In article om,
dennis@home wrote:
The decline started long before the smoking ban, continued when there were
no smoking areas, and onwards when it was banned completely.


The decline accelerated because people didn't want the smoke when they
started to wake up to how stupid it is to smoke.

The pubs didn't adapt, they went bust quicker.

By the time the ban came in there was a higher percentage of smokers
than before us none smokers left to go elsewhere so the ban may have had
more effect but there isn't much evidence as the pubs were closing
anyway.

How many times a week did you visit a pub 20 years ago, dennis?
How many times a week do you visit a pub now?

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On 22/06/2015 16:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article om,
dennis@home wrote:
The decline started long before the smoking ban, continued when there were
no smoking areas, and onwards when it was banned completely.


The decline accelerated because people didn't want the smoke when they
started to wake up to how stupid it is to smoke.

The pubs didn't adapt, they went bust quicker.

By the time the ban came in there was a higher percentage of smokers
than before us none smokers left to go elsewhere so the ban may have had
more effect but there isn't much evidence as the pubs were closing
anyway.

How many times a week did you visit a pub 20 years ago, dennis?
How many times a week do you visit a pub now?

35 years ago daily.
30 years ago about 3 times a week.
20 years ago never
now never, no I stand corrected I went to an after funeral buffet in a
pub three years ago.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Maybe. But doesn't explain it in towns.

It does actually. There just aren't enough people who still
want to drink in pubs within walking distance of most pubs.

And the rot had set in before the
smoking ban round here.

Yes, because of the crackdown on drink driving.

You've now got round to disagreeing with yourself in the same post.

Like hell I did. Those two comments are saying exactly the same thing.

The reason the pubs need to be within walking distance IS
BECAUSE OF THE CRACKDOWN ON DRINK DRIVING, ****wit.

I do realise being a colonial you will not have any idea what history is,
but round here all the pubs and most of the houses were built long before
driving everywhere became the norm - and indeed before the motor car was
invented...

ride your horse to the pub - but don't let him drink/

On 22/06/2015 11:26, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
No. The non smoking mafia have at least as much responsibility. Saying
the reason they didn't use a local was because of the smoke. But when
it was banned, still didn't use it.


But there are many pubs still packed out

Given there are fewer, it's hardly surprising remaining ones are doing
reasonably well. Otherwise they'd have closed too...

No, the point is that many pubs are packed but in the same general area
you will still find empty pubs waiting to fail. It's not the case that
number of customers exceed the capacity of the pubs. Well run pubs
survive, badly run pubs tend to die.


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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Maybe. But doesn't explain it in towns.

It does actually. There just aren't enough people who still
want to drink in pubs within walking distance of most pubs.

And the rot had set in before the
smoking ban round here.

Yes, because of the crackdown on drink driving.

You've now got round to disagreeing with yourself in the same post.

Like hell I did. Those two comments are saying exactly the same thing.

The reason the pubs need to be within walking distance IS
BECAUSE OF THE CRACKDOWN ON DRINK DRIVING, ****wit.

I do realise being a colonial you will not have any idea what
history is, but round here all the pubs and most of the houses
were built long before driving everywhere became the norm
- and indeed before the motor car was invented...

Irrelevant to how many of them are still pubs and are
still within walking distance of where people now live.

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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

There is nothing undrinkable about pure ethanol.

Only a desperate alcoholic would drink pure ethanol.

Bull****. That is all vodka is with water added.

Then it's not pure ethanol, you wally.

There is no such thing as drinkable pure
ethanol, you mindlessly nit picking ****wit.

But, dear Wodney, there is, according to you.

Wrong, as always. I assumed even a terminal ****wit
such as yourself would actually understand that the purest
alcohol you can get contains quite a bit of water, ****wit.

Only a total fool like you would use pure without knowing what it means.

