The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

Cheers

Dave R

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On 17/07/2015 11:33, David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

My experience is that dishwashers part of the process to dry the items
in a dishwasher is by heating them up in steam.

Does this cold wash do the same, or are plates etc wet when removed from
the dishwasher?

FYI, hands can generally tolerate temperatures to just below 50C.

David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and hand
towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

Cheers

Dave R

On 17/07/15 11:33, David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.


I run everything on 50-55C and use an occasional wash at 65C to keep the
machine clean (and I run cleaner though it every other month which does
do a lot of good - especially as I take of the filters out for that and
arrange on the racks so they get a good wash too).

Same with the washing machine - towells get done at 95C.

"David" wrote in message
...
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a
dishwasher?

I dont believe that the dishes need a temperature sterilisation,
the very aggressive very alkaline detergent is all that is needed
for germs etc and the higher temps are for a better cleaning
action in the sense of getting the dried on stuff off the plates
and with the cooking pots etc particularly.

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at
between 40C and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

Presumably it does it based on how dirty/greasy the contents are.

On 17/07/15 11:52, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and hand
towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

For hygiene reasons, I suspect they are properly boiled. After all,
you've had everyone's butt and mushroom infested dangly and wibbly bits
on those.

None of which bothers me as long as they've been boiled!

"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and hand
towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I wash everything except filthy greasy overalls in cold
water and dont get any problem with any of it smelling.

I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

I dont use scented detergent myself.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation
to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C
and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing
germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a
dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between
40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

Rod Speed wrote:


"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and
hand towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I wash everything except filthy greasy overalls in cold
water and dont get any problem with any of it smelling.

What sort of detergent do you use? I'm always looking for
recommendations for all kinds of things.

It may be that I'm over-sensitive to some things (sometimes I think pork
smells of urine, when other people don't notice it). Our towels
sometimes smell of 'head'. Not unpleasant, but I'd rather they didn't.

I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

I dont use scented detergent myself.

I'd guess that any scent comes from fabric softener, which we don't use.
I can't imagine that putting anything in the final rinse can be
terribly healthy, since the fabric now has something on it. I've read
good things about white vinegar, though. I might try that one day.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a
recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to
65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing
germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a
dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at
between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
Rod Speed wrote:


"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and
hand towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I wash everything except filthy greasy overalls in cold
water and dont get any problem with any of it smelling.

What sort of detergent do you use?

I use the transparent blue liquid stuff, mainly because
I have a hell of a problem with a sort of scum from the
not fully dissolved soap JUST on the very dark blue T
shirts I wear all year round. The scum which you can
wipe off with your finger when hanging it on the line
is never a problem on anything else for some reason.

Dont get that problem when I wash in other than cold
water which to me proves that the problem is that
the solid detergent isn't dissolving fully in cold water.

I'm always looking for recommendations for all kinds of things.

Yeah, I do too.

It may be that I'm over-sensitive to some things (sometimes I think pork
smells of urine, when other people don't notice it).

Cant say I have ever noticed that myself, but I eat very little pork, doesnt
have enough flavor for me, I much prefer roast legs of lamb to pork.

I used to eat pork chops a bit in the past but prefer steak and lamb chops
now.

Our towels sometimes smell of 'head'. Not unpleasant, but I'd rather they
didn't.

Yeah, I'd prefer no smell at all.

I use Pears Transparent in the shower and its
not that I can't smell very well, I notice some
visitors stink from what they use in the shower.

I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

I dont use scented detergent myself.

I'd guess that any scent comes from fabric softener, which we don't use.

Yeah, I never use that myself. I dont wear
anything but pure cotton with T shirts.

I can't imagine that putting anything in the final rinse can be terribly
healthy, since the fabric now has something on it.

I dont really care about healthy, just want it obviously clean,
particularly with the stuff that gets most dirty like the tea towels
used in the kitchen mainly when handling hot plates etc.

I've read good things about white vinegar, though. I might try that one
day.

On 17 Jul 2015 10:33:29 GMT, David wrote:

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

Eh? I recall the days where whites were boiled, pretty much. Big vat thing in
the basement, water, fire underneath, stovepipe to the chimney, wooden paddles
to beat the dirt into submission. This is in Treznal, though.

