Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her turn. She rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

On 25/2/15 13:34, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.


Is this happening just outside your window, or in your street, or
throughout the entire nation? Do try to be more specific.

You can of course ask your council why they are replacing streetlamp
posts. Maybe the answer will be that they are in a dangerous condition
even though to a layman like you, they seem fine. Frost damage can cause
the concrete posts to shed large lumps upon unsuspecting bystanders.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:36:59 -0000, The Todal wrote:

On 25/2/15 13:34, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

Is this happening just outside your window, or in your street, or
throughout the entire nation? Do try to be more specific.

The whole of my council area, and it's happening everywhere else - I've seen it on the news.

You can of course ask your council why they are replacing streetlamp
posts.

I can't be bothered, I've already sent them enough complaints recently.

Maybe the answer will be that they are in a dangerous condition
even though to a layman like you, they seem fine. Frost damage can cause
the concrete posts to shed large lumps upon unsuspecting bystanders.

They're steel posts, with no signs of rust or anything, I saw them take them away.

And chances are any bit of concrete that fell off one (if they were concrete) wouldn't land on anything but the ground.

--
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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do
was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of
pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles
were in perfect condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her
turn. She rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your
name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the streetlamp
poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to change the lamp
on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of council taxes. The
cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect condition.



prick

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:00:19 -0000, Jethro_uk wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

Assuming LED lamps draw less power (and weigh less) then there's the
possibility that the council are substituting wires and poles with
something that uses less (or no) metal, and - given the prices decent
quality scrap metal fetches (copper in particular) are using the funds
raised to help pay for the replacements.

I doubt the price is that high that it pays for the cost of having someone with an expensive crane lift go round and swap all the poles. And they're replacing steel painted brown with steel galvanised. I can't see any net gain. As for the wires, the cost of digging up half the pavement and retarmacing it must be far greater than the metal they get from the bigger wires.

Since we had ours done (2+ years ago) and the surrounding neighbourhood,
there has been a marked decrease in light pollution - stars which were
not visible before are just about visible now.

Oh yes, I'm not complaining about the lights, they're much better (only problem is since they're white, I keep mistaking the pools of light for a pool of light from a headlamp and think a cars coming when it isn't). Not sure why they can't evenly illuminate the ground, they seem to have chosen narrow beam spotlights.

--
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:01:46 -0000, Phi wrote:


"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do
was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of
pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles
were in perfect condition.

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.

Very funny. Mind you I'd not put it past a council employee to think that was necessary.

--
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Poly meaning many, and tic being a blood-sucking thing.

On 25/02/15 13:34, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.


When? Where?

On 25/02/15 14:01, Phi wrote:

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her turn. She
rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your name,
can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current for a
given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size of the supply
cables.

That makes no sense...

Tough Guy no. 1265 scribbled


news.alt.net

Nuff said

In article ,
Phi wrote:
They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.

1/10. Must try harder.

--
*A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.

1/10. Must try harder.

No, it was 10/10 for trolling.

-- Richard

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

cynic
Because it's nearly the end of the financial year and if they don't spend
the money their budget will be cut next time?

/cynic



--
TOJ.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message ...

On 25/02/15 14:01, Phi wrote:

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her turn. She
rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your name,
can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current for a
given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size of the supply
cables.

That makes no sense...

I think he was having a bit of a wind up. Looks like it worked.

On 25/02/15 14:07, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:00:19 -0000, Jethro_uk
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

Assuming LED lamps draw less power (and weigh less) then there's the
possibility that the council are substituting wires and poles with
something that uses less (or no) metal, and - given the prices decent
quality scrap metal fetches (copper in particular) are using the funds
raised to help pay for the replacements.

I doubt the price is that high that it pays for the cost of having
someone with an expensive crane lift go round and swap all the poles.
And they're replacing steel painted brown with steel galvanised. I
can't see any net gain. As for the wires, the cost of digging up half
the pavement and retarmacing it must be far greater than the metal they
get from the bigger wires.

Well, yes. The assertion was tripe.

I wonder if this is a case of LED makers trying to go non standard like
they do with household fittings - or maybe the lamp head is just weird
and unsuitable for retrofit?

But it would be more cost effective to swap the entire head than replace
the pole and reconnect to the mains...

The Other John scribbled


On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

cynic
Because it's nearly the end of the financial year and if they don't spend
the money their budget will be cut next time?

/cynic


What budget ?

Phi scribbled


"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do
was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of
pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles
were in perfect condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her
turn. She rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your
name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.


