England, King Michael
1st, who lives in Australia and has barbies and drinks tubes of Fosters,
voted for a republic for Australia. Imagine this lot of parasitical
impostors doing that.



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Are you actually in the UK?

Yes.

Then look around and stop reading the Daily Mail and listening to
that dirty scruffy blond haired ******* who is always on the TV,
Boris something. Fitting: they have Dracula and Boris at the top.


LMAO You do like to jump to conclusions, don't you. Hint: I don't read the
Daily Mail (or the Telegraph).

John.

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Jeremy Paxmans book is really fascinatiing. Do you know, teh majority of
pliticians - those who pontficate and pronounce on all weighty matters,
have done nothing more exciting than being school teachers or sochul
wurkahs? Even teh labour party has almost zero members from trades or
manual work, and even the conservatives have almost zero members from
top industrial management?

This old idea that top industrial management only support the Tories. Get
real please. During Thatcher many top industrialist supported Labour and
SDLP policies. Many would keep shut as if you showed your true colours the
gates would close on you and your company. A bad time for freedom under the
wicked witch.

They are all career politicians, and, a
Jeremy points out the majoriy *arte earning more as MP's than they have,
in any other job they have held*.

Churchill was a career political. he crossed the house twice in order to be
where the power was. Today he would be in the Labour party.

In short, its not about selecteing teh best and most skilled and lettng
them have a crack at making sane descision, its a normal huerarchy of
brown nosing career people, each greedy to get to the top and get their
noises in the trough.

Its not the Lords that wants reforming, its the Commons.

Both, with the Lords totally getting rid of all hereditary and religious
peers. The seat of government should be in a more central location in the
UK, instead of the bottom right hand corner, with a parliament building(s)
totally capable of running a modern government. For e.g., each member
should have their own office and the chamber semi -circular with space for
everyone. the current old chapel can't even accommodate all the MPs and is
formed like cockpit which creates a rather farcical chamber and atmosphere.
The financial centre and government are all in one location, which is not
good for good government. Power is then centred in one spot, as in the UK,
which has the press, finance and government all centred. The ignorance of
the UK regions by the London national press is too plain to see. Many top
countries split these up in separate cities. We have a lot to learn from
other countries.



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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:48:16 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,

This is not necessarily helpful.

I suppose poverty and deprivation is. What world do you live in?


The real one.

Have you ever heard that a strong currency leads to more expensive
exports?





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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:29:56 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


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My taxes have
paid for your kids to go to school, your
kids to have their runny noses
wipoed by the local GP, your bloody maternity leave.

Those kids will pay into the system when you are old to maintain the NHS and
social system which benefits you. If you don't want to take those benefits
then that your choice. Don't whinge.


What benefits and what social system? They are not worth having.



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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 13:29:56 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


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My taxes have
paid for your kids to go to school, your
kids to have their runny noses
wipoed by the local GP, your bloody maternity leave.

Those kids will pay into the system when you are old to maintain the NHS
and
social system which benefits you. If you don't want to take those
benefits
then that your choice. Don't whinge.

What benefits and what social system? They are not worth having.

The Little Middle Englander speaks again.


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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:48:16 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,

This is not necessarily helpful.

I suppose poverty and deprivation is. What world do you live in?

The real one.

You jest of course.



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"Mr E" wrote in message
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Huge wrote:
"Mr E" writes:

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Maybe you hadn't thought carefully enough about your earlier
response.

I find it a depressing thought because it may mean that might have to
put up with more of that smirking lying **** Bliar and his oleaginous
thieving Chancellor and the whole lying, deceitful, nauseating bunch
of yes-men they are surrounded with.

Fair enough. It is fairly clear that 'New Labour' has exhausted any good
will which they inherited when they came to office.

I can't believe the crap I read on here. The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong, unemployment is the lowest for 25 years, no more
cardbord cities of homeless people, great anti-social laws, the world went
into recession the UK never, etc, etc.

