On 29/07/15 23:41, David Lang wrote:
On 29/07/2015 23:31, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 29/07/15 23:18, Davey wrote:
Anyone recommend a download that will clean up & improve speed?


It's called changing to a Linux OS and ditching Windows for ever.


That is the easier option than wading through the mysteries and band-aid
fixes of windows "security" software.

But I guess the OP likes Windows. So what to download?

I don't, it just comes with the machine. I have no idea what Linux is.
Possibly a character from Peanuts?

OK, try this.

Your honeymoon period with your new machine is over. You've probably got
a good idea what Windows application is useful, and what is not. Some of
that is probably the advertising junk that was delivered with the
machine. One of those almost certainly is something from Norton.

Investigate how to back up data from your machine. The best probably is
something over the internet, google drive, one drive, dropbox etc. You
can also make a full image copy to an external £30 hard drive, if truely
paranoid.

You should then look at a clean W8 install using the recovery media
supplied with the machine. Uninstall all of the pre-delivered junk. If
that is hard, pay someone.

Then have it upgraded to Windows 10...

--
Adrian C

On 30/07/2015 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/07/15 10:09, Richard wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message


It is not zealotry when your response to 'my horse is expensive to
maintain ****s everywhere and is getting slow' is 'have you tried a
motor car'?


Try getting your motor car to jump hedges while chasing a pack of
hounds, though.

On 30/07/2015 15:05, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 29/07/2015 23:02, David Lang wrote:
Hi

New laptop is already starting to run slowly. Piggin Windows 8.


I used to have Norton 360 which had various function to do disc clean
up, defrag etc.

Not sure if Norton 360 still has those functions? Don't like the price
of it either.

Anyone recommend a download that will clean up & improve speed?


I gave up reading all the posts half way through the "Linus" thread so
someone else may have already said this.

I would suggest running ccleaner, particularly the "cleaner" and the
"registry cleaner" options, and malwarebytes.

Both free, both reliable IMHO. The usual caveat applies when downloading
to watch that you don't inadvertently click to download other stuff, and
you don't agree to use Ask or to change your default search engine.

I think that he said that he has used Ccleaner and it made a big difference.
Up there somewhere with the Linux ****e.


I found that later, and others have mentioned malwarebytes too.

On 30/07/2015 06:56, Richard wrote:
Linux is similar to other operating systems.
Each does the job in hand.
Each has users.
Each has fanatics.

Think religion...

+1. Beautifully put.

(I have an Ubuntu dev box at work, and a Windows laptop for email. I'm
mostly developing for Android [~= Linux] but sometimes it's something
else. Or no OS at all...)

Andy

On 30/07/2015 10:17, Bod wrote:
I've used this script on Windows7 and 8. It gives a dramatic increase in
speed.
It's safe, I've been using it for about a year - ish.

Doesn't look to me as if it would do much more than speed up the
perception of a few GUI items. None of which I find at all slow.

It would also speed up a few error cases - which I don't get.

Andy

On 30/07/2015 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Rubbish, Unix is a protected memory OS, android isn't, the CPUs it runs
on can't even manage virtual memory in a meaningful way.

This turns out not to be the case.

Andy

On 30/07/2015 20:47, newshound wrote:
On 30/07/2015 10:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/07/15 10:09, Richard wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message


It is not zealotry when your response to 'my horse is expensive to
maintain ****s everywhere and is getting slow' is 'have you tried a
motor car'?


Try getting your motor car to jump hedges while chasing a pack of
hounds, though.

It's not too good for the roses either

Andy

On 30/07/2015 19:58, Adrian Caspersz wrote:


You should then look at a clean W8 install using the recovery media
supplied with the machine. Uninstall all of the pre-delivered junk. If
that is hard, pay someone.

Then have it upgraded to Windows 10...


ITYM backup the data, download the win10 ISO, do fresh install using
win8 key.

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 30/07/2015 15:05, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 29/07/2015 23:02, David Lang wrote:
Hi

New laptop is already starting to run slowly. Piggin Windows 8.


I used to have Norton 360 which had various function to do disc clean
up, defrag etc.

Not sure if Norton 360 still has those functions? Don't like the price
of it either.

Anyone recommend a download that will clean up & improve speed?


I gave up reading all the posts half way through the "Linus" thread so
someone else may have already said this.

I would suggest running ccleaner, particularly the "cleaner" and the
"registry cleaner" options, and malwarebytes.