Cock

This would help address an area of concern with the existing council
cable networks installed during the 1980?s, when a type of cable known
as ?split concentric? was used. At the time, this cable was considered a
more secure choice for underground cable as it consisted of the neutral
and earth cables completely surrounding the ?live? core. If the cable
was cut during excavation works, the protection offered by the neural
and earth would remain until the ?live?core was completely cut. However,
over time , the insulation on this type of cable has deteriorated and
possibly broken down to a point where this cable would fail current
electrical tests with a resultant loss in electrical protection and loss
of service. Since the start of the 1990?s the Council has been using a
?Steel Wire Armoured? (SWA) cable, which has proven to be more
resilient.


http://www.stirling.gov.uk/__documents/temporary-
uploads/environment/ramp-cc.pdf

On 25/02/2015 13:34, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.


PFI

--
Cheers, Rob

On 25/02/2015 13:36, The Todal wrote:
On 25/2/15 13:34, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.


Is this happening just outside your window, or in your street, or
throughout the entire nation? Do try to be more specific.

You can of course ask your council why they are replacing streetlamp
posts. Maybe the answer will be that they are in a dangerous condition
even though to a layman like you, they seem fine. Frost damage can cause
the concrete posts to shed large lumps upon unsuspecting bystanders.

OTOH, you may get the answer I did when I queried why my local Council
are replacing all the street lights in the County at a time of budgetary
restraint: 'they don't meet the specification'. A follow-up enquiry as
to what specification was ignored.

--
Colin Bignell

On 25/02/2015 14:00, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

Assuming LED lamps draw less power (and weigh less) then there's the
possibility that the council are substituting wires and poles with
something that uses less (or no) metal, and - given the prices decent
quality scrap metal fetches (copper in particular) are using the funds
raised to help pay for the replacements...

LED street lamps need a closer spacing than most other types to achieve
the required lighting levels. I wouldn't mind so much if my Council were
fitting LED lights, at least they could justify that on the long term
savings, but they have replaced lamp posts across the County and fitted
them with high pressure sodium lamps.


--
Colin Bignell

On Wednesday, 25 February 2015 14:01:49 UTC, Phi wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do
was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of
pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles
were in perfect condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her
turn. She rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your
name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.

That really doesn't make any sense at all.

What I've noticed is teh digging up and replacement of paveing slabs at bus stops. it was all done last year and the year before that. I'm betting teh council have a bit of money left over and need to spend it ASAP or they'll loose it, so they just spend it.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/15 14:07, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:00:19 -0000, Jethro_uk
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

Assuming LED lamps draw less power (and weigh less) then there's the
possibility that the council are substituting wires and poles with
something that uses less (or no) metal, and - given the prices decent
quality scrap metal fetches (copper in particular) are using the funds
raised to help pay for the replacements.

I doubt the price is that high that it pays for the cost of having
someone with an expensive crane lift go round and swap all the poles.
And they're replacing steel painted brown with steel galvanised. I
can't see any net gain. As for the wires, the cost of digging up half
the pavement and retarmacing it must be far greater than the metal they
get from the bigger wires.

Well, yes. The assertion was tripe.

I wonder if this is a case of LED makers trying to go non standard like
they do with household fittings - or maybe the lamp head is just weird and
unsuitable for retrofit?

But it would be more cost effective to swap the entire head than replace
the pole and reconnect to the mains...


Maybe the UG cable is in dodgy condition?
Maybe the poles aren't tall enough?

"Jonno" wrote in message
ldhosting.com...
Phi scribbled


"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do
was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of
pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles
were in perfect condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her
turn. She rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your
name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.


Cock

This would help address an area of concern with the existing council
cable networks installed during the 1980?s, when a type of cable known
as ?split concentric? was used. At the time, this cable was considered a
more secure choice for underground cable as it consisted of the neutral
and earth cables completely surrounding the ?live? core. If the cable
was cut during excavation works, the protection offered by the neural
and earth would remain until the ?live?core was completely cut. However,
over time , the insulation on this type of cable has deteriorated and
possibly broken down to a point where this cable would fail current
electrical tests with a resultant loss in electrical protection and loss
of service. Since the start of the 1990?s the Council has been using a
?Steel Wire Armoured? (SWA) cable, which has proven to be more
resilient.


http://www.stirling.gov.uk/__documents/temporary-
uploads/environment/ramp-cc.pdf

I haven't seen concentric cable for forty years.
It WAS a dead loss.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:31:20 -0000, Jonno wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 scribbled


news.alt.net

Nuff said

Cheap, reliable, good retention, your point is?

--
You can't please everyone. But it IS possible to **** 'em ALL off at the same time.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:53:11 -0000, The Other John wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

cynic
Because it's nearly the end of the financial year and if they don't spend
the money their budget will be cut next time?

/cynic

That's probably closer to the truth than it should be. [rolls eyes]

--
You can't please everyone. But it IS possible to **** 'em ALL off at the same time.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:19:08 -0000, Jonno wrote:

The Other John scribbled


On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

cynic
Because it's nearly the end of the financial year and if they don't spend
the money their budget will be cut next time?

/cynic


What budget ?

