En el artículo , bert
escribió:

Glad you're happy with it. I've got an aversion to paying anything I can
avoid to the dirty digger.

Bit racist for an international socialist.

Don't read Private Eye, do you?

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

On 24/08/16 09:34, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , bert
escribió:

Glad you're happy with it. I've got an aversion to paying anything I can
avoid to the dirty digger.

Bit racist for an international socialist.

Don't read Private Eye, do you?

Just because the Eye is racist doesn't excuse you...


--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , bert
escribió:

Glad you're happy with it. I've got an aversion to paying anything I
can avoid to the dirty digger.

Bit racist for an international socialist.

Don't read Private Eye, do you?

I doubt harry can read. His posts appear to be computer generated.

--
*60-year-old, one owner - needs parts, make offer

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el ,
escribió:


Glad you're happy with it. I've got an aversion to paying anything I can
avoid to the dirty digger.


Bit racist for an international socialist.

Don't read Private Eye, do you?


No, but he's a BMW lover socialist!

En el artículo ,
Capitol escribió:

No, but he's a BMW lover socialist!

The Eye refers to Rupert Murdoch as the Dirty Digger, hence Mr Plowman's
aversion to anything to do with $ky (with which I happen to agree).

You might have fun googling PE's Dave Spart and see if you can spot the
difference between him and Plowman.

https://johnlonden.files.wordpress.c..._private_eye.j
pg

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo ,
Capitol escribió:

No, but he's a BMW lover socialist!

The Eye refers to Rupert Murdoch as the Dirty Digger, hence Mr Plowman's
aversion to anything to do with $ky (with which I happen to agree).

You might have fun googling PE's Dave Spart and see if you can spot the
difference between him and Plowman.

https://johnlonden.files.wordpress.c..._private_eye.j
pg

I can see only one. He has a beard.

--
*I used to be a banker, but then I lost interest.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:44:26 -0700 (PDT), Yvonne wrote:

They are keen to build up a customer case quickly. That's why they are
actually cheaper. For existing mobile customers their all-up price is
only £22 per month for fibre.

"£22/month for fibre" do you mean FTTP or the less than useless FTTC
crap.

If they can give me FTTP for £22/month where do I sign?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 12:29:38 +0100, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

Seems Virgin don't look after customers here, cabinets lie open to the
wind / rain, discarded takeaways and vandals, torn strands of coax lie
on pavements. I'm feel like taking a walk and snapping pictures of their
crippled cabinets.

If it's that easy to get at take a pair fo snips with you and force
them to repair it properly....

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:24:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Paragraphs. Ever heard of them?

Didn't the telex, fax machine and then the internet make them obsolete?

Telex is up to 80 character lines only. Anthing longer ends up as
blob at the 80th position.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article , Tim Streater
scribeth thus
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:44:26 -0700 (PDT), Yvonne wrote:

They are keen to build up a customer case quickly. That's why they are
actually cheaper. For existing mobile customers their all-up price is
only £22 per month for fibre.

"£22/month for fibre" do you mean FTTP or the less than useless FTTC
crap.

FTTC isn't crap. It's giving me more than 30Mbps.


212 on good day here...
--
Tony Sayer

En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

212 on good day here...

ooh. You're on the G.fast trial?

Lucky git.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 08:31:56 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

"£22/month for fibre" do you mean FTTP or the less than useless
FTTC
crap.

FTTC isn't crap. It's giving me more than 30Mbps.

Precisely crap. You are paying the same as someone closer to the
cabinet but getting less than 1/2 the service.

A GPON connection could give you 1 Gbps, both ways, 10+ km from the
optical split not a piddly 78 Mbps for a couple of hundred metres..

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 16:46:55 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

212 on good day here...

ooh. You're on the G.fast trial?

AFAIK G.Fast still petters out to ADSL2 (up to 8 Mbps) at a km or two
from the cabinet. The higher speeds are still only achieveable
withing a few hundred metres.