Both free, both reliable IMHO. The usual caveat applies when downloading
to watch that you don't inadvertently click to download other stuff, and
you don't agree to use Ask or to change your default search engine.

I think that he said that he has used Ccleaner and it made a big
difference.
Up there somewhere with the Linux ****e.


I found that later, and others have mentioned malwarebytes too.

I have two less than 12 month old lap tops to sort out next week for a
highly paid person who works for the local council. He has a degree you
know.
He is basically as thick as pig ****, as is his highly paid bimbo wife and
his two spoilt dumbo brats who do not know where the Romans came from.
It's W8 and I've done it before for him, I'm still XP but okay with W7.
Last time there was nearly 1000 bad things on their machines.
Dumb Britain.

On 30/07/15 21:50, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/07/2015 19:58, Adrian Caspersz wrote:


You should then look at a clean W8 install using the recovery media
supplied with the machine. Uninstall all of the pre-delivered junk. If
that is hard, pay someone.

Then have it upgraded to Windows 10...


ITYM backup the data, download the win10 ISO, do fresh install using
win8 key.

Look at the hoops in that. Clean it ain't.

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/201...ndows-7-and-8/

--
Adrian C

On 30/07/15 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Most people use windows because they can use windows.
No, the use it because it was on the computer they were sold

They can't use linux on a desktop as the support isn't there for them to
use it.

there is more support than there is for windows. unless you are a
corporate customer there is NO support for windows

Most people don't have a clue about computers

The first true statement in your post


and that doesn't mix with linux.

These days, it does.


If the linux crowd ever actually wake up to that fact they might try and
make a version of linux that most people can use but don't hold your
breath.

Its called Linux Mint.


--
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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 30/07/2015 19:43, Bob Eager wrote:
On dismantling it to fix something he'd broken, I found a solid lump of
fluff/dirt across the fan vent. The CPU had been clocking itself down to
avoid overheating. (he used to leave it running/charging on his bed)

Huh, wouldn't have been a problem on a Linux or Mac box. :-)

On 30/07/2015 19:58, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 29/07/15 23:41, David Lang wrote:
On 29/07/2015 23:31, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 29/07/15 23:18, Davey wrote:
Anyone recommend a download that will clean up & improve speed?


It's called changing to a Linux OS and ditching Windows for ever.


That is the easier option than wading through the mysteries and band-aid
fixes of windows "security" software.

But I guess the OP likes Windows. So what to download?

I don't, it just comes with the machine. I have no idea what Linux is.
Possibly a character from Peanuts?

OK, try this.

Your honeymoon period with your new machine is over. You've probably got
a good idea what Windows application is useful, and what is not. Some of
that is probably the advertising junk that was delivered with the
machine. One of those almost certainly is something from Norton.

Investigate how to back up data from your machine. The best probably is
something over the internet, google drive, one drive, dropbox etc. You
can also make a full image copy to an external £30 hard drive, if truely
paranoid.

You should then look at a clean W8 install using the recovery media
supplied with the machine. Uninstall all of the pre-delivered junk. If
that is hard, pay someone.

Then have it upgraded to Windows 10...

I've just done that. It's better.

On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:21:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 30/07/15 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Most people use windows because they can use windows.
No, the use it because it was on the computer they were sold

They can't use linux on a desktop as the support isn't there for them to
use it.

there is more support than there is for windows. unless you are a
corporate customer there is NO support for windows

Most people don't have a clue about computers

The first true statement in your post


and that doesn't mix with linux.

These days, it does.


If the linux crowd ever actually wake up to that fact they might try and
make a version of linux that most people can use but don't hold your
breath.

Its called Linux Mint.

I would also suggest openSUSE.

Anyway it seems immaterial whatever Linux distro is offered, the windows
crowd seem quite happy to have to put up with AV & malware apps etc. to
run their computers. Something we don't have to worry about, unless you
have windows computers on your network.

On 30/07/2015 22:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/07/15 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Most people use windows because they can use windows.
No, the use it because it was on the computer they were sold

They can't use linux on a desktop as the support isn't there for them to
use it.

there is more support than there is for windows. unless you are a
corporate customer there is NO support for windows

Rubbish, there are lots more places you can get help with windows.
there aren't very many linux people that can help anyone.


Most people don't have a clue about computers

The first true statement in your post


and that doesn't mix with linux.

These days, it does.

The hell it does.

