"Nick" wrote in message
...

"Rusty" wrote in message
...
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.
More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or (b) a
problem with the drainage.

+1
Insufficient/zero fall in the drain.

I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.

"Rusty" wrote in message
...
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.
More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or (b) a
problem with the drainage.

"Nick" wrote:
"Rusty" wrote in message
...
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.
More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or (b) a
problem with the drainage.

I would have thought that dishwasher detergent would be most unlikely to
congeal. As Nick says, most likely to be greasy plates. Lamb fat in
particular is great at setting in drains.

Get a dog to prewash all your greasy plates and pans.

Tim

On 24/03/15 17:40, Tim+ wrote:
Get a dog to prewash all your greasy plates and pans.

+10

--
Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for the
rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge. €“ Erwin Knoll

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 5:40:40 PM UTC, Tim+ wrote:
"Nick" wrote:
"Rusty" wrote in message
...
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.
More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or (b) a
problem with the drainage.

I would have thought that dishwasher detergent would be most unlikely to
congeal. As Nick says, most likely to be greasy plates. Lamb fat in
particular is great at setting in drains.

Get a dog to prewash all your greasy plates and pans.

Tim

Yup. If you lack one, hot caustic soda down a drain clears it of fat. Its nasty stuff though.


NT

On 24/03/2015 17:47, wrote:
Yup. If you lack one, hot caustic soda down a drain clears it of fat. Its nasty stuff though.

+1
i do that once a year as a matter of course.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:22:26 +0000, Rusty wrote:

I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't get
much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.

Just checking - there is no chance that this is from a washing machine?

Reason I ask is that powder in washing machines can clog up drains if you
put too much in.

One of my least pleasant memories is cleaning out a grid where the washing
machine (previous owner) had filled the U bend with congealed white stuff.

Cheers

Dave R



--
Windows 8.1 on PCSpecialist box

On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:40:37 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or
(b)
a problem with the drainage.

I would have thought that dishwasher detergent would be most unlikely to
congeal.

So would I. I'm under the impression that dishwasher "detergent" is
pretty caustic stuff . You certainly don't want to hand wash your
dishes using dishwasher detergent...

As Nick says, most likely to be greasy plates. Lamb fat in particular
is great at setting in drains.

We need a description of the stuff that is blocking the drain.
Washing machine powder has been mentioned that clogs the pipes with a
hard but crumbly residue. Fat is fat thick softish stuff with not
much texture.

Any drain that regularly needs to be rodded has a fault or is having
stuff down it that shouldn't go down it, like animal fats. "Fault"
would normally be not enough fall so solids don't get carried by the
water flow or too much fall so the water flows away too quickly
leaving the soilds behind.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message
-septembe
r.org, Tim+ writes
"Nick" wrote:
"Rusty" wrote in message
...
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.
More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or (b) a
problem with the drainage.

I would have thought that dishwasher detergent would be most unlikely to
congeal. As Nick says, most likely to be greasy plates. Lamb fat in
particular is great at setting in drains.


Yeah, I've ever noticed dishwasher detergent ever doing that.

Fat does sound more likely, though I'd be a bit surprised if fat in the
dishwasher water did it? I thought it was from people pouring fat down
sink, or from the hand wash water?

Fat can certainly be a problem though. A while after moving into this
house the drain outside the kitchen blocked a bit downstream of the U
bend. (the drain turned 90 degrees as well right after it.)

Eventually cleared it with a drain cleaning attachment on a pressure
washer. Great big lumps of fat floated down from it - the drain must
have been at least 50% blocked with it I reckon
--
Chris French

Thanks for responses.
It is not lamb or other meat fats.
It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
But mine seems worse than theirs.

I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.

Thanks.

Rusty wrote

I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due
to dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.

It isn't the dishwasher detergent that congeals.

Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.

Same one I have used for decades now.

We rarely use the sink which drains to the same
path, so it doesn't get much "flush though".

I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it
re-congeals when the expelled "liquid" gets cold.

I don't believe that. I am currently running my
latest dishwasher on the 6' wide concrete slab
that runs the whole of the length of that part
of the back of the house, under the 6' eave
there just because I have been too lazy to install
it in the kitchen in place of the previous one.

So the drain is just lying on the ground,
so I can see that nothing congeals at all.

Any suggestions ?

Work out what is congealing.