The enormous one which allows council workers to sit in the vans with the engine running 50% of the day drinking coffee.

--
WinError: Unable to exit Windows. Try the door.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:24:34 -0000, RJH wrote:

On 25/02/2015 13:34, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.


PFI

Guzzuntie.

--
A budget is just a method of worrying before you spend money, as well as afterwards.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:31:54 -0000, Nightjar insert my surname here.me.uk cpb wrote:

On 25/02/2015 14:00, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

Assuming LED lamps draw less power (and weigh less) then there's the
possibility that the council are substituting wires and poles with
something that uses less (or no) metal, and - given the prices decent
quality scrap metal fetches (copper in particular) are using the funds
raised to help pay for the replacements...

LED street lamps need a closer spacing than most other types to achieve
the required lighting levels. I wouldn't mind so much if my Council were
fitting LED lights, at least they could justify that on the long term
savings, but they have replaced lamp posts across the County and fitted
them with high pressure sodium lamps.

Nope, my street has the same number of lamps in the same places. Neighbouring streets have a similar number of lamps in slightly different places. LEDs can be made to output light in any angle you wish, so that's not an excuse.

--
Do files get embarrassed when they get unzipped?

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:37:16 -0000, whisky-dave wrote:

On Wednesday, 25 February 2015 14:01:49 UTC, Phi wrote:
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do
was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of
pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles
were in perfect condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her
turn. She rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your
name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.

That really doesn't make any sense at all.

What I've noticed is teh digging up and replacement of paveing slabs at bus stops. it was all done last year and the year before that. I'm betting teh council have a bit of money left over and need to spend it ASAP or they'll loose it, so they just spend it.

Doing that should be enough reason to sack someone. Budgets should carry over.

--
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A passerby said, "So? You should be happy about that. Why are you so angry?"
"I want to know who the son of a bitch is that's the father of the second kid!"

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:27:09 -0000, Jonno wrote:

Phi scribbled


"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do
was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of
pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles
were in perfect condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her
turn. She rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your
name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.


Cock

This would help address an area of concern with the existing council
cable networks installed during the 1980?s, when a type of cable known
as ?split concentric? was used. At the time, this cable was considered a
more secure choice for underground cable as it consisted of the neutral
and earth cables completely surrounding the ?live? core. If the cable
was cut during excavation works, the protection offered by the neural
and earth would remain until the ?live?core was completely cut. However,
over time , the insulation on this type of cable has deteriorated and
possibly broken down to a point where this cable would fail current
electrical tests with a resultant loss in electrical protection and loss
of service. Since the start of the 1990?s the Council has been using a
?Steel Wire Armoured? (SWA) cable, which has proven to be more
resilient.


http://www.stirling.gov.uk/__documents/temporary-
uploads/environment/ramp-cc.pdf

The insulation failed and allowed neutral to get to the ground? Oh no!


--
Once upon a time, a Prince asked a beautiful Princess, Will you marry me? The Princess said; No!!! So the Prince lived happily ever after and rode Harley Davidson motorcycles and banged skinny long-legged big-titted broads and hunted and fished and raced cars and went to naked bars and dated women half his age and drank whiskey, beer and Captain Morgan and never heard bitching and never paid child support or alimony and banged cheerleaders and kept his house and guns and ate spam and potato chips and beans and blew enormous farts and never got cheated on while he was at work and all his friends and family thought he was freak'in cool as hell and he had tons of money in the bank and left the toilet seat up.
The end.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:46:01 -0000, harryagain wrote:


"Jonno" wrote in message
ldhosting.com...
Phi scribbled


"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do
was to change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of
pounds of council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles
were in perfect condition.

--
A blonde was playing Trivial Pursuit one night. It was her
turn. She rolled the dice and she Landed on Science & Nature.
Her question was "If you are in a vacuum and someone calls your
name, can you hear it?"
She thought for a time and then asked, "Is it on or off?"

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current
for a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size
of the supply cables.


Cock

This would help address an area of concern with the existing council
cable networks installed during the 1980?s, when a type of cable known
as ?split concentric? was used. At the time, this cable was considered a
more secure choice for underground cable as it consisted of the neutral
and earth cables completely surrounding the ?live? core. If the cable
was cut during excavation works, the protection offered by the neural
and earth would remain until the ?live?core was completely cut. However,
over time , the insulation on this type of cable has deteriorated and
possibly broken down to a point where this cable would fail current
electrical tests with a resultant loss in electrical protection and loss
of service. Since the start of the 1990?s the Council has been using a
?Steel Wire Armoured? (SWA) cable, which has proven to be more
resilient.


http://www.stirling.gov.uk/__documents/temporary-
uploads/environment/ramp-cc.pdf

I haven't seen concentric cable for forty years.
It WAS a dead loss.

My house is supplied with it, including the cable they recently replaced.