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

AFAIK the cloudiness of the wash water. I have heard a recommendation to add a
squirt of ketchup to the dishes to help raise the temperature, as it dirties the
water. No idea if it works.

(Bit daft, I think, to add dirt to get the dishes warmer...)

Thomas Prufer

Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:

I'd guess that any scent comes from fabric softener, which we don't use.
I can't imagine that putting anything in the final rinse can be
terribly healthy, since the fabric now has something on it.

Additionally, despite the images that advertisers used to love (I
don't see them nowadays) the last thing you should use on towels
is fabric softener, it significantly reduces absorbency.

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

Rod Speed wrote:


"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
Rod Speed wrote:


"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature -
30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and
hand towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I wash everything except filthy greasy overalls in cold
water and dont get any problem with any of it smelling.

What sort of detergent do you use?

I use the transparent blue liquid stuff, mainly because
I have a hell of a problem with a sort of scum from the
not fully dissolved soap JUST on the very dark blue T
shirts I wear all year round. The scum which you can
wipe off with your finger when hanging it on the line
is never a problem on anything else for some reason.

Okay, I'll look out for transparent liquid blue stuff.

Dont get that problem when I wash in other than cold
water which to me proves that the problem is that
the solid detergent isn't dissolving fully in cold water.

I'm always looking for recommendations for all kinds of things.

Yeah, I do too.

It may be that I'm over-sensitive to some things (sometimes I think
pork smells of urine, when other people don't notice it).

Cant say I have ever noticed that myself, but I eat very little pork,
doesnt
have enough flavor for me, I much prefer roast legs of lamb to pork.

I used to eat pork chops a bit in the past but prefer steak and lamb
chops now.

Our towels sometimes smell of 'head'. Not unpleasant, but I'd rather
they didn't.

Yeah, I'd prefer no smell at all.

I use Pears Transparent in the shower and its
not that I can't smell very well, I notice some
visitors stink from what they use in the shower.

I once read that some people get a bit smelly if they use soap of the
'wrong' pH. No idea why, though.

I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

I dont use scented detergent myself.

I'd guess that any scent comes from fabric softener, which we don't use.

Yeah, I never use that myself. I dont wear
anything but pure cotton with T shirts.

I can't imagine that putting anything in the final rinse can be
terribly healthy, since the fabric now has something on it.

I dont really care about healthy, just want it obviously clean,
particularly with the stuff that gets most dirty like the tea towels
used in the kitchen mainly when handling hot plates etc.

I've read good things about white vinegar, though. I might try that
one day.

"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote:


"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
Rod Speed wrote:


"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature -
30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and
hand towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I wash everything except filthy greasy overalls in cold
water and dont get any problem with any of it smelling.

What sort of detergent do you use?

I use the transparent blue liquid stuff, mainly because
I have a hell of a problem with a sort of scum from the
not fully dissolved soap JUST on the very dark blue T
shirts I wear all year round. The scum which you can
wipe off with your finger when hanging it on the line
is never a problem on anything else for some reason.

Okay, I'll look out for transparent liquid blue stuff.

Dont get that problem when I wash in other than cold
water which to me proves that the problem is that
the solid detergent isn't dissolving fully in cold water.

I'm always looking for recommendations for all kinds of things.

Yeah, I do too.

It may be that I'm over-sensitive to some things (sometimes I think
pork smells of urine, when other people don't notice it).

Cant say I have ever noticed that myself, but I eat very little pork,
doesnt
have enough flavor for me, I much prefer roast legs of lamb to pork.

I used to eat pork chops a bit in the past but prefer steak and lamb
chops now.

Our towels sometimes smell of 'head'. Not unpleasant, but I'd rather
they didn't.

Yeah, I'd prefer no smell at all.

I use Pears Transparent in the shower and its
not that I can't smell very well, I notice some
visitors stink from what they use in the shower.

I once read that some people get a bit smelly if they use soap of the
'wrong' pH. No idea why, though.

This isn't a human type smell, its clearly scented soap of some kind.

I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

I dont use scented detergent myself.

I'd guess that any scent comes from fabric softener, which we don't use.

Yeah, I never use that myself. I dont wear
anything but pure cotton with T shirts.

I can't imagine that putting anything in the final rinse can be
terribly healthy, since the fabric now has something on it.

I dont really care about healthy, just want it obviously clean,
particularly with the stuff that gets most dirty like the tea towels
used in the kitchen mainly when handling hot plates etc.

