On 02/11/2012 10:28, stuart noble wrote:

I was watching a Wetherspoons waitress yesterday (yeah, sad I know) and
it was staggering the amount of work she was getting through. Still she
had time to smile at all the old farts and generally look like she was a
happy bunny. I need hardly add that she was of East European origin.

In my experience the people they employ at Wetherspoons are the rejects
from the "do you want fries with that" establishments. The company do
seem to have some strange ideas about customer service. 30 people can be
waiting for service at the bar and there are 4 staff behind the bar, BUT
3 are on cleaning duty and cannot serve. Or, the one bar staff goes away
for 10 minutes to make coffee for a customer while the kitchen staff are
regularly supplying coffee to customers that have ordered food rather
than drink. The bar has run out of cask ale during the early evening but
the only person who can change the cask is the cellarman who is on the
day shift. There seems to be a demarcation in staff tasks with no
flexibility during busy times.


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On 01/11/2012 21:59, tony sayer wrote:

I have sometimes in the past thought it might be an idea to take someone
on, but from the more I hear of it I value my sanity too much;!...

Are these proper trainee/appretices or are they those who've been sent
to do "community service" or some other such punishment?..


In the company I work for trainee/appretices are usually quite good,
however, there is a fairly stringent vetting progress, first by Human
Resources* and then interviews with mid-managers who can still undertake
technical work.

*They changed their name from the Personnel Department some years ago in
the same way the canteen became a restaurant and the cook became a Chef.
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On 03/11/12 09:40, Owain wrote:
On Nov 2, 10:55 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Stupid porridge wog had staggered across the wrong bit of roundabout.
Theres a mathematical theorem called the drunkards walk....

But it doesn't explain how they don't get squished by cars ...

Owain

I knew one who did..

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(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 03/11/2012 09:45, alan wrote:
On 02/11/2012 10:28, stuart noble wrote:

I was watching a Wetherspoons waitress yesterday (yeah, sad I know) and
it was staggering the amount of work she was getting through. Still she
had time to smile at all the old farts and generally look like she was a
happy bunny. I need hardly add that she was of East European origin.

In my experience the people they employ at Wetherspoons are the rejects
from the "do you want fries with that" establishments. The company do
seem to have some strange ideas about customer service. 30 people can be
waiting for service at the bar and there are 4 staff behind the bar, BUT
3 are on cleaning duty and cannot serve. Or, the one bar staff goes away
for 10 minutes to make coffee for a customer while the kitchen staff are
regularly supplying coffee to customers that have ordered food rather
than drink. The bar has run out of cask ale during the early evening but
the only person who can change the cask is the cellarman who is on the
day shift. There seems to be a demarcation in staff tasks with no
flexibility during busy times.



This was the one on Victoria Station. Packed to the rafters right
through the day but, I have to say, very well organised, clean toilets
(despite being the only free ones on the station). Burger and a beer
very pleasant too.

Owain wrote:
On Nov 3, 12:05 am, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Quite - although IIRC bins were removed from many public places since they
are a good place to hide a bomb.

More to the point is that they are awkward and unpleasant places to
have to check before declaring an area 'all clear'

Railways now use clear bin-bags so the contents can be seen without
emptying.


I was going to mention the French solution for litter bins. which is the
same. They also often have a clear bag for general waste and a
transparent green one for recyclables hanging on the same frame.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:01:13 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

People who put rubbish there are 99% to blame. But a lot of the street
rubbish could miss the streets entirely if more public bins were
installed.

+1

Quite - although IIRC bins were removed from many public places since
they are a good place to hide a bomb.

True enough but that could be mitigated by not making the bins of cast
iron or concrete that shatters into lots of shrapnel...

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 03/11/2012 09:53, alan wrote:
On 01/11/2012 21:59, tony sayer wrote:

I have sometimes in the past thought it might be an idea to take someone
on, but from the more I hear of it I value my sanity too much;!...