If the linux crowd ever actually wake up to that fact they might try and
make a version of linux that most people can use but don't hold your
breath.

Its called Linux Mint.

Most people can't use linux mint, they need help but there isn't any.

On 30/07/2015 22:20, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 30/07/15 21:50, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/07/2015 19:58, Adrian Caspersz wrote:


You should then look at a clean W8 install using the recovery media
supplied with the machine. Uninstall all of the pre-delivered junk. If
that is hard, pay someone.

Then have it upgraded to Windows 10...


ITYM backup the data, download the win10 ISO, do fresh install using
win8 key.

Look at the hoops in that. Clean it ain't.

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/201...ndows-7-and-8/



Its dead simple, download the image, boot from it, install. Just how is
that difficult?

On 30/07/15 23:32, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/07/2015 22:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/07/15 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Most people use windows because they can use windows.
No, the use it because it was on the computer they were sold

They can't use linux on a desktop as the support isn't there for them to
use it.

there is more support than there is for windows. unless you are a
corporate customer there is NO support for windows

Rubbish, there are lots more places you can get help with windows.
there aren't very many linux people that can help anyone.


Most people don't have a clue about computers

The first true statement in your post


and that doesn't mix with linux.

These days, it does.

The hell it does.

If the linux crowd ever actually wake up to that fact they might try and
make a version of linux that most people can use but don't hold your
breath.

Its called Linux Mint.

Most people can't use linux mint, they need help but there isn't any.

what a stupendously ridiculous thing to say.

If there were decent help for windows, the OP wouldn't have posted here.

Hpw many people here asking how to fix linux then?


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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 30/07/15 23:37, dennis@home wrote:
Its dead simple, download the image, boot from it, install. Just how is
that difficult?

Well that's linux mint for you!

takes half an hour on a reasonable computer..


--
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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 30/07/15 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Most people use windows because they can use windows.
No, the use it because it was on the computer they were sold

They can't use linux on a desktop as the support isn't there for them to
use it.

there is more support than there is for windows. unless you are a
corporate customer there is NO support for windows

That's not correct, the obvious support is from those you know.

Most people don't have a clue about computers

The first true statement in your post


and that doesn't mix with linux.

These days, it does.

Nope, even with the distros that try to look like Win.

If the linux crowd ever actually wake up to that fact they might try and
make a version of linux that most people can use but don't hold your
breath.

Its called Linux Mint.

Not for naïve users who have only ever used Win.

On 30/07/2015 21:37, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 30/07/2015 10:17, Bod wrote:
I've used this script on Windows7 and 8. It gives a dramatic increase in
speed.
It's safe, I've been using it for about a year - ish.

Doesn't look to me as if it would do much more than speed up the
perception of a few GUI items. None of which I find at all slow.

It would also speed up a few error cases - which I don't get.

Andy

I can assure you that it makes a dramatic difference.
I don't get any more errors either.
The reviews speak for themselves.
I use SSD drives and it even speeded those up a lot, so now my computers
are insanely fast. It's your choice.

On 30/07/2015 23:37, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/07/2015 22:20, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 30/07/15 21:50, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/07/2015 19:58, Adrian Caspersz wrote:


You should then look at a clean W8 install using the recovery media
supplied with the machine. Uninstall all of the pre-delivered junk. If
that is hard, pay someone.

Then have it upgraded to Windows 10...


ITYM backup the data, download the win10 ISO, do fresh install using
win8 key.

Look at the hoops in that. Clean it ain't.

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/201...ndows-7-and-8/




Its dead simple, download the image, boot from it, install. Just how is
that difficult?

Well, I've no idea what you're talking about and I doubt if the OP has
either.

On 31/07/15 05:34, JHY wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 30/07/15 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Most people use windows because they can use windows.
No, the use it because it was on the computer they were sold

They can't use linux on a desktop as the support isn't there for them to
use it.

there is more support than there is for windows. unless you are a
corporate customer there is NO support for windows

That's not correct, the obvious support is from those you know.

Most people don't have a clue about computers

The first true statement in your post


and that doesn't mix with linux.

These days, it does.

Nope, even with the distros that try to look like Win.

If the linux crowd ever actually wake up to that fact they might try and
make a version of linux that most people can use but don't hold your
breath.

Its called Linux Mint.

Not for naïve users who have only ever used Win.

Actually the naive user who has only ever used - or been abused by -
win, finds it no less difficult to use than windows. He appreciates it
runs faster and better than windows however.