I've read good things about white vinegar, though. I might try that
one day.

On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 11:33:33 AM UTC+1, David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

Cheers

Dave R

--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

Well if you look at commercial dish washers they either add disinfectant to the washing process or wash at a high temperature. Personally I would say unless you have had something like raw chicken on the items to wash then the washing process really ought to be 'good enough'. After all hand washing takes place in a bowl full of lukewarm water (it soon cools to an ideal temperature for bugs to breed in). Hand washing also involves a bug infested dishcloth or sponge.

Philip

Tim Streater wrote:

In article , Chris J Dixon
wrote:

Additionally, despite the images that advertisers used to love (I
don't see them nowadays) the last thing you should use on towels
is fabric softener, it significantly reduces absorbency.

Ah. Is that why brand new towels feel nice but are no good at drying
until they've been washed a few times?

Quite right. I once had some named brand seconds from an outlet
store that, despite repeated washing, never came good. That was
not money saved. :-(

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Plant amazing Acers.

Huge wrote:
On 2015-07-17, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:


"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and
hand towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I wash everything except filthy greasy overalls in cold
water and dont get any problem with any of it smelling.

What sort of detergent do you use?

This is Rod Speed you're responding to. For one thing, he doesn't do his
own laundry - his Mother does.


I have to admit that my wife does mine, unless I'm experimenting with
something. You may call me old-fashioned, but I never see her fixing
the car :-)

You might think what on earth any sensible person might experiment with
when it comes to the laundry, but this weekend, I'll be seeing if
putting white vinegar in the final rinse makes any difference to anything.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:52:16 +0100, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:


I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

I did a "placement" work in hospital, the electrics department. Laundry
including operating room sheets with blood... The washing machine pipelined,
i.e. there'd be laundry in each of six (or so) stages, and it'd shift from one
the then next every three minutes or so. At the end there was a clothes dryer
that dried a thirty-or-so pound bag of laundry ever three minutes. Impressive!
Also impressive the line of ladies running the laundry through ironing machines.

The detergents are liquid, powerful, and nasty... but it would get the laundry
*clean*. There was a big flap when a laundry detergent line leaked and dripped
over a 10 kV feeder. Ate the zinc off the cable tray, and etched away at the
concrete floor. The insulation was very carefully checked before
pressure-washing the stuff off the (live) line...



That detergent

On 17/07/2015 11:33, David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Detergents work down to below 15C so a cold water wash is possible - and
in the household this is what is used 95% of the time.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever.

Once you have fully dried the clothes on an outside line very little of
anything will have survived the wash/dry.


Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

The only reason that manufactures recommend this is to sell more product!




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On 17/07/2015 13:48, Thomas Prufer wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:52:16 +0100, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:


I'd love to know what hotels use to wash their towels - to me, they
actually smell clean, rather than scented.

I did a "placement" work in hospital, the electrics department. Laundry
including operating room sheets with blood... The washing machine pipelined,
i.e. there'd be laundry in each of six (or so) stages,


Wash some stains in too hot water and you will fix them. It's better to
have a cold wash first.


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In message , Huge
writes
On 2015-07-17, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Huge
wrote:

On 2015-07-17, wrote:

[29 lines snipped]

Hand washing also involves a bug infested dishcloth or sponge.

Not in this house, it doesn't. We use a washing up brush, which goes
in the dishwasher regularly & gets washed at 65degC.

+1

Although I'm unable to persuade SWMBO not to use a cloth. But she does
at least boil it in bleach regularly.

We wipe up with kitchen towel. We used to use dishcloths, but "single use
and in the washing machine" became onerous, so we switched to paper
towels.

Things normally are left to air dry here, unless been having a big meal
with lots of pans etc.

For washing up I prefer a sponge scourer type thing.
--
Chris French

In message , Chris Hogg
writes
On 17 Jul 2015 10:33:29 GMT, David wrote:

The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

Cheers

Dave R

Two thoughts:

1) The British public (and probably all in the western world), are
neurotically and unnecessarily obsessed with the hazards of 'germs'.
Those that can do real harm are few and far between. It's not as
though we suffer the ravages of tropical diseases, and our immune
systems can cope with the rest, if properly trained (which they
probably aren't these days, due to our neurotic and unnecessary
obsession, see above).