Are these proper trainee/appretices or are they those who've been sent
to do "community service" or some other such punishment?..


In the company I work for trainee/appretices are usually quite good,
however, there is a fairly stringent vetting progress, first by Human
Resources* and then interviews with mid-managers who can still undertake
technical work.

*They changed their name from the Personnel Department some years ago in
the same way the canteen became a restaurant and the cook became a Chef.

Hate the name HR. But it does tend to make you think, correctly, that
they are there solely for the benefit of the company - not the employees.

--
Rod

In article
,
Owain wrote:
On Nov 3, 12:05 am, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Quite - although IIRC bins were removed from many public places since
they are a good place to hide a bomb.

More to the point is that they are awkward and unpleasant places to
have to check before declaring an area 'all clear'

Railways now use clear bin-bags so the contents can be seen without
emptying.

Where they actually have them. The bomb thing was a good excuse to remove
bins and not replace them.

--
*When the going gets tough, use duct tape

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 03/11/2012 10:43, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:01:13 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

People who put rubbish there are 99% to blame. But a lot of the street
rubbish could miss the streets entirely if more public bins were
installed.

+1

Quite - although IIRC bins were removed from many public places since
they are a good place to hide a bomb.

True enough but that could be mitigated by not making the bins of cast
iron or concrete that shatters into lots of shrapnel...

E.g. make them out of a shaped plastic-bag filled with water (with salt
or something to prevent algal growth) - or something that approximates
to that formulation however it is actually designed and made. That would
give them lots of weight, remove explosion danger - and maybe even
absorb some of the blast, reduce impact of fires started in bins, and
maybe other wonderful advantages.

--
Rod

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:01:13 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

People who put rubbish there are 99% to blame. But a lot of the street
rubbish could miss the streets entirely if more public bins were
installed.

+1

Quite - although IIRC bins were removed from many public places since
they are a good place to hide a bomb.

True enough but that could be mitigated by not making the bins of cast
iron or concrete that shatters into lots of shrapnel...

There was at least one design tested using some form of composite that
was strong enough to direct the explosive force of anything expected to
be used directly upwards, while remaining intact itself. I've heard no
more about it, so I assume it cost more to make than a plastic bag.

The video of the test (On Tomorrows World, IIRC) was quite impressive.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 09:53:47 +0000, alan
wrote:


In the company I work for trainee/appretices are usually quite good,
however, there is a fairly stringent vetting progress, first by Human
Resources*

*They changed their name from the Personnel Department some years ago


A personnel department was often a reasonably altruistic
operation in a businesses in the days when a company would take young
people in,train them and hope to keep them for a reasonable part of
their working life so they in turn could pass on the skills to the
next generation and whose years of experience could be drawn on even
by management who were younger and still learning the finer points of
a business or product.

A resource is something to be exploited and that's what Human
Resources do. The workforce is regarded as just another form of raw
material. A lot of what has gone wrong with British industry stems
from the era when personnel departments became HR with rapid turnover
of staff and firms now hemorrhaging funds to costly consultants and
recruitment agencies in attempts to acquire the most suitable staff.
Trouble is the firm really needed someone with a knowledge of widget
making to make and develop a new widget and the HR dept hasn't a clue
about widgets so recruits somebody with a degree on Mongolian
agriculture in the 13th century instead. They blag around for a while
****ing everybody off till they go elswhere and the circle starts
again.
Meanwhile the only place the firm can actually get a widget done is in
China so the owners go sod this, might as well move the manufacturing
there.

G.Harman

On 03/11/2012 11:07, wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 09:53:47 +0000, alan
wrote:
They blag around for a while
****ing everybody off till they go elswhere and the circle starts
again.
Meanwhile the only place the firm can actually get a widget done is in
China so the owners go sod this, might as well move the manufacturing
there.

And a couple or three other business models.