Personal debt up from £300 billion in 1992 to over £900 billion today.
The economy isn't booming, house prices and imports are. It's like
pulling a brick across a polished table with an elastic band. Eventually
the brick hits you in the face. If labour get in again in 2005 expect
Capital Gain Tax immediately on all property sales - they are quietly
sending out 'feelers' to the media to see what the response is.


Are you actually in the UK?



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In article , Andy Hall
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:48:16 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,

This is not necessarily helpful.

I suppose poverty and deprivation is. What world do you live in?


The real one.

Have you ever heard that a strong currency leads to more expensive
exports?

The pound is not strong against the Euro, but the dollar is temporarily
very weak - that's great for the US, bad for the rest of the world.
Like Britain, Americans are spending more borrowed money that they can
afford.




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In article , IMM
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"Mr E" wrote in message
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However, there is a simpler measure of
unemployment (or at least wealth) which can be adopted by anyone. As I
implied in my earlier post, the number of cars on the road is a good
indicator of wealth.

Not only that, the age of them too. Far, far more newer cars around, and
more expensive models too, these days than when the wicked witch was in
charge.
All bought with borrowed money because of 'low' interest rates.
When did you last drive around Rural Devon or Somerset, or South Wales.
Plenty of people having to make do with old cars there.

I can remember driving around in the 1980s with much
less traffic on the roads than currently. Stories of individual hardship
(or
incompetence) are not helpful - because they are not necessarily typical.



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Huge wrote:

The Natural Philosopher writes:

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And that is the last thing they want, isn't it? To give up power.


Hear, hear.




Jeremy Paxmans book is really fascinatiing. Do you know, teh majority of
pliticians - those who pontficate and pronounce on all weighty matters,
have done nothing more exciting than being school teachers or sochul
wurkahs? Even teh labour party has almost zero members from trades or
manual work,
You forgot JAG++, or maybe jag+=2
top industrial management? They are all career politicians, and, a
Jeremy points out the majoriy *arte earning more as MP's than they have,
in any other job they have held*.

In short, its not about selecteing teh best and most skilled and lettng
them have a crack at making sane descision, its a normal huerarchy of
brown nosing career people, each greedy to get to the top and get their
Diane Abbott ???
noises in the trough.

Its not the Lords that wants reforming, its the Commons.






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PoP wrote:


I don't have sympathy for those within the system that know how to
snip


Indeed. It as at that point that I decided never ever again to touch or
trust teh state system for pesnion, unemploymemnt or anything. In fact I
left teh country for a while.

The ONLY way to get money off the dole is by lying cheating and thieving.

Or become an 'asylum seeker'

Case 1. Ran into girl I used to know years ago, split up from husband
(he was a commie, she was as wurking clarrss as they come). Baby left at
home while she was whoring around. Asked why she married him 'only fing
on offer mate, and wiv a bayby I get a karncil hars dunni?'

Great.

Case 2. As a potential emplyer of IT staff, I recieve letters answering
job adverts. We are in cambridge, letter from North wales, near Bangor.
Gent styles himself IT professional, and says is looking for top dollar
job, lots of experience, but won't relocate. Obviously on the dole and
intends to stay there as no IT jobs within 50 miles of Bangor.
Presumably we are only applied to so he can say he is 'looking for work'
to the soshal.


Case 3. I cpme back from a trip abroad, sign on, get no money, stay with
snip

Because frankly, the system ****ed me completely.
Are you sure you weren't even slightly to blame ?

"Put not your trust in princes"

Anyone who has any faith in politicians should read Jeremey Paxmans book
'the political animal'










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Personal debt up from £300 billion in 1992 to over £900 billion today.
The economy isn't booming, house prices and imports are. It's like
pulling a brick across a polished table with an elastic band. Eventually
the brick hits you in the face. If labour get in again in 2005 expect
Capital Gain Tax immediately on all property sales - they are quietly
sending out 'feelers' to the media to see what the response is.


Hopefully. That should finish them for at least two terms.



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IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:


"Mr E" wrote in message
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However, there is a simpler measure of
unemployment (or at least wealth) which can be adopted by anyone. As I
implied in my earlier post, the number of cars on the road is a good
indicator of wealth.