Which reminds me, I must pop round and see how he is getting on.


--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 10:10:27 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/07/15 05:34, JHY wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 30/07/15 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Most people use windows because they can use windows.
No, the use it because it was on the computer they were sold

They can't use linux on a desktop as the support isn't there for them to
use it.

there is more support than there is for windows. unless you are a
corporate customer there is NO support for windows

That's not correct, the obvious support is from those you know.

Most people don't have a clue about computers

The first true statement in your post


and that doesn't mix with linux.

These days, it does.

Nope, even with the distros that try to look like Win.

If the linux crowd ever actually wake up to that fact they might try and
make a version of linux that most people can use but don't hold your
breath.

Its called Linux Mint.

Not for naïve users who have only ever used Win.

Actually the naive user who has only ever used - or been abused by -
win, finds it no less difficult to use than windows. He appreciates it
runs faster and better than windows however.

Which reminds me, I must pop round and see how he is getting on.


--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

Sweet J****s. Microsoft bashing. So predictable, so boring. This all reminds me about the time Michael Dell was asked by an Apple fanboy if the perceived problems with Vista had made Apple more of a threat. His reply was along the lines of 'Apple have less than 2% of the PC market so aren't even on the horizon'

Collapse of smug Apple fanboy.

I feel the same way about Linux. In global terms its such a minority interest. If it was so wonderful it would be cock of the walk by this time so why would a neophyte wish to get involved with an operating system with such a small user base.

On 7/29/2015 11:02 PM, David Lang wrote:
Hi

New laptop is already starting to run slowly. Piggin Windows 8.

Unlikely to be a windows 8 specific thing...

Chances are you have acquired some unwanted browser "add ons"...

I used to have Norton 360 which had various function to do disc clean
up, defrag etc.

Not sure if Norton 360 still has those functions? Don't like the price
of it either.

Anyone recommend a download that will clean up & improve speed?

malwarebytes.org/mwb-download

Install, say no to the question about a 30 day trial of the pro version,
run it, do an update, and then scan. Let it have away anything it finds.



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On 7/30/2015 12:48 AM, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:00:17 +0100
David Lang wrote:

On 29/07/2015 23:55, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:41:34 +0100
David Lang wrote:

I only use the Win7 when I want to run the one programme that I
can't get to run on Ubuntu otherwise I would delete it to get the
extra space. If you happen to have a Humax PVR, you already have a
Linux machine.

Thank you, but I didn't understand a word of that :-)



Oh well, I tried. It's not that difficult, surely?

Hereby demonstrating one of the big difficulties with linux - the
users... while there are plenty of very helpful ones out there, there
are some that have difficulty relating to folks that don't dig
technology in the way they do.


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On 7/30/2015 10:27 AM, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:56:38 +0100
David Lang wrote:

On 30/07/2015 00:48, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:00:17 +0100
David Lang wrote:

On 29/07/2015 23:55, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:41:34 +0100
David Lang wrote:

I only use the Win7 when I want to run the one programme that I
can't get to run on Ubuntu otherwise I would delete it to get the
extra space. If you happen to have a Humax PVR, you already have a
Linux machine.

Thank you, but I didn't understand a word of that :-)



Oh well, I tried. It's not that difficult, surely?

And I thank you for trying.

It may not be that difficult if you know your subject but to the
layman its gibberish :-)

As an ex working magician I could describe a trick as using an
Elmsley Count, an Ascanio Spread and a Tenkai Palm. Another magician
would immediately know what I was on about.



I can only refer you to the suggestion offered by The Natural
Philosopher:
"Insert DVD, follow instructions."

"Simples", as they say.

Sounds like a simply way to lose all your documents, photos, and other
information. Then find you are no longer connected to your email,
newsgroups and don't recognise half your software.


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On 7/30/2015 11:09 AM, Huge wrote:
On 2015-07-30, Robin wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Well you manage to appear stupid with effortless ease. Probably a
windows zealot...

Why don't you spend your time and energy addressing whatever market
failures have stopped Linux taking a larger share of the desktop
market - especially the consumer desktop market - despite manifest
advantages such as price? As it is this is yet another thread which
seems to me to support the (in)famous comment:

"The biggest killer of putting penguin software on the desktop was the
Linux community. If you think the Apple fanboys are completely barking,
they are role models of sanity to the loudmouthed Open Sauce religious
loonies who are out there."

https://web.archive.org/web/20131222...hance-has-gone

And AIUI you couldn't just install any old Linux distro and use Netflix
until last autumn. If so, how was that a system fit for the consumer
market?