At one time I used to tip the molten fat out of
the big stainless steel pan I do the legs of lamb
in and then just put the whole thing in the bottom
of the dishwasher. That approach does end up
with a lot of fat in the drain and that does
certainly congeal there.

I don't do that anymore, wipe the pan out with
kitchen paper and that has fixed the fat problem.

Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

I don't believe that is going to make any difference.
The solid pellets of detergent are completely dissolved
during the wash cycle and that dissolved detergent
doesn't ever congeal when its cold.

"Rusty" wrote in message
...
Thanks for responses.
It is not lamb or other meat fats.
It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
his neighbour.

Sounds like it's the very hard water then.

The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
But mine seems worse than theirs.

I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.

Doesn't sound like it's the fat that that works with that is the problem.

snip
We need a description of the stuff that is blocking the drain.
Washing machine powder has been mentioned that clogs the pipes with a
hard but crumbly residue. Fat is fat thick softish stuff with not
much texture.
snip

That's ie:
Washing machine powder has been mentioned that clogs the pipes with a
*****hard but crumbly residue*****

though it's definately from the dishwasher.

"Rusty" wrote in message
...
Thanks for responses.
It is not lamb or other meat fats.
It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
But mine seems worse than theirs.

I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.

Thanks.

The problem with modern dishwashers is that they are designed to use a very
minimum of water.
Maybe not enough to flush away residues in this case.
If a wash hand basin was also connected to the same drain it might help.

Most dishwasher detergents contain a softener.

Could be there is an obstruction in the drain.
More likely if the drain is earthenware.

Or could be missized.
Oversized is as bad as undersized.

Maybe you should get a proper chemical ion exchange water softener.
But don't drink the water.

In message , harryagain
writes

"Rusty" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks for responses.
It is not lamb or other meat fats.
It is a congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency,
but greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods
with claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap.
I keep the dishwasher topped up with salt which should soften the
water. Nasty, very hard Cambridge water.
There is no feed from a washing machine into this drain.
It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg as soon
6 inch after it hits the drain pipe.
I'm not the only one. A colleague across town had similar, and so did
his neighbour. The neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix !
But mine seems worse than theirs.

I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.

Thanks.

The problem with modern dishwashers is that they are designed to use a very
minimum of water.
Maybe not enough to flush away residues in this case.

I wonder if a liquid dishwasher detergent would help?

I'm intrigued as to what the deposit is as I've never noticed such a
thing. But maybe that's because the drain here has the sink feeding it
as well. Maybe it's something about he local water supply?

If a wash hand basin was also connected to the same drain it might help.

Most dishwasher detergents contain a softener.

snip

Maybe you should get a proper chemical ion exchange water softener.
But don't drink the water.


Dishwashers include a built in water softner
--
Chris French

In article , Chris French
wrote:
In message , harryagain
writes

"Rusty" wrote in message
.. .
Thanks for responses. It is not lamb or other meat fats. It is a
congealed, greasy, thin, near white cement type consistency, but
greasy and sticky on the hands and arms. At its worst, the rods with
claw end break free solid, then semi-solid crap. I keep the dishwasher
topped up with salt which should soften the water. Nasty, very hard
Cambridge water. There is no feed from a washing machine into this
drain. It has a reasonable fall, but does turn a corner, maybe 45 deg
as soon 6 inch after it hits the drain pipe. I'm not the only one. A
colleague across town had similar, and so did his neighbour. The
neighbour apparantly paid DynoRod ~£250 to fix ! But mine seems worse
than theirs.

I think I'll try the hot caustic soda every 6 months.

Thanks.

The problem with modern dishwashers is that they are designed to use a
very minimum of water. Maybe not enough to flush away residues in this
case.

I wonder if a liquid dishwasher detergent would help?

I'm intrigued as to what the deposit is as I've never noticed such a
thing. But maybe that's because the drain here has the sink feeding it
as well. Maybe it's something about he local water supply?

One thing that I've found clogging drains is shaving soap.

