Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?

On 18/06/2015 20:02, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?

Did the e-fag just make you realise how pointless it all was?

My Mum smoked 20-40 a day from the age of 14 till she was 60, when she
simply said that she couldn't afford it now she'd retired. No
recidivism, no apparent craving. Maybe like her, you were never really
addicted, it was just habit and perhaps a little belligerence.

Mind you, she still died of lung cancer, which was very nasty.

Cheers
--
Syd

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?




much much too late for both of you ...

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she stopped smoking
it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of unopened
snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?

If you smoke and want to give up then anything is worth a try.

Presumably if there's no tar or any other harmful by-products
then they must be an improvement.

The range of flavours seems a bit confusing though.
"A wide variety of flavours are available, including cherry,
vanilla, strawberry, chocolate & blueberry etc"
I've seen a kiosk in a shopping centre with bottles
containing maybe hundreds of flavours.

I gave up 30 years ago and never miss Virginia, from
smelling it in other people's smoke. But I used to smoke
a lot of Turkish, Abdullahs, Balkan Sobranies,
and cheapies made by a small London firm called Morris.
Nothing to do with William Morris. Now all forgotten.
Except the Sobranie brand name on upmarket Virginia.
If they ever came out with a really authentic Turkish -
flavour - then I'd certainly be tempted to take it up
again.


michael adams

....

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?




much much too late for both of you ...


It's never too late to save money.

Unless of course, you nick all yours anyway.



michael adams

....

Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723


Have seem all the flavoured vaping stuff? There is no way that is aimed at
smokers trying to give up, it's all about getting kids addicted.

Tim

"Syd Rumpo" wrote in message
...
On 18/06/2015 20:02, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack
of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?

Did the e-fag just make you realise how pointless it all was?

Yes.


My Mum smoked 20-40 a day from the age of 14 till she was 60, when she
simply said that she couldn't afford it now she'd retired. No recidivism,
no apparent craving. Maybe like her, you were never really addicted, it
was just habit and perhaps a little belligerence.

Guess that I will never know.

Mind you, she still died of lung cancer, which was very nasty.

Yes.

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack
of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?




much much too late for both of you ...

**** off Jock troll.

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

Thank you Sir.
Btw, the plants in my garden have been a utter disaster this year.
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been taking the slash out of me :-(
We bought some bedding plants which up to now look okay.
Stupid garden .............. Doh!




And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack
of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723


Have seem all the flavoured vaping stuff? There is no way that is aimed at
smokers trying to give up, it's all about getting kids addicted.


Yeah right.
From 40 per day to zero per is one hell of a failure.

much much too late for both of you ...

**** off Jock troll.


enjoy suffocating to death ....

On 18/06/2015 20:37, Tim+ wrote:
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723


Have seem all the flavoured vaping stuff? There is no way that is aimed at
smokers trying to give up, it's all about getting kids addicted.

Tim

A lot of the flavoured stuff is nicotine free.

On 18/06/15 20:12, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 18/06/2015 20:02, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a
pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?

Did the e-fag just make you realise how pointless it all was?

My Mum smoked 20-40 a day from the age of 14 till she was 60, when she
simply said that she couldn't afford it now she'd retired. No
recidivism, no apparent craving. Maybe like her, you were never really
addicted, it was just habit and perhaps a little belligerence.

Mind you, she still died of lung cancer, which was very nasty.

Cheers

Don't under estimate the chemical addictiveness of nicotine.

I smoked for a few years (bad habit picked up in the JobCentre -
everyone smoked inside and out).

Anyway, gave it up for nicotine nose spray (potent hit that sh*t) then
later those little tabs you stick by your gums (not gum, gum is weak).

Then couldn't give that up - used to get very tired, grouchy and the rest.

Anyway, had my hernia op and they said "no food, limited water and no
sucking anything, not even those nicotine thingies - and no coffee".

Needless to say I had a massive headache by the time I saw the
anaesthetist but she fixed that by running the analgesic in before the
knockout juice.

I made a conscious decision that as I was going to feel ****e anyway, I
might as well do the cold turkey and that worked.

On 18/06/15 20:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723


Ah - the same welsh who mandated sprinkler systems in houses?

On 18/06/15 20:37, Tim+ wrote:

Have seem all the flavoured vaping stuff? There is no way that is aimed at
smokers trying to give up, it's all about getting kids addicted.

Yes - there are open stalls in the middle of the shopping centre with a
hipster dood flogging his wares.

Interestingly the fun police have started banning them indoors (trains,
some public places) with no clear reason given.

On 18/06/2015 20:02, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?



I bought one on Sunday. It's cut down my fag smoking by 75% and saved me
a fortune. Don't intend to give up the fags cos I enjoy them, but I
already feel better due to the lower levels of tar etc.