Not only that, the age of them too. Far, far more newer cars around,

and

more expensive models too, these days than when the wicked witch was in
charge.

Yup, because by holding interest rates down its easy to borrow ten times
your annual salary. However its a precarious thing. Maggie used norh sea
oil to fnd a consumer boom,


She never. She used it to pay the unemployed when her harebrained economic
schemes naturally collapsed.


Which otherise would have been funded by taxes. The inability of your
intellec to grasp basic points never fails to amaze.

Tony Benn described as reckless.


I know, I've ben thinking that is an apt description of Tony Benn for
year. '******' is another way of putting it.

One of the
greatest legacies gifted to this country, that should have been used to
create wealth was squandered.


No argument there.




Gordon brown is using consumer credit. Both
are finite resources. Bust is on teh way. Its
just a matter of time, as
north sea oil and credit are BOTH running out...


For the past 6 years the right wing has predicted bust, they have been
preying for it. It hasn't come.



Preying for it eh? I s'pose that goes with them being "hawk's" har har!

I know you are of the opinion that left-right politucs isn't dead, but
believe me, it sure smells that way.

I can't see an ounce of difference between Maggie Thatcher and Tiny
Bliar when it comes to out and out self delusion and egomania.







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about teh amount of overtimne I never got paid
because I never was in a Union,


Uh! One rule for one and one for another? If you are entitled to overtime
pay then you get it it. Simple.


Oh? Really. You try it when you contact doesn't stipulate it.




about the amount of tax I have paid when
I never used any facilities, not schools, not anything.


This is ludicrous. What about the insurance you pay on your car and never
claimed in 20 years.


Oh, I have claimed many times. About as much as has been paid less about
15%.




My taxes have
paid for your kids to go to school, your
kids to have their runny noses
wipoed by the local GP, your bloody maternity leave.


Those kids will pay into the system when you are old to maintain the NHS and
social system which benefits you. If you don't want to take those benefits
then that your choice. Don't whinge.



haharhar. They bloody won't, because there won't BE an NHS much longer.

Your naivete is only exceeded by your faith in Bliar and your natural
stupidity.




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IMM wrote:


Then look around and stop reading the Daily Mail and listening to that dirty
scruffy blond haired ******* who is always on the TV, Boris something.
Fitting: they have Dracula and Boris at the top.



Will Self for Mein Fuhrer.

Germaine Greer ministress of bordellos.

IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,


This is not necessarily helpful.

I suppose poverty and deprivation is.

And what does the relative value of one
currency to another have to do
with povery and deprivation?


It is indicative of the strength of the British economy. Britain is admired
throughout the world the way it has handled its economy, with many looking
hard at the way Britain does things.


Oh excuse me, Britain is a joke.

No one in the world has got its economy 'right'. By dint of doing
nothing and leaving MOST of what John major was doing strictly alone,
all that can be said is tha britain has failed to make any further
mistakes.




If you examine facts (always distateful to you, I admit)


A Tory voter ignores facts, as they so obsessed with petty snobbery.


Which Tory voter would that be then? I dopn't see one nearby...




you will find that many countries are desperate to
devalue their currencies in order
to be able to export their goods at all.


It is a balancing act of cheaper exports to more expensive imports. Germany
in the 1970s had a very strong currency that mad their products expensive.
Yet people still bought them as they were/perceived to be well made so good
value for money. If you make tat then the tat has to be cheap.



Gosh. Did you get that from teh Bumper Book of Hopw Things Work as well?



What world do you live in?


One where real hard facts rule, not wishful muddled thinking.


You are confused by petty snobbery, wanting an aristocracy that still rips
us off, etc.



You entirely misunderstand me as usual. You can only conceive of two
sorts of people, faithful labour votahs like you, and your conception of
toffs and aristocrats who went to 'snotty uni' and vote tory.

Sadly, there are huge numbers of people out there who fail to fit your
limited consceptualisations, and I happen to be one.




One good point was that the "real" and "true" king of England, King Michael
1st, who lives in Australia and has barbies and drinks tubes of Fosters,
voted for a republic for Australia. Imagine this lot of parasitical
impostors doing that.