We are no longer in the business of designing and manufacturing
systems, we will just build modules. To find out later that the module
is only as good as the crap placed around it and to sell any modules a
fortune is spent getting all the bugs out of the system.

We will no longer manufacture anything, we will buy in from the best
supplier and we will become a systems provider. Strangely the supplier
of the equipments you wish to buy can get together and undercut your
bids for systems.

Our US sister company makes something similar so lets ditch our UK
manufacturing. The company then finds out that the US Government
restricts who you can sell to, and even may restrict anyone in the UK
from seeing the full specifications of the equipment.



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"ARW" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:
"Graham." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:18:46 -0000, "Mr Pounder"
wrote:


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...
Mr Pounder wrote:

Why was your drill not charged up?
I used to charge mine up every night.

That isn't adequate when you're using it all day. We have 800W
inverters in the van with aux batteries and charge everything
that way. Bill

I used to charge my drill up in Travelodges etc.
It was one hell of a drill; cost £360 in 1999.
It had all these lights and things.
Then, they took it off me :-(


Ah, Travelodge. Isn't that the hotel where breakfast is a a
croissant in a paper bag dumped outside your door?

Class.

I really would not know. I was always away in the early hours of the
morning.

I am with you on this one.

My digs in London costs me £20 a night. It's local to where I am working
and the £20 gets me a clean bed and shared bathrooms. You have to supply
your own toilet roll/soap/breakfast etc.

But as I am at work and not on holiday it does not matter.

I prefer to crash on site with a sleeping bag and air bed.


Ahhh, I was not paying for the Travelodge etc.
In 1999 I used to get 30 quid per day. This was to feed and sleep me all
over the country.
I did not really have the Interweb then and used to struggle finding digs. I
can remember sleeping in the van and watching a fox walk across the car park
in Orpington; this at 3AM.

On one occasion accommodation had been arranged for me in East Dulwich.
I had a young lad with me. When he saw the ******** he screamed blue murder.
I said let's just get the jobs done and then get the hell out of Dodge. With
my promise of a day off he agreed.
When I took the keys back I went looking for the **** who took our money. I
was going to chin the southern ****. He was not there, but I think he was.

On 03/11/2012 10:54, polygonum wrote:
On 03/11/2012 09:53, alan wrote:
On 01/11/2012 21:59, tony sayer wrote:

I have sometimes in the past thought it might be an idea to take someone
on, but from the more I hear of it I value my sanity too much;!...

Are these proper trainee/appretices or are they those who've been sent
to do "community service" or some other such punishment?..


In the company I work for trainee/appretices are usually quite good,
however, there is a fairly stringent vetting progress, first by Human
Resources* and then interviews with mid-managers who can still undertake
technical work.

*They changed their name from the Personnel Department some years ago in
the same way the canteen became a restaurant and the cook became a Chef.

Hate the name HR. But it does tend to make you think, correctly, that
they are there solely for the benefit of the company - not the employees.


Where I used to work HR = Human Remains

In message , alan
writes
*They changed their name from the Personnel Department some years ago
in the same way the canteen became a restaurant and the cook became a
Chef.


A dozen or so years back I knew someone who was a senior HR bodess, and
I mentioned to her that the only human resource was a slave. She
(worringly) immediately developed a maniacal grin.


Adrian
--
To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.

In article , damduck-
scribeth thus
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 09:53:47 +0000, alan
wrote:


In the company I work for trainee/appretices are usually quite good,
however, there is a fairly stringent vetting progress, first by Human
Resources*

*They changed their name from the Personnel Department some years ago


A personnel department was often a reasonably altruistic
operation in a businesses in the days when a company would take young
people in,train them and hope to keep them for a reasonable part of
their working life so they in turn could pass on the skills to the
next generation and whose years of experience could be drawn on even
by management who were younger and still learning the finer points of
a business or product.