I've always know that it means and assumed that even a
terminal ****wit such as yourself would realise that there
is no such animal as pure ethanol available for drinking.
ALL of it has some water in it.

michael adams wrote
Rod Speed wrote
michael adams wrote

A poster called Rod Speed was advising people to re-format their HD's as
a solution to just about every problem long before that was even
written.

You're lying thru your teeth, ****wit child.

That's interesting.

Nope.

So you've actually checked through the archives to be certain that nobody
called "Rod Speed"
ever posted such advice ?

Don’t need to, I know what some silly children have done.

No one ever did that 'as a solution to just about every problem'

And why are you swearing so much, all of a sudden ?

I call a spade a spade and lying ****wit children lying ****wit children.

You get to like that or lump it or stop lying, ****wit child.

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes

pubs

The decline started long before the smoking ban, continued when there were
no smoking areas, and onwards when it was banned completely.

There must be so many contributory factors to the general decline in the
number of pubs. The average age here is probably around 60? Most of us
will have started visiting pubs regularly 40+ years ago. Remember what
they were really like? Yes, there were some good 'uns, but a lot that
were not. Often run by a landlady who had been there years, probably
not running at a loss, but could hardly have been making a profit. That
generation of publican is long gone, together with that generation of
customer. Older men, couple of pints, game of dominoes or crib. Most
pubs had a pack of cards and crib board behind the counter.

Yes, pubs suffered from the drink/drive laws then, later, the smoking
laws, but there is far more to it than that. Most pubs had an off
licence, which was useful, but now redundant with longer shop hours.

Pubs tried to fight back, introducing food. At one time food was a
cheese roll (lunchtime only) or packet of crisps, then chicken or scampi
in a basket arrived, from which the whole business mushroomed (ha ha).
From that sprang Harvester and all the other family friendly pubs.
Suddenly eating out, usually at a pub, became the in thing. Pubs
started to add dining rooms or restaurants. Long gone were the public
bar, saloon bar and snug. Now, full circle. Many are restaurants with
a bar.

40 years ago, real ale was almost extinct. Now, probably thanks to
CAMRA, few pubs don't serve real ale. A Double Diamond works wonders.

Perhaps the biggest change, though, is socialising. 40 years ago, if I
didn't go to the pub, I didn't socialise. No need to make arrangements
- if I went to the pub, I knew I would meet a friend or three. Now,
kids spend their lives socialising without leaving home. No need to go
to the pub. I do find that sad - socialising via computer can never
equal socialising face to face with a pint in hand.

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:25:09 +0100, News wrote:

There must be so many contributory factors to the general decline in the
number of pubs. The average age here is probably around 60?

I don't think it's that high, nearer 50?

Older men, couple of pints, game of dominoes or crib. Most pubs had a
pack of cards and crib board behind the counter.

The good 'ole "local", no TV, no loud musak, just a group of people
who know each other, perhaps not everyone very well but known to each
other. Gathered together in a ad hoc way for conversation, gossip and
maybe a game, darts, crib, cards, shove ha'penny.

When we moved up here, before the smoking ban, we didn't go to pub
because of the horrendous stench of smoke you'd come back with.
Putting all your clothes into the washing machine and having a shower
at 2300+ after being down the pub is not my idea of a fun way to end
the evening.

Having not got into the habit of going to the pub, young family and
working most Saturdays for 9 months of the year we just don't go. The
pub has opened and closed a couple of times over the last 10 years.
It's just re-opened again, this Thursday is a Quiz night, the family
are older, there is no smoke, no real reason not to support the
place, apart from the cost. How much is a pint these days in yer
average local type pub, £2.00, £3.00?

Now, kids spend their lives socialising without leaving home. No need
to go to the pub. I do find that sad - socialising via computer can
never equal socialising face to face with a pint in hand.

Quite agree, but it doesn't have to be a pint.

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In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:25:09 +0100, News wrote:

There must be so many contributory factors to the general decline in the
number of pubs. The average age here is probably around 60?

I don't think it's that high, nearer 50?