On 18/06/2015 20:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723

The problem is the rabid anti smoking and anti anything that gives you
pleasure fanatics.

Prediction; Booze will be the next on the list.

Puritan ****s.

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote in message
...
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDgFrVCkGxE

On 18/06/15 21:52, David Lang wrote:

Prediction; Booze will be the next on the list.

Puritan ****s.

My view too.

On 18/06/2015 20:02, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?




The Other Half works for the NHS in a geriatric ward - admission to the
ward is generally only for those 75 or older.

According to her they almost never have smokers on the ward... Latest
statistics is that 6 out of 10 of those don't even make it to retirement
age.

On 18/06/2015 20:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723

It seems a bit puzzling really, since both Cancer Research UK and ASH
disagree with the Welsh on this one, but which side of the argument you
take depends on your attitude to risk: CRUK and ASH see anything that
reduces tobacco smoke consumption as a good thing. The anti-e-cig side
want a clear demonstration that e-cigs are risk free before they will
condone them. Of course, that will never happen as they are bound to
prove harmful to some extent, in some way and even if they didn't, it
would take many years to prove.
Since Mr P's experience here is by no means unusual, they seem to be
able to play a useful role in helping people to quit smoking, although
that, too, will take years to prove.

"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote:
"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack
of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723


Have seem all the flavoured vaping stuff? There is no way that is aimed at
smokers trying to give up, it's all about getting kids addicted.


Yeah right.
From 40 per day to zero per is one hell of a failure.

It's fine for those genuinely trying to stop but has it cured your nicotine
addiction? Just look at the flavours and packaging of the stuff on sale now
and tell me you think that they're not trying to hook kids in.

Tim

On 18/06/2015 21:46, Tim Watts wrote:
On 18/06/15 20:12, Syd Rumpo wrote:
On 18/06/2015 20:02, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a
pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?

Did the e-fag just make you realise how pointless it all was?

My Mum smoked 20-40 a day from the age of 14 till she was 60, when she
simply said that she couldn't afford it now she'd retired. No
recidivism, no apparent craving. Maybe like her, you were never really
addicted, it was just habit and perhaps a little belligerence.

Mind you, she still died of lung cancer, which was very nasty.

Cheers

Don't under estimate the chemical addictiveness of nicotine.


Indeed. I gave up the cigs (roll ups) in 2008 and I'm still on lozenges.
Not many - I get through a couple of 2mg a day, broken into 4. So
probably not that high a dose, and the stuff the nicotine is suspended
in is probably more harmful ;-)

--
Cheers, Rob

"Tim+" wrote in message
...

It's fine for those genuinely trying to stop but has it cured your nicotine
addiction? Just look at the flavours and packaging of the stuff on sale now
and tell me you think that they're not trying to hook kids in.

But the fact that you can get these things with varying grades of nicotine,
including none at, all opens up all sorts of possibilities.

The assumption seems to be that people only ever smoked
at all before, because they were addicted to nicotine. But if that
were the case then presumably everyone would be happy smoking
just any old rubbish - as admittedlt some of the king size virginia
filters undoubtedly were/are. To some people at least.

But maybe some people just like smoking for the sensation
of breathing in flavoured smoke.

But because nicotine has always been present in tobacco
its been impossible, up to now, to isolate the two components.

Maybe breathing in nicotine free strawberry or chocolate flavoured
vapour may be a pleasurable experience in itself.

Which isn't to say that it isn't an advantage to be selling something
which contains an addictive substance like nicotine to anyone.

However if that were the only motivation, then with so many
players in the market, and with relatively low start up costs,
none of them could be sure that in fanning that addiction
they weren't simply increasing the market for their
competitors. And so to maintain market share all the players
would either need to engage in price cutting, or as in the case
of illegal drugs resort to shootouts in the streets.


michael adams

....












Tim

On 18/06/2015 22:19, Tim Watts wrote:
On 18/06/15 21:52, David Lang wrote:

Prediction; Booze will be the next on the list.

Puritan ****s.

My view too.

waves +1

On 18/06/2015 23:43, JoeJoe wrote:
On 18/06/2015 20:02, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a
pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?




The Other Half works for the NHS in a geriatric ward - admission to the
ward is generally only for those 75 or older.

According to her they almost never have smokers on the ward... Latest
statistics is that 6 out of 10 of those don't even make it to retirement
age.

I gave up the roll-ups 5 years ago because it was becoming just such a
faff standing in doorways in the rain like some bloody vagrant.
Can't grip a pint glass without craving a fag though, so pretty much
stopped doing that too. Can't say I feel any better for it.
Non-smokers don't live longer, it just seems that way (Ronnie Scott joke
IIRC)

Mr Pounder Esquire used his keyboard to write :
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?