A resource is something to be exploited and that's what Human
Resources do. The workforce is regarded as just another form of raw
material. A lot of what has gone wrong with British industry stems
from the era when personnel departments became HR with rapid turnover
of staff and firms now hemorrhaging funds to costly consultants and
recruitment agencies in attempts to acquire the most suitable staff.
Trouble is the firm really needed someone with a knowledge of widget
making to make and develop a new widget and the HR dept hasn't a clue
about widgets so recruits somebody with a degree on Mongolian
agriculture in the 13th century instead. They blag around for a while
****ing everybody off till they go elswhere and the circle starts
again.
Meanwhile the only place the firm can actually get a widget done is in
China so the owners go sod this, might as well move the manufacturing
there.

G.Harman

Summed all that up in err, some detail;!..

All too true sadly...
--
Tony Sayer

In article
..com, Owain scribeth thus
On Nov 3, 12:05*am, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Quite - although IIRC bins were removed from many public places since they
are a good place to hide a bomb.

More to the point is that they are awkward and unpleasant places to
have to check before declaring an area 'all clear'

Railways now use clear bin-bags so the contents can be seen without
emptying.

Owain


So anyone could see its a Bomb..

Course anyone likely to know what one looks like?..

Clue .. it won't have "BOMB" writ large on it...
--
Tony Sayer

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 16:30:53 +0000, tony sayer wrote:

do. The workforce is regarded as just another form of raw material. A
lot of what has gone wrong with British industry stems from the era when
personnel departments became HR with rapid turnover of staff and firms
now hemorrhaging funds to costly consultants and recruitment agencies in
attempts to acquire the most suitable staff. Trouble is the firm really
needed someone with a knowledge of widget making to make and develop a
new widget and the HR dept hasn't a clue about widgets so recruits
somebody with a degree on Mongolian agriculture in the 13th century
instead. They blag around for a while ****ing everybody off till they go
elswhere and the circle starts again.
Meanwhile the only place the firm can actually get a widget done is in
China so the owners go sod this, might as well move the manufacturing
there.

G.Harman

Summed all that up in err, some detail;!..

There's an FE college not all that far from here. Used to be quite good.
The head of HR applied for (and got) the post of Principal. I could say a
lot more about the process but I won't.

They haven't a clue about education; their obsession is with profit and
ticking boxes. The place is now doing badly, and got an awful Ofsted
rating for....administration. Teaching was rated good, but in the face of
that....

--
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http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

On 02/11/2012 17:21 Dave Liquorice wrote:

Who mentioned prisoners? We are talking about those on benefits that
would otherwise be sat home in front of the telly doing SFA.

But, as far as they're concerned, doing SFA is their 'job'. It's what
they 'do'. And we're daft enough to pay them for doing it.

Divide their benefit by the minimum wage to work out how many hours
we're paying them for and then give them that many hours of work to do.

--
F

In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
Tim Watts wrote:

I have mostly trained my 6 yr old that a specific instruction is not to be
ignored.

I do not know what the rest of the parents are doing...

Some years ago I was allocated a youngster on YTS to do clerical
work. She seemed to have been swiftly moved on from other
departments, and I think I was a last resort.

She completely failed to understand that, in her position, she
was generally to do what was asked of her, when and in the manner
instructed. Discussion was fine, but somehow the outcome was
never taken on board. There seemed to be a curious misconception
that I would not notice what was, or was not, happening.

Chris
I had a simple pair of rules
If I ask you to do something I mean do as you're f******* told
If I add Please, I mean do as you're f******* told or your fired.
--
bert

In message , F
writes
On 02/11/2012 17:21 Dave Liquorice wrote:

Who mentioned prisoners? We are talking about those on benefits that
would otherwise be sat home in front of the telly doing SFA.

But, as far as they're concerned, doing SFA is their 'job'. It's what
they 'do'. And we're daft enough to pay them for doing it.