Older men, couple of pints, game of dominoes or crib. Most pubs had a
pack of cards and crib board behind the counter.

The good 'ole "local", no TV, no loud musak, just a group of people
who know each other, perhaps not everyone very well but known to each
other. Gathered together in a ad hoc way for conversation, gossip and
maybe a game, darts, crib, cards, shove ha'penny.

When we moved up here, before the smoking ban, we didn't go to pub
because of the horrendous stench of smoke you'd come back with.
Putting all your clothes into the washing machine and having a shower
at 2300+ after being down the pub is not my idea of a fun way to end
the evening.

Having not got into the habit of going to the pub, young family and
working most Saturdays for 9 months of the year we just don't go. The
pub has opened and closed a couple of times over the last 10 years.
It's just re-opened again, this Thursday is a Quiz night, the family
are older, there is no smoke, no real reason not to support the
place, apart from the cost. How much is a pint these days in yer
average local type pub, £2.00, £3.00?

nearer £4 round here.

In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:25:09 +0100, News wrote:

There must be so many contributory factors to the general decline in the
number of pubs. The average age here is probably around 60?

I don't think it's that high, nearer 50?

Interesting. Show of hands? I always think of ARW as the 'young' end
of uk.d-i-y :-)

When we moved up here, before the smoking ban, we didn't go to pub
because of the horrendous stench of smoke you'd come back with.
Putting all your clothes into the washing machine and having a shower
at 2300+ after being down the pub is not my idea of a fun way to end
the evening.

That is true now, but was much less of a problem 30, 40 or more years
ago purely because almost all regulars in a pub would be smokers. OK,
very broad generalisation, but when I was a regular pub visitor, few of
the patrons were non smokers, or, at least, the smokers far outnumbered
the non smokers.

I suppose I'm thinking out loud, really. Reflecting. So much has
changed. Then, we, as lads, were too old for youth clubs, and the pub
was the only real alternative. Perhaps there are more choices today?
Couple that with supermarkets offering cheap booze and longer hours,
drink driving laws, anti smoking laws, social media, general urban
redevelopment, and a lot has changed.
--
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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
I do realise being a colonial you will not have any idea what
history is, but round here all the pubs and most of the houses
were built long before driving everywhere became the norm
- and indeed before the motor car was invented...

Irrelevant to how many of them are still pubs and are
still within walking distance of where people now live.

You still don't have a clue about UK urban living. Many older town pubs
don't even have car parks. So you might spend longer looking for somewhere
to park than to just walk there.

I had three local pubs once all within easy walking distance. Only one
left.

It's got pretty well nothing to do with smoking or driving.

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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Only a total fool like you would use pure without knowing what it
means.

I've always know that it means and assumed that even a
terminal ****wit such as yourself would realise that there
is no such animal as pure ethanol available for drinking.
ALL of it has some water in it.

Only a desperate alcoholic would even think of drinking your 'pure'
ethanol only. Probably why you claim to know about it.

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There is no such thing as drinkable pure
ethanol, you mindlessly nit picking ****wit.


Isn't it supposed to be all one word, "nitpicking",
(English), or "nit-picking" with a hyphen (US) ?

I've never given a flying red **** what anything is supposed to be.

And you've never been particularly noted for your sense of humour either,
by the looks of things.

You wouldn’t know what sense of humour was
if one bit you on your lard arse, ****wit child.

Like I have always said, all Australians are just plain stupid
****s.............................. been to their ******** and seen them.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote:

I do realise being a colonial you will not have any idea what
history is, but round here all the pubs and most of the houses
were built long before driving everywhere became the norm
- and indeed before the motor car was invented...

Irrelevant to how many of them are still pubs and are
still within walking distance of where people now live.

You still don't have a clue about UK urban living.

We'll see...

Many older town pubs don't even have car parks.

The pub itself doesn’t need to have a car park, what matters is
if there is parking available at the time the pub is used, stupid.