--
From KT24 in Surrey

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

replying to Rod Speed , A Cepeda wrote:
rod.speed.aaa wrote:

Rusty wrote
It isn't the dishwasher detergent that congeals.
Same one I have used for decades now.
I don't believe that. I am currently running my
latest dishwasher on the 6' wide concrete slab
that runs the whole of the length of that part
of the back of the house, under the 6' eave
there just because I have been too lazy to install
it in the kitchen in place of the previous one.
So the drain is just lying on the ground,
so I can see that nothing congeals at all.
Work out what is congealing.
At one time I used to tip the molten fat out of
the big stainless steel pan I do the legs of lamb
in and then just put the whole thing in the bottom
of the dishwasher. That approach does end up
with a lot of fat in the drain and that does
certainly congeal there.
I don't do that anymore, wipe the pan out with
kitchen paper and that has fixed the fat problem.
I don't believe that is going to make any difference.
The solid pellets of detergent are completely dissolved
during the wash cycle and that dissolved detergent
doesn't ever congeal when its cold.


We do not have a dishwasher, we do not put fat or oils down the drain, but
we wash our clothes a lot with liquid detergent. We have the same problem.
I believe our problem is the cold and that the septic tank does not empty
fluids fast enough when there is heavy use of the washer machine, toilet,
showers, etc. (i.e., when the house is full of guests).



--

On 10/01/2016 00:44, A Cepeda wrote:
replying to Rod Speed , A Cepeda wrote:
rod.speed.aaa wrote:

Rusty wrote It isn't the dishwasher detergent
that congeals. Same one I have used for decades now. I don't believe
that. I am currently running my latest dishwasher on the 6' wide
concrete slab that runs the whole of the length of that part of the
back of the house, under the 6' eave there just because I have been
too lazy to install it in the kitchen in place of the previous one. So
the drain is just lying on the ground, so I can see that nothing
congeals at all. Work out what is congealing. At one time I used to
tip the molten fat out of the big stainless steel pan I do the legs of
lamb in and then just put the whole thing in the bottom of the
dishwasher. That approach does end up with a lot of fat in the drain
and that does certainly congeal there. I don't do that anymore, wipe
the pan out with kitchen paper and that has fixed the fat problem. I
don't believe that is going to make any difference. The solid pellets
of detergent are completely dissolved during the wash cycle and that
dissolved detergent doesn't ever congeal when its cold.


We do not have a dishwasher, we do not put fat or oils down the drain, but
we wash our clothes a lot with liquid detergent. We have the same problem.
I believe our problem is the cold and that the septic tank does not empty
fluids fast enough when there is heavy use of the washer machine, toilet,
showers, etc. (i.e., when the house is full of guests).



For some time now I have been using Muck Munchers, placing it in the
toilet bowl once a month. I have found it extremely efficient. I had the
tank emptied before starting with the product, though this is
purportedly no necessary. The money you save not having the tank emptied
more than of sets the price of the product. apart from being a customer
I have no connection to the company.

On 24/03/2015 16:49, Nick wrote:
"Rusty" wrote in message
...
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.
More likely either (a) fatty solids from the items being washed or (b) a
problem with the drainage.


+1

replying to Tim+, Diane wrote:
I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher but had to have drain
lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on this one, I am no longer
using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally dissolve before going
down the drain hoses.

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Diane m wrote
Tim+ wrote

I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher

Bloody hell, what a waste of time. Any decent
dishwasher rinses the stuff in it before washing is.

but had to have drain lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on
this one,

Trouble is you didnt quote anything so we can't easily see that.

I am no longer using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally
dissolve before going down the drain hoses.

After I found what looked like a long thin strand of what
appeared to be the in theory dissolvable packet with the Aldi
stuff, I just cut it off and put the tablet in the dispenser bare.

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:
Diane m wrote
Tim+ wrote

I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher

Bloody hell, what a waste of time. Any decent dishwasher rinses the stuff
in it before washing is.

Not if it's rice. That tends to block the filter on the drain.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

Diane wrote:
replying to Tim+, Diane wrote:
I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher but had to have
drain lines replaced due to build-up.. I'm with Rusty on this one, I
am no longer using Cascade Complete. I don't think the packs totally
dissolve before going down the drain hoses.

This was over two years ago.
Have you sorted it yet?

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:
Diane m wrote
Tim+ wrote

I rinse everything before putting in the dishwasher

Bloody hell, what a waste of time. Any decent dishwasher rinses the stuff
in it before washing is.

Not if it's rice. That tends to block the filter on the drain.

I never get that effect with mine and I do eat quite a bit of rice.

The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different dishwasher
models from 3 completely different manufacturers.

Hell of a lot easier to do that than to rinse everything
that goes into the dishwasher. Stupid waste of time.