Whilst you (and he) have a point, it's all irrelevant.

(i) The desktop market is dying. I was in a meeting the other day where it
was pointed out that the vast majority of access to our website is from
mobile devices. And MS have just failed completely in their second attempt to
break into the mobile market.

The desktop market will shrink as the people who find they can do what
they want as easily on a mobile device fall away. There will remain a
core of users however on the desktop.

(ii) The war is over; Unix (and its relatives) won. Android is Unix. iOS

There are plenty of usable consumer platforms out there including
android that include a subset of linux technology. However to
extrapolate that into a general argument in favour of one of the desktop
distributions seems like a bit of a stretch.

is Unix. Blackberry is Unix (and dying itself, sadly). Windows Phone is
nowhere.

(iii) In the server space, Unix won overwhelmingly.

True, but not really relevant to the consumer.

(iv) Microsoft are a marketing company, not a technology company. Most
people use Windows because they know no better.





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On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:03:19 +0100
John Rumm wrote:

On 7/30/2015 12:48 AM, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:00:17 +0100
David Lang wrote:

On 29/07/2015 23:55, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:41:34 +0100
David Lang wrote:

I only use the Win7 when I want to run the one programme that I
can't get to run on Ubuntu otherwise I would delete it to get the
extra space. If you happen to have a Humax PVR, you already have a
Linux machine.

Thank you, but I didn't understand a word of that :-)



Oh well, I tried. It's not that difficult, surely?

Hereby demonstrating one of the big difficulties with linux - the
users... while there are plenty of very helpful ones out there, there
are some that have difficulty relating to folks that don't dig
technology in the way they do.



Here, the OP implies that he has no idea what is meant by "Insert DVD,
follow instructions". This makes me wonder how he would Backup his
Windows, or even worse, how he would Restore it from a total HDD
failure. That is difficult enough as it is, even for a computer-savvy
operator (the last time I tried, I was told that the Backup, although
made by the Update process itself, had an error, which was unspecified).

I mentioned earlier about the Linux fanatics, and yes they are out
there, and I'm not one of them. I have said that I keep Windows as
there is one programme that I need it for. But I also love the ease and
simplicity of updates with Linux, none of the huge time-consuming
sessions while Redmond downloads another load of Patches and fixes.
Linux updates take a few minutes, and installing from scratchmaybe half
an hour. The last time I installed Windows anywhere, it took about e
hours, after several update/reboot/update/reboot etc sessions.

--
Davey.

On 31/07/15 10:24, fred wrote:

I feel the same way about Linux. In global terms its such a minority
interest. If it was so wonderful it would be cock of the walk by this
time so why would a neophyte wish to get involved with an operating
system with such a small user base.

Dunno. Not much of a user base for a Lamborghini either, but I'd take
one for free...

Wasn't much of a user base for DOS either till IBM built their PC.

Incidentally the whole desktop PC thing is in a state of collapse.

Of course since most mobiles, routers and servers are based on Linux,
you could argue that its got a higher user base than windows.

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someone else's pocket.

On 31/07/15 11:03, John Rumm wrote:
On 7/30/2015 12:48 AM, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:00:17 +0100
David Lang wrote:

On 29/07/2015 23:55, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:41:34 +0100
David Lang wrote:

I only use the Win7 when I want to run the one programme that I
can't get to run on Ubuntu otherwise I would delete it to get the
extra space. If you happen to have a Humax PVR, you already have a
Linux machine.

Thank you, but I didn't understand a word of that :-)



Oh well, I tried. It's not that difficult, surely?

Hereby demonstrating one of the big difficulties with linux - the
users... while there are plenty of very helpful ones out there, there
are some that have difficulty relating to folks that don't dig
technology in the way they do.


As I said, download and burn the DVD, stick it in the drive and boot.

The *only* reason most naive users run windows is that it comes
pre-installed.

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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 31/07/15 11:05, John Rumm wrote:
On 7/30/2015 10:27 AM, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:56:38 +0100
David Lang wrote:

On 30/07/2015 00:48, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:00:17 +0100
David Lang wrote:

On 29/07/2015 23:55, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:41:34 +0100
David Lang wrote:

I only use the Win7 when I want to run the one programme that I
can't get to run on Ubuntu otherwise I would delete it to get the
extra space. If you happen to have a Humax PVR, you already have a
Linux machine.