--
Cheers
Dave.

bert wrote:
In article ,
Capitol writes
Subsequent to Open Reach last Saturday concluding that I have
a semi shorted intermittent cable fault, I am receiving text messages
from BT India asking if my fault has gone away. There is of course,
no way to contact them easily. So I went through the 151 routine
again and explained to them what the problem was. It was a total
waste of time, as the droid had no idea what it was doing, or what
had been done and insisted on sending along yet another OR guy this
afternoon who confirmed the findings of the last one. When I was
foolish enough to ask when the road would be dug up, I was told by OR
that that was down to BT who are the service provider. The engineers
concerned confirmed my suspicions in that India is totally out of
touch with on the ground problems and OR are sent on wild goose
chases because of the incompetent BT fault management system. It
would seem that there is no way to get an answer as to when the
service will be provided from BT. Just to add to the fun, BT India
send me text messages and voice mail over the faulty line! Customer
service is not their forte! They are definitely afraid of email and
this also seems to apply to Plusnet.
I get e-mails from plusnet and in response to a comment in a feedback
survey that I wasn't impressed by the wifi range of their hub not
being any better than BT HH3.

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!

On 30/08/16 17:44, Capitol wrote:
Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was perfect! I
pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated otherwise
as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to confirm that
my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the fault. I was
able to point out to India, that they had just called me on my landline
and the call would not go through. They had then called my mobile and I
was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone through, but
my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the broadband noise
margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning and this
afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to Open Reach
again!

Which is why I rent my phone and broadband from IDnet. They are in Hemel
Hempstead and speak English

And don't let Openreach get away with it.


--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

In article , Mike Tomlinson
scribeth thus
En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

212 on good day here...

ooh. You're on the G.fast trial?

Lucky git.

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

I think they are going faster out at Papworth Everard (where the famous
heart hospital is) thats around the 300 to 500 mark IIRC...
--
Tony Sayer

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what goes on
or rather doesn't there..

--
Tony Sayer

On 30/08/16 23:05, tony sayer wrote:

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what goes on
or rather doesn't there..

BT is not Openreach. Openreach don't have customer service.

That's handled by BT wholesale and talks only to wholesale customers -
like BT retail.

You problem is that BT *retail's* customer services are utter crap and
based in ...well you know where.




--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

On 29/08/2016 22:43, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 12:29:38 +0100, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

Seems Virgin don't look after customers here, cabinets lie open to the
wind / rain, discarded takeaways and vandals, torn strands of coax lie
on pavements. I'm feel like taking a walk and snapping pictures of their
crippled cabinets.

If it's that easy to get at take a pair fo snips with you and force
them to repair it properly....

I have done so - and posted links onto the VM support forum.

Might take a few days, but they do lock them up again, at least...

--
Rod

In article , Mike Tomlinson
scribeth thus
En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

Pass on that one Mike. Don't know.

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...

It may well be the they'll upgrade you for free after a while.
--
Tony Sayer

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 30/08/16 23:05, tony sayer wrote:

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what goes on
or rather doesn't there..

BT is not Openreach. Openreach don't have customer service.

That's handled by BT wholesale and talks only to wholesale customers -
like BT retail.

You problem is that BT *retail's* customer services are utter crap and
based in ...well you know where.




I think you'll find that Openreach are closer to BT in practice than
might be thought, seems from what I hear their techs have around as many
problems as what the public do!..

--
Tony Sayer

On 31/08/16 06:35, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...


I've been on the internet since the word 'go' and frankly right now I
couldn't use much more download speed. 15Mps is fast enough to get most
of what I want in a perfectly assccpetable time.. I'd rather have more
upload speed. When it takes minutes to send a 50Mbyte file to the
lawyers....or upload it to my private 'cloud'

Even games - well the server I play against is the other side of a
transatlantic pipe with 80ms delay on it. Doesn't matter how fast my
local link is..


--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

On 31/08/16 10:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 30/08/16 23:05, tony sayer wrote:

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what goes on
or rather doesn't there..

BT is not Openreach. Openreach don't have customer service.

That's handled by BT wholesale and talks only to wholesale customers -
like BT retail.

You problem is that BT *retail's* customer services are utter crap and
based in ...well you know where.