Divide their benefit by the minimum wage to work out how many hours
we're paying them for and then give them that many hours of work to do.

John Prescott to teenage girl on sink estate

"Would you consider yourself working class?"

Teenage girl
"Oh no, I don't work."
--
bert

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Friday, November 2, 2012 4:33:06 PM UTC, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Nov 2, 4:19 pm, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, November 2, 2012 11:58:03 AM UTC, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:05:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:



10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of the makita
or



an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the cordless



battery on charge.



Not very bright, really.



No just a lazy ******* who couldn't be arsed to follow simple



instructions and do a bit of extra work to complete the task
properly.



A lot of times they need to do one days work to get back onto some
list



or other that means they can go back on the dole.



Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits for
more



than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week cleaning
the



streets.



yeah sack the street cleaners.





Why? There are far more streets that they ever clean. There's plenty

of work for benefit claimants. Heck, if they do a good job, pay them

the same as the street cleaners.

Street cleaners don't get free food, lodgings, and transport to and from
their jobs, if they did yeah sure why not pay anyone the same rate of pay
as they do.
But I'm still not convinced that the prison work force is a good idea when
there's so many unimployed.





MBQ



I love seeing them in the States. There's something very satisfying about
seeing a big pink sign on the side of the road saying "Scurvy Crew Ahead"
and then seeing a gang of bright orange-suited convicts up to their armpits
in ****, cleaning out ditches. With a hard-arsed looking shotgun-equipped
official watching over them ...

Arfa

wrote:

Harder for the really workshy to escape as well if they are miles out
of town. Mini bus out ,Mini bus home and if you haven't thought about
packing lunch and a flask then you'll go hungry with no convenience
store to spend on overpriced snack food and expensive fizzy pop or
cheap lager.
Lavatories would have to be provided.

Bill

On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:42:53 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

Harder for the really workshy to escape as well if they are miles out
of town. Mini bus out ,Mini bus home and if you haven't thought about
packing lunch and a flask then you'll go hungry with no convenience
store to spend on overpriced snack food and expensive fizzy pop or
cheap lager.

Lavatories would have to be provided.

You can get "welfare vans" that have a loo. Some are a bit posh with a
cooking and eating area as well and you probably lose a lot of seating
capacity.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 02/11/2012 10:28, stuart noble wrote:

I was watching a Wetherspoons waitress yesterday (yeah, sad I know) and
it was staggering the amount of work she was getting through. Still she
had time to smile at all the old farts and generally look like she was a
happy bunny. I need hardly add that she was of East European origin.

Of course she was smiling. If she's careful, she can save in a year
enough to buy a house back home.

F wrote:
On 02/11/2012 17:21 Dave Liquorice wrote:

Who mentioned prisoners? We are talking about those on benefits that
would otherwise be sat home in front of the telly doing SFA.

But, as far as they're concerned, doing SFA is their 'job'. It's what
they 'do'. And we're daft enough to pay them for doing it.

Divide their benefit by the minimum wage to work out how many hours
we're paying them for and then give them that many hours of work to
do.

That would be more than a 40 hour week for some people.

--
Adam

Arfa Daily wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Friday, November 2, 2012 4:33:06 PM UTC, Man at B&Q wrote:
On Nov 2, 4:19 pm, whisky-dave wrote:

On Friday, November 2, 2012 11:58:03 AM UTC, Dave Liquorice
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:05:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



10 minutes later when I got back there was no sign of
the makita or



an extention lead and the pillock was just putting the
cordless



battery on charge.



Not very bright, really.



No just a lazy ******* who couldn't be arsed to follow simple



instructions and do a bit of extra work to complete the task
properly.



A lot of times they need to do one days work to get back
onto some list



or other that means they can go back on the dole.



Roll on the time that to get the dole or other basic benifits
for more



than a few months you have to spend at least 20hrs a week
cleaning the



streets.



yeah sack the street cleaners.