I gave up my 30/40 a day 'habit' using an E-ciggy 10 months ago. It was
as easy as falling of a log. I swapped my 30/40 a day, to the
equivalent of around 10 vaped per day. From that I deduced that rather
than being adicted, it was nothing more than a smoking habit. It was my
first attempt to give up in 50 years of smoking.

Since then, I have persueded another 10 to give it a go and all arrived
at the same conclusion - it was an habit, nothing more. I also advised
the use of something a bit more upmarked than the petrol stations and
supermarkets sell.

My vaping habit now costs me around 3p per day. I also derive much more
enjoyment from it, than I ever did from smoking.

I've always been pretty fit and healthy, no issues at all and I have
not noticed any difference since giving up. What I have noticed is that
minor scrapes and long standing minor problems clear up and clear up
now faster - which is suggested to be a result of the increased oxygen
in the blood.

A really bad heel blister repaired itself in 3 days last week. A
prominent large age spot I have had for many years and becoming more
prominent on my forehead, suddenly disappeared in the past month.
Patches of long standing rough skin, cleare up in the past month.

So stopping has certainly been noticed by my body.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

Tim+ laid this down on his screen :
It's fine for those genuinely trying to stop but has it cured your nicotine
addiction? Just look at the flavours and packaging of the stuff on sale now
and tell me you think that they're not trying to hook kids in.

Might be best to read the researched statistics on kids taking up
vaping, or even adults, before spouting such rubbish.

Vaping is even less attractive than smoking ever was to kids.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On Friday, 19 June 2015 09:54:48 UTC+1, michael adams wrote:
Maybe breathing in nicotine free strawberry or chocolate flavoured
vapour may be a pleasurable experience in itself.

Also calorie-free?

I wonder if the same approach would work with fat people.

Owain

In article ,
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years. Three months
ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she stopped
smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull**** me. She
gave the e-fag to me. I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and
I LIKED it. I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one.
There is a pack of unopened snouts in the house. Shirley this must be
worth a try?

I've been using a 'vape' device for about 3 years now. Still addicted to
nicotine - but saving a fortune over fags.

--
*Life is hard; then you nap

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
michael adams wrote:
Presumably if there's no tar or any other harmful by-products
then they must be an improvement.

There is, but they still cause a degree of irritation to the throat, etc.
Too soon to know about long term effects. But hopefully less harmful than
smoking tobacco.

The range of flavours seems a bit confusing though.
"A wide variety of flavours are available, including cherry,
vanilla, strawberry, chocolate & blueberry etc"
I've seen a kiosk in a shopping centre with bottles
containing maybe hundreds of flavours.

Although I smoked ordinary fags (Silk Cut) I've settled on menthol to
vape. Not tried every flavour though. Just none at first then tobacco
flavour. Pal was using menthol and I liked it, so have stuck to that.

--
*How does Moses make his tea? Hebrews it.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
David Lang wrote:
The problem is the rabid anti smoking and anti anything that gives you
pleasure fanatics.

Prediction; Booze will be the next on the list.

Puritan ****s.

Quite.

I've never quite understood politicians being so down on 'illegal' drugs
given so many of them seem to drink too much - and alcohol is just as
dangerous a drug as most.

If we were starting with a clean sheet, alcohol would be an illegal drug.

--
*Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article
,
Tim+ wrote:
It's fine for those genuinely trying to stop but has it cured your
nicotine addiction?

'Vaping' can simply replace the way the body gets the nicotine hit. Same
as patches or pills. You can get different strengths of liquid - and
devices which deliver a different level of nicotine per puff. If you do
want to stop more easily, you'd gradually reduce the dose. As you'd do
with patches. Same as trying to control drinking, but perhaps more
successful.


Just look at the flavours and packaging of the stuff
on sale now and tell me you think that they're not trying to hook kids
in.

But you can buy nicotine free flavours.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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GMM laid this down on his screen :
Since Mr P's experience here is by no means unusual, they seem to be able to
play a useful role in helping people to quit smoking, although that, too,
will take years to prove.

There is absolutely no doubt vaping has helped millions to give up
smoking, it is no longer in doubt - if that is what you meant?

The only thing in doubt is how harmful vaping might be and so far all
of the open minded genuine research suggests it is at worst, hundreds
to thousands of times safer than smoking - if there is any risk at all.

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Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On Thursday, 18 June 2015 21:01:14 UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack
of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723


Have seem all the flavoured vaping stuff? There is no way that is aimed at
smokers trying to give up, it's all about getting kids addicted.


Yeah right.
From 40 per day to zero per is one hell of a failure.

I do find it strange that there's so many flavours that aren't typical smoke flavours. Why aren;t there silk cut, marlbourough, players, and all the other cigs that people buy offered as flavours.
I wonder if haagen dazs will come out with tobacco falvour.

David Lang explained on 6/18/2015 :
I bought one on Sunday. It's cut down my fag smoking by 75% and saved me a
fortune. Don't intend to give up the fags cos I enjoy them, but I already
feel better due to the lower levels of tar etc.