So you might spend longer looking for
somewhere to park than to just walk there.

Bet Adam hardly ever walks to the pubs he uses
and he appears to use pubs more than most do.

I had three local pubs once all within
easy walking distance. Only one left.

And that is another reason why pub traffic is dying,
because far fewer have a pub they can walk to now
and the crack down on drink driving means that if
you can't walk to the pub, it makes more sense to
spend a lot less on the grog and drink at home where
you don’t have to worry about being over the limit.

It's got pretty well nothing to do with smoking or driving.

Wrong as always with the driving.

And if you don’t believe that the driving is relevant,
you might care to explain what has seen the traffic
in pubs drop so dramatically over time.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Only a total fool like you would use
pure without knowing what it means.

I've always know that it means and assumed that even a
terminal ****wit such as yourself would realise that there
is no such animal as pure ethanol available for drinking.
ALL of it has some water in it.

Only a desperate alcoholic would even think
of drinking your 'pure' ethanol only.

No one ever said they did. They obviously add at least more water.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Only a total fool like you would use
pure without knowing what it means.

I've always know that it means and assumed that even a
terminal ****wit such as yourself would realise that there
is no such animal as pure ethanol available for drinking.
ALL of it has some water in it.

Only a desperate alcoholic would even think
of drinking your 'pure' ethanol only.

No one ever said they did. They obviously add at least more water.

Only a desperate alcoholic would drink 'pure' ethanol and water.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Only a total fool like you would use
pure without knowing what it means.

I've always know that it means and assumed that even a
terminal ****wit such as yourself would realise that there
is no such animal as pure ethanol available for drinking.
ALL of it has some water in it.

Only a desperate alcoholic would even think
of drinking your 'pure' ethanol only.

No one ever said they did. They obviously add at least more water.

Only a desperate alcoholic would drink 'pure' ethanol and water.

That is essentially what vodka and gin are so you are just plain wrong, as
always.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 7:53:06 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
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There is no such thing as drinkable pure
ethanol, you mindlessly nit picking ****wit.


Isn't it supposed to be all one word, "nitpicking",
(English), or "nit-picking" with a hyphen (US) ?

I've never given a flying red **** what anything is supposed to be.

And you've never been particularly noted for your sense of humour either,
by the looks of things.

You wouldn't know what sense of humour was
if one bit you on your lard arse, ****wit child.

Like I have always said, all Australians are just plain stupid
****s.............................. been to their ******** and seen them.







+1

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Only a desperate alcoholic would drink 'pure' ethanol and water.

That is essentially what vodka and gin are so you are just plain wrong,
as always.

Only a desperate alcoholic can't tell the difference between vodka and gin.

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In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Only a desperate alcoholic would drink 'pure' ethanol and water.

That is essentially what vodka and gin are so you are just plain wrong,
as always.

Only a desperate alcoholic can't tell the difference between vodka and
gin.

Telling the difference is an entirely separate matter to
whether they are trivially different to just ethanol and water.

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Only a desperate alcoholic would drink 'pure' ethanol and water.

That is essentially what vodka and gin are so you are just plain
wrong, as always.

Only a desperate alcoholic can't tell the difference between vodka and
gin.

Telling the difference is an entirely separate matter to
whether they are trivially different to just ethanol and water.

Only a total alcoholic makes up his own definition of 'trivial' in this
context.

A casual drinker wouldn't dream of drinking neat raw crude spirits.

A discerning drinker would go on and on about the subtle differences.

Which leaves just...

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On Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:06:43 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote


Many older town pubs don't even have car parks.

The pub itself doesn't need to have a car park, what matters is
if there is parking available at the time the pub is used, stupid.

Of course stupid, cars park in things called car parks when there's
no where else they are allowed to park.
Why would pubs have car parks paying for their upkeep etc.. if they weren't needed.



I had three local pubs once all within
easy walking distance. Only one left.