I think you'll find that Openreach are closer to BT in practice than
might be thought, seems from what I hear their techs have around as many
problems as what the public do!..

Yes, but their techs are steps closer to you with an independent ISP in
the loop instead of BT retail.


--
€œSome people like to travel by train because it combines the slowness of
a car with the cramped public exposure of €¨an airplane.€�

Dennis Miller

On 31/08/16 11:07, Huge wrote:
On 2016-08-31, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Mike Tomlinson
scribeth thus
En el artÃ*culo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

Pass on that one Mike. Don't know.

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...

It may well be the they'll upgrade you for free after a while.

Once you get to the point where you can stream movies in real time, why
does anyone much care?


WEll for most people yes.

Unless you are running a web server at home...

I'd appreciate a better upload speed than 448kbps when I want to send a
50Mbyte email...

--
Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead
to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

En el artículo , Huge
escribió:

Once you get to the point where you can stream movies in real time, why
does anyone much care?

I know what you're saying. I really battled with myself to justify the
upgrade from 11Mbps ADSL to 40Mbps VDSL, but the price was the same
(contract renewal so I haggled) and it does make a difference.
Streaming movies, etc.

In a couple years we'll be routinely streaming 4k UHD movies which will
need 4x the bandwidth of an HD one. I've already started downloading 4k
content and it is simply stunning. Even got some 8k video but the PC
struggles a bit with that.

A 4GB Linux .iso comes down in no time at all.

Remember Gates (allegedly) said at one point that 640k was enough for
anybody

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 11:41:19 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/08/16 11:07, Huge wrote:
On 2016-08-31, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Mike Tomlinson
scribeth thus
En el artÃ*culo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

Pass on that one Mike. Don't know.

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...

It may well be the they'll upgrade you for free after a while.

Once you get to the point where you can stream movies in real time, why
does anyone much care?


WEll for most people yes.

Unless you are running a web server at home...

I'd appreciate a better upload speed than 448kbps when I want to send a
50Mbyte email...

I got 142MB down and 11.5MB up on my ipad last night via virgin media.
usig the speednet app for testing.

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el , Huge
escribió:


Once you get to the point where you can stream movies in real time, why
does anyone much care?

I know what you're saying. I really battled with myself to justify the
upgrade from 11Mbps ADSL to 40Mbps VDSL, but the price was the same
(contract renewal so I haggled) and it does make a difference.
Streaming movies, etc.

In a couple years we'll be routinely streaming 4k UHD movies which will
need 4x the bandwidth of an HD one. I've already started downloading 4k
content and it is simply stunning. Even got some 8k video but the PC
struggles a bit with that.

A 4GB Linux .iso comes down in no time at all.

Remember Gates (allegedly) said at one point that 640k was enough for
anybody



Yet another call from BT to my mobile from India. I have no idea
what was said as the sound level was inaudible. Ten minutes later, the
Internet speed went up to 2.9M and the noise margin dropped to 2db with
no internet. I presume they are saying once again, that there is
nothing wrong with the line even though they can't get a call through!
Rebooting the router brought the service back at 2,2M, so it works again.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:13:37 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

In a couple years we'll be routinely streaming 4k UHD movies which will
need 4x the bandwidth of an HD one.

That all depends on the bit rate of the movie. "HD" iPlayer (1280x720
25fps progressive) used to be around 2.5 mbps or 1 GB/Hr ish. You can
now get 50 fps versions that run at 5 Mbps, 2GB/hour. At that rate
it's not that hard to need 20 Mbps+, Dad watching something the
lounge, Mum in the kitchen with a soap, kids up stairs...

I've already started downloading 4k content and it is simply stunning.
Even got some 8k video but the PC struggles a bit with that.

Downloading isn't quite the same as streaming. The ADSL here has a
through put of about 4 Mps on a good day (FTTC is 2.5 miles away,
wouldn't be any faster). It could handle 2.5 Mbps iPlayer streamed or
download in a few minutes shorter than the realtime duration. The 5
Mbps content won't stream and takes about double the running time to
download. Do what we did with the new fangled 2400/2400 dialup
modems, start it going and leave it for a day or two...