All I ever do is scrape off the biggest stuff like say
chop bones into the bin before the plate goes into
the dishwasher.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...



The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different dishwasher
models from 3 completely different manufacturers.


Really?

I have had 3 completely different dishwasher models but the almost identical
appearance of the inside suggests that they have all been made in the same
factory with just the badge on the front being different

tim

On 09/04/2017 17:14, Diane wrote:
replying to Tim+, Diane wrote: I rinse everything before putting in
the dishwasher but had to have drain lines replaced due to build-up..
I'm with Rusty on this one, I am no longer using Cascade Complete.
I don't think the packs totally dissolve before going down the drain
hoses.

This might assist you with posting to a newsgroup, albeit through a website:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855

- If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context.

"tim..." wrote in message
news


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...



The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different dishwasher
models from 3 completely different manufacturers.

Really?

Yes, really.

I have had 3 completely different dishwasher models but the almost
identical appearance of the inside suggests that they have all been made
in the same factory with just the badge on the front being different

Mine are nothing even remotely like the same inside.

Even the pocket thing in the filter is quite different with each.

All work fine with some rice in it.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"tim..." wrote in message
news


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...



The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different
dishwasher
models from 3 completely different manufacturers.

Really?

Yes, really.

I have had 3 completely different dishwasher models but the almost
identical appearance of the inside suggests that they have all been made
in the same factory with just the badge on the front being different

Mine are nothing even remotely like the same inside.

Even the pocket thing in the filter is quite different with each.

All work fine with some rice in it.

I don't doubt it, I wasn't commenting on that part

rice would never end up in my dishwasher because I will have made sure to
have eaten it all :-)

tim

"tim..." wrote in message
news


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"tim..." wrote in message
news


"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...



The rice ends up in the pocket thing in the filter where its completely
trivial to knock out into the bin, with 3 completely different
dishwasher
models from 3 completely different manufacturers.

Really?

Yes, really.

I have had 3 completely different dishwasher models but the almost
identical appearance of the inside suggests that they have all been made
in the same factory with just the badge on the front being different

Mine are nothing even remotely like the same inside.

Even the pocket thing in the filter is quite different with each.

All work fine with some rice in it.

I don't doubt it, I wasn't commenting on that part

Obvious lie.

rice would never end up in my dishwasher because I will have made sure to
have eaten it all :-)

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 9:22:31 AM UTC-5, Rusty wrote:
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.



I know this message was a couple of years ago, but we are currently experiencing the same problem. I found this thread hoping to find ways to get it unclogged and prevent it from happening again.

I won't say which brand of powdered dishwasher detergent it was (except that it was a major brand), but I stopped buying it because I noticed it was clumping together, sticking to the sides of the dishwasher, and giving our dishes a powdery-film appearance.


When the dishwasher stopped draining, I opened up the filter to clean it out and found huge clumps of the dishwasher powder all caked together...substantially larger than the filter-holes themselves, meaning it clumped together inside the filter itself.


(Doubters please note, companies can change their ingredients without notice, get a one-time shipment of ingredients that are substandard or fake, and some ingredients have changed due to recent federal regulations...especially ingredients previously used to soften hard water).

On 15/06/2017 16:38, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 9:22:31 AM UTC-5, Rusty wrote:
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.



I know this message was a couple of years ago, but we are currently experiencing the same problem. I found this thread hoping to find ways to get it unclogged and prevent it from happening again.

I won't say which brand of powdered dishwasher detergent it was (except that it was a major brand), but I stopped buying it because I noticed it was clumping together, sticking to the sides of the dishwasher, and giving our dishes a powdery-film appearance.


When the dishwasher stopped draining, I opened up the filter to clean it out and found huge clumps of the dishwasher powder all caked together...substantially larger than the filter-holes themselves, meaning it clumped together inside the filter itself.


(Doubters please note, companies can change their ingredients without notice, get a one-time shipment of ingredients that are substandard or fake, and some ingredients have changed due to recent federal regulations...especially ingredients previously used to soften hard water).



I don't doubt you, in fact I've wondered why it doesn't happen at times-
having seen the problems you can get with liquid washing fluid in
washing machines. In the past I've noticed quite a serious build up of
'gunge' in the waste. It seems, from what I've read on the net, the grey
gunge is a mix of fat (body oil), washing fluid, and hard water
deposits. Given there will be fat in dishwasher water, while the water
is softened. unless the detergent is very different, why no gunge?