And that is another reason why pub traffic is dying,
because far fewer have a pub they can walk to now
and the crack down on drink driving means that if
you can't walk to the pub, it makes more sense to
spend a lot less on the grog and drink at home where
you don't have to worry about being over the limit.

Yep some even make their own alcohol so they don't have top walk to the shops to buy it, it saves money too, and yuo arebn;t stung for by the tax either.


It's got pretty well nothing to do with smoking or driving.

Wrong as always with the driving.

And if you don't believe that the driving is relevant,
you might care to explain what has seen the traffic
in pubs drop so dramatically over time.

traffic in pubs is this some sort of 'drive thru' bar I've not heard about.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
The pub itself doesn't need to have a car park, what matters is
if there is parking available at the time the pub is used, stupid.

Of course stupid, cars park in things called car parks when there's no
where else they are allowed to park. Why would pubs have car parks
paying for their upkeep etc.. if they weren't needed.

You have to remember that Wodney lives in a one horse town. Where the
entire population comes out to see the annual visit of a car. If they're
not too drunk through drinking the local 'pure' ethanol he so loves.

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On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 14:00:43 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
The pub itself doesn't need to have a car park, what matters is
if there is parking available at the time the pub is used, stupid.

Of course stupid, cars park in things called car parks when there's no
where else they are allowed to park. Why would pubs have car parks
paying for their upkeep etc.. if they weren't needed.

You have to remember that Wodney lives in a one horse town.

Ah right, do they have to share the same sheep too. I've heard there's littel differnce between the sheep and the humans in Aus land.

Where the
entire population comes out to see the annual visit of a car. If they're
not too drunk through drinking the local 'pure' ethanol he so loves.

I like the differnt tastes of alcohol otherwise they'd be no point
in drinking them other than garlic beer, gin si one of teh few drinks I don;t like.

On 24/06/2015 10:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Only a desperate alcoholic would drink 'pure' ethanol and water.

That is essentially what vodka and gin are so you are just plain wrong,
as always.

Only a desperate alcoholic can't tell the difference between vodka and gin.


I can't, never tried vodka.

In article om,
dennis@home wrote:
On 24/06/2015 10:53, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Only a desperate alcoholic would drink 'pure' ethanol and water.

That is essentially what vodka and gin are so you are just plain
wrong, as always.

Only a desperate alcoholic can't tell the difference between vodka and
gin.


I can't, never tried vodka.

I had to. At a Polish wedding. High strength stuff. Had to be drunk
straight down. Felt like drinking paint stripper. I assume.

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whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Many older town pubs don't even have car parks.

The pub itself doesn't need to have a car park, what matters is
if there is parking available at the time the pub is used, stupid.

Of course stupid, cars park in things called car parks
when there's no where else they are allowed to park.

You quite sure you aren't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wits ?

Why would pubs have car parks paying for
their upkeep etc.. if they weren't needed.

Plenty don't need to.

I had three local pubs once all within
easy walking distance. Only one left.

And that is another reason why pub traffic is dying,
because far fewer have a pub they can walk to now
and the crack down on drink driving means that if
you can't walk to the pub, it makes more sense to
spend a lot less on the grog and drink at home where
you don't have to worry about being over the limit.

Yep some even make their own alcohol so they don't
have top walk to the shops to buy it, it saves money
too, and yuo arebn;t stung for by the tax either.

And you get a better result than you can buy too.

It's got pretty well nothing to do with smoking or driving.

Wrong as always with the driving.

And if you don't believe that the driving is relevant,
you might care to explain what has seen the traffic
in pubs drop so dramatically over time.

traffic in pubs is this some sort of
'drive thru' bar I've not heard about.

You'll end up completely blind if you don't watch out, boy.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:
Only a desperate alcoholic would drink 'pure' ethanol and water.

That is essentially what vodka and gin are so you are just plain
wrong, as always.

Only a desperate alcoholic can't tell the difference between vodka and
gin.