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article , Huge
scribeth thus
On 2016-08-31, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Mike Tomlinson
scribeth thus
En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

Pass on that one Mike. Don't know.

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...

It may well be the they'll upgrade you for free after a while.



Once you get to the point where you can stream movies in real time, why
does anyone much care?



Because you might not be the only one in the household using the
service.

Used by up to four people here 50 odd G/B a day isn't that unusual..
--
Tony Sayer

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 31/08/16 06:35, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...


I've been on the internet since the word 'go' and frankly right now I
couldn't use much more download speed. 15Mps is fast enough to get most
of what I want in a perfectly assccpetable time.. I'd rather have more
upload speed. When it takes minutes to send a 50Mbyte file to the
lawyers....or upload it to my private 'cloud'

Don't you just send it and leave it to its own devices?.

Even games - well the server I play against is the other side of a
transatlantic pipe with 80ms delay on it. Doesn't matter how fast my
local link is..


Never pictured you as a gamer;!...


--
Tony Sayer

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 31/08/16 10:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 30/08/16 23:05, tony sayer wrote:

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what goes on
or rather doesn't there..

BT is not Openreach. Openreach don't have customer service.

That's handled by BT wholesale and talks only to wholesale customers -
like BT retail.

You problem is that BT *retail's* customer services are utter crap and
based in ...well you know where.




I think you'll find that Openreach are closer to BT in practice than
might be thought, seems from what I hear their techs have around as many
problems as what the public do!..

Yes, but their techs are steps closer to you with an independent ISP in
the loop instead of BT retail.


Yes they the still have to use "India" for a lot of information they
need..
--
Tony Sayer

On 01/09/16 10:58, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 31/08/16 10:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 30/08/16 23:05, tony sayer wrote:

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what goes on
or rather doesn't there..

BT is not Openreach. Openreach don't have customer service.

That's handled by BT wholesale and talks only to wholesale customers -
like BT retail.

You problem is that BT *retail's* customer services are utter crap and
based in ...well you know where.




I think you'll find that Openreach are closer to BT in practice than
might be thought, seems from what I hear their techs have around as many
problems as what the public do!..

Yes, but their techs are steps closer to you with an independent ISP in
the loop instead of BT retail.


Yes they the still have to use "India" for a lot of information they
need..


Not me, not ever since I left BT.

The India call centres are all BT retail.

Not BT wholesale.


--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On 01/09/16 10:57, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 31/08/16 06:35, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...


I've been on the internet since the word 'go' and frankly right now I
couldn't use much more download speed. 15Mps is fast enough to get most
of what I want in a perfectly assccpetable time.. I'd rather have more
upload speed. When it takes minutes to send a 50Mbyte file to the
lawyers....or upload it to my private 'cloud'

Don't you just send it and leave it to its own devices?.

Even games - well the server I play against is the other side of a
transatlantic pipe with 80ms delay on it. Doesn't matter how fast my
local link is..


Never pictured you as a gamer;!...

Not really much of one. But this one is an MORPG and I find it fills a
few hours





--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On Thursday, 1 September 2016 10:59:27 UTC+1, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 31/08/16 06:35, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its a standard product here now, its called the 200 meg service but
on all the speed tests we've done its past that by a bit.

Isn't G.fast supposed to be up to 300Mbps?

I'm on a solid 40 now, with a solid 80 available if I want it, so by the
time G.fast gets here...


I've been on the internet since the word 'go' and frankly right now I
couldn't use much more download speed. 15Mps is fast enough to get most
of what I want in a perfectly assccpetable time.. I'd rather have more
upload speed. When it takes minutes to send a 50Mbyte file to the
lawyers....or upload it to my private 'cloud'

Don't you just send it and leave it to its own devices?.

Well yes but during the send it tends to slow other things down, OK perhaps if all your doing is typing into word. But it slows browsing down and most other things as yuor computer probbly unknown by you is sending and reciving packets continuously (usually due to goolge) and teh slower your upload the slower everything will work.