Changing back to washing powder seemed to do the trick with our washing
machine, along with convincing my wife not to use too much.

On 15/06/2017 17:19, Brian Reay wrote:

Changing back to washing powder seemed to do the trick with our washing
machine, along with convincing my wife not to use too much.



Run an occasional hot wash with a full 1kg of washing soda.
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/prod...x?id=285047163


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On Thursday, 15 June 2017 19:36:04 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
On 15/06/2017 17:19, Brian Reay wrote:

Changing back to washing powder seemed to do the trick with our washing
machine, along with convincing my wife not to use too much.



Run an occasional hot wash with a full 1kg of washing soda.
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/prod...x?id=285047163

way excessive

I have no dishwasher but a plumber told me some time ago that although this
detergent removes grease, the grease and the detergent can clump into what
he termed fat Burgs in sewers which are surprisingly solid, and obviously
filters and plumbing in houses have the same problem.
I've certainly not found any answer, as even hand washing greasy plates with
Fairy liquid seems to result in this congealing effect further down the
drain.
Brian

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On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 9:22:31 AM UTC-5, Rusty wrote:
I need to put rods through my drain about every year or so due to
dishwasher detergent congealing and clogging the drain.
Using "Finish" (top brand ?) tablet detergent.
We rarely use the sink which drains to the same path, so it doesn't
get much "flush though".
I'm assuming when the dishwasher drains, it re-congeals when the
expelled "liquid" gets cold.

Any suggestions ?
Maybe a liquid dishwasher detergent ?

Thanks.



I know this message was a couple of years ago, but we are currently
experiencing the same problem. I found this thread hoping to find ways to
get it unclogged and prevent it from happening again.

I won't say which brand of powdered dishwasher detergent it was (except that
it was a major brand), but I stopped buying it because I noticed it was
clumping together, sticking to the sides of the dishwasher, and giving our
dishes a powdery-film appearance.


When the dishwasher stopped draining, I opened up the filter to clean it out
and found huge clumps of the dishwasher powder all caked
together...substantially larger than the filter-holes themselves, meaning it
clumped together inside the filter itself.


(Doubters please note, companies can change their ingredients without
notice, get a one-time shipment of ingredients that are substandard or fake,
and some ingredients have changed due to recent federal
regulations...especially ingredients previously used to soften hard water).

replying to Rusty, John wrote:
I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes its not grease buildup.
We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is definitely
the detergent. We have been using the hell packs but will be going back to
liquid Same thing happened to my daughters house. She used powder
detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are the
filler materials added to the detergent

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On 26/09/2018 22:14, John wrote:
replying to Rusty, John wrote:
I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes its not grease
buildup.
We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is
definitely
the detergent. We have been using the hell packs but will be going back to
liquid Same thing happened to my daughters house. She used powder
detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are
the
filler materials added to the detergent


Never seen it with a dishwasher but, in the past, we had problems with
liquid clothes detergent in a washing machine. The outlet and drain
became gunged up with a grey, chalky, paste.

Some research indicated it was a known issue- detergent residue, body
oil/fat (from clothes), hard water deposits, .... all mixed up. We don't
get it with power.

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On Wednesday, 26 September 2018 21:14:04 UTC+1, John wrote:
replying to Rusty, John wrote:
I have the same problem. Since we preprinted dishes its not grease buildup.
We have a septic tank so all plumbing in in basement ceiling. It is definitely
the detergent. We have been using the hell packs but will be going back to
liquid Same thing happened to my daughters house. She used powder
detergent. It filled the pipe with a sandy substance, which I assume are the
filler materials added to the detergent

A lot of that doesn't make sense. If you have sandy deposits your drain isn't draining well enough. I'd check the machine outlet is running freely & check the waste plumbing flow & layout.


NT

replying to tabbypurr, Its Getting Late wrote:
Got the same problem here, pipes blocked, dishwasher tablets don't appear to
be fully dissolving I'd guess by what I found coming out of the pipe once I
started clearing it, yet they start dissolving in water only once we press our
finger on them, not just by being in a stream of water. Going to try
dishwasher gel next.
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Yes it is the powdered/pods that is plugging the drains
From your kitchen! What a mess! Pulled all lines and replaced! Low flow Water efficiency dishwashers and powder or powder pods! It will be liquid dishwasher liquid for us from now on!!