Thank you, but I didn't understand a word of that :-)



Oh well, I tried. It's not that difficult, surely?

And I thank you for trying.

It may not be that difficult if you know your subject but to the
layman its gibberish :-)

As an ex working magician I could describe a trick as using an
Elmsley Count, an Ascanio Spread and a Tenkai Palm. Another magician
would immediately know what I was on about.



I can only refer you to the suggestion offered by The Natural
Philosopher:
"Insert DVD, follow instructions."

"Simples", as they say.

Sounds like a simply way to lose all your documents, photos, and other
information. Then find you are no longer connected to your email,
newsgroups and don't recognise half your software.


same for a reinstall of windows.


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On 31/07/15 11:18, John Rumm wrote:
(iii) In the server space, Unix won overwhelmingly.

True, but not really relevant to the consumer.

very relevant. It demonstrates that where stability and speed matter,
you don't pick windows


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On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:05:45 +0100
John Rumm wrote:

I can only refer you to the suggestion offered by The Natural
Philosopher:
"Insert DVD, follow instructions."

"Simples", as they say.

Sounds like a simply way to lose all your documents, photos, and
other information. Then find you are no longer connected to your
email, newsgroups and don't recognise half your software.

We are talking about installing a different operating system, so I fail
to understand what you mean by that. Any sensible operator has any
important files backed up already, and why would installing Linux fail
to connect you to the internet?
Of course half the software would not be recognised, but any new
software required is free, in both senses. Firefox and Thunderbird, the
Mozilla programmes, are the same on either platform and will transfer
directly, importing your old profiles, and LibreOffice understands Word
and Excel and other Windows files. I see no problem.

--
Davey.

On 31/07/15 11:27, Davey wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:03:19 +0100
John Rumm wrote:

On 7/30/2015 12:48 AM, Davey wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 00:00:17 +0100
David Lang wrote:

On 29/07/2015 23:55, Davey wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:41:34 +0100
David Lang wrote:

I only use the Win7 when I want to run the one programme that I
can't get to run on Ubuntu otherwise I would delete it to get the
extra space. If you happen to have a Humax PVR, you already have a
Linux machine.

Thank you, but I didn't understand a word of that :-)



Oh well, I tried. It's not that difficult, surely?

Hereby demonstrating one of the big difficulties with linux - the
users... while there are plenty of very helpful ones out there, there
are some that have difficulty relating to folks that don't dig
technology in the way they do.



Here, the OP implies that he has no idea what is meant by "Insert DVD,
follow instructions". This makes me wonder how he would Backup his
Windows, or even worse, how he would Restore it from a total HDD
failure. That is difficult enough as it is, even for a computer-savvy
operator (the last time I tried, I was told that the Backup, although
made by the Update process itself, had an error, which was unspecified).

I mentioned earlier about the Linux fanatics, and yes they are out
there, and I'm not one of them. I have said that I keep Windows as
there is one programme that I need it for. But I also love the ease and
simplicity of updates with Linux, none of the huge time-consuming
sessions while Redmond downloads another load of Patches and fixes.
Linux updates take a few minutes, and installing from scratchmaybe half
an hour. The last time I installed Windows anywhere, it took about e
hours, after several update/reboot/update/reboot etc sessions.

The curious thing is that these w9ndows fanbois are using exactly the
arguments I used against linux when I ran win98 on my desktop.

10 years later, linux has now advanced to the stage where those
arguments are simply outdated.


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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 31/07/2015 11:30, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Davey
wrote:

I mentioned earlier about the Linux fanatics, and yes they are out
there, and I'm not one of them. I have said that I keep Windows as
there is one programme that I need it for. But I also love the ease and
simplicity of updates with Linux, none of the huge time-consuming
sessions while Redmond downloads another load of Patches and fixes.
Linux updates take a few minutes, and installing from scratchmaybe half
an hour. The last time I installed Windows anywhere, it took about e
hours, after several update/reboot/update/reboot etc sessions.

Every time I fire up my Mint VM (about once a month) it spends 20-30
minutes downloading stuff.

You must have a very low download speed then....yes?