I wnder how hard Tony Robinson had to work to make that result happen.

I wonder how many of te 'true kings' ancestoirs were illegitimate.

Let's face it, pretty much one marriage in three has a son or daughter
that doesn't belong to both the so called parents.

If they had DNA testing back in 1456 or whatever, its doubtful whether
the system could have withstood it.

Thats why teh Celts had matrilineal inheritance. They accepted

the impossibility of actually knowing who the real father was...


Ive notoiced an alarming tendency for women to shag the hunkiest, but
marry the most secure...sometimes within the same day..




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Jeremy Paxmans book is really fascinatiing. Do you know, teh majority of
pliticians - those who pontficate and pronounce on all weighty matters,
have done nothing more exciting than being school teachers or sochul
wurkahs? Even teh labour party has almost zero members from trades or
manual work, and even the conservatives have almost zero members from
top industrial management?


This old idea that top industrial management only support the Tories. Get
real please. During Thatcher many top industrialist supported Labour and
SDLP policies. Many would keep shut as if you showed your true colours the
gates would close on you and your company. A bad time for freedom under the
wicked witch.


A bad time for freedom any tme since the last war, and pretty bad befre
that as well.

Its nice word, freedom. Never seen it for real of course...




They are all career politicians, and, a
Jeremy points out the majoriy *arte earning more as MP's than they have,
in any other job they have held*.


Churchill was a career political. he crossed the house twice in order to be
where the power was. Today he would be in the Labour party.



Funny. I thought he was a journalist and at least something in the
military. Of course he crossed the floor several times. And finally got
lucky. An arsehole of teh nth degree, but usefulk at the time...or was he?






In short, its not about selecteing teh best and most skilled and lettng
them have a crack at making sane descision, its a normal huerarchy of
brown nosing career people, each greedy to get to the top and get their
noises in the trough.

Its not the Lords that wants reforming, its the Commons.


Both, with the Lords totally getting rid of all hereditary and religious
peers.


Why? At least they have no political axes to grind.

The seat of government should be in a more central location in the
UK, instead of the bottom right hand corner, with a parliament building(s)
totally capable of running a modern government. For e.g., each member
should have their own office and the chamber semi -circular with space for
everyone. the current old chapel can't even accommodate all the MPs and is
formed like cockpit which creates a rather farcical chamber and atmosphere.
The financial centre and government are all in one location, which is not
good for good government. Power is then centred in one spot, as in the UK,
which has the press, finance and government all centred. The ignorance of
the UK regions by the London national press is too plain to see. Many top
countries split these up in separate cities. We have a lot to learn from
other countries.



Oh dear. Frankly I think we should put the whole damned thing online and
leave the bloody MP's at home...

Andrew wrote:

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Huge wrote:

"Mr E" writes:

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Maybe you hadn't thought carefully enough about your earlier
response.

I find it a depressing thought because it may mean that might have to
put up with more of that smirking lying **** Bliar and his oleaginous
thieving Chancellor and the whole lying, deceitful, nauseating bunch
of yes-men they are surrounded with.

Fair enough. It is fairly clear that 'New Labour' has exhausted any good
will which they inherited when they came to office.

I can't believe the crap I read on here. The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong, unemployment is the lowest for 25 years, no more
cardbord cities of homeless people, great anti-social laws, the world went
into recession the UK never, etc, etc.


Personal debt up from £300 billion in 1992 to over £900 billion today.
The economy isn't booming, house prices and imports are. It's like
pulling a brick across a polished table with an elastic band. Eventually
the brick hits you in the face. If labour get in again in 2005 expect
Capital Gain Tax immediately on all property sales - they are quietly
sending out 'feelers' to the media to see what the response is.

Basically, what laber means is that instead of 15% of yoir income going

to support unemployable people, now 45% is going to spport unemployable

people in the only successful state run system there is. The civil service and

the machinery of opression^H^H^H^H^H^H^ government

The civil service and its bureacracy. Of course they don't DO anything,
but they feel much better...make workjobs for the boys and keep voting
Laber.