2) Detergents in dishwashers wash away the germs along with the food
residues; it's what they do. Just like soap when you wash your hands.
You don't have to wash your hands in bleach or boiling water to remove
germs. Dishwasher detergents are probably sufficiently caustic to kill
the germs anyway, irrespective of temperature.


Yup.

And unless the clothing has been exposed to some significant nasty, I'm
not sure what we are supposed to be catching from clothes washed at 30C
or whatever (and again, surely the detergent will get most of them?)
--
Chris French

In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:
2) Detergents in dishwashers wash away the germs along with the food
residues; it's what they do. Just like soap when you wash your hands.
You don't have to wash your hands in bleach or boiling water to remove
germs. Dishwasher detergents are probably sufficiently caustic to kill
the germs anyway, irrespective of temperature.

Well, quite. Some of the most powerful bugs around are in your gut. And
therefore on your hands etc after having a s**t. ;-)

--
*Even a blind pig stumbles across an acorn now and again *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 17/07/15 16:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:
2) Detergents in dishwashers wash away the germs along with the food
residues; it's what they do. Just like soap when you wash your hands.
You don't have to wash your hands in bleach or boiling water to remove
germs. Dishwasher detergents are probably sufficiently caustic to kill
the germs anyway, irrespective of temperature.

Well, quite. Some of the most powerful bugs around are in your gut. And
therefore on your hands etc after having a s**t. ;-)


Have they not invented bog paper round your way Dave?

In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 17/07/15 16:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:
2) Detergents in dishwashers wash away the germs along with the food
residues; it's what they do. Just like soap when you wash your hands.
You don't have to wash your hands in bleach or boiling water to remove
germs. Dishwasher detergents are probably sufficiently caustic to kill
the germs anyway, irrespective of temperature.

Well, quite. Some of the most powerful bugs around are in your gut. And
therefore on your hands etc after having a s**t. ;-)


Have they not invented bog paper round your way Dave?

Does that mean you don't wash your hands after having a ****?

You might be surprised just how far such bugs get scattered during that
operation. Onto your clothes and surrounding surfaces. Enjoy your dinner.

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On 17/07/15 18:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Have they not invented bog paper round your way Dave?

Does that mean you don't wash your hands after having a ****?

You might be surprised just how far such bugs get scattered during that
operation. Onto your clothes and surrounding surfaces. Enjoy your dinner.


I shall...

On 17/07/2015 18:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You might be surprised just how far such bugs get scattered during that
operation. Onto your clothes and surrounding surfaces.


And thousands of people die every day in the UK as a result.

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"alan_m" wrote in message
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On 17/07/2015 18:11, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You might be surprised just how far such bugs get scattered during that
operation. Onto your clothes and surrounding surfaces.


And thousands of people die every day in the UK as a result.

Which certainly knocks heart disease and cancer into a cocked
hat

At 365,000 + per annum you'd imagine the Govt would mount
a publicity campaign or something about this given that the
total deaths for England and Wales from all causes was only
506,790 in 2013

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/...-by-cause.html


michael adams

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 17/07/15 16:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:
2) Detergents in dishwashers wash away the germs along with the food
residues; it's what they do. Just like soap when you wash your hands.
You don't have to wash your hands in bleach or boiling water to remove
germs. Dishwasher detergents are probably sufficiently caustic to kill
the germs anyway, irrespective of temperature.

Well, quite. Some of the most powerful bugs around are in your gut. And
therefore on your hands etc after having a s**t. ;-)


Have they not invented bog paper round your way Dave?

Does that mean you don't wash your hands after having a ****?

You might be surprised just how far such bugs get scattered during that
operation. Onto your clothes and surrounding surfaces.


So you wash all your clothes and swab down the bathroom every
time as well then ?


michael adams

....

"David" wrote in message
...
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation to
add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C and
takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing germs
in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the water was
probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead 'ard and/or
wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a
dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between 40C
and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

I can't understand this modern idea of sterilizing everything, eat some
dirt, you'll feel better!

I'm not an expert, but i don't think germs can thrive without moisture, so
providing the plates / cuttlery are dried before use, anything that was left
on them has long since croaked.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:47:22 +0100, Phil L wrote:


"David" wrote in message
...
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation
to add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C
and takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing
germs in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the
water was probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead
'ard and/or wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a
dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between
40C and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

I can't understand this modern idea of sterilizing everything, eat some
dirt, you'll feel better!