Even games - well the server I play against is the other side of a
transatlantic pipe with 80ms delay on it. Doesn't matter how fast my
local link is..


Never pictured you as a gamer;!...


--
Tony Sayer

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 01/09/16 10:58, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 31/08/16 10:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 30/08/16 23:05, tony sayer wrote:

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what goes on
or rather doesn't there..

BT is not Openreach. Openreach don't have customer service.

That's handled by BT wholesale and talks only to wholesale customers -
like BT retail.

You problem is that BT *retail's* customer services are utter crap and
based in ...well you know where.




I think you'll find that Openreach are closer to BT in practice than
might be thought, seems from what I hear their techs have around as many
problems as what the public do!..

Yes, but their techs are steps closer to you with an independent ISP in
the loop instead of BT retail.


Yes they the still have to use "India" for a lot of information they
need..


Not me, not ever since I left BT.

The India call centres are all BT retail.

Not BT wholesale.


I'm referring to Openreach when they need info as to where their
infrastructure and the like is etc..
--
Tony Sayer

On 01/09/16 13:14, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 01/09/16 10:58, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 31/08/16 10:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 30/08/16 23:05, tony sayer wrote:

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what goes on
or rather doesn't there..

BT is not Openreach. Openreach don't have customer service.

That's handled by BT wholesale and talks only to wholesale customers -
like BT retail.

You problem is that BT *retail's* customer services are utter crap and
based in ...well you know where.




I think you'll find that Openreach are closer to BT in practice than
might be thought, seems from what I hear their techs have around as many
problems as what the public do!..

Yes, but their techs are steps closer to you with an independent ISP in
the loop instead of BT retail.


Yes they the still have to use "India" for a lot of information they
need..


Not me, not ever since I left BT.

The India call centres are all BT retail.

Not BT wholesale.


I'm referring to Openreach when they need info as to where their
infrastructure and the like is etc..

If they don't know no one does!


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"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/09/16 13:14, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 01/09/16 10:58, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 31/08/16 10:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 30/08/16 23:05, tony sayer wrote:

Update. BT India phoned last Friday, to tell me my line was
perfect! I pointed out that there were 2 Open Reach reports
that stated
otherwise as the line is shorted. Today I had another Indian
call to
confirm that my line was perfect and that Open Reach had
repaired the
fault. I was able to point out to India, that they had just
called me on
my landline and the call would not go through. They had then
called my
mobile and I was able to assure them that not only had the
call not gone
through, but my broadband speed had halved from normal. Also the
broadband noise margin had dropped from 12db to 6db between
this morning
and this afternoon! They decided that perhaps they needed to
talk to
Open Reach again!


I think that BT/ Openreach could improve their services no end
if they
bought their own communications back to the UK mainland. Every
Openreach
bloke i have ever spoke to moaned about "bloody India" and what
goes on
or rather doesn't there..

BT is not Openreach. Openreach don't have customer service.

That's handled by BT wholesale and talks only to wholesale
customers -
like BT retail.

You problem is that BT *retail's* customer services are utter
crap and
based in ...well you know where.




I think you'll find that Openreach are closer to BT in practice than
might be thought, seems from what I hear their techs have around
as many
problems as what the public do!..

Yes, but their techs are steps closer to you with an independent
ISP in
the loop instead of BT retail.


Yes they the still have to use "India" for a lot of information they
need..


Not me, not ever since I left BT.

The India call centres are all BT retail.

Not BT wholesale.


I'm referring to Openreach when they need info as to where their
infrastructure and the like is etc..

If they don't know no one does!


That no one knows, I can believe. 3pm yesterday I had a phone
line(not working correctly) and some internet connection. 4.30pm,
neither! I called India who said I would be reconnected by 12 midnight
tonight. 5.30pm yesterday I was reconnected. My phone is just about
working, but the noise margin on BB went from 6db at 9am to 2db by 11am,
killing BB. Rebooting the router down to 2.2M gives me BB connectivity
again, but no clue as to when BT will fix the line problem. Obviously
it's a temperature related connectivity problem, as the day warms up,
the absolute noise levels increase.