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brown nosing career people, each greedy to get to the top and get their

Diane Abbott ???


Now Now! she is a perfectly respectable politician. She is just in the
wrong party, that's all.

Anyone can see she is an out and out Tory. Like our Tone. And Gordon Brown.

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Then look around and stop reading the Daily Mail and listening to that
dirty
scruffy blond haired ******* who is always on the TV, Boris something.
Fitting: they have Dracula and Boris at the top.

Will Self for Mein Fuhrer.

Will Self? Fuhrer? he is Jewish.

Germaine Greer ministress of bordellos.



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You entirely misunderstand me as usual.

I don't.

You can only conceive of two
sorts of people, faithful labour votahs like you, and your conception of
toffs and aristocrats who went to 'snotty uni' and vote tory.

I don't.

One good point was that the "real" and "true" king of England, King
Michael
1st, who lives in Australia and has barbies and drinks tubes of Fosters,
voted for a republic for Australia. Imagine this lot of parasitical
impostors doing that.

I wnder how hard Tony Robinson had to work to make that result happen.

I wonder how many of te 'true kings' ancestoirs were illegitimate.

Let's face it, pretty much one marriage in three has a son or daughter
that doesn't belong to both the so called parents.

Figures please.

Ive notoiced an alarming tendency for women to shag the hunkiest, but
marry the most secure...sometimes within the same day..

I am both.


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The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,

This is not necessarily helpful.

I suppose poverty and deprivation is. What world do you live in?

The real one.

Have you ever heard that a strong currency leads to more expensive
exports?

The pound is not strong against the Euro, but the dollar is temporarily
very weak - that's great for the US, bad for the rest of the world.
Like Britain, Americans are spending more borrowed money that they can
afford.

I assume you refer to this consumer debt. 80% is people paying mortgages to
put a super expensive small roof over their heads. Land ownership and
availability for building is the core of this.


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Maybe you hadn't thought carefully enough about your earlier
response.

I find it a depressing thought because it may mean that might have to
put up with more of that smirking lying **** Bliar and his oleaginous
thieving Chancellor and the whole lying, deceitful, nauseating bunch
of yes-men they are surrounded with.

Fair enough. It is fairly clear that 'New Labour' has exhausted any
good
will which they inherited when they came to office.

I can't believe the crap I read on here. The economy is booming, the
pound
is almighty strong, unemployment is the lowest for 25 years, no more
cardbord cities of homeless people, great anti-social laws, the world
went
into recession the UK never, etc, etc.

Personal debt up from £300 billion in 1992 to over £900 billion today.

80% of it is mortgage repayments to basically survive.

The economy isn't booming, house
prices and imports are.

Which indicates that money is about.




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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:09:10 +0000, Andrew
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Personal debt up from £300 billion in 1992 to over £900 billion today.
The economy isn't booming, house prices and imports are. It's like
pulling a brick across a polished table with an elastic band. Eventually
the brick hits you in the face. If labour get in again in 2005 expect
Capital Gain Tax immediately on all property sales - they are quietly
sending out 'feelers' to the media to see what the response is.

Hopefully. That should finish them for at least two terms.

Out brainwashed Tory voter is at it again. Such a petty snob you are.


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:


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However, there is a simpler measure of
unemployment (or at least wealth) which can be adopted by anyone. As I
implied in my earlier post, the number of cars on the road is a good
indicator of wealth.

Not only that, the age of them too. Far, far more newer cars around,

and

more expensive models too, these days than when the wicked witch was in
charge.

Yup, because by holding interest rates down its easy to borrow ten times
your annual salary. However its a precarious thing. Maggie used norh sea
oil to fnd a consumer boom,


She never. She used it to pay the unemployed when her harebrained
economic
schemes naturally collapsed.

Which otherise would have been funded by taxes. The inability of your
intellec to grasp basic points never fails to amaze.

Do you mean she never used it to pay the unemployed when her harebrained
economic schemes naturally collapsed?

Tony Benn described as reckless.