My sister has always been obsessed with cleaning and sterilising things,
and keeping the kids from playing in the garden when it's raining,
and...and... The kids frequently had sniffles, bugs, etc.

My brother and his wife worked on the principle that a bit of dirt is
fine, skin in waterproof...a kind of 'benign neglect' philosophy. Kids
were always very healthy.

On Friday, 17 July 2015 13:31:41 UTC+1, wrote:

Well if you look at commercial dish washers they either add disinfectant to the washing process or wash at a high temperature. Personally I would say unless you have had something like raw chicken on the items to wash then the washing process really ought to be 'good enough'. After all hand washing takes place in a bowl full of lukewarm water (it soon cools to an ideal temperature for bugs to breed in). Hand washing also involves a bug infested dishcloth or sponge.

and is often insanitary


NT

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:47:22 +0100, Phil L wrote:


"David" wrote in message
...
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation
to add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C
and takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing
germs in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the
water was probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead
'ard and/or wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a
dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between
40C and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

I can't understand this modern idea of sterilizing everything, eat some
dirt, you'll feel better!

My sister has always been obsessed with cleaning and sterilising things,
and keeping the kids from playing in the garden when it's raining,
and...and... The kids frequently had sniffles, bugs, etc.

My brother and his wife worked on the principle that a bit of dirt is
fine, skin in waterproof...a kind of 'benign neglect' philosophy. Kids
were always very healthy.


We are essentially animals.
No other animals in the world sterilizes anything, I don't think any of them
clean their food much, maybe a quick dip in a puddle if it's caked in crap
and then straight down. You don't see them suffering with chronic diarhoea
though.
Their personal hygene leaves a lot to be desired but you rarely see any of
them with dandruff, acne, eczema or skin cancer from being in the sun,
strange that....although neither do they cover themselves and their food in
chemicals, which probably explains a lot.

On 17/07/15 20:05, Phil L wrote:

We are essentially animals.
No other animals in the world sterilizes anything, I don't think any of them
clean their food much, maybe a quick dip in a puddle if it's caked in crap
and then straight down. You don't see them suffering with chronic diarhoea
though.

Their personal hygene leaves a lot to be desired but you rarely see any of
them with dandruff, acne, eczema or skin cancer from being in the sun,

That's because they are dead and quickly became something else's food!

On Friday, 17 July 2015 20:02:31 UTC+1, Phil L wrote:
"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:47:22 +0100, Phil L wrote:


"David" wrote in message
...
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation
to add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C
and takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing
germs in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the
water was probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead
'ard and/or wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a
dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between
40C and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

I can't understand this modern idea of sterilizing everything, eat some
dirt, you'll feel better!

My sister has always been obsessed with cleaning and sterilising things,
and keeping the kids from playing in the garden when it's raining,
and...and... The kids frequently had sniffles, bugs, etc.

My brother and his wife worked on the principle that a bit of dirt is
fine, skin in waterproof...a kind of 'benign neglect' philosophy. Kids
were always very healthy.


We are essentially animals.
No other animals in the world sterilizes anything, I don't think any of them
clean their food much, maybe a quick dip in a puddle if it's caked in crap
and then straight down. You don't see them suffering with chronic diarhoea
though.

Animals that eat junk from the wild get dire rear a lot. If people eat like that they get very ill.

Their personal hygene leaves a lot to be desired but you rarely see any of
them with dandruff, acne, eczema or skin cancer from being in the sun,
strange that....

we pay a high price for the genetic mutation that gave us language

although neither do they cover themselves and their food in
chemicals, which probably explains a lot.

adding chemicals to food has saved a lot of lives.


NT

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 12:03:56 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

On Friday, 17 July 2015 13:31:41 UTC+1, wrote:

Well if you look at commercial dish washers they either add
disinfectant to the washing process or wash at a high temperature.
Personally I would say unless you have had something like raw chicken
on the items to wash then the washing process really ought to be 'good
enough'. After all hand washing takes place in a bowl full of lukewarm
water (it soon cools to an ideal temperature for bugs to breed in).