Why? There are far more streets that they ever clean. There's
plenty of work for benefit claimants. Heck, if they do a good job, pay
them the same as the street cleaners.

Street cleaners don't get free food, lodgings, and transport to and
from their jobs, if they did yeah sure why not pay anyone the same
rate of pay as they do.
But I'm still not convinced that the prison work force is a good
idea when there's so many unimployed.





MBQ



I love seeing them in the States. There's something very satisfying
about seeing a big pink sign on the side of the road saying "Scurvy
Crew Ahead" and then seeing a gang of bright orange-suited convicts
up to their armpits in ****, cleaning out ditches. With a hard-arsed
looking shotgun-equipped official watching over them ...

We have the over here (well not the guns) but they wear orange.

--
Adam

Owain wrote:
On Nov 4, 6:14 pm, "ARW" wrote:
Divide their benefit by the minimum wage to work out how many
hours we're paying them for and then give them that many hours of
work to do.
That would be more than a 40 hour week for some people.

40 hrs a week is part time

+1

--
Adam

On 04/11/2012 12:24, GB wrote:
On 02/11/2012 10:28, stuart noble wrote:

I was watching a Wetherspoons waitress yesterday (yeah, sad I know) and
it was staggering the amount of work she was getting through. Still she
had time to smile at all the old farts and generally look like she was a
happy bunny. I need hardly add that she was of East European origin.

Of course she was smiling. If she's careful, she can save in a year
enough to buy a house back home.

Or she could be looking for a husband with a UK passport...

.... or she could just like being in a bar with a load of blokes.

Andy

Andy Champ wrote:
On 04/11/2012 12:24, GB wrote:
On 02/11/2012 10:28, stuart noble wrote:

I was watching a Wetherspoons waitress yesterday (yeah, sad I
know) and it was staggering the amount of work she was getting
through. Still she had time to smile at all the old farts and
generally look like she was a happy bunny. I need hardly add that
she was of East European origin.

Of course she was smiling. If she's careful, she can save in a year
enough to buy a house back home.

Or she could be looking for a husband with a UK passport...

Name that country?

The cheap East European fanny ATM is from the Ukraine and Balkans.

--
Adam

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 02:31:08 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

I love seeing them in the States. There's something very satisfying about
seeing a big pink sign on the side of the road saying "Scurvy Crew Ahead"
and then seeing a gang of bright orange-suited convicts up to their armpits
in ****, cleaning out ditches. With a hard-arsed looking shotgun-equipped
official watching over them ..

Have you ever noticed how many of them are called "Doc"? I think it's
really nice of the prison to issue personalised jumpsuits.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 02:31:08 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

I love seeing them in the States. There's something very satisfying about
seeing a big pink sign on the side of the road saying "Scurvy Crew Ahead"
and then seeing a gang of bright orange-suited convicts up to their
armpits
in ****, cleaning out ditches. With a hard-arsed looking shotgun-equipped
official watching over them ..

Have you ever noticed how many of them are called "Doc"? I think it's
really nice of the prison to issue personalised jumpsuits.


RATFLMFAO !!! :-))

Arfa

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 18:11:37 -0000, ARW wrote:

The best excuse so far is "I am bidding for a cordless drill on eBay to
help me with work, the auction ends at 11 and I want to make sure I win
and I might have to increase my bid". At 10.45 I gave him his phone and
said "go ahead win the drill - BTW I am going to watch the screen
whilst you bid".

For some reason he then decided that he no longer wanted the drill and
he did not need his phone.

Have these yoofs never had their bluff called before or are they so dumb
that they can't remember?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:52:04 -0000, ARW wrote:

Divide their benefit by the minimum wage to work out how many
hours we're paying them for and then give them that many hours of
work to do.

That would be more than a 40 hour week for some people.