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:30:48 +0100
Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Davey
wrote:

I mentioned earlier about the Linux fanatics, and yes they are out
there, and I'm not one of them. I have said that I keep Windows as
there is one programme that I need it for. But I also love the ease
and simplicity of updates with Linux, none of the huge time-consuming
sessions while Redmond downloads another load of Patches and fixes.
Linux updates take a few minutes, and installing from scratchmaybe
half an hour. The last time I installed Windows anywhere, it took
about e hours, after several update/reboot/update/reboot etc
sessions.

Every time I fire up my Mint VM (about once a month) it spends 20-30
minutes downloading stuff.


I don't use Mint, so I have no comment. Ubuntu runs updates every few
days, but I am online every day, so it isn't a problem. Updates take
place in the background anyway, I only know they have finished when I
see the balloon pop up. And yes, I can review and disable any update I
don't want. I can also do it selectively from the command line, but I
am happy letting the auto. system do it, under my control.

--
Davey.

On 7/31/2015 10:24 AM, fred wrote:

Sweet J****s. Microsoft bashing. So predictable, so boring. This all

Indeed... its almost laughable how many times this thread repeats
itself, with the fanboys failing to understand that *they* are
frequently one of the reasons their pet technology it not currently
ruling the roost. All that technical nouse, and yet they can't answer a
simple question, but instead decide that berating the asker for not
doing it their favoured way.

Those that highlighted that MS are a great marketing organisation
actually hit the nail on the head. They make sure that they sell a
consistent product and message, and that all the manufacturers pre-load it.

If it is not pre-loaded on your new hardware then its not relevant -
game over.

Google have demonstrated how you get a non MS OS in to the hands of jo
public with Android, an Apple with IOS.



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"fred" wrote in message
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On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 10:10:27 AM UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 31/07/15 05:34, JHY wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 30/07/15 19:28, dennis@home wrote:
Most people use windows because they can use windows.
No, the use it because it was on the computer they were sold

They can't use linux on a desktop as the support isn't there for them
to
use it.

there is more support than there is for windows. unless you are a
corporate customer there is NO support for windows

That's not correct, the obvious support is from those you know.

Most people don't have a clue about computers

The first true statement in your post


and that doesn't mix with linux.

These days, it does.

Nope, even with the distros that try to look like Win.

If the linux crowd ever actually wake up to that fact they might try
and
make a version of linux that most people can use but don't hold your
breath.

Its called Linux Mint.

Not for naïve users who have only ever used Win.

Actually the naive user who has only ever used - or been abused by -
win, finds it no less difficult to use than windows. He appreciates it
runs faster and better than windows however.

Which reminds me, I must pop round and see how he is getting on.


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New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

Sweet J****s. Microsoft bashing. So predictable, so boring. This all
reminds me about the time Michael Dell was asked by an Apple fanboy if the
perceived problems with Vista had made Apple more of a threat. His reply
was along the lines of 'Apple have less than 2% of the PC market so aren't
even on the horizon'

Collapse of smug Apple fanboy.

I feel the same way about Linux. In global terms its such a minority
interest.

If it was so wonderful it would be cock of the walk by this time

No, because it doesn't come with the hardware people buy and
there are too many very dramatically different versions of it for that.

so why would a neophyte wish to get involved with
an operating system with such a small user base.

Particularly when its unlikely that anyone else he knows is
already using it and can be asked when he has a problem.

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:28:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 31/07/15 10:24, fred wrote:

I feel the same way about Linux. In global terms its such a minority
interest. If it was so wonderful it would be cock of the walk by this
time so why would a neophyte wish to get involved with an operating
system with such a small user base.

Dunno. Not much of a user base for a Lamborghini either, but I'd take one
for free...

Wasn't much of a user base for DOS either till IBM built their PC.

Incidentally the whole desktop PC thing is in a state of collapse.

Of course since most mobiles, routers and servers are based on Linux, you
could argue that its got a higher user base than windows.

Yes. When you take into consideration /all/ aspects of computing, Linux is
by far the most used OS.
It runs 68% of the Internet servers, runs routers, runs onboard automobile
computers, Smart TVs, smart phones, supercomputers (95%), avionics, etc.

In article , David Lang
writes
Hi

New laptop is already starting to run slowly. Piggin Windows 8.


I used to have Norton 360 which had various function to do disc clean
up, defrag etc.

Not sure if Norton 360 still has those functions? Don't like the price
of it either.

Anyone recommend a download that will clean up & improve speed?


One of the things that slows it down is all the crap software that
insists on setting up scheduled tasks to check for updates at system
start up or user log on and then every hour afterwards.
Defrag software is contained within Windows.
--
bert