Hand washing also involves a bug infested dishcloth or sponge.

and is often insanitary

Wrong! By definition is *always* insanitary. :-)


--
Johnny B Good

"Huge" wrote in message
...
On 2015-07-17, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:


"Etaoin Shrdlu" wrote in message
. uk...
David wrote:
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C
to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Not sure if anyone else finds this, but in my experience, bath and
hand towels get a bit smelly if they're not washed at a fairly high
temperature. I assume it's because the grease isn't getting removed
properly.

I wash everything except filthy greasy overalls in cold
water and dont get any problem with any of it smelling.

What sort of detergent do you use?

This is Rod Speed you're responding to. For one thing, he doesn't do his
own laundry - his Mother does.

Bit hard given that she's been dead for more than 55 years now.

"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2015-07-17, wrote:

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Hand washing also involves a bug infested dishcloth or sponge.

Not in this house, it doesn't. We use a washing up brush,

I do too.

which goes in the dishwasher regularly & gets washed at 65degC.

I only do that when its particularly dirty from scrubbing
the unwashed potatoes before cooking them or when
its filthy because I have used it to get a frypan clean
when I have left the mess in the electric frypan after
cooking a curry instead of washing it out before it drys.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
On 17/07/15 16:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris Hogg wrote:
2) Detergents in dishwashers wash away the germs along with the food
residues; it's what they do. Just like soap when you wash your hands.
You don't have to wash your hands in bleach or boiling water to remove
germs. Dishwasher detergents are probably sufficiently caustic to kill
the germs anyway, irrespective of temperature.

Well, quite. Some of the most powerful bugs around are in your gut. And
therefore on your hands etc after having a s**t. ;-)


Have they not invented bog paper round your way Dave?

Does that mean you don't wash your hands after having a ****?

You might be surprised just how far such bugs get scattered during that
operation. Onto your clothes and surrounding surfaces. Enjoy your dinner.

My system is quite capable of handling the very small
numbers of those bugs that might end up on my hands
and clothes and surfaces.

wrote in message
...
On Friday, 17 July 2015 13:31:41 UTC+1, wrote:

Well if you look at commercial dish washers they either add disinfectant
to the washing process or wash at a high temperature. Personally I would
say unless you have had something like raw chicken on the items to wash
then the washing process really ought to be 'good enough'. After all hand
washing takes place in a bowl full of lukewarm water (it soon cools to an
ideal temperature for bugs to breed in). Hand washing also involves a bug
infested dishcloth or sponge.

and is often insanitary

And the immune system handles that fine.

"Phil L" wrote in message
...

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:47:22 +0100, Phil L wrote:


"David" wrote in message
...
The recommended wash these days for clothes is low temperature - 30C to
35C I think - and this is often quite a quick wash.

Concerns have been expressed, however, from time to time, over the low
temperature not killing bugs/germs/whatever. Sometimes a recommendation
to add a disinfectant to a wash from time to time.

So - my dishwasher has various options including a fast low temperature
35C wash. We are currently using the "daily" program which goes to 65C
and takes over two hours.

Killing germs on food items is probably more important thank killing
germs in your woolly jumper. However in the old hand wash days the
water was probably not much higher than 35-40C unless you were dead
'ard and/or wearing thick Marigolds.

So - what does the team think about low temperature washes in a
dishwasher?

I note that there is an "auto-sensing" program which washes at between
40C and 65C but I have no idea how it makes up its mind.

I can't understand this modern idea of sterilizing everything, eat some
dirt, you'll feel better!

My sister has always been obsessed with cleaning and sterilising things,
and keeping the kids from playing in the garden when it's raining,
and...and... The kids frequently had sniffles, bugs, etc.

My brother and his wife worked on the principle that a bit of dirt is
fine, skin in waterproof...a kind of 'benign neglect' philosophy. Kids
were always very healthy.


We are essentially animals.
No other animals in the world sterilizes anything, I don't think any of
them clean their food much, maybe a quick dip in a puddle if it's caked in
crap and then straight down. You don't see them suffering with chronic
diarhoea though.
Their personal hygene leaves a lot to be desired but you rarely see any of
them with dandruff, acne, eczema or skin cancer from being in the sun,

You do actually with that last with the lightly pigmented ears with
cats particularly.

And plenty of dogs get skin conditions too.

strange that....although neither do they cover themselves and their food
in chemicals, which probably explains a lot.

Unlikely on that last.