40 hrs a week is part time

+1

Yep, far to common in my sector for people to work 12 hr days 5, or even
6, days/week.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2012-11-05, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:52:04 -0000, ARW wrote:

Divide their benefit by the minimum wage to work out how many
hours we're paying them for and then give them that many hours of
work to do.

That would be more than a 40 hour week for some people.

40 hrs a week is part time

+1

Yep, far to common in my sector for people to work 12 hr days 5, or
even 6, days/week.

I don't do that **** any more. I'm too old, cynical and bolshie to be on
call, work weekends, or as I did in 1997, '98, '99, 2000 and 2001, work
over Christmas. I've done my share, let some other poor sod have
McDonalds for Xmas lunch.

Dave and me work in TV production. You either work the hours 'they' want
or not at all.

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*I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe*

Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 18:11:37 -0000, ARW wrote:

The best excuse so far is "I am bidding for a cordless drill on
eBay to help me with work, the auction ends at 11 and I want to
make sure I win and I might have to increase my bid". At 10.45 I
gave him his phone and said "go ahead win the drill - BTW I am
going to watch the screen whilst you bid".

For some reason he then decided that he no longer wanted the drill
and he did not need his phone.

Have these yoofs never had their bluff called before or are they so
dumb that they can't remember?

Dumb IMHO.

They can also blatantly lie.

When some damage occured to the rear of one of the vans an electricican got
the blame. However I knew that it was an apprentice that had caused the
damage. He swore blind that it was not him when the electrician confronted
him - and what a mistake he made when he raised his first to the
electrician. One punch and the apprentice was out cold.

And the one that swore blind he had not been smoking in the van stuck to his
story until we gave him the fixed penalty charge for thowing the tab end
out of the van window.And guess what - if you pay it early it is half price,
if you do not pay it at all you get a summons. He decided to get a summons
and will be up in court soon.

It's still better than the decorators apprentice who went through a 14 year
olds knicker drawer and then told her what he had done via facebook.

It's not all youngsters though. I took my late friends son with me on
Saturday to give me a hand. The owner of the house was so impressed with him
that he invited him back the next day to do some work for him. Every so
often you drop on a youngster that shines and you look after them.

--
Adam

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 20:52:04 -0000, ARW wrote:

Divide their benefit by the minimum wage to work out how many
hours we're paying them for and then give them that many
hours of work to do.

That would be more than a 40 hour week for some people.

40 hrs a week is part time

+1

Yep, far to common in my sector for people to work 12 hr days 5, or
even 6, days/week.

I probably work 60 hours a week and that does not include the typical weekly
travel time of aound 10 hours.

And today I have taken my first day off due to illness in about 8 years.

--
Adam

ARW wrote:

The best excuse so far is "I am bidding for a cordless drill on eBay to help
me with work, the auction ends at 11 and I want to make sure I win and I
might have to increase my bid". At 10.45 I gave him his phone

15 minutes before the end of the auction is *far* too early for a snipe
bid ...

Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote:

The best excuse so far is "I am bidding for a cordless drill on
eBay to help me with work, the auction ends at 11 and I want to
make sure I win and I might have to increase my bid". At 10.45 I
gave him his phone

15 minutes before the end of the auction is *far* too early for a
snipe bid ...

I know. But I wanted him to sweat for 15 minutes. He had the phone in his
hands and he could not use it because I was watching the screen.

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Adam

In article ,
Huge wrote:
Dave and me work in TV production.

I thought you were retired?

Yup - but still do the odd day.

You either work the hours 'they' want
or not at all.

To which that applies.

I was doing Trading Floor support in the City. You either do computing
stuff "out of hours" or not at all. And the only times that were
available to do major (multi-day) upgrades or moves & changes are the
long Bank Holiday weekends.

But I'm actually not only too old, cynical and bolshie to be on call,
work weekends and all that crap, I'm too senior, too. So some other poor
sod who needs the money gets to do it instead.

I didn't mind the hours. Having my time off when others were working had
its advantages.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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