--
Mary's lamb had foot and mouth.
The vet he came and shot it.
But Mary's Dad had shagged it twice.
And now her Mum has got it.

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:00:33 -0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On 25/02/15 14:07, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:00:19 -0000, Jethro_uk
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

Assuming LED lamps draw less power (and weigh less) then there's the
possibility that the council are substituting wires and poles with
something that uses less (or no) metal, and - given the prices decent
quality scrap metal fetches (copper in particular) are using the funds
raised to help pay for the replacements.

I doubt the price is that high that it pays for the cost of having
someone with an expensive crane lift go round and swap all the poles.
And they're replacing steel painted brown with steel galvanised. I
can't see any net gain. As for the wires, the cost of digging up half
the pavement and retarmacing it must be far greater than the metal they
get from the bigger wires.

Well, yes. The assertion was tripe.

I wonder if this is a case of LED makers trying to go non standard like
they do with household fittings - or maybe the lamp head is just weird
and unsuitable for retrofit?

But it would be more cost effective to swap the entire head than replace
the pole and reconnect to the mains...

The new head clamps around the top of a steel tubular pole. It would have gone on the old pole just fine, even if you had to saw off the top which maybe had some kind of fitting on it.

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On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:43:29 -0000, harryagain wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 25/02/15 14:07, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:00:19 -0000, Jethro_uk
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

Assuming LED lamps draw less power (and weigh less) then there's the
possibility that the council are substituting wires and poles with
something that uses less (or no) metal, and - given the prices decent
quality scrap metal fetches (copper in particular) are using the funds
raised to help pay for the replacements.

I doubt the price is that high that it pays for the cost of having
someone with an expensive crane lift go round and swap all the poles.
And they're replacing steel painted brown with steel galvanised. I
can't see any net gain. As for the wires, the cost of digging up half
the pavement and retarmacing it must be far greater than the metal they
get from the bigger wires.

Well, yes. The assertion was tripe.

I wonder if this is a case of LED makers trying to go non standard like
they do with household fittings - or maybe the lamp head is just weird and
unsuitable for retrofit?

But it would be more cost effective to swap the entire head than replace
the pole and reconnect to the mains...


Maybe the UG cable is in dodgy condition?

It was working fine, there were no lamps going out or flickering. I find it hard to believe it expired just at the same time as LEDs came out.

Maybe the poles aren't tall enough?

Maybe the correct LED lamp needs to be chosen to work with the existing poles?

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"Phi" wrote in message
...

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current for a
given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size of the supply
cables.

It wasn’t necessary to replace the supply cables at all
and he said they replaced the poles too. That certainly
wasn’t necessary when replacing the lamps with LED lamps.

On 25/02/15 17:54, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

I haven't seen concentric cable for forty years.
It WAS a dead loss.

My house is supplied with it, including the cable they recently replaced.


So's mine - 2 core (live centre and neutral outer) on a TN-C-S system.

There is a 3 conductor version for TN-S systems too.

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:53:11 -0000, The Other John
wrote:

On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:34:40 +0000, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.

cynic
Because it's nearly the end of the financial year and if they don't spend
the money their budget will be cut next time?

/cynic

That's probably closer to the truth than it should be. [rolls eyes]

Are all the new poles going back exactly where the old ones were ?

If not, it may be more economic to just replace the lot and the older
underground wiring that has turned out to be a dud design at the
time the lamps are changed to LEDs.

"Phi" wrote in message
...

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current for a
given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size of the supply
cables.


:-)))))))))))))

And I'll raise you a customer that said "why do we not not use 12V instead
of 240V then we could use really thin cables"

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Adam

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in message
news
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the streetlamp
poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to change the lamp
on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of council taxes. The
cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect condition.


you have asked the same question here before, prick
http://bookstore.trafford.com/Produc...r-stories.aspx

Tough Guy no. 1265 explained on 2/25/2015 :
Why are councils re-laying all the cables and replacing all the
streetlamp poles for no ****ing reason? All they needed to do was to
change the lamp on the top. What a waste of millions of pounds of
council taxes. The cables worked fine. The poles were in perfect
condition.


Handing over public money to masonic owned companies is what's going
on.

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On 25/02/15 19:16, ARW wrote:
"Phi" wrote in message
...

They are replacing the cables because LED lamps take less current for
a given light output, so it was necessary to reduce the size of the
supply cables.


:-)))))))))))))

And I'll raise you a customer that said "why do we not not use 12V
instead of 240V then we could use really thin cables"


They possibly could:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob-and-tube_wiring

SELV would be about the only way to get away with that now (as open bare
wires stretched across the room with lamps clamped on seem to still exist).

Those Victorians - no poncing about and I bet it kept the rats down -
even if it was only 100 odd volts (London had some very weird lighting
supplies at one time, run in bare wire along the front of buildings).