I bought one of the slightly up market ones, to half heartedly give it
a go, never having even tried to stop in 50 years. I dual fueled for a
few weeks, down to maybe 20% of my usual consumption. The vaping then
just took over completely, no will power no effort - it just took over
as being much cheaper and more pleasant generally.

Not had a ciggy in 10 months now and consuming 3p's worth of liquid per
day.

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Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
"Mr Pounder Esquire" wrote:
"Tim+" wrote in message
...
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks
she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a
pack
of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

And the Welsh are going to discourage their use by banning them in
public places, on the grounds that they encourage young people to take
up smoking. How stupid is that!
http://tinyurl.com/p3z4723


Have seem all the flavoured vaping stuff? There is no way that is aimed
at
smokers trying to give up, it's all about getting kids addicted.


Yeah right.
From 40 per day to zero per is one hell of a failure.

It's fine for those genuinely trying to stop but has it cured your
nicotine
addiction? Just look at the flavours and packaging of the stuff on sale
now
and tell me you think that they're not trying to hook kids in.

I feel better, I can taste my food better, my sense of smell has improved, I
do not stink of fags, my clothes do not stink of fags the list goes on.
I do not care who they hook in.

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:58:05 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:


"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:02:39 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Mrs Pounder Esquire has been smoking snouts for 53 years.
Three months ago she got one of those e-fag things. After two weeks she
stopped smoking it, she no longer needs a snout and would not bull****
me.
She gave the e-fag to me.
I have been a very heavy smoker for 45 years, and I LIKED it.
I've not had a snout for six weeks and do not want one. There is a pack
of
unopened snouts in the house.
Shirley this must be worth a try?


Well done, sir!

Thank you Sir.
Btw, the plants in my garden have been a utter disaster this year.
Mrs Pounder Esquire has been taking the slash out of me :-(
We bought some bedding plants which up to now look okay.
Stupid garden .............. Doh!


Sorry to hear about the garden. It's been very dry; lots of people are
commenting.

I'm giving up with bulbs. In the future I'll just buy bedding plants, easy
way out.

In article ,
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
David Lang explained on 6/18/2015 :
I bought one on Sunday. It's cut down my fag smoking by 75% and saved
me a fortune. Don't intend to give up the fags cos I enjoy them, but
I already feel better due to the lower levels of tar etc.

I bought one of the slightly up market ones, to half heartedly give it
a go, never having even tried to stop in 50 years. I dual fueled for a
few weeks, down to maybe 20% of my usual consumption.

I stopped smoking fags immediately after getting the vaping device. But
it's not just a cheap electronic fag. I still have a couple of new packs
of fags in a drawer. ;-)


The vaping then
just took over completely, no will power no effort - it just took over
as being much cheaper and more pleasant generally.

Not had a ciggy in 10 months now and consuming 3p's worth of liquid per
day.

Ah - that's pretty moderate use. I spend about £20 a month on liquid.

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*Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now *

Dave Plowman London SW
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On 19/06/2015 12:11, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
GMM laid this down on his screen :
Since Mr P's experience here is by no means unusual, they seem to be
able to play a useful role in helping people to quit smoking, although
that, too, will take years to prove.

There is absolutely no doubt vaping has helped millions to give up
smoking, it is no longer in doubt - if that is what you meant?

Not really, Harry: Just because to any reasonable person the efficacy
of e-cigs seems a no-brainer, it's not a formal proof. You might ask
why anyone needs a formal proof (good question!). Well until then, it
won't be possible to promote e-cigs as a route to cessation (/harm
reduction), despite it being blindingly obvious that it is, without
legal challenges by the vested interests (tobacco companies, makers of
alternative nicotine replacement products etc), not to mention the
puritan lobby.

The only thing in doubt is how harmful vaping might be and so far all of
the open minded genuine research suggests it is at worst, hundreds to
thousands of times safer than smoking - if there is any risk at all.

Intuitively, it would be hard to imagine vaping being anywhere near as
harmful as smoking. Of course, it's probably only a matter of time
before someone brews up a nicotine liquid containing something
mega-toxic and queers the pitch. It will, of necessity, be many years
before the long-term effects of e-cigs can be evaluated and until then
there will always be someone trying to tell you that it must be bad
because the absolute level of risk is unknown.

I doubt the harm is significant, compared with alcohol, aspirin and
crossing the road (and a thousand other things in life).

I think it should be positively promoted in pubs[1]: The smoking ban
has been a significant factor in the high level of pub closures in
recent years. By promoting vaping, pubs could bring in custom to help
their viability and encourage people to quit the fags at the same time,
restoring a valued national institution and doing significant good for
public health.

[1] I'm sure it's already the case in some, but none that I've been in
around here