I know, I've ben thinking that is an apt description of Tony Benn for
year. '******' is another way of putting it.

Our brainwashed washed Tories are still at it. Sad isn't it. You have
nothing to gain by supporting them.

One of the greatest legacies gifted to this
country, that should have been used to
create wealth was squandered.

No argument there.

A right tithead she was.

Gordon brown is using consumer credit. Both
are finite resources. Bust is on teh way. Its
just a matter of time, as
north sea oil and credit are BOTH running out...

For the past 6 years the right wing has predicted bust, they have been
preying for it. It hasn't come.

Preying for it eh?

Yes.

I know you are of the opinion that left-right
politucs isn't dead, but
believe me, it sure smells that way.

Get rid of the monarchy, aristocracy, the private school/Oxbridge power
clique and re-distribute land and left and right will come closer together.
Easy really.

I can't see an ounce of difference between Maggie Thatcher and Tiny
Bliar when it comes to out and out self delusion and egomania.

You are mad.


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"Andrew" wrote in message
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"Mr E" wrote in message
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However, there is a simpler measure of
unemployment (or at least wealth) which can be adopted by anyone. As I
implied in my earlier post, the number of cars on the road is a good
indicator of wealth.

Not only that, the age of them too. Far, far more newer cars around, and
more expensive models too, these days than when the wicked witch was in
charge.

All bought with borrowed money because of 'low' interest rates.
When did you last drive around Rural Devon or Somerset, or South Wales.
Plenty of people having to make do with old cars there.

They are not representative of the country as whole.

I can remember driving around in the 1980s with much
less traffic on the roads than currently. Stories of individual
hardship
(or
incompetence) are not helpful - because they are not necessarily
typical.



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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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IMM wrote:

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about teh amount of overtimne I never got paid
because I never was in a Union,


Uh! One rule for one and one for another? If you are entitled to
overtime
pay then you get it it. Simple.

Oh? Really. You try it when you contact doesn't stipulate it.

What is the whinge? Your contract doesn't stipulate it, so you get none.
Simple. read the contract.

Those kids will pay into the system when you are old to maintain the NHS
and
social system which benefits you. If you don't want to take those
benefits
then that your choice. Don't whinge.

haharhar. They bloody won't, because there won't BE an NHS much longer.

Source please?

Your naivete is only exceeded by your faith in Bliar and your natural
stupidity.

You have a vivid and strange imagination.


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Ive notoiced an alarming tendency for women to shag the hunkiest, but
marry the most secure...sometimes within the same day..

I am both.


Alarming and an old woman?



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"Andrew" wrote in message
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In article , Andy Hall
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:48:16 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,

This is not necessarily helpful.

I suppose poverty and deprivation is. What world do you live in?

The real one.

Have you ever heard that a strong currency leads to more expensive
exports?

The pound is not strong against the Euro, but the dollar is temporarily
very weak - that's great for the US, bad for the rest of the world.
Like Britain, Americans are spending more borrowed money that they can
afford.

I assume you refer to this consumer debt. 80% is people paying mortgages to
put a super expensive small roof over their heads. Land ownership and
availability for building is the core of this.

Oh not that again. Do you think you could engage the recetly arrived
trolls in a debate on this? It should solve the problem.....



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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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They are all career politicians, and, a
Jeremy points out the majoriy *arte earning more as MP's than they have,
in any other job they have held*.


Churchill was a career political. he crossed the house twice in order to
be
where the power was. Today he would be in the Labour party.

Funny. I thought he was a journalist and at least something in the
military. Of course he crossed the floor several times. And finally got
lucky. An arsehole of teh nth degree, but usefulk at the time...or was he?

Yes he did set troops on miners. The troops were arseholes for doing it.
They should have said no, we don't attack our fellow citizens.

Churchill prolonged WW2 as the Germans wanted peace: Rudolph Hess's peace
flight which he ignored, etc. The aristocracy wanted peace to protect their
interests and wanted to talk to Hess. According to the Independent, the
Queen Mother declared that she would welcome a NAZI occupation as long as
they are left alone with their wealth and lifestyles. Self centred
*******s - and you Tory party supports them. At least the Corgi's will not
be blamed for ****ing on the sofa's any more.