Telling the difference is an entirely separate matter to
whether they are trivially different to just ethanol and water.

A casual drinker wouldn't dream of drinking neat raw crude spirits.

Nothing crude about ethanol, stupid.

On Wednesday, 24 June 2015 22:29:00 UTC+1, Rod Speed wrote:
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Many older town pubs don't even have car parks.

The pub itself doesn't need to have a car park, what matters is
if there is parking available at the time the pub is used, stupid.

Of course stupid, cars park in things called car parks
when there's no where else they are allowed to park.

You quite sure you aren't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wits ?

I've no idea what they are.
Unlike you if I don;t know about something I don't claim to be an expert on it.

Why would pubs have car parks paying for
their upkeep etc.. if they weren't needed.

Plenty don't need to.

Maybe that's why they don't have them, but doesn't explain why some pubs have them. My local aquarium place shut down for similar reasons, when they made the road a bus lane no one could park near his shop even the delivery drivers had problems, so he sold up in the end. My local has a car park, seems a waste of time parking a car there when you could be driving past.




I had three local pubs once all within
easy walking distance. Only one left.

And that is another reason why pub traffic is dying,
because far fewer have a pub they can walk to now
and the crack down on drink driving means that if
you can't walk to the pub, it makes more sense to
spend a lot less on the grog and drink at home where
you don't have to worry about being over the limit.

Yep some even make their own alcohol so they don't
have top walk to the shops to buy it, it saves money
too, and yuo arebn;t stung for by the tax either.

And you get a better result than you can buy too.
'can' perhaps but unlikely too, but it does depend on what you mean by a better result.
Perhaps ethanol is better for drunks and alcees that dont; care what they drink.



It's got pretty well nothing to do with smoking or driving.

Wrong as always with the driving.

And if you don't believe that the driving is relevant,
you might care to explain what has seen the traffic
in pubs drop so dramatically over time.

traffic in pubs is this some sort of
'drive thru' bar I've not heard about.

You'll end up completely blind if you don't watch out, boy.

I wouldn't drink the dodgey **** you do.

whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
whisky-dave wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Many older town pubs don't even have car parks.

The pub itself doesn't need to have a car park, what matters is
if there is parking available at the time the pub is used, stupid.

Of course stupid, cars park in things called car parks
when there's no where else they are allowed to park.

You quite sure you aren't one of those rocket scientist terminal ****wits
?

I've no idea what they are.

Look in the mirror.

Why would pubs have car parks paying for
their upkeep etc.. if they weren't needed.

Plenty don't need to.

Maybe that's why they don't have them, but
doesn't explain why some pubs have them.

Wrong, as always.

My local aquarium place shut down for similar reasons,

Nope.

when they made the road a bus lane no one could park near
his shop even the delivery drivers had problems, so he sold
up in the end. My local has a car park, seems a waste of time
parking a car there when you could be driving past.

Your problem, as always.

I had three local pubs once all within
easy walking distance. Only one left.

And that is another reason why pub traffic is dying,
because far fewer have a pub they can walk to now
and the crack down on drink driving means that if
you can't walk to the pub, it makes more sense to
spend a lot less on the grog and drink at home where
you don't have to worry about being over the limit.

Yep some even make their own alcohol so they don't
have top walk to the shops to buy it, it saves money
too, and yuo arebn;t stung for by the tax either.

And you get a better result than you can buy too.

'can' perhaps

No perhaps about it.

but unlikely too,

Wrong, as always.

but it does depend on what you mean by a better result.

Nope.

It's got pretty well nothing to do with smoking or driving.

Wrong as always with the driving.

And if you don't believe that the driving is relevant,
you might care to explain what has seen the traffic
in pubs drop so dramatically over time.

traffic in pubs is this some sort of
'drive thru' bar I've not heard about.

You'll end up completely blind if you don't watch out, boy.

I wouldn't drink the dodgey **** you do.

You clearly drink much more dodgy **** than I do.