Both, with the Lords totally getting rid of all hereditary and religious
peers.

Why? At least they have no political axes to grind.

You are mad. Truly mad.

The seat of government should be in a more central location in the
UK, instead of the bottom right hand corner, with a parliament
building(s)
totally capable of running a modern government. For e.g., each member
should have their own office and the chamber semi -circular with space
for
everyone. the current old chapel can't even accommodate all the MPs and
is
formed like cockpit which creates a rather farcical chamber and
atmosphere.
The financial centre and government are all in one location, which is
not
good for good government. Power is then centred in one spot, as in the
UK,
which has the press, finance and government all centred. The ignorance
of
the UK regions by the London national press is too plain to see. Many
top
countries split these up in separate cities. We have a lot to learn
from
other countries.

Oh dear. Frankly I think we should put the whole damned thing online and
leave the bloody MP's at home...

Madness does come up with good ideas at times.


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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Andrew wrote:

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brown nosing career people, each greedy to get to the top and get their

Diane Abbott ???


Now Now! she is a perfectly respectable politician. She is just in the
wrong party, that's all.

Anyone can see she is an out and out Tory. Like our Tone. And Gordon
Brown.

If Tony is a "Tory", why do you hate him so much?


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In message , IMM
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Ive notoiced an alarming tendency for women to shag the hunkiest, but
marry the most secure...sometimes within the same day..

I am both.

What, ...

a woman that shags the hunkiest and marries the most secure ?

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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:41:55 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andrew" wrote in message
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In article , Andy Hall
writes
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 12:48:16 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


The economy is booming, the pound
is almighty strong,

This is not necessarily helpful.

I suppose poverty and deprivation is. What world do you live in?

The real one.

Have you ever heard that a strong currency leads to more expensive
exports?

The pound is not strong against the Euro, but the dollar is temporarily
very weak - that's great for the US, bad for the rest of the world.
Like Britain, Americans are spending more borrowed money that they can
afford.

I assume you refer to this consumer debt. 80% is people paying mortgages
to
put a super expensive small roof over their heads. Land ownership and
availability for building is the core of this.

Oh not that again.

You are so dumb you can't see the root problem(s). We pay far too much for
very small homes because of an artificial land shortage, while the
established aristocracy still own vast tracts of land in the UK. Haven't
you figured it out yet?


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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:09:10 +0000, Andrew
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Personal debt up from £300 billion in 1992 to over £900 billion today.
The economy isn't booming, house prices and imports are. It's like
pulling a brick across a polished table with an elastic band. Eventually
the brick hits you in the face. If labour get in again in 2005 expect
Capital Gain Tax immediately on all property sales - they are quietly
sending out 'feelers' to the media to see what the response is.

Hopefully. That should finish them for at least two terms.

Out brainwashed Tory voter is at it again. Such a petty snob you are.


The first is not that relevant since I live in a constituency where a
7% swing to LibDem would be needed to change anything and Tony's crony
polled 17%. Where you imagine that snobbery comes into the
discussion I have no idea.


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On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:44:43 -0000, "IMM" wrote:


"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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Personal debt up from £300 billion in 1992 to over £900 billion today.
The economy isn't booming, house prices and imports are. It's like
pulling a brick across a polished table with an elastic band.
Eventually
the brick hits you in the face. If labour get in again in 2005 expect
Capital Gain Tax immediately on all property sales - they are quietly
sending out 'feelers' to the media to see what the response is.

Hopefully. That should finish them for at least two terms.

Our brainwashed Tory voter is at it again. Such a petty snob you are.

The first is not that relevant since I live in a constituency where a
7% swing to LibDem would be needed to change anything and Tony's crony
polled 17%.

I am delighted!

Where you imagine that snobbery comes into the
discussion I have no idea.

One of the foundation point of toryism is petty snobbery: hierarchy,
aristocracy, hereditary peers, private schools, Oxbridge, etc. They support
the whole lot.


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